Doctor Who: The Giggle Review (Ups & Downs)

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6 ай бұрын

The Fourteenth Doctor’s reign ends, but this is far from a simple regeneration story. Here’s our review of Doctor Who’s final 60th anniversary special - The Giggle!
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@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 6 ай бұрын
More videos breaking down The Giggle are now live! Easter eggs and references: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iN98nNuVnqjGgHk.html Spoiler discussion: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ar6efq6fla2mYWw.html
@Unbreakable1986
@Unbreakable1986 6 ай бұрын
I think people are missing the main take away here: when the Bi-generation happened 14's clothing was divided between them and 15 got the underwear, so 14 spent that entire time commando
@sabrinatirabassi3529
@sabrinatirabassi3529 6 ай бұрын
Barefeet commando...
@sabrinatirabassi3529
@sabrinatirabassi3529 6 ай бұрын
Oh, by the way, did this mean that the 14th Doctor was wearing no pants?
@tom-0ton408
@tom-0ton408 6 ай бұрын
Yeah its a phrase that means wearing trousers but no underpants
@kenthomas505
@kenthomas505 6 ай бұрын
Well, now we know the Doctor does wear underwear underneath their clothes, never thought I'd actually see them though. 😅
@KevFrost
@KevFrost 6 ай бұрын
Ah, thats why Tennant was barefoot
@SuperYouFox
@SuperYouFox 6 ай бұрын
For me, it wasn't the mention of River Song that buckled my knees... It was them finally acknowledging that Sarah Jane is gone.
@fourkneeyay
@fourkneeyay 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely gutted me.
@doswelk
@doswelk 6 ай бұрын
Just reading your post has done it again... We miss you Sarah Jane :(
@tracyroweauthor
@tracyroweauthor 6 ай бұрын
yes that got me too!
@crazyal8565
@crazyal8565 6 ай бұрын
Our Sarah Jane, that reference alone brought tears to these eyes
@AnotherScifiGuy
@AnotherScifiGuy 6 ай бұрын
Yeah that was the one moment that made me go sad face. Really got to me.
@themasterofterriblecgi5498
@themasterofterriblecgi5498 6 ай бұрын
I think Wilf shooting moles at the end isn't a reference to the Wombles, but to the fact that, one time when RTD tried to call Bernard Cribbins on the phone, Bernard's wife Jill replied that he couldn't speak at the moment as he was shooting moles. It's a bit of an obscure reference, but it can be found in the obituary to Bernard Cribbins in Doctor Who Magazine issue 581.
@irrevenant3
@irrevenant3 6 ай бұрын
That makes sense. It seemed a surprising fit for Wilf.
@MalfunctionNeo
@MalfunctionNeo 6 ай бұрын
From 1966 and Tom Campbell in Dalek Invasion Earth, to 2023 and Wilfred Mott, Bernard Cribins deserves his eternal recognition in Dr Who history.
@RealKirb
@RealKirb 6 ай бұрын
R.I.P 🫡
@petemarqdadon
@petemarqdadon 6 ай бұрын
dang he died in real life 😕
@tshelby5212
@tshelby5212 6 ай бұрын
@@petemarqdadonyes you just realised that did ya
@gavinwarren9705
@gavinwarren9705 6 ай бұрын
@@tshelby5212No need to be mean man, we all find things out at different times
@edcollins9377
@edcollins9377 6 ай бұрын
It seems like Wilf just barely made the cut! I'm glad he was able to check in one last time before he left us! RIP Mr Cribins!
@christophermurphy7417
@christophermurphy7417 6 ай бұрын
When the doctor said you have my permission to me that sounds like he's using his authority as president of earth
@jupamoers
@jupamoers 6 ай бұрын
I think he was. Only that Kate wasn't using that title anymore, just the authority
@whatspoppingproductions
@whatspoppingproductions 6 ай бұрын
Agreed
@biggy4427
@biggy4427 6 ай бұрын
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@TheRoboRyan
@TheRoboRyan 6 ай бұрын
​@@jupamoers why would they need to, it's already been fully established
@ivymoon5084
@ivymoon5084 6 ай бұрын
I think it was mirroring it but I think it's mostly Kates respect for the doctor as the highest authority on earth
@darthvolcaniz503
@darthvolcaniz503 6 ай бұрын
I particularly enjoyed the implication kate and Donna's employment negation made: if you've traveled with the doctor, unit will pay you WHATEVER your price.
@tshelby5212
@tshelby5212 6 ай бұрын
Negotiation not negation
@vanessabrannan4059
@vanessabrannan4059 6 ай бұрын
And it calls back to the Star Beast where she's unemployed and actually needs a job.
@Lumibear.
@Lumibear. 6 ай бұрын
Well, maybe not everyone who’d travelled with The Doctor, like say, Turlough?
@highlorddarkstar
@highlorddarkstar 6 ай бұрын
UNIT respects The Doctor’s judgement. If he picked you to travel with him, and you survived, you’re worth hiring. Now, they’re limited by those who are on Earth in the 21st century, and some of those might be independent operators like Graham and Ryan.
@cheetarah9199
@cheetarah9199 6 ай бұрын
Makes me wonder where that silly arse from season 1 with the thing in his forehead, is now..... Can't remember his name, oh, Adam, thats the chappy
@kinocrone7275
@kinocrone7275 6 ай бұрын
This episode had a horror element, a sci fi element, a history element, a cosmic wonder element, an interpersonal familial element. This episode had everything Dr Who has been known for
@JacktheRah
@JacktheRah 6 ай бұрын
It even had poor story resolution which Doctor Who is also known for. Building up great mystery boxes and not being able to solve them. 😄
@notsogreatcourier9536
@notsogreatcourier9536 6 ай бұрын
@@JacktheRah i wish i could disagree. up until the ending the episode was great. also if we dont get more of the toymaker now ill be really sad
@sleepy0
@sleepy0 6 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@JacktheRahwould you elaborate?
@sprinklefanz
@sprinklefanz 6 ай бұрын
At 29:03 I think there IS logic to the tooth being left behind. The Doctors' prize was to banish the Toymaker from existence. The tooth isn't the Toymaker himself; it's The Master, so by the rules it stays behind while the Toymaker disappears :)
@kaylyn9923
@kaylyn9923 6 ай бұрын
Oh that's brilliant
@JacktheRah
@JacktheRah 6 ай бұрын
Though by that logic any clothes would also have been left over. Eh it's not really strictly logical but it doesn't have to be.
@sprinklefanz
@sprinklefanz 6 ай бұрын
@@JacktheRah I don't agree tbh. The clothes were just how the Toymaker presented himself. He wasn't "wearing clothes" as much as he was appearing to have clothes on. They were just representations of how he wanted to appear, rather than clothes he found and put on. The tooth was somewhat different in that, though the Toymaker also wore the gold tooth, it was itself its own being (being the master) and wouldn't vanish if it's just the Toymaker himself being banished. That's my interpretation of the logic anyway. Hopefully it makes sense!
@ryansg9
@ryansg9 6 ай бұрын
I don't mind the bigeneration. I instantly assumed the 14th would become "The Curator". The 50th special introduced him and was stated he was the doctor who retired, and now the 60th showed his origin. To me, The Doctor wouldn't willing retire knowing there were people out there that needed help, but now with the bigeneration 14th can retire and become The Curator and live a "peaceful" (for The Doctor) life, and the 15th Doctor can continue saving the universe.
@theangrygamer1008
@theangrygamer1008 6 ай бұрын
I like that😊
@markrankin1094
@markrankin1094 6 ай бұрын
Except , there's no way any incarnation of The Doctor would 'sit this one out'. Next universe ending threat, they're going to want to be in it.
@Phoenix2312
@Phoenix2312 6 ай бұрын
"I instantly assumed the 14th would become "The Curator"." - BLOW ME... I NEVER CONSIDERED THAT! I am not sure how I feel about the Bi-geneartion... I like how people have theorised how and why it happened... I will get used to it... Though I will say it was an amazing introduction for Nchuti... I dont know the actors previous work, and with Doctor Who - I try to view it on that initial feel when they appear as The Doctor... and HE SOLD ME RIGHT AWAY! He is going to make a GREAT DOCTOR!
@TheRoboRyan
@TheRoboRyan 6 ай бұрын
​@@markrankin1094 except if they knew that there was an incarnation already dealing with it (aka 15+)
@Genideb
@Genideb 6 ай бұрын
I thought that 14th will become The Valeyard. Yes, now he is happy, but remember the curse of the time lord. Imagine that all your friends are dying. It could drive you mad. But also appreciate your theory
@likecat7886
@likecat7886 6 ай бұрын
My favorite moment is after the card game at the ,,stage". Doctor: DONNA! Donna: I'm already running! Just peak Doctor Who I love it.
@ivymoon5084
@ivymoon5084 6 ай бұрын
I LOVED how her facial expression was just conveying the mundane routine of running away
@likecat7886
@likecat7886 6 ай бұрын
@@ivymoon5084 She was just knew what to do, no questions asked.
