American Dobies are impressive… until you see the European standard.

I wish you had partnered with Chinese-speaking individuals who could've helped you with the research for the red dog. I enjoy your thorough breakdowns of each animal you interact with, which made the lack of information you had on the red dog a little bit frustrating. These dogs, as you said, were developed at the same time- so they should have comparable lines of history to pull from that are probably more accessible in the east. It would've been cool for you to have worked with other experts who were able to tell you about the Shandong hound's history to have it be incorporated in the video as well. I hope I get to see you interact with more international breeds in the future!

Don't forget that the dogs you saw from Ragga were puppies. Mercy was only a year old and Chong 10 months. They are likely more on point now.

Great video, Anneka, thanks for all the hard work you do and great information!

A mix of these two dogs would be amazing

I loved this comparison. Can you do more breed battles. Neo Mastiff vs English Mastiff vs French Mastiff would be awesome. Also Boerboel vs Bullmastiff vs Rottweiler.....etc.

I love MY DOBIE she’s the BEST dog I ever had!!💜

Growing up our dog was part Doberman (the father), and part German Shephard (the mother). She was built like a Doberman and had the coloring of a Doberman and she was VERY protective of us. Her name was Pepper.

I think one of the most endearing traits of the Doberman is it’s Velcro tendencies.

Very interesting. I never heard of the Red Dog. Very beautiful, as is the Doberman.

As far as what was noticed observing the red dog being hesitant, I think that reflects more on the trainer. I would think that in the UK, there are less experienced trainers training red dogs that Dobermans. I say that because red dogs are relatively new to the UK and there must be longer established trainers training Dobermans. Of course I could be wrong but you would have to observe a variety of training centres to draw a better conclusion. I think that you were unfair to compare these dogs now because the red dog is so new and you made so many assumptions. If many if your assumptions were wrong then the result could be different. I do love Dobermans, but am anxious to encounter some red dogs, from what you said about their friendly demeanour. Thanks for another informative video.

In Germany the Dobermann is just called the Dobermann, in America it is called the Doberman Pinscher. Dobermann's are simply fabulous dogs! Some of the health issues you mentioned are very specific to only some (few) Dobes. DCM is very much the worst problem and does sadly affect many Dobes, but hip dysplasia is not very common (talking about European dogs). Personally I have never seen a Dobe with demodicosis (breeding and showing and training Dobes for 30 years), it is true that blue Dobes (not accdepted in Germany/Europe and other FCI countries) can have severe skin and hair problems, but that is caused by skin dilution alopecia which is related to coat colour. Nor have I ever heard of a Dobe with gastric torsion. I have heard of Dobes with osteosarcoma, but not commonly. von Willebrand disease is a genetic disease which can be completely controlled by breeding only vWD free or carrier dogs to each other. Wobblers has also become more uncommon that it used to be. This is not to say that no Dobes have health problems, but if you get your Dobe from an ethical (registered) breeder you can avoid many of these issues. In Germany for example, it has been the case that in order to breed both parents must pass a ZTP (fit for breeding test), this is a specific character (including bite work) and conformation test and includes HD scores. In recent years certain health criteria have been added to the ZTP - vWD status and DCM status. Only dogs who pass this test and have the 'correct' health criteria are 'allowed' to be bred. Not all countries have this requirement, but all serious ethical breeders test their dogs for at least HD, vWD and DCM. DCM is tested annualy.

Imagine if they start breeding dobermanns in to the red dog. Also, crossbreeds (which is basically what the red dog is) are usually healthier, so it's possible they can live 15 yrs.

I would love to meet a Chinese Red Dog some day. I've never been a fan of Dobermans. My most favorite dog is the Rottweiler.

Amazing and interesting video Anneka. Thank you very much for sharing 👏👏👏👏😍🔥

As the owner of a CRD who has been genetically tested I’m afraid I need to correct this. No Dane in her and also no Dane in others I have spoken to so the Dane breed seems to have been made up or very very distant in the breed. Also tested clear of all hereditary illnesses. Think that might have changed to score somewhat !

Red dog all the way,had mine a year now and he’s took over my life.They have a lethal tail .

