Oddly it was the moment I facepalmed so hard I got brain damage. Seems they're basing the game very much off what Veerhoven tried to do with the movie, rather than the books. I could understand the Federation using civil enlistees as miners on a hostile world, but this really makes it sound like they're either tricking or straight-up drafting civilians into this work, which really, _really_ isn't how the Federation does things!

@@Archris17 the Federation sounds great in principle, and appealing to the largely civil-minded majority, but lets be honest here, when has a ruling military elite (full Citizens in this case) in history not rapidly become authoritative and exclusionary in order to maintain their power.

@@brilobox2 the federation is portrayed as a fascist and imperialistic state in the book. The film does not really makes justice to the message of the author. There is an episode of proocedings (us naval institute podcast) about the film, the book and the contradictions a about military service in a democracy and a militarist state. Check it out!

​@@Archris17 Of course they're basing the game on the IP the target audience would actually recognise.

I had to stop and think if I'd heard something like that in Helldivers and then my brain just started yelling "RELOADING!" and "How about a cup of liber-tea!?" and I had to lie down.

They prefer the Shogun 2 way of climbing the damn walls.

NOT THE A S S L A D D E R S

god i hate the ladders. c'mon cairnwraths you are ghosts. just float up the walls.

Small family company please understand.

and THIS julius is why we romans DONT FIGHT DEFENSIVE! thats the greeks thing....now..GET THE CATAPULTS! BURN THEM ALL ALLIVE!

It's actually not the first RTS style SST game, Starship Troopers: Terran Ascendancy came out in like 2000. It was more of a squad based tactics game.

Wat's funny about this is that the StarCraft Marines are somewhat book accurate in their capabilities.

Same. I love sending the infantry into the meat grinder that is this game

does the game have klendathu drop soundtrack, I didnt hear it yet?

@@KermitTheArchitect I didn’t either, I don’t think it’s been added yet

@@SomeGamer1111 Super Heresy.

@@SomeGamer1111 Arcording to their discord, they want to use the ost too its just that since those are from film so license problem. Their exact quote.... "Alas license rights are a complicated thing. All the aspects (sound, music, video, actors, ...) involve different parties (and costs)." "I'm not really educated on all this myself. But I believe there can even be issues for content creators when licenced music is in the game they play. For music we ended up choosing to write our own because we wanted a dynamic music system during the gameplay."

Eh?

Now that you say that I can see it

As far as I heard, some people on the army side asked HK to make it "more starship troopers" style. lol

@@MrBurnthepigs that is litterly what the guys from the U.S. said to HK

wow

Desire to know more intensifies!

Mandalore actually found AvP RTS, but it is some console exclusive, so yeah.

That kind already exists with alien vs predator extinction kzfaq.info/get/bejne/haqlo8hq0qu6Zmw.html

Yeah old school xbox game you can play free on pc with emulators

Dark horse comics have been around for alot longer than just since 2019. Alot of us have explored the lore quite thoroughly

Honestly? I'd play the crap out of an alien RTS, but you will require at least one game mode with xenomorphs in it. But aside from that, hell yeah, gimme a decent 80s space war!

I hear the intro of the roughnecks series.

The Arma 3 star ship troopers mod was a bit buggy.

@@Andrewza1 I mean, Arma3 itself is quite buggy, the bugs were made as vehicles with odd shapes that mostly are averse to common firearms

I love the movie as one of my favorites but you really should read the book, the movie is misunderstood political satire that ended up ironically being loved when the point was to make it a dystopian military dictatorship with pretty makeup

You do realize that the movies and books are different and beside if the guy who made the movie made it the same as the book, he will either be sue by the Author for copying his work and making money out of it or the Author fans will be the one suing him for no reason at all 😑

@@matthewyang5752 Then explain Harry Potter or Lord of the rings, you do know what a license is right? No the reason the movie is so different from the book is because the director mistakenly thought the book was fascist propaganda and his vision was to ridicule it with satire by making it like a military dictatorship but with a cast like that Beverly hills (buncha digits) with perfect looking actors and over the top propaganda vibes, ironically most people unironically liked the setting and were generally positive to what was supposed to be satire ridiculing it. Verhoeven obviously did not understand the book and obviously failed in his studies on history and politics, the book has nothing to do with fascism authoritarian/Police States in any way, it is a coming of age story which is set in the authors futurist twist on old greek City state democracy with a dash of his own ideas.