@AndrewJamison79
@AndrewJamison79 6 ай бұрын
Makes me wonder she shows some signs of retaining fragments of the Doctor's memories, can she recall bigger things from his past like strategies and what not maybe that's why she appears to not get scared easily in this.
@andrealee8561
@andrealee8561 6 ай бұрын
I loved that too
@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 6 ай бұрын
Also we got a “DONNAAAAAAAAA”!
@Evanz111
@Evanz111 6 ай бұрын
I liked how it paid off Tennant’s seemingly bitter frustration in his first regeneration. He wasn’t ready to go, and wanted to do so much more. This time he was ready to let go and move on, but kinda poetically: he was allowed to have his happy ending after saving the world.
@edcollins9377
@edcollins9377 6 ай бұрын
You forgot one .... the partial regeneration that led to the creation of a double, who got to live happily with Rose Tyler for the rest of his life while Dr #10 soldiered on saving the universe for another season!
@madmanmark8387
@madmanmark8387 6 ай бұрын
​@edcollins9377, that's true. Unfortunately we don't know what's going on in that universe on screen at least. I don't know if they use it in books or other forms of storytelling.
@edcollins9377
@edcollins9377 6 ай бұрын
@@madmanmark8387 Exactly, I'm glad to see that you remember that episode, also.
@madmanmark8387
@madmanmark8387 6 ай бұрын
@edcollins9377 it was a weird episode to see a half human doctor. I suppose David is the 21st century equivalent to Tom's doctor of the 20th century fan favorite. I grew up watching Tom's 4th doctor incarnation on what used to be called WOR tv channel 9 in NYC, and then PBS stations aired him as well and the other doctors.
@ronaldnelson6692
@ronaldnelson6692 6 ай бұрын
@@edcollins9377 With the bi generation, that means 10 and 14 had vanity issues since they both went through a partial regeneration but didn't change. Lol.
@ashleybyrne4699
@ashleybyrne4699 6 ай бұрын
The “best two of three” really takes a double meaning with the two doctors beating the toy maker!
@hamzahnaushad5114
@hamzahnaushad5114 6 ай бұрын
A sly, cunning, evil force. From the underuniverse. Winning or losing. A villain the doctor has alas come across after ages. Ages. And. It loses. A game. Of catch....
@rajabuta
@rajabuta 6 ай бұрын
​@@hamzahnaushad5114 were you expecting him to cheat? At least he didn't lose in the high low game
@DWboy14
@DWboy14 6 ай бұрын
​@hamzahnaushad5114 they explained the only rule he sticks to is no cheating
@stephaniemartin3403
@stephaniemartin3403 6 ай бұрын
Also, how lovely that Donna's story comes full circle. Following on from her advice to the Doctor at the end of The Runaway Bride ("Sometimes you need somebody to stop you."), she's the person who gets him to stop running and build a 'found family' on Earth.
@lavendargooms2056
@lavendargooms2056 6 ай бұрын
and she invites him for christmas dinner that first time and he doesn't come to him being at the table on just a random summer day clearly at home...ugh, so lovely
@tomsautocadstudio6446
@tomsautocadstudio6446 6 ай бұрын
all that's missing is for luke clyde and rani to show up at the end.@@lavendargooms2056
@sambromley7616
@sambromley7616 6 ай бұрын
I really thought this line was going to crop back up! "I think you need someone to stop you. To tell you when you've done enough." now has such a BEAUTIFUL double meaning and I can't believe they didn't directly reference it, but I think I'm glad they didn't??
@thejaysusnetwork6102
@thejaysusnetwork6102 6 ай бұрын
14's final words were essentially "I've never been so happy in my whole life" and not "Allons-y" and it truly made me cry.
@ChadeGB
@ChadeGB 6 ай бұрын
This was the best episode in a long long time, Neil Patrick Harris was just outstanding in his role and it felt like everyone else upped their game accordingly. Ncuti Gatwa also did a great job, I felt like he just slipped straight into the role, here's hoping he gets some great stories and writing that he can make the most of.
@Fredkitchens
@Fredkitchens 6 ай бұрын
hopefully he'll put trousers on and stop calling all the men honey
@IceMetalPunk
@IceMetalPunk 6 ай бұрын
@@Fredkitchens The trousers, sure, but why should he stop calling people "honey"? Why does that bother you so much, honey?
@ChadeGB
@ChadeGB 6 ай бұрын
He's a bit camp, but that doesn't bother me, met plenty of people like that irl and some of them were excellent human beings.
@torafuliar3928
@torafuliar3928 6 ай бұрын
I just realized on a rewatch of the giggle the significance of the 14th Doctor not wearing the running shoes after the Bi-generation signifying his end to running. I love the level of detail put into this show.
@biggy4427
@biggy4427 6 ай бұрын
23:08 If you listen closely, you can hear the soldiers hit the ground with a *thud* when he says “Still falling.” I was watching this with my best friend and he had his subtitles on and there is an actual thud. I also slightly heard it too.
@riddersjc
@riddersjc 6 ай бұрын
Did anyone else laugh at that? Also the very Rick and Morty-esque death of the soldiers that turned into screaming balls, with the Doctor immediately saying "they're dead I'm so sorry"
@VJacquette
@VJacquette 6 ай бұрын
I heard it. I was surprised nobody else had mentioned it in any of the videos I've seen about the show, so I'm glad you noticed!
@biggy4427
@biggy4427 6 ай бұрын
@@VJacquette It took my second watch to realize it
@michaelsoftbinbows
@michaelsoftbinbows 6 ай бұрын
I think that with Ncuti saying something about “the Toymakers energy still lingering” means that rather than it being linked to regeneration it was more that 14s prize was for him to go back to his dimension, and 15s prize was to duplicate the TARDIS.
@xfer43
@xfer43 6 ай бұрын
That’s one hundred!
@Mrcool210
@Mrcool210 6 ай бұрын
15s prize was to get his TARDIS from the future. Davies said himself that it's the same TARDIS but from the future.
@db5094
@db5094 6 ай бұрын
I just saw it as meaning that the laws of reality are still weak because of the toymakers presence, letting ncuti do whatever he did
@michaelsoftbinbows
@michaelsoftbinbows 6 ай бұрын
@@Mrcool210 oh OK lol, I had no idea I don't really look at the social media stuff or trailers, just watch the show a d listen to the dramas
@HCProds1
@HCProds1 6 ай бұрын
you dont need to think that, that is literally what happened
@CharlotteSunshine94
@CharlotteSunshine94 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for touching on the absolute bs we ambulatory (we use that word vs "full time" users- "confined" is generally outdated) wheelchair users get from ignorant people. Shirley is a great character, definitely deserved her 'up'! Also love Kate and the scene between them was well done :)
@gideonkimbrel7181
@gideonkimbrel7181 6 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, why is she in a wheelchair
@CharlotteSunshine94
@CharlotteSunshine94 6 ай бұрын
@@gideonkimbrel7181 Sean says in the video she uses a wheelchair as she has spina bifida
@gideonkimbrel7181
@gideonkimbrel7181 6 ай бұрын
@@CharlotteSunshine94 thanks, for the info
@cheetarah9199
@cheetarah9199 6 ай бұрын
rtd's inclusionary vision can be a tad overt sometimes, not that I object for the most part (except that 'one' line in the meeps ep), but I think his use of Shirley is great. Not just a capable woman in a wheelchair - which would have been easy, but with nuance The fact Rose is trans is story relevant too - although sometimes someone is allowed to be trans, and it just be who they are, would be nice, nothing further required, see Good Omens 2 to be honest, rtds inclusionary vision is less on the nose that Chibnalls. I loved Jodie, but his writing lacked any nuance, so was hard to applaud
@coleenocasturme
@coleenocasturme 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely! I loved how RTD wrote Ruth Madely's character in Years and Years - I felt like it was the first time I had seen an authentic representation of a disabled person. And that line of Giggle-fied Kate accusing her of faking - absolutely true-to-life. I reckon Shirley brushed it off so easily afterwards because - like us - she hears it all the time.
@Apolloshot
@Apolloshot 6 ай бұрын
I love the idea that bi-regeneration was a myth, meaning that Tennant’s salt at the end of the universe also made the myth come into being.
@Coryod1909
@Coryod1909 6 ай бұрын
a myth that had never been mentioned in the past. Bi regeneration was just terrible writing. Most of the special was terribly written apart from the second one.
@williamward1619
@williamward1619 6 ай бұрын
@@Coryod1909 In what situation would that myth EVER have been mentioned though?
@Coryod1909
@Coryod1909 6 ай бұрын
@@williamward1619 I dont know, perhaps any of the situations that occurred in the past 60 years worth of discussing regeneration, or how the doctor fears regeneration or how the doctors companions fear his regeneration, or when any of the villains whose aims are to kill the doctor discuss the possibility of him regenerating. Plenty of oppurtunity. Im not blaming Russel T Davies, im blaming the primary school aged children who are shadow writing for him.