I think you may have been a little bit hard on the Great Dane there as the GD's I've known have been totally in tune with their people and very obedient. I've only personally known 5 dobermans and unfortunately everyone of them was lacking training...kept more as status dogs. Very sad really. Such gorgeous sleek creatures that are like racehorses! The chinese red dog also extremely beautiful in my opinion...a more endearing face. He should gain a few points for good looks! 😍

For family Dobermans. Dobermans are incredibly dogs. And is a good dog. Good family dog.

Amazing

Great video mis

Doberman dogs 😍

Nice information

I grew up near the area where the Laizhou Hong is named after but never knew this breed. China actually has many dog breeds of its own but not recognized or well preserved. Due to strict restrictions and lack of animal protection laws, many breeds have lost throughout the years. I particular like the yellow spitz like ones Chinese farmers keep, they look quite similar to many other spitz breeds such as Finnish Spitz, and they are loyal, healthy and low maintenance, they don't require much but they offer everything should the owners need. Back in the day every farmer had one chained up in their yard and they barked like crazy when strangers came. They eat leftovers and sleep in their cages outside.

Hmmm very hard choice, don’t know much about the Chinese dog 😔 but I can tell you dobermans are one of a kind. Was my second choice to cane corso . Cane corso face is too majestic

I have a 6 month rotterman from German standard Rottweiler and Doberman has been the best dog I've ever had to date

Ooooo wowwww!!!! Impressive , superb mam👍👍👍👏👏👏. They r pack of power 🔥🔥😍....my dad had Doberman in his young time

Interns of health the Chinese red dog seems to be a healthier dog I believe it’s awesome much taller than the Dobermen when I can tell but in terms of speed the Doberman cannot run this dog

Very honest view. This is also my first time to know Chinese LanZhou Red Dog exists. Thank you for your video.

Owned so many dog breeds and the best and one I will forever have is the Giant Schnauzer. Own own and you will never own another breed. Cheers~

They are both beautiful, but the Doberman takes it 👍

I've had many dogs in my day but my daughter bought me a doberman European when I got sick I'm I'm 59 and I have never seen such a breed that is so beautiful in my life well trained easy to train loving and can be very vicious and a drop of a hat they trained fantastically and they're very very good medical dog I must say I love her to death I will never own another kind of breed in my life besides the The doberman is the perfect most perfect dog I've ever seen I would give my life for them she's given her life for me many a time a great family dog I don't think I will own the American breed but I will own a European again

I cropped My European Doberman's ears and left his tail long he looks amazing

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As I said in the other post, I have 2 Dobes and they are the best dog I have ever shared my life with. Both of mine have a mix of American and Euro gene pool in them. Your assessment on them was spot on.. Now having said that, based on this review I would be willing to give the Chinese Red Dog a try. But they would have to share me alongside with any Doberman that I would have because that's one breed I will never give up. That was a very enjoyable video. Thank you

Nice looking dogs

Beautiful Doberman and Chinese laizhou dog …? Thanks for posting.( RCL vétérans)🇺🇸🇨🇦🇫🇷🇬🇧

I'm a cat person but I love to be able to afford either breed for Security. I hadn't heard of the Red dog but I've always liked Dobermans. They're beautiful, strong, smart, loyal and loving. Health reasons are why I don't believe I would ever get a pure breed of any type of animal.

Both of them were bred almost using the DNA of the same dog breeds to form these hybrids

Good

Dogs are amazing. I have a Little girl named Prinny. She's a Chihuahua. She's an ESA. She's the best and I wouldn't trade her for any other dog. She is extremely brave as well. I love that. She even breast fed our kitty that came to us not fully weaned so she became my dogs best friend. My cat's name is Cupcake but I mostly call her everything from Cat fax to Mouthy.

Wow

I'd like to see a mix of European doberman with the Chinese red dog now that would be interesting 🤔

Dobermann dogs! 👍🍀🐾🍀❤😊

can you please make a video of the hungarian Mudi ? They are beautiful, athletic and very smart dogs, hardly anybody knows about. I rescued one from Hungary myself

I have had both American and European Doberman. My most skittish dobie was a male European Doberman. Its 95% how you raise and train them. You have clearly never had a Doberman. They can be INCREDIBLY stubborn!!!! I am not being smug I am being real😂😂 I absolutely adore the breed but they have a stubborn streak.

