Thank you. Happy to help.

I'm a retired trucker

Thank you. I really want to do something with a 435,6V53 or 8V53.

@Phat what bell housing and flywheel you used for the DD?

I would love to put 10 speed in my 93 f350!! Hopefully I can fine some more info on it

Just look for a #1 or #2 flywheel housing, flywheel and starter for and international DT444E it's the same as the 7.3

Thank you

Thank you I really like it.

Thank you

Why, just to be different?

@@farmyardfab driving a manual transmission not sincronyzed that's for really driver's 👏👌👍👍

Your welcome. I agree it should have been an option from the factory.

Thank you

If you check out my video on a fuller 6 speed install most of the hard parts are listed in the description.

I will sat yours a a TON louder than the 10's I've heard. Reason for that?

I was looking at the RTO14908LL. The Last 6 would follow near the NV5600

@@jamesrobinson5801 don't know for sure it's the only baby 10 I have ever been around. It is a 70s model Eaton released the 6610 in the 80s with gears that are cut different suspoably to make it quieter

@@jamesrobinson5801 I have not looked into that trans. When I did mine I was looking for 610, 613, or 6610, 6613 because they are about half the size and weight of mostg the others about 400lbs.

Awesome thanks for the info.

Doin the 10 speed swap in my truck cause of this video😂

By ASMR do you mean no talking just driving?

@@jagersgarage490 yes that’s exactly what I mean

Its mostly about having the gears in the top range for driving in the mountains. The low gears are great when grossing 25k and having to start out on a 10% grade.

Thank you I am in Alaska.

I got it form Six States my local heavy truck shop.

Floating

I have not been around an F450 so I can't say for sure. But on another dodge I did a conversion on without a body lift the factory 60/40 split bench fit over the raised tunnel and did not cause any issues the factory carpet with some stretching even fit

The older OD transmissions were like that because they were not originally designed for OD so when made OD the 1:1 stays in the same spot... should be doable on a 5.9 gas just have to find the industrial flywheel housing

@@jagersgarage490 The main issue is that going up hills (i tow with overdrive off) it seems like my rpms are slipping up and my speed is slightly going to sown which makes me worry my torque converter is slipping from the load. from what I know, I have one of the 46 model transmissions and 3rd is supposed to lock but i never really found out for sure. as for the bell housing, did you have to have yours made or did you just find one that allowed you to put the combination you have together? it seems so unlikely you could find any part to plug and play those two parts.

The flywheel housing is out of a ford f650 that had a 5.9 cummins

Something like this lewiston.craigslist.org/pts/d/pomeroy-sae-bell-housing-adapter-to-big/7728278069.html

@jagersgarage490 very interesting. It makes me wonder if that would bolt up to my engine because the trucks were designed to take the magnum or the Cummins. It makes me think they are compatible with one anotherz

Save some mpg with the taller gears? Mainly asking cause ill be going from a nv4500. Looking for more mpg at freeway speeds coast to coast. Already changed gears from 4.10 to 3.54.

Mileage has not changed from befor the swap. It is easier to get the load moving. The biggest benefit is hills/mountains. With the 5 speed if I hadto slow down on or at the base of a grade with a load I may have been stuck in 2 or 3rd because the gear speed was to wide with the 10. Speed I don't have that problem. I have had mine done for about 5 years and have yet to have an issue with the u-joints but I only put about 5-8k miles on it a year. I used an SAE #2 flywheel housing and bell housing.

Short answer is yes. Longer answer is which one there are many different 8 speeds you will have to do some research and see which gear ratio and case size will work for you.

@@jagersgarage490 you can always 10 speed swap it and and skip 1st and 6th. i drive a roll back and always skip 1st and 6th unless im loaded heavy.

@@KentuckyFriedClassic I have been skip shifting more lately. Before it always had a load behind it but I no longer have my LUV so I have running errands that I cant use the geo for.

Just an 5.9 Cummins SAE 2 flywheel housing the part #s for most of the parts I used including the housing are in the description of my 6 speed video. The best contact is jagers garage or team fishballs on Facebook

The part numbers should be in the description of this video now.

The entire transmission hump would need cut out and re-made. The hight is not the big problem it's the width of the 6610 and clearance for the flywheel housing.