@SuperCrazyfin
@SuperCrazyfin 6 ай бұрын
@@williamward1619 Meta-Crisis would've been a time I feel it would've come up.
@williamward1619
@williamward1619 6 ай бұрын
@@Coryod1909 Why would it be relevant in any of those situations? He's dying and says to his companions "Oh btw there's a chance i'll split into two people, it's never happened before but it's a timelord myth so there's a chance right?". As SuperCrazyfin said, it would be right that it came up when the meta crisis happened I think that would of been appropriate so i'll take back my point on that anyway. Still though even in that situation, the doctor didn't really have the opportunity to talk about how that happened, he asked Donna what happened and Donna answered for him.
@DakonsMadhouse
@DakonsMadhouse 6 ай бұрын
There's a brief line where Ncuti tells Tennant that he's whole and healthy because Tennant took the time to get whole and healthy. Time Lords doing therapy out of order. Makes me think that when Tennant dies, his regeneration will pull him out of spacetime and drop him in his past, back at the 60th anniversary, to the moment Ncuti appeared. Its not that there are 2 Doctors now...technically as a time traveler all his incarnations are around at all times, its that the regeneration happened out of order. Personally I like this.
@ltkelltrainer
@ltkelltrainer 6 ай бұрын
I agree, I'm surprised they didn't say it in the Ups and downs, maybe it'll be in one of the other videos this week
@duckypresents
@duckypresents 6 ай бұрын
This is perhaps the best explanation I've seen to date... But now it needs to be done. I forever feel with RTD the fan theories or head canon are way better. So to avoid this any spin off would need to have this pay off perhaps?
@kineticnoetic
@kineticnoetic 6 ай бұрын
i was thinking he'll regenerate into his older faces, one of them being the "curator" from the 50th anniversary.
@MsMumei
@MsMumei 6 ай бұрын
i half missed that line but remember it now my brain must have tagged it:) thanks:) that makes perfect sense - awesome xxx
@DakonsMadhouse
@DakonsMadhouse 6 ай бұрын
@@duckypresents ya I'm hoping if Tennant is a recurring guest star or, god forbid, a regular cast member in a UNIT spinoff, that eventually he decides to quit/leave the show and they regenerate him then and go full circle. Hoping. We'll see what they do I guess.
@lycos94
@lycos94 6 ай бұрын
i really liked how 15 was just like ''you can rest now, i will look after the universe for you, i got this''
@janus1958
@janus1958 6 ай бұрын
There was a nice little call back in that scene at the end, when the Doctor was telling the story involving the race that communicated with their eyebrows. In Pertwee's first episode (Spearhead from Space), there is a scene where he is examining his new face in a mirror, and remarks how flexible it was and how that could come in handy on their planet.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 6 ай бұрын
Indeed, the residents of the planet Delphon... presumably "Delphonians" :)
@Moviesexplainedbadly
@Moviesexplainedbadly 6 ай бұрын
What a missed opportunity that the final game wasn’t “Guess Who” Would have been such a great way to give homage to all the past companions. The toy maker could have had a field day with this game
@TyNels01
@TyNels01 6 ай бұрын
Could be an interesting premise for if they were to bring the toymaker back (with his Legions comings it’s plausible). Gives Ncuti a chance to be emotional and how he remembers all the companions whilst his new companion will be witness to what the doctors life is like.
@jordanmcculloch1169
@jordanmcculloch1169 6 ай бұрын
@@TyNels01 his legions aren't fellow toymakers etc, they're a pantheon of gods
@TyNels01
@TyNels01 6 ай бұрын
@@jordanmcculloch1169 I thought they were his minions tbh but a pantheon of gods may be cooler to have for story’s going ahead involving different gods/celestials
@tgiacin435
@tgiacin435 6 ай бұрын
@@jordanmcculloch1169I’m just glad they’re acknowledging there are species out there more powerful than the time lords
@j.rileyindependentproductions
@j.rileyindependentproductions 6 ай бұрын
@@tgiacin435 Agreed... but of course, considering the whole "Timeless Child" arc, this could be the set up to imply that The Doctor is one of those "gods/celestials". A way to try to "retcon" The Doctor back into something we already know about partly within already existing canon. In fact, I remember someone somewhere online suggesting years ago that The Doctor could not be a Timelord at all but one of those beings in Timelord form (much like the Toymaker in human form). Since The Doctor is now not a Timelord but something else, well, 🤷...
@jodyw1
@jodyw1 6 ай бұрын
Did people catch the Toymaker saying he made a “jigsaw puzzle” of the Doctor’s life? It was such a throwaway, but I thought that was a wonderful way of explaining all of the inconsistencies in the show, including Ruth and The Timeless Child.
@MrMarioBrown
@MrMarioBrown 6 ай бұрын
This!
@armoghetto
@armoghetto 6 ай бұрын
I caught it, and I love the twist. Toymaker has the power to reshape reality and play with the Doctor’s past. Interesting to think Timeless Child is a manipulation.
@elvwood
@elvwood 6 ай бұрын
It also helps those of us who want to keep the spinoff media stories involving the Toymaker, including the sublime audio _Solitaire..._
@paulwagner688
@paulwagner688 6 ай бұрын
And in that scene when Mel and Donna are holding his hands, You hear the music for "You were fantastic, Rose. Absolutely fantastic. And you know what? So was I"
@kingbushybeard6543
@kingbushybeard6543 6 ай бұрын
I also found it very interesting that the toymaker mentioned there was one person he didn't dare challenge to a game neglecting to elaborate further. I imagine that that too will come back in some fashion.
@13g0man
@13g0man 6 ай бұрын
The Toymaker named it The One Who Waits. That sounds like a being that will send minions to poke and prod throughout the season until the Doctor walks into its plan in the last few episodes.
@wbennin
@wbennin 6 ай бұрын
​@@13g0man I took it to be a reference to the Marvel Loki series. The one who remains. The various franchises have given nods to each other before. Since it was done with Disney, I imagined they were ok with it.
@aliwantizu
@aliwantizu 6 ай бұрын
Interestingly, after "The Split" the Closed Captioning identified Tennant's 14th Doctor as "Tenth Doctor" whenever he spoke while still atop the UNIT building.
@whatspoppingproductions
@whatspoppingproductions 6 ай бұрын
I noticed that immediately. I was wondering if that was intentional or…
@RotalHenricsson
@RotalHenricsson 6 ай бұрын
@@whatspoppingproductions technically they both should be the Fiftheenth Doctor imo. Fourteen still regenerated. Glowy face and everything. He just regenerated into twins. But if we're supposed to take this as Canon and he is the Tenth again MAN this man spreads himself wide. Tenth, Handy, Fourteen, Tenth-Again... you can almost man a Power Rangers Team just with David Tennant-Doctors. Completely if you include the Doctor Donna. (His Daughterwife can be the Green Ranger.)
@sxsanyu
@sxsanyu 6 ай бұрын
@@RotalHenricssoni think it was just miscommunication between the captioners and the writers, they probably didn’t know what to make of david tennant being back let alone the scene itself. it’s confirmed though that he is still the 14th doctor and at the end of his life, he’ll return to that moment as Ncuti
@theblackwidower
@theblackwidower 6 ай бұрын
That really annoyed the shit out of me. Like, the people writing the captions had no idea what show they were doing it for.
@aliwantizu
@aliwantizu 6 ай бұрын
@@theblackwidower lol ikr it threw me off for a moment (or 2) there
@StephenLeGresley
@StephenLeGresley 6 ай бұрын
Sean, Thank you mate. I am physically disabled myself with multiple conditions, all of which are not visable to those around me. And I cannot tell you how often people refuse to believe I am disabled. I've been doing advocacy work for over 15 years lobbying my government for better treatment and assistance for the disabled and it is heart breaking to see how hard people have to struggle to have their conditons recognized. So thank you so much for speaking about it. I loved the episode, I loved NPH as a kind of evil version of Q and I loved Ncuti's intro. Doctor Who has a fresh burst of life in it and I can't wait for Christmas. Great job @WhoCulture!
@sean.ferrick
@sean.ferrick 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for comment Stephen, and lovely to see you here! ❤
@user-oq4sv6qt5w
@user-oq4sv6qt5w 6 ай бұрын
I'm also the victim of multiple invisible disabilities. Well done with all your advocacy. I've finally received government funding for myself and my daughters after many years of advocacy but some people still don't understand how multiple disabilities have a significant impact whether the disabilities can be seen or not.
@user-oq4sv6qt5w
@user-oq4sv6qt5w 6 ай бұрын
​@@sean.ferrick Thanks for all your hard work. Your insights are incredible.
@shshyie
@shshyie 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for lobbying wherever it is you are, as someone with a pretty severe yet frustratingly not visable disability myself, I truly appreciate any and all efforts to help with the poor treatment and lack of assistance found unfortunately everywhere ❤
@Clownboy15
@Clownboy15 6 ай бұрын
My dearly departed fiancée was disabled. We once got accused of using a fake handicap pass because both of us could walk. Oh did my fiancée go all Donna on that woman!🤣 Yeah, she could walk, but not for long distances without assistance. I always let her push the shopping cart so she’d have something to hold onto.