@@INSANESUICIDE what you said make sense in the near future if we go to space and go to other solar systems and planets, we will either a militaristic dictatorship or will be a Republic (though I'm less seeing us been Republic, because of the leaders are either trying to out due the previous leader, the leader is a puppet for the party he/she is on, or is arguing with another leader from a different nation for no reason and blaming them.) You do realize there a difference in democracy in a verity of degrees and will suffer from infighting if there are different democracy groups that are constantly at each other necks or have different opinions of democracy from each other until something comes along and threatened the entire world/race and both sides/parties decided to have a cease fire with each other and force all their attention on their new enemy.

@@INSANESUICIDE the movie is supposed to be seen as one living in that society would see a war movie in theaters. Turned out okay considering pretty much the premise comes true years later with the dozens of navy seal movies pertaining to the generational spanning war on terror.

FEAR ME, BUT FOLLOW!

Kinda don't like that it is based off the movie rather than the books version of combat. But I kinda understand that you can't easily build maps where you have guys throwing around tactical nukes as their power armor has them make movements in 2 mile jetpack-aided long jumps, with squads of 10 having each member separated by at least a mile.

@@ee822 back in 1999 Starship troopers terran ascendancy came out, sorta rpg style meaning as the campaign progressed your squad would gain experience and rank, unlocking power suits and battle armor with jets etc, you also got to throw round tactical nukes. it was sorta a mix of the film and the book, you couldn't stay too far apart eg you needed covering fire as the bugs attack the isolated team mate so you had to bait them out. wish they would remake it lol

It seem strange to watch those Bugs swarm down a street or dirt road. They can't climb the the rocky hills around you?

@@jiado6893 Speed's the concern I guess, but maybe the brainbug's busy and- with the frankly hilariously small number of bugs [yes, small numbered] There isn't oversight here. Compared to, THE DROP THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY. /guessing

Undoubtedly one of the best RTTs I’ve ever played

@@pyroflame04 damn shame it died so fast

@@vaelophisnyx9873 WiC 2 when

@@vaelophisnyx9873 the amount of fantastic gameplay and story build up

Nah we are not on the brink of ruin in Starship Troopers Our efforts to expand are just being shit on by fucking bugs(who I still refuse to believe wasn't Heinlein shitting on the chinese)

@@victorkreig6089 I understand that, however I was trying to convey the sheer optimism that just radiates from it.

@@victorkreig6089 The overarching theme of starship troopers is about individualism vs collectivism and Heinlein hated comunism with a passion lol Also, the bugs started the war because they didn't understand free will and that the mormons colonised their lands against the wishes of the Terran federation and so believed the colonised for the federation.

Yessss

We got five months to see how the game develops this is a demo and it was amazing

Starcraft???

It has some bugs and they can definitely work on it but I mean it’s a demo it’s not being released for another five months it’s good now think of how good it will be then

I wish we got an ending to the roughnecks series. Then again, it left a door for a future that realistically will never really be but one can hope.

Roughnecks was bloody fantastic. It is a damn shame how it ended.

Wait, wtf? Why do you have the emblem of the Twilight Caste Solar from Exalted as your profile pick?

@@Ryanowning Because I play Exalted and I've been in a long campaign since about 2015 where I played as a Twilight Caste. I like the Twilight Caste, they are my favorite out of all the types of Solars (with Dawn caste being a close second). I focus on Healing, Archery, and Magic. (I actually managed to climb Mount Meru and become one of the most powerful magic users in Creation, gonna be so happy to kick the Ebon Dragon's ass, or at least ruin his plans to destroy all things).