You have to cut the floor out. Not stock at all until you put carpet back in it again to cover it up

I miss spoke it's a Dana 24 it's supposed to be strong as a np205 I have not had any issues.

I would not say it's insignificant. In my truck the mileage didn't change. But I added 200lbs to a truck that weighs almost 8000lbs.

Yes it can be done on a 2002 being 2wd will make it much easier as you dont have to deal will the transfer case. My experience towing in the mountains with the automatic is pitiful would have to pull them in second or the tranny would overheat (completely stock 47rh)

Its about 400 rpm between gears and 2200rpm at 70 with 3.54 axle gears and 33in tires.

Could you effectively run a longer rear gear to move the trans gears up in the driving range? Basically make the lower gears more usable speed wise and the higher gears more usable for of reasons to drop the high way RPM but still keep the TQ benefit of the 10spd.

You could do that. Where I live 65 is the highest speed limit so I have no need to go over 70. The first gear in the 10 speed is 10:1 or 13:1 the 5 speed is 5ish:1 so you could go higher in the rear for more top speed or to bring rpm down for better mileage.

@@jagersgarage490 that was the plan for wanting to do a swap like this. I'd love a DT466 in the truck so that's gonna be work but I also wanted more gears than my current 5spd, I was going to go with a ZF6 but that's some work as well.... so if I'm doin all that might as well just do a tad more and run a 9 or 10 spd Eaton. 97 OBS F350 is the truck.

@@jameshess9530 3.55 is about all you will find for your axles, trucks dont get taller usually, there were some rarer dodge stuff with a 3.08 ish but they dont swap in a regular housing

The answer to that is wide ranging the cummins in my truck stock redline is 2500 but the tdi in my vw has a redline of 4500

I believe so would have to do research and see if there are SAE housings for the 7.3. Or get an adapter/custom bellhousing.

@@jagersgarage490 Thank you sir

@@michaelgoldman4019 you should have no problem getting a bell housing as International used the 7.3 in trucks and school buses the 7.3 in International trucks is known as a T444E which is the same as the 7.3 "Powerstroke" which Powerstroke is a licensed Ford Name. We have one in the yard with a 9spd.

@@Terk131 more info please, been wanting to swap my OBS from my ZF5 to a trans with more gears.... if I'm going through the work for a ZF6 why not a little extra for more gears. I want to swap a DT466 into it as well which is all in all a chore. But a 466 in front of a 9spd or 10spd with a tall rear gear to spread the driving range a little taller would be killer.

@@jameshess9530 What do you want info on ? I will help you out anyway I can. Do you want my email address ? People do not realize you can also put an Allison behind all these diesels as well. We did an Allison/Cummins in a 86 ford extended cab from a school bus, p-pumped no less and used a guage cluster from a 90 f700 that had a 5.9 Cummins in it. Couldn't have worked out any better. The 7.3 (t444e) powerstroke we put in an 06 f350 crew cab 4x4 that blew the 6.0 and they guy kept the ZF6 but the 7.3 (t444e) from the oil truck and 9spd was a great combo for the now hauler and I wouldn't change a thing. We have done a Cummins 12V 5.9 and 13spd from a water truck into a 06 gmc that blew a dmax and that was a great setup as you can skip gears but when towing and needed you had the extras ready.. people also never know Australia never got the 6.0, it stayed 7.3 until the 6.7 AND Brazil had a "POWERMAX" which was a 4bt Cummins with a choice of the ZF5 or ZF6 from 99 on and it was a bolt in install to drop a 6bt into its place using literally everything from the 4bt. So many combos you can do and factory options that many did not know about that existed which made builds awesome and crazy...

Need a new rear engine housing

Yes with #2 bell housing. Clutch is regular Eaton 14" clutch. But I recomend the dual disk clutch as it wont wear out in a year like stock one will.

With it being a 4600 it should already have an sae flywheel housing. So you would need to figure out if it's a #1 or #2 get your transmission make sure its bellhousing is whatever SAE you have, get a clutch driveline shortened maybe a different yoke and should pretty much bolt in. For a 6.7 would be about the same just have to fine an SAE flywheel housing

@@jagersgarage490 and how would one go about finding if I have a number 1 or 2. Maybe I’m missing something And thank you for the response!

Just search the web for SAE bellhousing identification. That will get you all the info for dimensions and be better info then me trying to remember off the top of my head

Doubtful it takes 50psi acting on the internal piston to shift it.