@Chaosgirlskye
@Chaosgirlskye 6 ай бұрын
I'm calling it now, the master will also bigenerate at some point
@munchcat
@munchcat 6 ай бұрын
Really glad that second down wasn't just me. Not only was it to a room full of his friends and allies (supposedly), but there have been so many monologues by the doctor over the years about how much he loves the human race. I think I remember a few monologues that were even able to acknowledge the bad and still rejoice in the good. This just made me wonder why the heck the doctor was even bothering to save humans over and over again if he always held that much bitterness.
@one_smol_duck
@one_smol_duck 6 ай бұрын
It also doesn't make sense for him to frame it as "you humans are all like this" when we have plenty of reason to believe that Time Lords are too.
@champion6995
@champion6995 6 ай бұрын
The first game was a game of brain. The second a game of luck. The third a game of skill. Impressive
@hollybushrailway
@hollybushrailway 6 ай бұрын
A mental game, a mystery game, a skill game (that was also quite physical). Then The Toymaker got an automatic lock in...
@gilgameshofuruk4060
@gilgameshofuruk4060 6 ай бұрын
​@davidstttrains I thought of that. You expressed it far more elegantly than I was going to.
@CourierGray
@CourierGray 6 ай бұрын
.. most impressive
@ivoidwarrantiesuk
@ivoidwarrantiesuk 6 ай бұрын
Shame RTD has lost his skill!
@robr7815
@robr7815 6 ай бұрын
the first episode was a game of sexism. The second a game of weird. The third a complete mess.
@monkeysaru3957
@monkeysaru3957 6 ай бұрын
One thing that people need to understand about RTD is that he's predominately a drama & soap writer; due to this he tends to focus on emotional journeys within Doctor Who stories. This is why you often get the cited complaint of how his stories are "simple" or rely on "contrivances". He tends to be rather loose when it comes to plot threads and story details, but he creates emotional groundwork for everything within a story arch. Bigeneration and everything surrounding it may not have been set up in the story, but it was definitely set up emotionally. If you're looking at purely the story beats you're going to think bigeneration was pulled from a wormhole, but if you've more been following the emotional journey of the 14th Doctor, you really should've seen something like this coming.
@chrisblake4198
@chrisblake4198 6 ай бұрын
I for one am fine with that. The one thing I got tired of last few years was watching the emotional beats get blown past or cut short to serve the overblown plotting. Getting all the emotional moments with just enough time to breathe in this episode left me genuinely happy (and crying). Ncuti's appearance was pure joy from the first moments for me because he was instantly so expressive and emotionally driven. He's the Doctor Uplifted, he literally left behind a lot of his emotional baggage, and was a new man ready to face the universe and help his friends (and literally his own self).
@formy52
@formy52 6 ай бұрын
Why not...both?
@InappropriateFab
@InappropriateFab 6 ай бұрын
One of RTD's most unfortunate contributions to Doctor Who is turning it into a young adult soap opera.
@tshelby5212
@tshelby5212 6 ай бұрын
Arc not arch
@addyvalencia
@addyvalencia 6 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@InappropriateFabOn the contrary, I think the decision to use bigeneration is going to allow for Ncuti’s debut arc to be a lot less emotionally taxing. I’m all for RTD’s decision-making here!
@YouTube
@YouTube 6 ай бұрын
SO excited for the ncuti era!
@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq knows what's up 🙌
@cameronmcgregor2583
@cameronmcgregor2583 6 ай бұрын
Glad someone is
@tom.m.mancini
@tom.m.mancini 6 ай бұрын
KZfaq fr popping out of nowhere 💀
@unihaley2660
@unihaley2660 6 ай бұрын
I think now that this bigeneration happened that one of 2 things could happen 1. Tennant’s doctor could go mad when something tragic happens to the Nobles and his new family and he becomes the Master or 2. Loki could come to the universe and being the God of mischief he makes Tennants doctor to start messing with the new doctor and then we find out that Loki is actually the master in disguise.
@nobbyfirefly57
@nobbyfirefly57 6 ай бұрын
Would be nice if KZfaq added an option to enable dislike counts. Heck, disable it by default if you want. We need basic functionality. Extensions shouldn’t be doing your jobs.
@andrewmorton7482
@andrewmorton7482 6 ай бұрын
I loved that the 15th Doctor hugged the 14th and said "I've got you" and that they are both men. As men we don't do that often enough for each other. If, as you rightly say, there's an element of self-care here here, it's also about expressing care for each other
@christinakohl6111
@christinakohl6111 5 ай бұрын
Yeah i already feel like he might be one of the more affectionate doctors. And maybe even a bit more emotionally open now that 14 has taken time to heal and process
@thejaysusnetwork6102
@thejaysusnetwork6102 6 ай бұрын
The TARDIS splitting into two made sense to me because it was what the Toymaker owed Ncuti and was a result of his lingering powers -- since he won too and deserved a prize.
@Shazam999
@Shazam999 6 ай бұрын
Exactly, he even says it.
@wallacewallaby5782
@wallacewallaby5782 6 ай бұрын
Yep. It was pretty clearly explained in the episode. Not sure how Sean missed that.
@iainmccord
@iainmccord 6 ай бұрын
Future incarnation of the Tardis to go with a future incarnation of the Doctor. The Doctor lies and sometimes he does it to himself.
@thejaysusnetwork6102
@thejaysusnetwork6102 6 ай бұрын
River officially died in an episode that Donna was present for. So, of course The Toymaker wouldn't include her. He's trying to show her what bad fates befell those since her. Basically that his track record regarding his "duty of care" had fallen dramatically since they parted ways. Hence why he probably didn't mention Yaz and Co, though I do think she should have at least gotten a name-drop.
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 6 ай бұрын
Why would the Toymaker ever mention Yaz, Ryan, Graham and Dan? They are stilll alive. It's not that far into the future after Jodie regenerated into David, or is it? Was there an accident killing 13th Doctor's companions? I wonder.
@thejaysusnetwork6102
@thejaysusnetwork6102 6 ай бұрын
I didn't mean mentioned by the Toymaker. Just a name-drop from one of the two Doctors in some way would have been nice. But as you said, it wasn't that long ago and not wholly necessary enough to spoil the episode.@@Croftice1
@a.s.2611
@a.s.2611 6 ай бұрын
The second tardis didnt spawn from regeneration powers, it was the left over magic from the toy makers realm and seeing as two doctors won the game 14th had his prize in banishing the toy maker and 15th prize was to get a new tardis, 15th even explains it in the episode 😅
@BathersonMote
@BathersonMote 6 ай бұрын
I'm thinking that, while it may not happen with every regeneration, bi-regeneration may not be all that uncommon. It would explain Tom Baker as the Curator in the 50th anniversary special, The Day of the Doctor. The whole scene between him and Matt Smith played out as though it were two Doctors having a conversation.
@yippeeyokai5750
@yippeeyokai5750 6 ай бұрын
The Toy Maker was like a cross between The Joker from Batman and Q from Star Trek. Neil Patrick Harris was awesome as The Toy Maker. I absolutely enjoyed this episode.
@SpikeMatthews
@SpikeMatthews 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking he was like Mr Mxyzptlk, the Superman baddie
@AccipiterSmith
@AccipiterSmith 6 ай бұрын
​@@SpikeMatthewsmaybe a chaotic neutral
@glennmartin6492
@glennmartin6492 6 ай бұрын
A really strong performance from NPH.
@Akutenshi1990
@Akutenshi1990 6 ай бұрын
The UNIT segment had me and my Husband going "Oh Gods, THEY LET Q IN!"
@andyb2706
@andyb2706 6 ай бұрын
I think the scene when Kate asks where are my staff and the Toymaker they are still falling is more horrific because if you listen carefully just after the Toymaker says that I'm sure you hear the thud of the bodies hitting the ground. 😮
@nnaproductions
@nnaproductions 6 ай бұрын
Yup, it was horrific.
@ChrisEllorris
@ChrisEllorris 6 ай бұрын
You definitely do, the subtitles confirm a few thuds and glass shattering.
@RONNIE5579
@RONNIE5579 6 ай бұрын
Defeating the toy maker because he didn't catch the ball really annoyed me. Felt like such a throw away
@nickvarga918
@nickvarga918 6 ай бұрын
Another UP would be NPH doing all the sleight of hand himself. He's an incredibly talented guy, and magician, too. The only person with red nail polish seen in the episode (on the UNIT HQ) is Kate Stewart. A down is 15 saying he's older, when he's not. At that moment, they're exactly the same age. This will alter as they go individually on their way through time and space forever.