I'd rather not. Everyone in the industry are retarded marxists or ignorant liberals who think the federation are nazis I don't need to see Heinlein's legacy shit on by people literally incapable of understanding his work. Rather it be dead

@@victorkreig6089 1)movie and book aren't the same; 2)I wonder if you're suddenly start calling Heinlein a commie or will you just break if you read Moon Is A Harsh Mistress? Or feudal primitivist if you read Orphans of the Universe? So far I see only one person here making an assumptions about political views of an author. Very ironic ones:D 3)before commenting on the book, read it. Read the specifics of oath Rico takes on following and giving orders to humans and only giving orders to aliens. Or how you need to have served full duty as both pilot and marine to be voted into political office and there are no women among marines so you can guess the outcome here(technically there are also assault engineers, but there is no clear statement if that counts as tour of a grunt). Then there is a constant dialogue about foreigners(despite Rico and his father themselves being a pseudo "twist" on nationality for american readers of the time). 4)nobody ever mentioned nazis. Fascism on the other hand... Until that, have a nice day.

@@TheArklyte Youve just proved the man's point

@@scifimisc9191 A man that fanboys over the weakest Heinlein's book just because he heard that it has power armor in it and have never read it, can't have a point. But it's nice to see that you're supporting each other. Now if only you could learn to read books and comments of other people fully...

@@TheArklyte kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obygjNmHlbWbpX0.html

Okay I know this is a joke, but the IG were part of DoW2 since the retribution stand-alone.

Imp Guard Sentinels are OP in DOW2 lol.

You have your Y-racks (semi-auto grenade launcher over each shoulder), rocket launcher with all sorts of chemical and nuclear warheads, hand flamer, heavy flamer (more like a plasma weapon, with a short-range "beam" mode to match), about a dozen grenade variants, and a bunch of other weapons that are only hinted at. I want to play the RTS where something like the Morita is specifically called "obsolete", just like it is in the book.

@@Thomas-fz9xw I was always hoping to see a game like _Warhammer 40K: Space Marine_ but you have the jump pack all the time and are much more mobile. Hell, it might be more fun as an FPS, I dunno. I just want an MI capsule trooper game where you play as one of them rather than a commander.

and hell personally I find the movie more realistic least it doesn't have officers beat and abuse there troops as doctrine

@@rustyshackleford1508 that's training and in the movie no one cares about brawls there just expected meanwhile in the books people are alot more "normal" and the officers have to be assholes and federation is in reality the truckers guild cause there the only ones who get citizenship again I like the movie cause it uses less words to make a mess with and is fairly consistent medics good so breaking a trainees arm is no big deal he won't care come lunch

@@marley7868 Are you drunk? Because i am and i wouldnt butcher a paragraph like that.

Rusty Shackleford didn't it also heavily influence the Halo franchise too, I remember hearing about that somewhere.

Rusty Shackleford so is it like, for lack of a better analogy on my part, the phylogenetic ancestor for a bunch of modern science fiction media? Kind of like how Tolkien's lord of the rings inspired a ton of modern fantasy media and tropes. I've never read the book and I've only seen the movie when I was a child. Seems like an interesting read.

Yeah that game was huge fun when I played it on PS4. Another thing close to actual Starship Troopers shooter (except the 2005 fps game of the same name) is for me EDF 4.1

even though the game is almost 7 years old now its still has a pretty active community

@@dwldjon FREEDOOOOM !

​@@CliffuckingBooth How 'bout a nice cup of LIBER-TEA???

There’s also a Trademark and Nividea register for a 2nd game

Plenty for Tesla trucks laying around the map ^-^

This was a demo from trailers and other videos I think they have them but not in demo

Didn't you know? In the grim darkness of the fascist future, there are no tanks, only men with guns

@@Paveway-chan Leman Russ disagrees

@@Paveway-chan Imagine riding an APC on a planet literally littered with bug tunnels. Especially since the bugs can make sand traps anywhere. Infinite, reappearing minefields

O dam, what's happening?

@N Fels I mean...what with the whole 'the government is becoming a facist police state' thing going on in Australia rn, I can understand why people would want to keep their guns. Like there are legitimate reasons to want to own a firearm beyond 'hur dur mass murder'. If the government is trying to take your guns, its probably cause they are or will do something you'd want to shoot them for.

@N Fels I was actually talking about the police using force to enforce authoritarian lockdowns. Look at some of the videos, there's one where two riot cops straight up pick a woman up and carry her away. Then another with what looks to be a sea of riot police forcing people out of a park. Now, I am personally pro an armed civilian population (I'm American, that's pretty much a given) and I respect that some people don't agree with that. But a police state that is actively trampling on people's God given rights is exactly why an armed populace is needed.