If you can find a transmission that has an external shift cylinder than you could possibly find a vacum chamber that you can modify to work. You would need a large chamber to have enough force and the shift may be slow.

@@jagersgarage490 gotcha and I'm terribly sorry for not replying sooner, I had a lot notifications in my youtube inbox (from subscriptions and live stream notifications) and I had to go through each one manually. Hope you're having a wonderful day and thank you for the information. :)

Mileage is the same as with the 5 speed.

I have used it for that before.

In alaska the highest speed limit is 65mph at 70mph its about 2100 rpm

Remove the top of the box and the aux box. Remove input shaft and install 2 new gears. Remove counter shafts remove first 2 gears and put them back on in the the opposite order.. that's for the rt610 and rt6610 may very on different models

Copy, thanks!

The way they are abused off road I think it should be fine. Towing is smooth load the off roaders shock load them.. is a shaft breaks you could always do a 32 spline upgrade.

@@jagersgarage490 I'm also thinking about a dt466 and 13 speed in the 1997 ram 4x4

That would be different personally I dont really care for the dt466 in any truck I have driven that came with it. Tho in a pickup may be different.

Here are a few options depending on what type of engagement you want also I'm assuming an SAE #2 and 14in clutch www.phoenixfriction.com/p-31356-107342-12-new-eaton-fuller-standard-service-14-in-stamped-pull-type-angle-spring-2-plate-860-lbsft-clutch-set-2-in-spline-3-super-button.aspx www.phoenixfriction.com/p-31385-108034-82b-new-eaton-fuller-14-in-350mm-pull-type-easy-pedal-advantage-2-plate-1150-lbsft-clutch-set-2-in-spline-organic.aspx

@@jagersgarage490 Thank you very much!!! We’re just sort of inventing this as we go Your video and part numbers have been helpful. Thanks again

@@jagersgarage490 Turns out that the flywheel housing that just got delivered off eBay is an SAE#3 So that stinks. Trying to find exact part number 3921296 is not working online. Any idea if 3931713 is the same or will work? Thanks

I can't recall it's been years since I did all the research and even then finding the flywheel housing I used and shared I was fairly difficult to find then it's ideal because it places the starter on the divers side. So the wires don't have to be moves and in my case with compound turbos I couldn't use a more common housing with the starter on the passenger side

Doing a bit of research the # you asked about should work it's should be an SAE #2 bellhousing but is says the the starter is an SAE #1 so the starter I listed probably won't work

The main parts you will need at listed in the description of my 6 speed swap video. They are the same parts for a 10 speed

I used SAE components so it all just bolts together. If you watch the fuller 6 speed conversion in my other video it goes more in depth.

@@jagersgarage490 wat does it cost 2 do this

It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300.

Drive shafts I had them made locally cast almost $2000 when I did the Eaton 6 speed I ordered them from Tom Woods and both including shipping were about $800

I'm pretty sure it is a 2 gal tank. It's a viair kit wired it by the instructions with the switch being wired to a the fuse block the is hit in run.

@@jagersgarage490 ok thank you I ordered the kit a few weeks ago just waiting on some fitting and gauges and air line now trying to source a good rto6610 now for my 3rd gen might do a video or 2 on it

The 2001 I put a sae #2 housing in had more room around the flywheel housing. But the 10 speed is very wide so you would need to reshape the transmission tunnel or body lift.

I wondered about that for now I have a reman 48re it's working better than any so far. We'll see. But I was measuring and your right on the 20 it's got more than 38" in three or four spots. So I think cut it and reweld a new plate. So it fits nicely you would defanatly never ever have to put another clutch or trans in. Though on my old 96 KW I did break a direct shaft running over 850 horse and 2900 pounds of torque but was pulling a full load. 😂 All in fun plus the older designed 18 speed. So it was a 6x4 with a 6 behing it essentially give u about 40 gears. As u can split gears with most Eaton's. Depends.

That looks really good and I think the 2004 has much more room between the frame rails and the length would be there I like the unmarried t case as well. And the shear size makes that whole unit much stronger. U won't go fast from shift to shift but you will be able to pull a much bigger load tire weight ratings are all that will stop that at this point and 19.5 s will solve that. Or 22. Inch. I may just get another 2004 to 08 to do this I have moded a f10p a jeep wrangler and several others there nothing that cannot be done. And the cost of doing it is all that dictates the build. A semi tractor is a good base but they cost a lot of money to get something that has not got a million miles on it. We'll see how it all goes.