@fredhasopinions
@fredhasopinions 6 ай бұрын
I think 15 saying he's older what them telling us that the doctor didn't just split into two simultaneous creatures. Instead, 15 is the regeneration after 14, with all the changes that 14 will go through throughout his life ALREADY impacting 15. Without memory, because spoilers. The line "I'm okay because you rested" confirms that imo. He was just moved back in time/back in his own timeline to coincide with the previous regeneration. So yeah, he is actually older
@fredlloyd-ward6141
@fredlloyd-ward6141 6 ай бұрын
If i had a nickel every time david regenerated into himself i would have 2 nickels which is not a lot but its weird it happend twice
@ranjanasharan4051
@ranjanasharan4051 6 ай бұрын
5:14 agreed i would have loved if this was a 2 parter because toymaker almost lost too easily
@Blaster-Rat
@Blaster-Rat 6 ай бұрын
Imagine if they challenged him to a game of Rock Paper Scissors instead of catch. They would've instantly beat him 😂
@db5094
@db5094 6 ай бұрын
Agreed 👍🏻
@melzymoomin888
@melzymoomin888 6 ай бұрын
You would think that The Toymaker being a more powerful villain (one the doctor is more afraid/wary of at least) it would take more than one episode to defeat him, but if he loses the game, he loses the game. How quickly/slowly depends on how the game goes (how the writers decide to do it) and whether it’s by luck or not is irrelevant. So much plot and many episodes dedicated to war with daleks, cybermen, and the Master etc. etc. - but the toymaker just turned the Master into one of his teeth! He can just change/play with reality… I feel like though there were horror aspects (which I appreciated because they were done well) the comedic aspects sometimes overshadowed the threat and what was really going on… humanity gone mad from the giggle, we see people fighting in the street and stuff, but as this is set in the present and it affected everyone (including world leaders) wars could have started and bombs all over the place killing people over those 2 days. The Doctor even mentions the downsides of humanity.
@tracyroweauthor
@tracyroweauthor 6 ай бұрын
Can I just say what a joy Ncuti Gatwa is? I am ALWAYS reticent about the new Doctor, but he won me over the second he took Tennant in his arms and said "I got you." I was like, yes, he's the Doctor. He is someone who just lights up a room. Capaldi will always be my #1 (Smith, to date, is #2) but I am looking forward to what Ncuti will offer us. I'm excited to see where we go from here. BRAVO RTD, you won me back from when I walked away (I thought permanently till now) from the dregs of the Chibnal era!
@ChrissieBear
@ChrissieBear 6 ай бұрын
We actually hear the soldiers hit the ground a few seconds after and the Toymaker glances to the side upon hearing it.
@vojtacermak531
@vojtacermak531 6 ай бұрын
I liked how NPH said "I accept the challenge" - gave me throwback to his role as Barney Stinson.
@lemasander4932
@lemasander4932 6 ай бұрын
Me too. I just was waiting for him to really say „challenge accepted“ 🤣
@Dravakin
@Dravakin 6 ай бұрын
I like the idea that Tennent stays and eventually becomes the museum curator that Matt Smith meets
@sarahclapp505
@sarahclapp505 6 ай бұрын
That would be good.
@_-LK-_
@_-LK-_ 6 ай бұрын
But why would he be Tom Baker's incarnation?
@carolinemcgovern4488
@carolinemcgovern4488 6 ай бұрын
I think it would make sense for this Doc to be more comfortable with reusing faces as he's gotten practice in. @@_-LK-_
@carolinemcgovern4488
@carolinemcgovern4488 6 ай бұрын
Same.
@cappaculla
@cappaculla 6 ай бұрын
Dude, think you need to fix your spell check
@ZephWraen
@ZephWraen 6 ай бұрын
I think something interesting to think about here: One of the major story telling through lines of RTD's first era was the idea that the Doctor will not always be on Earth to protect it. What then? And we saw RTD explore several things based on this idea, like the Master spending a full year taking over the Earth and the Doctor just not even noticing. We also got several spinoff shows based on that idea. This time though, RTD is taking a different approach. The Doctor will always be on Earth now, because there's 2 Doctors, one of which is semi-retired. Also, now we can have the retired Doctor possible go back in time and live out a life as the Curator we saw in the 50th. Since the Curator was wearing an older face, it would make sense that he comes from 14 regenerating again, who's maybe still nostalgic for old faces. I had a really hard time imagining Matt Smith eventually retiring and becoming the Curator, but I can 100% see Tennant now that he's retired doing it instead, especially since you have another Doctor still running around like the madman in the box he is. I like it. It allows us to explore both aspects of the Doctor!
@christinakohl6111
@christinakohl6111 5 ай бұрын
Omg your comment reminded me of the "revisting some old faces but only the favorites" and it makes sense now!! Maybe 10's face was the first favorite and somewhere down the line he becomes the curator with the 4th of another of the favorites. That's a really cool idea!
@JadeAislin
@JadeAislin 6 ай бұрын
what about Nardol? he basically died protecting people from the cybermen. Just because we last saw him still alive and fighting didn't change his fate. yet it was only the girl companions who had bad ends that were mentioned.
@lanapowell
@lanapowell 6 ай бұрын
Arguably, same for Rory. He shared Amy's fate and wasn't mentioned. My only thought was that RTD and therefore the Toymaker stuck with the "official," singular companion. Rory was Amy's plus one. Nardol was River's employee.
@jgkight1
@jgkight1 6 ай бұрын
I thought Nardol survived by leading the people to another level of the ship. He wasn't present when The Doctor fought the Cybermen.
@Chris-bv1bk
@Chris-bv1bk 6 ай бұрын
The "Testimony" version of Nardole claims that Nardole had lived happily ever after and died at the "ripe old age of 728"
@jgkight1
@jgkight1 6 ай бұрын
@@Chris-bv1bk Ok, didn't know that, thanks
@endersquid1132
@endersquid1132 6 ай бұрын
​@@lanapowellEven with that logic he was also 12's assistant when he worked at the uni, while that time wasn't explored much on screen before Bill came into the picture, it could be argued he was canonically a solo companion for awhile
@sarahglover3286
@sarahglover3286 6 ай бұрын
"Oi I'm on your side" deserves its own up!!
@MrTambourineMan.
@MrTambourineMan. 6 ай бұрын
This was an amazing episode. The Celestial Toymaker was a top tier villain. Bravo NPH. The funhouse was proper creepy. The play with the puppets showing the companions all dying was 👌. I know it’s gonna be contreversal but the bi-reneregation is such a fun direction for the show. I was so happy to see this face get to be part of Donna’s family and be totally content at the end. David Tennant’s Doctor was the most human of all The Doctors after all.
@sw-gs
@sw-gs 6 ай бұрын
That is not The Celestial Toymaker but Toymaker. He was never called that.
@mads-Riley-Art
@mads-Riley-Art 6 ай бұрын
​@@sw-gsthey are the same character it's been confirmed, stop being a contrarian
@zacharymayo6328
@zacharymayo6328 6 ай бұрын
​@sw-gs Because it's a mouthful, not because it's a different character. The Doctor offering to take him across the stars and saying how they could be celestial seemed like a pretty obvious nod.
@macshaw6479
@macshaw6479 6 ай бұрын
Seeing as Kate Stewart gave Donna a job and UNIT could that mean Donna could be featured in the rumoured unit spin off show.
@andrewmurray1550
@andrewmurray1550 6 ай бұрын
@@macshaw6479 as long as Donna is not just an office admin temp.....
@gabbodelaparrawrites
@gabbodelaparrawrites 6 ай бұрын
I took me a minute to understand why Ncuti was in his underwear then I saw that Tennant didn't have shoes because they were sharing half the clothes. That was a very subtle touch. And the legs, of course the legs. 😅
@koshnaranek4442
@koshnaranek4442 6 ай бұрын
I liked what the 15th Doctor said about them being Time Lords and doing rehab in the wrong order and that the 15th is OK because the 14th has fixed themselves (or been healed, or something along those lines.) Thus the 15th Doctor can be happy again because of the 14th's rehab life with the Mott-Noble-Temple clan. Through this "retirement" 14 has come to grips with their past and can leave behind the baggage of the Time War, Flux and the billions of lives lost over their many regenerations (some of which they caused).
@Chester_Kitten
@Chester_Kitten 6 ай бұрын
"Despite having 47 extra teeth..." Yeah I'm not unseeing that now. How did I miss that?
@MOSESI
@MOSESI 6 ай бұрын
I like to think that the retired doctor is the one who will eventual regenerate into the Curator "You might revisit a few, but only the favorites" and "Perhaps I was you, or perhaps you were me"
@Asillyfella21
@Asillyfella21 6 ай бұрын
I’m adding an up because when 15 hits the tardis to duplicate it, he immediately apologises to it and that is hilarious.