The Chinese dog looks more like a German shepherd with doberman markings. Amazing video. I had never seen one of those before

The thing about most of these health issues, is that they are concentrated in breeds due to the way that they're bred and the shrinking gene pools. The CRD (as an unregistered breed) should still have a healthy gene pool, which means that it will have very few genetic health issues and the lifespan of 15 years is actually very likely to be accurate. Dogs lifespans have consistently been decreasing across all pure breeds for years because of the shrinking gene pools. The more Diversity, the longer the lifespan. Add to that the fact that 60%+ of Dobermans have DCM, and that that number is only increasing with every generation, the CRD should have been a clear winner for health. The state that Dobermans are in, the only way to save them is to outcross to suitable breeds, backbreed to Dobermans and continue to breed the offspring selecting for the Doberman traits with care taken to keep the genetic diversity up. But as it is unlikely that anyone is going to do that, the Doberman is doomed to go extinct. As a side note, I personally know a Leonberger breeder who is very careful to keep her pairings as unrelated as possible, whose dogs regularly make it to 14 years. For giant pure breed dogs that's really good, especially considering the average lifespan of a Leonberger is 8-9 years. Almost all of her dogs reach 12 at least. So don't be so quick to doubt that the CRD can make it to 15.

Dobermans are my breed. But really like the crd. So much like a dobie. ❤️❤️❤️

I have to say, i love them both. Gorgeous! But i am German so, dobbie ❤️

I would love to have a red dog for the rarity. But I prefer my sarplaninac though.

3:52 - They're actually a pretty nice looking...striking. Never heard of this breed before. I'm convinced tho it's just a Doberman crossed with that native Chinese dog...but hey I could be wrong.

Check out Junior Chin of Genesis Kennel. He has amazing Chinese Red Dogs.

Go Anneka

The DOBERMANN PINSCHER has some great PR in Horror movies past 4-5 decades, classics like Omen, Resident Evil.

Correct me if I'm wrong but It seems the Red Dog also has a tendency to Drool more than the Doberman. Anyone agree or disagree?

Turkey, trabzon region has a very interesting rare and pure breed called zerdeva. You may want to look into that. Not a large breed.

We are learning more all the time. I'm getting my CRD puppy from Genesis Kennels in December. The ones that have been getting Embark'd have been coming up around 55% GSD. It's questionable whether there is actually ANY Great Dane. It hasn't shown up in any profiles I've seen. Chinese Dogs in the mix include the Kunming, Japanese wolf green dog, and Guangxi Hound. These are showing up abroad. They are not in Embark's database. Jindo is showing up in Embark's database in lieu of Guangxi Hound. The two breeds are closely related. Eventually, Embark will have enough of them in their database that they have their own unique genetic markers.

It would probably have been better to delay this comparison for a few years. Half of the Laizhou Hong's "data" was guesswork, the other half missing. Also, no size and weight comparison.

Bit of an animal watching Anneka

Только доберманы! Только классика!

Two totally different breeds... only thing they have similar is their coloring.

Living in China I have met afew red dogs, and to be honest they have a great dane like temperment. Generally a little slower moving and not as alert as a doberman.

They look very similar

I have a strong wish getting watch and guard dog but I never owned a dog before and have a cat