I'm not sure what you are asking. If you read my responses to the other questions maybe it will answer yours.

I did use a clutch break. If I recall correctly 14in is the biggest in an SAE 2 if you use an SAE 1 you can go biggee.

@@jagersgarage490 what size shaft did your trans have mine has the 1 1/2 shaft and I wanted to know if the pilot bearing in your 6 speed video would work for it ?

Mine was 1.75in. I used the same pilot bearing with my 10 speed as with the 6 speed. Will it work for yours? Maybe. There are two different pilot sizes for both the 1.5 and 1.75 inch inputs. If I were you I would measure your input and look up the ID of the bearing to be sure.

@@jagersgarage490 that’s what I’m gonna do I just figured if u had the 1.5 shaft I would just order the same bearing

Yes

You need an 5.9 sae flywheel housing

@@jagersgarage490 what about the flywheel? Pilot bearing?

Part number and links for the main parts are in the video description

@@jagersgarage490 I'd really like to get in touch with you and pick your brain a bit. Do you have a phone number that I can reach you at?

Can start @teamfishballs on Facebook

Not sure which sound you are talking about. There is the sound of the range switch, the transmission when it is shifting ranges and sometimes you can hear the rail clicking into the detent.

It does at times. In direct drive its quiet and that good for about 45-60 in OD 60-75 it has a whine but under load it not as loud. The low range is really loud.

If you are in a high traffic area with no mountains/steep grades I'd go allison (a real one not the chevy one) if you have lots of mountains/steep grades definitely g ok manual

@@jagersgarage490 live in middle tn, so monteagle is about the roughest grade nearby, but planning on hauling a camper/buggy all around the country. Been thinking about the 6 alli from a duramax…. which Allison would you suggest? Gotta have OD

For most places especially passing through towns the allison will be nicer to live with but I have knee problems so if I have to clutch alot my knee will hurt. But for crossing the Rockies I would want a manual. I have never seen an alison that pulls aswell.... think of a school bus most of them are 5.9 Cummins with an alison

About 1800

I understand that I'm just used to the rhythm of not skip shifting as it only really gets driven when hauling a load. Just thought as I was sitting at the light that I would throw it in the video.

@@jagersgarage490 I was here a year ago, and now KZfaq has brought me back to your video. Lol

I'm guessing that you mean an 06 dodge. If so the factory transfer case could be made to work if you have adapters made to use it in a married setup like it was designed for the cheapest way is to get a divorced transfer case

@@jagersgarage490 I assume with divorced case would it need to be run inline with slip yoke. In between trans and case? Thanks for reply.

Yes

It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300. If you check out my 6 speed swap it is the same process and there is a list of most the parts I used in the description.

@@jagersgarage490 thanks

Your welcome

@@jagersgarage490 watched the other video that's a lot more work than I figured and I don't think anyone around here would do a good as job as u did in that video guess I'm gonna have to wate till this next trans goes out

Its alot of work and fabrication. Bolting up the transmission is basically the same as a trans swap the mounts is what really takes time and work.

those transmissions are massive, not like the baby in this video. there is a n rto613 but the aux section looks really big so I doubt you could fit it. this video shows a 600ftlb transmission the big ones you are refering to are 1200- 2150 ftlb rated transmissions.

Depending on tire size and rear end ratio yes. Only a .8 OD on these trans. So you gotta have like 3.54 gears and/or bigger tires to make up your top speed loss

3.54

It's alot quiter now that I put dyno mat on the tunnel put carpet on it and a foam donut on the shifter under the boot

The RTO610 was designed in the 60s or 70s one of the reasons they came out with the RTO6610 in the 80s was to reduce the wine. This is the only one of those models I have ever been around so I assume that's just how they are as all the internals were in good shape. Thank you I really like the truck.

With my 10speed I have a Dana 21 the 6 speed I did is an NP205 and a friend of mine who is doing a 15 speed is using an NP205. If cost was not a consideration I would use an Atlas II

Thanks a Lot You are a really Nice person i cant whait to ser Your new videos god bless you

Not a super 10 it's a rto610

I used the 10 speed RTO610 because it was what I could find in my area for a good deal that was one of the baby boxes. There are 10,13 and 8ll in the smaller boxes.