@CptCrckpot
@CptCrckpot 6 ай бұрын
I loved this episode. The Doctor has seen and felt so much pain and loss, and has himself lost so much, and he's been running from that pain for so long. The Doctor deserves a rest, and deserves happiness, and now he finally gets it. While 14 gets to rest and heal, 15 will be carrying on the job of protecting the universe. I know I've seen complaints about the bi-regeneration, and complaints that Ncuti's 15 didn't get to properly shine by having an episode to himself when he debuted, but I disagree. I think he shined mightily. The impression I got is that when he separated from Tennant's 14, 15 left behind much of that guilt and pain, effectively unburdening the Doctor of much of his trauma, while 14 will go about healing from it all, and get to enjoy life with people he cares about and who care about him. In this way both Doctors get to recover, and live happier lives. If my interpretation is correct, that means the new series of Doctor Who will see a happier, more playful Doctor, which I think is a wonderful new direction for the show. It now makes sense that they are referring to the time of the 15th Doctor as series/season 1 of Doctor who, because we are getting, in effect, a brand new Doctor, in more ways than one. Not just a new face, but a revitalized, renewed Doctor. I cry tears of joy knowing that the Doctor is getting a much deserved rest and reward, while simultaneously going forward as a happier, healthier person. It is truly the best of both worlds for The Doctor, and I look forward to watching the Christmas Special and the new series, as well as whatever spinoffs they produce, especially if that means we get both Donna and 14 together as well as the adventures of 15. But even if we never get to see Donna and 14 again, I'm happy knowing that he is happy, and look forward to the adventures of 15 with bated breath. At least in regards to Doctor Who, we are living on the best of timelines. Now if only the rest of the world would follow suit. Thank you David Tennant and Catherine Tate for your return for these specials, and a hearty welcome to Ncuti Gatwa as the 15th Doctor, and a thank you also to the rest of the cast of The Giggle. Thank you Sean for the Ups & Downs, as well as the rest of the WhoCulture crew who worked on this. Bernard Cribbins, we miss you and love you. Live Long and Prosper, and Allons-y!
@thor6519
@thor6519 6 ай бұрын
Ngl I think this was probably the best of the three. Patrick Harris was amazing. Ncuti Gatwa sold me on the fact that he was the doctor in a matter of minutes
@AstoundingCameron
@AstoundingCameron 6 ай бұрын
Sean, as an ambulatory wheelchair user myself, I massively appreciate your little monologue on how disability isn’t just one thing, from the bottom of my heart thank you for that, and as for Ruth Madeley I cannot wait to see more of her as we both share the same condition being Spina Bifida and as I said an ambulatory user, and I absolutely adore her character she’s just amazing and hopefully with the ramp we’ll see her in the TARDIS quite a lot, but what I’m trying to say is thank you for that small section of the video
@tmbsports3720
@tmbsports3720 6 ай бұрын
NPH played the toymaker the same way he played count Olaf. It worked really well.
@winstonpapstein6871
@winstonpapstein6871 6 ай бұрын
I can't help but feel that, while the "retirement" does feel deserved, they are keeping 14 on standby in case Ncuti doesn't get fully accepted as the new Doctor & so that's why they decided to do the bi-generation instead of a complete regeneration so they can bring him back & put him in the forefront once again. I know David Tennant loves the role & has done a good job as 10, Meta & now 14, but there's also the risk of oversaturation if they keep bringing him back as more "different" iterations of The Doctor.
@christinakohl6111
@christinakohl6111 5 ай бұрын
I don't think they'll bring him back in such a fashion. That would be really rude to ncuti too. People had always something to say about the new doctor since 11 so i don't think they'll start planning for such events. I do however think they have the ability now to bring him back as either 14 or he'll become the curator.
@badalicemusic
@badalicemusic 6 ай бұрын
Finally. FINALLY. We get to see The Doctor forgive and reassure himself as well as giving himself permission to...rest. The sheer weight of increasing emotional burden and pain that The Doctor has been carrying since the Time War, never mind Classic Who's run as well, would (arguably) make it less and less feasible to have the Doctor continue to be a positive and optimistic entity. So thank you RTD, for finding a genuinely beautiful way to allow 14th to set that burden down plus acknowledge that struggle and begin his recovery with his friends. There's an important message here too, in that if we don't look after our own well-being - emotional and/or physical - then we really aren't equipped to properly look after anyone else and may indeed, albeit unintentionally, lead us to even more mistakes, regret, misery and so the burden increases. The other opportunity 14th resolution brings us is fabulous. It makes sense that we now have a burden free 15th Doctor, and gives Ncuti the opportunity to play a Doctor who oozes with fun, charisma, optimism and adventure.
@account1307
@account1307 6 ай бұрын
"would (arguably) make it less and less feasible to have the Doctor continue to be a positive and optimistic entity" Thats true! And we started to see the doctor turn more angry and negative with the 12th doctor and even with 14 there were moments where he seemed very angry
@badalicemusic
@badalicemusic 6 ай бұрын
@@account1307 100%! 13th also struggled with forming meaningful relationships and avoided empathising with her companions. Avoidance like this makes sense as it can be a subconscious aspect of protecting yourself from potential loss or further emotional pain. Huge commendations to RTD for both spotting this emerging pattern and for finding such a relatable (self care) and fascinating way for 14th and 15th to resolve this👏👏👏
@angelasaunders3558
@angelasaunders3558 6 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly 😊
@ruaoneill9050
@ruaoneill9050 6 ай бұрын
I wish I could like the OP and all the thoughtful replies a million times
@addyvalencia
@addyvalencia 6 ай бұрын
This is exactly why I didn’t understand everyone’s worries. The kind of “resolution” we got is going to allow us to enter a new era with Ncuti filled with a special kind of energy and fun. I simply can’t wait!
@kanton4108
@kanton4108 6 ай бұрын
The Toymaker didn't mention Rory because Rory was technically Amy's companion, not the Doctor's. Ryan, Graham, Dan, and Yaz left of their own accord and lived. River Song had her happy ending and sacrificing herself for the 4,022 saved people.
@CtrlOptDel
@CtrlOptDel 6 ай бұрын
The Doctor was Rory’s companion, thank you _very_ much 😏
@oscardawson2502
@oscardawson2502 6 ай бұрын
Also Rory died wayyyyy too many times to be shown
@SgtByrd93
@SgtByrd93 6 ай бұрын
He was just trying to make Donna jealous
@Domihork
@Domihork 6 ай бұрын
I love how Seán was complaining that the Toymaker didn't mention Yaz, Ryan and Graham but he left out Dan :D Also, the Doctor saying "Her consciousness lives on" for me meant a reference to the New New Earth glass people. The Doctor doesn't know about what happened to Bill with Heather and I'm glad that this episode didn't undo this tragedy of the Doctor still thinking that Bill died.
@ivymoon5084
@ivymoon5084 6 ай бұрын
By the same logic used to include Amy, Clara and Bill's "deaths" River totally should have been included. The wife aspect could've helped the emotionality of the situation plus nice for Donna to finally know who she was
@Luke88888
@Luke88888 6 ай бұрын
First time in my life I cried in front of TV at the end of the episode when the Doctor says he has never been as happy as now 😭
@thedoctor1466
@thedoctor1466 6 ай бұрын
There is some people who actually miss it. When the toymaker says the staff are still falling, as soon as he finishes the sentence, you can hear two bodies colliding with the earth below. I managed to hear it because I was hearing headphones and actually turned it back to listen again to make sure I wasn’t hearing something else. I love this episode.
@aleatoriac7356
@aleatoriac7356 6 ай бұрын
This is why I watch Doctor Who. 2 / Troughton said it best, with a friendly gleam in his eye: "That's the exciting thing! There's nobody in the universe can do what we're doing." The secret: "we" is not just the Doctor and companions. It includes us, the fans! We can! We get to go with all the Doctors if we want to. Been enjoying it for 42 years, and it STILL surprises me. It's an insane, incoherent metamyth with a great big wholesome heart and I love it, and can't wait to see what happens next.
@thelastofthetimelords9043
@thelastofthetimelords9043 6 ай бұрын
I loved the name drop of glitz. An the fact that she stayed with glitz for so long.
@MeNoOther
@MeNoOther 6 ай бұрын
If The Master was in The Toymaker's tooth all the time, was the Spy Master really The Toymaker? Missy was begging for life to The Toymaker and lost her game. Then The Toymaker destroyed Galifrey and discovered The Doctor's Backstory of the Timeless Children. Why he said, he took a buzz saw to his history.
@SiiiBee
@SiiiBee 6 ай бұрын
Uuh, I like this theory!
@susanwoodcarver
@susanwoodcarver 6 ай бұрын
I just found your channel recently. But, I feel like I’ve known you forever. I love the way you discuss the doctor. It’s like you’re saying what I’m thinking. I’ll be back to watch all of your videos and I’ll leave a like and comment for every one. Thank you.
@WhitneyAllisonGG
@WhitneyAllisonGG 6 ай бұрын
The fact that they mentioned Adric the first companion to die in Dr Who. Nice nod
@markmerryweather9908
@markmerryweather9908 6 ай бұрын
Someone on Twitter mentioned the leg crossing. I explained to them that I'm a support worker, and several people I support are wheelchair users, and use their legs to maneuver around their residential support home. The character crossing her legs was of no surprise to me, and once I explained this, they were happy to be corrected. Knowledge about these things is a wonderful thing, and I was happy to share. People who are labelled disabled face barriers in society that disables them - physically and by a lack of understanding.