@@shadowofhawk55 except they're violating quarantine, and increasing infection rates so we go into more quarantine lockdown, of which they will violate and still increase infection rates and yadda yadda. Quarantine exists for a reason. Retards that think having restrictions is too much of a price to pay makes the situation worse for the rest of us that DO obey quarantine.

@@devranyilmaz9806 Cool. Doesn't give the police the right to utilize the force they are using. Now, I am not anti Blue. I'm anti big government using the police to enact authoritarian policies like papers to determine if you can go places and violence against those who refuse to stay locked in their homes.

Yeah, it honestly made me kinda sad, as either the devs are deliberately setting this in the world Paul Veerhoven tried to make with the movie, or they just had no idea that the movie and books had nothing in common with one another and totally mis-represented the Federation...

@@Archris17 pretty much 80% of people who ever touch Starship Troopers are mentally incapable of understanding Starship Troopers

@@Archris17 given how the mobile infantry is not in Power armour I would say its Paul Veerhovens world

I liked it a lot too. I loved the Paul version more than the book version. It is more realistic.

@@Padtedesco I think it isnt more realistic, but more politically acurate, they are authoritarian imperialists, there is no greyish area that is defensible in any form, the book is moved by the Red Scare, while the movie is actively AGAINST this Red Scare

To me the worst RTS trope is the commando stealth missions. Stealth segments in games not designed for stealth is an atrocity.

Sometimes you just can't justify a mission to be dragged out for 3 hours as you sit in base to mine out and fully upgrade when the story of the mission is "Everyone is dying pls send help!" Timers, if used properly are meant to reinforce the stakes of the story. Being able to not play the game and nothing punishes you for it can be an irreparable immersion breaker even if you don't think you care that much about it. Not to mention that there are a host of different timers used in games, soft timers and hard timers. The miner mission in the video using the miners as a soft timer where they drop regularly and after X amount of losses, the game is over. There is a max and minimum time you can complete or fail that mission, it just doesn't show in a counter on the side. But in reality, that mission sure does have a timer to it, the first time Rimmy lost was because he didn't play to the speed the mission requires you to play, he ran out of time. You could change the mechanic to be a timer on the side that said "Clear all mines by this time" and it wouldn't change that much, you'd still get a defeat screen when the timer runs out, you'd just be more aware of the speed you need to play at.

@@starcraft2own Or they could just develop better mechanics. Ramp up bug spawns to unsustainable levels, for instance. Have it to where you can choose when to bring the miners it, at the expense of increased bug activity if you take too long. Far superior to "time limit reached game over."

@@Agora2021 Ramping up bug presence is also a soft time limit though, depending on your skill, you won't be able to finish the mission after X amount of time due to the difficulty curve passing your skill level. And the time of your defeat would be pretty much the same unless you drastically changed your playingstyle. Which is the exact same outcome of having a timer on the side telling you when you lose. But i don't actually disagree with you, personally i play every game i touch on the highest difficulty. But i don't think it's a good idea for games to be inherently difficult, especially with artificial difficulty like a hard timer that just kicks you back to the menu because you aren't as good as the devs want you to be. So i'm right there with you hoping that they won't add artificial difficulty to the mission because they couldn't figure out engaging mechanics.

Verhoven used IP name to make an antiwar movie during Desert Storm propaganda craze. He literary wouldn't have gotten funds and support otherwise. This universe is a movie one and has nothing to do with the book. Have you noticed any bug soldiers armed with thermal sights, comms and particle accelerators? Maybe you have noticed "stick boys" aka second race that allied to bugs over Federation in that war? I haven't seen either in this game. Don't mention book if you haven't read it just because you're a fan of power armors and read a few sentences on wiki or tvtropes. Thanks.

Why are you sperging out over nothing? I already said this game is based on the movies and not the novel

@@backchat7126 sorry, just got into an argument over "actually it doesn't properly represent the book" in parallel chain. Plus I'm tired so maybe I misread what you've meant. Sorry, again.

honestly the biggest issue with that is just how wildly unstable Generals is; it's a miracle to get a full match complete, more so with mods, without a random fatal error occuring.

@@vaelophisnyx9873 I keep an old windows 7 laptop specifically for generals. Zero issues. Windows 10 is just awful for older games.