Love it

No

Much better towing always have the right gear and on hills with a hairpin turn at the bottom I can actually up shift where with the 5 speed I would be stuck in 2nd or 3rd. No change in mileage. With 33in tires and 3.54 gears at 70 it's about 2100 rpm.

That's wide ranging unloaded hyw miles 25mpg.. gvw around 20k in the mountains I think 8 was the worst

You can skip gears I went through all for the video incase anyone wanted to count and claim it was just a 6 speed if I skipped everytime. I do skip at one point in the video but I dont do it often because its normally loaded pretty heavy so they are not very smooth.

245/70R19.5 they are about a 33 about 2100 rpm

Yes you can. When I did mine the parts were about $300 including a new input shaft. You don't have to get a new input shaft I did because I wanted the larger diameter one so I would have more clutch options.

@@jagersgarage490 how hard is it and do you have to take it all the way apart? Or is it the big back section so this would take a direct drive to a overdrive right

@@jagersgarage490 the only reason I'm asking is I can get a RT6610 for a deal and will be doing the same thing you did I just need od for the highway

Its easy pull the top cover the input shaft and swap some gears. It will make a direct into an over... with the conversion 9th/4th and 10th/5th will swap places in the shift pattern

You have to take the aux box off ass well but don't have to disassemble it. That why I did mine could only find RTs.. if you search online you can find the overhaul manual and parts breakdown for free. Walks you through the job and the is a kit number that has everything you need.

You have to slip the clutch more

It's a transmission that was designed in the 60s with large tooth strait cut gears.

@@jagersgarage490 very interesting love the setup looking to do something of that sort myself

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It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300.

Wow good job, Very nicely done!! I’ve Been wanting to do this for the last 10 years. Yeah makes more driving video that in sound awesome when shifting

@@jagersgarage490 thanks

The truck I'm planning on building is a Kodiak with a L10 a and 18 speed with air brakes

They are from Richmond wheel of I remember correctly. They are 19.5 in wheels with the standard 8 lug pattern.

2100

So the 10 speed has overdrive? I'm just worried if I do this conversion I will run out of range in my RPM's before I get to highway speed.

Some have overdrive my overdrive is. .80

@@jagersgarage490 well thank you for the videos I love the info to bad you are all the way up north we need a guy that knows this stuff in the states

I'd love to have Jake's I could do an exhaust brake but then I need to change my valve springs and I don't think there is room with the compound turbos

As in a tractor trailer?

The RTO610 only weighs 50lb more the the 6 speed dodge used.

A newer version of the transmission would not wine as much... if I had know how bad I would have gone with a 6610 or something else.

@@jagersgarage490 That because of the straight cut gears i believe

The 6610 also has straight cut gears but the teeth are smaller/more on each gear and it is supposed to be alot quieter.

Two speed rear end has low and super low that would be pointless you would never want that on the highway

Never been stranded but have had to limp home from the 5 speed going out 3 times.

youve obviously never drove a 10 speed or any split range transmission for that matter. they aint made to be fast, theyre made to pull. i doubt you could even drive a 10 speed and theyre the easiest. once you get into split range trans with a high and low split in each gear then youre driving big boy shit, 13, 16, 18 speeds, something i doubt you could ever come close to doing. his truck is way more badass than yourn. i cant wait for the day i 10 speed swap mine.

@@KentuckyFriedClassic I wish I was cool like you son!

@@gwh21375 i wished youd actually have some knowledge or experience before you came in here trash talking someone about something that you know nothing about. why are you even watching this video? lmao. go on a drive around in your 5 speed civic and leave the real shifting to the big boys.

@@KentuckyFriedClassic yes sir Mr big boy...

When three 5 speeds have broke. This is cheaper and more reliable. If you don't think that many gears are needed or can help then you have never towed 10k in the mountains of Alaska or Canada.

ALEJANDRO here is a little news flash. This guy doesn't think he is super trucker. He is a super innovator. He had a problem with towing in mountains and so instead of trying to buy a solution he built one. Did you look at his hands? Dude works for a living, so how about you keep your little snide comments to yourself and go look at videos of how to purchase your boyfriend a new ear gauge. Thanks.