Make video on Spanish mastiff 🐕 please

Another example of a Chinese knock-off, lol. Just kidding. Actually, according to the video, the Chinese Red Dogs Dogs were initially bred by German soldiers in China. Does that make them Chinese or European? Considering that the vast majority of breeds used for the Red Dog are European dogs anyway, they really seem to be more of a Euroepan breed than Chinese. Obviously, there are several different breeds mixed together to make the beautiful Chinese Red Dog/Laizhou Hong but looking at the dogs in the video, they almost look like Doberman mixed equally with GSD. The ears are GSD all the way and the muzzle looks GSD as well. The coloring shows the Doberman and similar breed colors, like the Rottweiler, etc.. They really do look like a perfectly mixed GSD and Doberman but they seem to be lacking a little bit of trainability in this small sample size. Well, the Doberman is one of the smartest dog breeds in the world, along with the GSD and Rotti. If there is a little too much Great Dane or other large dog with a bit of independent streak or a little less intelligence, it would need to bred out because a serious protection dog cannot hesitate when it comes to commands. I wonder how hard the Laizhou Hong is to house train when a puppy and how many reps it takes to teach them basic commands.?.? They have great ears, they probably would look great with a docked tail. If they have the brains and can become highly trained, they seem like they could be a very interesting dog breed. There is always so much to learn with any new potentially recognized breed. How are they with children overall? How long do they really live? What are their usual health issues? How is their prey drive, since the dogs in the video needed prodding to take a bite, that's not a great sign for a possible working/protection dog. They definitely are interesting but I'd like to see the time and energy be put into fixing the American Doberman and working out the health concerns for all Dobermans.

I have European, American are snappy could bit kids for that reason. My European Doberman is so confident. Knows what type of energy level he needs to play with kids

My guess is that mixing different breeds increases the life expectancy.

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I've seen several Doberman here in California, and American Doberman's are as big or bigger than the European variety you show here. One of the more popular dog channels here on KZfaq features a Doberman named Prince and he is almost as big as a Cane Corso.

dobie for life.

The red dog is very healthy. Need more breeders in the USA

Kindly put kangal vs great dane plz add size too

I love both breeds. I found your research on the Laizhou Hong unfair though.

My heart beats for the hungarian mudi and the icelandic sheepdog.

Why doesn’t anyone talk about dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) in the Doberman. that’s what made me decide against getting one. 60% of Dobermans will develop DCM it’s basically heart failure and it can happen at ages of 6 to 8 very rarely now will a Doberman make it to 10 or 13 some even die at 1 other breeds that have this are boxers. Great Dane. cocker spaniel and Irish wolfhounds it is an extremely sad disease and there is very little you can do to stop it😔

You cool

Never seen a skittish or nervous American doberman. I only like the European doberman for better working body shape.

YOU NEED TO GO TO CHINA AND MEET THE RED DOGS IN CHINA i wanna know more about those dogs. I'm moving out of my mums in like a yr or so, into my own house, easily will be big enough for a dobe which i was thinking about getting, but I actually like the look of the lankier red dogs lol

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How much do the Chinese reds normally cost?

Prefiro o doberman a qualquer outro

I love doberman we have two and they are like our babies sleep together in bed

Não gostei da respectiva comparação, tendo-se em vista que importantíssimas características foram, inexplicavelmente, desconsideradas, tais como: altura, peso, inteligência, agilidade, força de mordida, resistência, estamina e comportamento em matilha. Creio que, se tivessem sido levadas em conta, tais características comprovariam a superioridade do cão vermelho chinês, não obstante todo o respeito e admiração que o doberman merece. 😊

Outstanding would like to Chinese red dog. But be expensive . We’re can o get one in U S A

You should see the Chinook dogs a sled dog from New Hampshire USA

We understood you prefer doberman, in general. Not too fair comparison.

Does the Chinese red dog have cropped ears or do the stand straight up on their own?

The Doberman punches well above its weight. Stronger and faster than other dogs of its size and even much bigger. Same with the bite force. They are much better with ears and tails. The big floppy ears act like radars. Mine is a master mole catcher among hunting much more. He's a killing machine. He thinks, sees, tastes and smells in binary 🤣... The tail allows for much better (natural) agility, balance and muscle structure at the rear. Fact!

European dobbie is the best. Chinese Red dog is also good dog

The red dog has bigger jaws. If the teeth sets also larger and with more muscular jaws this dog has stronger bite force

Caneas Panthers vs to the Doberman

Compare the Chinese Red dog to the canis Panther??

mix them and call it a win!

I've had a doberman. One of the best dogs I've ever had. Certainly no match for the Caucasian shepherd though

Doberman. End of discussion.

Chinese red dog looks beautiful

Great dogs, I'm sure. German Shepards rule!!!

Yeah the European dobies much bigger nicer looking than the American sorry to say