@sean.ferrick
@sean.ferrick 6 ай бұрын
Oh sure there'll be people rocked to their core that she stood up this week. Because disabilities definitely can't look differently on different people how can they!
@mrcritical6751
@mrcritical6751 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I remember I had a friend in college who had a wheelchair but could walk for brief periods of time, it looked weird when he did it and he was clearly uncomfortable but he could still walk. It comes out in different ways
@watsername
@watsername 6 ай бұрын
Most of the time I can walk "fine" even dance run and jump mostly, yet due to fibromyalgia the more I do, the more I suffer later and have needed to use various mobility aids including wheelchairs, between physical and mental fatigue and wanting to give my body a break so I actually can move the next day or so... most wheelchair users are ambulatory to different degrees and I wish more would understand this.
@denniscattell
@denniscattell 6 ай бұрын
No, it wasn't London, it was Bristol. In the centre, in the King Street area if anyone wants to take a look around. DT filmed there in June of last year.
@ShaneOMac135
@ShaneOMac135 6 ай бұрын
I think its more likely the line "were doing therapy in reverse " means 14 will regenerate into 15 after his stay on earth and then get pulled back into this momemt with the toy maker.
@1978rharris
@1978rharris 6 ай бұрын
To see a Doctor regenerate and then to still BE there to see his new self and be happy enough for them both to hug each other like brothers……I LOVED that!!
@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 6 ай бұрын
ALL the Ups for the hugging!
@danwookiee
@danwookiee 6 ай бұрын
Russell repeated himself very quickly, the ending is the same as Journey's End, just swapping Rose for Donna. The way he let see that The Master will return is the same way he used in Last of the Time Lords. I feel like in some season finale 14th and 15th will have to team up to defeat the master and 14th will die saying I'm ready to go or something, repeating the way he closed his first run. The redeeming feature of the episode is the performances, all very good, I think Ncuti will be a very good Doctor.
@SleepyHarryZzz
@SleepyHarryZzz 6 ай бұрын
I mean, it is an anniversary special. I think it's perfectly acceptable - even encouraged - that there are callbacks and thematic rhyming in there
@nickname_donkey4456
@nickname_donkey4456 6 ай бұрын
Meh the master gotta be on some big ass amp cuz there’s no way bro is a bigger threat than toymaker
@danwookiee
@danwookiee 6 ай бұрын
@@SleepyHarryZzz callbacks like 10th saying “I dont wanna go” at the end of the Day of the Doctor, or mention Amy, Bill and Clara are cool, bring old characters like Mel is awesome, but do the same is lazy writing or worst, been out of fresh ideas
@harrynewiss4630
@harrynewiss4630 6 ай бұрын
Well I'm afraid that's been a feature of this trilogy ie Davies just rehashing old ideas and dialing up the woke a bit. Very lazy and disappointing. He can do much better than this but clearly believes he doesn't need to.
@thewiseturtle
@thewiseturtle 6 ай бұрын
I read an article about one of the main reasons Russel came back to Who is to help him heal from the loss of his husband, who was with him during the initial run. So much of the writing is centered around loss and healing from that loss. So we might not be getting RTD's most cutting edge, innovative stuff right now, and that's ok by me. We've long been reminded that 10 and Donna were left in a terrible place, not having enough time to do all the amazing things they wanted to do (or not remembering doing them), and so it makes sense to me that Russel would give the show the space and time (heh) to fix things in that wibbly wobbly way that only Doctor Who can. They can make up arbitrary plot devices whenever they want to, and it's ok. Some twists and explanations are a bit clunkier than others (ahem... Timeless Child), and certainly in 60 years (give or take) there will definitely be lots of repetition, but it's all within the spirit of a show about a rebellious and inexplicably lucky Lord of Time gallivanting around and enjoying the entire universe.
@SortedRays
@SortedRays 6 ай бұрын
For the companions puppet show scene I have to ask what exactly can the Toymaker say about any of the fam? Like the scene is clearly about the Doctor’s feelings of sadness and regret and trauma for these important people in his life that have gone, stripped away from him tragically with only a few bits of comfort for them. Nothing of that magnitude happens to any of the companions of the Chibnall era they just leave and there’s really no trauma to it at all. Like the Toymaker says “then you met Yaz and then you said you had to regenerate on your own so she left” like do you see how they are not comparable at all? And for River the Toymaker is saying all the bad stuff that happened after Donna left she already knew that River died.
@samtoffolo
@samtoffolo 6 ай бұрын
When the Doctor started his little “this has been in humanity all along, the Giggle didn’t create it,” it seemed so weird and unnecessary that I thought they were going to reveal the Doctor was being infected by the Giggle.
@rayzermaniac5218
@rayzermaniac5218 6 ай бұрын
Given how much I love David Tennants Doctor's I felt Ncuti Gatwa would have a hard time winning me over, but would Eventually. But that last 1/3 of the episode. The Bi-generation, the chemistry of David and Ncuti, the game of catch to hammering a new Tardis into existence. It was stupid, it was ridiculous, it was so insanely fan servicy and I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT. I am already sold on Ncuti and also so happy that David's Doctor still exists within the universe. Russel T Davies played a blinder!
@JadeAislin
@JadeAislin 6 ай бұрын
I agree Ncuti nailed it. It takes me a bit before I feel like the new actor is The Doctor. It took over a season for me to see the twelfth as the Doctor. It took Matt Smith an entire episode before I could say he was the doctor. Even David Tennet took a few scenes in his initial appearance as the tenth for me to say, "ok. he's the doctor". But within his first line, Ncuti had me convinced he is the Doctor.
@lorettadeakins152
@lorettadeakins152 6 ай бұрын
Would be great to see them both act together again in future episodes!
@burf90
@burf90 6 ай бұрын
You've already stated everything I was going to say. I *love* that Tennant's doctor gets to live out a leisurely retirement (at least for now), but still has his TARDIS if he starts to feel antsy. What a perfect ending! And I loved Neil Patrick Harris in this episode. I rarely get this type of feel-good satisfaction from an episode of any show, but this one is right near the top of that small collection.
@KirkLinnDeGrassi
@KirkLinnDeGrassi 6 ай бұрын
I don’t... It made me “giggle”
@literacylabyrinth4018
@literacylabyrinth4018 6 ай бұрын
I must admit I enjoyed Gatwas scenes way more than I thought I would. He was fabulous
@ositempest7867
@ositempest7867 6 ай бұрын
I have a theory about what caused the bi-generation. It was the manifestation of the feelings the Doctor had after the flux, the timeless child and after losing so many companies. those emotons literally tore him apart. Maybe that was also the reason why the face from 10 came back. It was the desire to fix at least one bad thing. I mean we had seen before that subconscious thoughts and feelings have an impact on regeneration with the 12th doctor In one scene I thought the doctor was being torn apart like confetti candy. The scene where we see the toymaker with the flashbacks was cool, as was the calback with the person who picks up the tooth with the master. and I'm looking forward to having an excuse to have as much David as we want and hoping for a sitcom family spin off called DoctorNobleTemple
@LukeJarrett1
@LukeJarrett1 6 ай бұрын
Now we can magic away things like the metacrisis situation, the biregeneration won’t even need to be explained
@TheRoboRyan
@TheRoboRyan 6 ай бұрын
Correction, Doctor-Mott-Temple-Noble
@Cats_Gaming
@Cats_Gaming 6 ай бұрын
It could also be because he regenerated so soon after 13 did so he grew another doctor after dying like how he grew a new hand when it was cut off in the christmas invasion
@LiamMonticelli
@LiamMonticelli 6 ай бұрын
"The Family Doctor" Edit: wait, this has legs! Imagine all the madcap hijinks at UNIT that we *don't* get to see. I'd absolutely watch that!
@katrose5179
@katrose5179 6 ай бұрын
My view was that it was the toy marker’s incompatible rules. He said it was “the next doctor” who owed him the third game, but it was Tennant-doctor he agrees to it wirh and says he’ll see for it. The rules require both doctors be there.
@heathercummins1644
@heathercummins1644 6 ай бұрын
The idea of "bi-generation" does explain how Tom Baker's Doctor became the Curator & a much older man. Loved it!
@VideoGameAnimationStudy
@VideoGameAnimationStudy 6 ай бұрын
Oh crap, The Watcher! Of course! They're a sort of 'bi-Doctor' entity which perhaps subtly snuck away after Five went off.
@Mario-du6dj
@Mario-du6dj 6 ай бұрын
No, it doesn't. 14 doesn't have the personality to just sit down and retire. He already traveled with Rose and Mel again. We know 15 can regenerate to curator too. So which one becomes him? Bi generation just opens up to many more questions.
@JoshRazauskas
@JoshRazauskas 6 ай бұрын
As a wheelchair, user with cerebral palsy, the ramp, now being on the tardis, and all the inclusion in all of the specials, just makes my heart so full! I can now truly feel feel like I’m a part of one of my favorite franchises! The new cannon will take some getting used to but I really like what what happened here because I think the idea of all the doctors getting a happy ending instead of a sad one is really brilliant and open the door to make multi doctor stories make a lot more sense, i.e. it fully explains tales of tardis, for example. Neil was just amazing as the toymaker!