It isn't over powered, there just comes a point where technological might is impossible to defeat, especially when you can't into tech to fight against it because bugs are dumb

@@victorkreig6089 bugs aren't dumb,I'm sure they have evolved forms adapted in response to humans using tactical nukes to fill in for the average frag grenade...

@@victorkreig6089 They weren't in the novel. They were explicitly using fairly good tactics, its just that they calculated the lives of individual drones as being fairly low valued and were perfectly willing to spend them like ammunition.

@@zzurge1173 their evolution doesn't work like that lol

@@KahavaveCAPIPI yes, they were. They are hive insects with no individuality except at the highest of levels, no art, no complexity, no math, no real creation of everything. They are not sophisticated, they are redundant and run entirely on instinct, they are stupid

probably based on the movie which to my knowledge is very different to the books although since this is a demo might see more in the full game to flesh the bugs out.

@@keylon-rg2wh It's going off entirely from the movie, but, there will be a lot more Bugs to flesh it out. Things like Tankers and Royals to really scare the shit out of you.

On the bounce, Trooper!

Same

^ yeeep

Even beyond the philosophy (which saddens me, seeing so many people butcher Heinlein's work in the comments), just the different weaponry would make an amazing RTS. Imagine Marauder infantry squads with flamers and pocket nukes, fighting bugs with actual weapons and hive tactics? I feel like this current game could have been about the Anglo-Zulu War instead, and the gameplay wouldn't be much different.

@@Thomas-fz9xw agreed, the MI are such a cool concept and seeing them reduced to just a bunch of grunts in bulletproof vests is just… disappointing

this. I can't see this as starship troopers

I loved more the movie than the book. : /

there's a reason for that; the book is fascist wank material, where the movies were (or started as) political satire of fascism. The entire thing is set up as basically Space Nazi Germany with a coat of Freedom paint. The MI in the book are absolutely presented too good, and the ones in the movies are probably closer to how it'd've been.

@@vaelophisnyx9873 The book is objectively not fascist and if you genuinely believe that then you didn't read it. You may have held it in front of your eyes for a few hours, but you clearly didn't read the damn thing. Alternatively, you don't actually know what fascism entails. One of those two. Possibly both.

@@vaelophisnyx9873 How was the book fascist? Which fascist idea did it espouse?

I was thinking the same thing. 6 Terran vs 2 Zerg. 3 vs 1 style. Oh hell yeah.

You're goddam right it is! I remember doing sprinting drills in mission 2 to make sure my new sergeant wasn't a slowpoke... humping it on the maps was hard enough, but a 31 speed start made it just a little more bearable.

also i missed the demo try outs :(

Tonight at 6. Public execution

No you idiot they were literally volunteers, the ones that weren't were working under contract and their company gave them new postings

@@victorkreig6089 you evidentiary don't know how that universe works Saying they are volunteers is just propaganda

@@USSEnterprise6126 In the movie universe maybe. The book universe is better, and like how Kreig described it.

@@boomerkobold3943 well this game is definitely based more on the movies then the book

They have actual suits, not just a flak vest and helmet

More like power armour with lots of weaponry including tactical nukes

I still have a visceral hatred for Paul Verhoeven, because of this movie. No understanding of the source material (because he did not read it). It would be like adapting Handmaid's Tale as a movie about how uppity women destroy the good and proper christian civilization with their hysteria.

Fairly certain he has but I'm not 100% sure.

I think he's done some video on it 3 years ago

the only good bug is a dead bug, anyone who wants to be a bug should get blasted into the sun

Kinda funny how far right dweebs never understand the media they like. i guess thats the only way to even maintain that sort of world view.

@@XMysticHerox T. ProBug

@@XMysticHerox such is the way of hatred and disgust at anything Different; just refuse introspection and refuse to *learn* from other people and things. smoothbrained, the lot of them

@@vaelophisnyx9873 Says a Twitter creatura.

@@XMysticHerox Ok Commie.

We have five months and yea they definitely based this off the movie and I thought about the target priority too they are taking suggestions and feedback tho so if they act on it in the next five months it shuld be a good game

ugh fuck projectiles from Shogun 2 and onwards. YES I'm including Shogun 2.