@dommitchell4319
@dommitchell4319 6 ай бұрын
It's hard for me to articulate this, but I really liked how much *better* Mel is portrayed here than Ace and Tegan were in Power of the Doctor. Ace and Tegan kinda just felt like they were brought in for nostalgia and not for any other reason, and the acting, writing, and directing was very low effort, whereas Mel actually felt like she had a reason to be there, and Bonnie's performance and RTD's writing didn't feel phoned in, unlike Chibnalls script and the direction for the two ladies (remember, a good actor is nothing without a good director). It's the exact same thing that happened with Sarah Jane, where she was reintroduced with a great script and care being put in from RTD. Again, I'm bad at articulating this well, but it's the same feeling I get from the COllection announcement trailers. The actors arent' putting in their best work because they dont need to, they already practically own the roles, they created them. And that's fine for some trailers for a bluray set, but when it's a full performance for an hour long TV special, then they need to bring their best. Bonnie Langford absolutely did. Sophie Aldred and Janet Fielding unfortunately did not.
@InappropriateFab
@InappropriateFab 6 ай бұрын
Tegan was quite annoying when she was brought back, Ace less so.
@Noblelox
@Noblelox 6 ай бұрын
That is why Chibnall failed so hard.
@CarbonKrazie
@CarbonKrazie 6 ай бұрын
Unpopular opinion, thr 14th doctor wont be the curator. The 15th doctor even said "we are doing therapy in the wrong order" thats why the 15th doctor is fine and the 14th is full of regret. They are still connected and arent separate I think when the 15th doctor regenerates he will combine with the 14th and create the 16th doctor
@Jazzdumpling
@Jazzdumpling 6 ай бұрын
I really hope you’re right. It would be awesome if 14 arrives as 15 regenerates and the two merge to create 16, just like 4 and 5 with The Watcher…
@TheGamer8041
@TheGamer8041 6 ай бұрын
14th could end up being the watcher and eventually merging back into his timeline when the 4th Doctor is regenerating
@maskmaker6374
@maskmaker6374 6 ай бұрын
But doesnt that take away from Ncuti's Doctor? That he has to be bookmarked between the most popular Doctor of nuwho instead of allowing him to stand on his own?
@_Pauper_
@_Pauper_ 6 ай бұрын
& the 16th doctor? Dwayne The Rock Johnson!
@HCProds1
@HCProds1 6 ай бұрын
that not an unpopular opinion, thats literally what RTD said his intentions were for it. 14 never becomes the curator.
@gulffire117
@gulffire117 6 ай бұрын
The difference in dynamic between Mel/Donna and Sarah Jane/Rose was 1.) Mel had made peace with her fate and chose her path, where Sarah Jane always felt abandoned and denied closure and choice. And 2.) Donna is confident, certain of her importance to the Doctor, where Rose is still young, petulant and insecure. The Doctor’s rant about how awful humanity is, reflects back to Wild Blue Yonder and the Entities claim that they became what they are because of what they took from humanity.
@gavindwyer6504
@gavindwyer6504 6 ай бұрын
Ncuti's legs - yes - totally agree!! I loved this episode - it had a great pace, and balanced the heartwarming moments with the horror elements. I have to say I'm loving Donna's development in these specials - my take is that she possibly retained some of the Doctor's smarts, and it seems she has accepted her place in the world, and embracing it fully. This was a perfect episode - loved the bigeneration - and Ncuti from the get go established his Doctor's character - I warmed to him very quickly. Neil Patrick Harris completely aced The Toymaker, unhinged, and insidiously evil. So much to love about this episode!! Loved your review!
@ODISeth
@ODISeth 6 ай бұрын
Now that we know Bigeneration is a thing, I’m curious what that means for the Master. Does it retroactively explain why, despite Missy’s turn to the good side, yet continued evil in Sacha’s depiction? Perhaps they bigenerated at one point and we never knew, so Missy became one branch of the Master while Sacha became another?
@gravy4425
@gravy4425 6 ай бұрын
Would explain the hand grabbing the tooth
@lavendargooms2056
@lavendargooms2056 6 ай бұрын
that's totally possible! my money is still on the doctor just experiencing them out of order but that could be cool
@cappaculla
@cappaculla 6 ай бұрын
It means what ever the script writer wants
@myles3067
@myles3067 6 ай бұрын
Missy actually goes on to regenerate into a good-ish master in the audio books!! Still unclear canonically where Sacha fits in though
@wallacewallaby5782
@wallacewallaby5782 6 ай бұрын
I hope not. Bigeneration is supposed to be impossibly rare and I would hate to see the Master also randomly split into 2. Tennant Doctor always had the strong desire to remain this form which could have contributed to this bizarre regeneration, plus he's not actually Galifreyan so his regenerations could behave differently than a regular time lord.
@kacektv9405
@kacektv9405 6 ай бұрын
Surely Ncuti's legs are an up each? Really tho I do find it funny he got like half of Tennant's clothes and means Tennant is flying commando till at least the flash forward to the dinner scene. Talk about living life to its fullest :P
@conwarlock3537
@conwarlock3537 6 ай бұрын
Okay, so now we have two extra Tennant doctor versions, three Tardises and a half timelord still flying around.
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 6 ай бұрын
Meta-10 doesn't count. He's stuck with Rose in Pete's World. Yes, I know there was a deleted scene, where the duo got a crystal to grow their own TARDIS, but they are still stuck within that universe (the alternate Earth where Lumic's Cybermen started, airships are flying abowe and Pete Tyler is still alive). When the Timelords were still around, crossing over between different universes was easy. But those times are gone. Crossing over is now very dangerous and mostly happenes by accident. So again, even having their own TARDIS means they are still stuck there.
@conwarlock3537
@conwarlock3537 6 ай бұрын
@@Croftice1 The third TARDIS I meant was the one Clara and Me/Ashildr are cruising around in
@bardlover6
@bardlover6 6 ай бұрын
These 3 specials have restored my excitement in Doctor Who! Can’t wait for the next one!
@adamfreddo5703
@adamfreddo5703 6 ай бұрын
One little nitpick and not a criticism at all; in the original celestial toymaker episode the first doctor said he met the doctor before. So the Giggle would actually be the third meeting with the Toymaker.
@luizansounds
@luizansounds 6 ай бұрын
Ye I thought of that, but I think the (young) doctor did manage to escape without playing
@aer0planejelly911
@aer0planejelly911 6 ай бұрын
I didn't mind the Doctor's rant about our flaws. It tacitly explains why he's so drawn to humans and Earth in general. He knows that we need watching.
@gregm766
@gregm766 6 ай бұрын
Loved the episode and I feel that the bi-generation was made possible by the Toy Maker bringing his rules to our universe. Also, to me, Ncuti Gatwa instantly felt like the Doctor, like when Matt Smith started. No need to get a couple of episodes to feel it with the others.
@christinakohl6111
@christinakohl6111 5 ай бұрын
Oh i like that explanation for the bi-generation! That sounds like a really plausible thing
@conwarlock3537
@conwarlock3537 6 ай бұрын
About the 'a billion years old' thing: By now it's really impossible to tell because of the Timeless Child arc, so it might as well be a billion. He just can't remember most of it.
@straightfacebuddha
@straightfacebuddha 6 ай бұрын
He also stayed in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years. But given the whole “teleporter reset” thing…does it still count?…👀
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 6 ай бұрын
@@straightfacebuddha The dial doesn't count. All the Doctor's are essentially clones, so it's kinda like a time loop, except the time goes ever forward, doesn't loop back, only the Doctor resets with each clone (and the chambers do as well).
@MydieLy
@MydieLy 6 ай бұрын
The scenes when Ncutis Doctor consoled David's ... and when he convinces him to stay, gives him that second TARDIS... for me that was an instant nod to who this new regeneration is gonna be: The Healer. A doctor in the very sense of the word. Compassion, strength, hands-on and just the right bit of pazzaaazz. And I am SO here for it!
@mgroot
@mgroot 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely loved this episode! The stand out line of this episode to me was from Donna: "I'm already running!" I actually LOL-ed when she said that
@conwarlock3537
@conwarlock3537 6 ай бұрын
I really hope that the recreation of the Master's ring scene, with that exact same hand means a return of John Simms because he was my absolute favorite Master.
@iainmccord
@iainmccord 6 ай бұрын
It's what happened to Ming's ring at the end of Flash Gordon.
@FreedomsRealm
@FreedomsRealm 6 ай бұрын
You forgot the ramp for accessibility. I figured there must be some kind of levitation ray or something so I could be included. Finally a whole new group of people can be welcomed into the adventure. And yes to bringing the understanding that a wheelchair user includes those of us who can stand long enough to transfer to another chair. There is so much needed in awareness and I agree the competence of machine assisted people. Beyond that, I loved this episode so much on all the levels and all the feels. I am so ready for this new era of Doctor Who.
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