Does changing wire feed affect penetration with Mig?

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Making mistakes with Greg

Making mistakes with Greg

Күн бұрын

In this episode we tackle wire feed speed and how it changes penetration. Previous video dealing with voltage changing here: • How much does voltage ...
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:45 Overview
0:01:21 Let’s weld
0:01:52 Issues and first look
0:03:57 The pudding
0:11:53 Conclusion

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@johnmacmillan627
@johnmacmillan627 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Greg, this is very interesting. The range with both wfs and voltage is much larger than I thought it would be. Wonderful video
@michaelwhiting878
@michaelwhiting878 Жыл бұрын
Your excellent demos shows that both Voltage and Feed Speed have some effect when adjusted independently from each other, but not as much as I have heard about in other videos, so I learned a lot here on the subject. I think the two (voltage and feed speed) are like a teeter-totter and should be balanced to achieve decent results where penetration is concerned. I am very interested to see the results when performed with 0.035 wire. Perhaps the affects will be more pronounced with the higher current-carrying capacity available via the thicker wire where the base metal is 1/4” plate. I recently changed my wire from 0.035 Flux Core to 0.030 Solid wire, and I was having a lot of difficulty getting to the proper settings. I tried all kinds of Feed Speed and Voltage combinations, and the welder kept stammering and spitting. Thought it might be gas flow, but that made no difference. Eventually I took a closer look at the feed roller, and watched it while I held the gun on the plate to see if I could see anything. Low and Behold, the roller was slipping, and that was the cause of the stammering. When I had switched to the 0.030 wire, I failed to adjust the drive roller tension for the smaller wire! After I got it properly adjusted, the Auto-Set function settings worked perfectly! I wasted a couple hours thinking something was wrong with my machine, or something was wrong with the new roll of wire I just put in. I know MIG isn’t your first choice, but perhaps you could do a video segment along with Feed Speed and address feed roller tension affects (stammering i.e. it sort of mimics too high of a voltage and too low of a feed speed) address proper wire tensioner and the issues it can cause. It would have saved me a lot of frustration.
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
I am definitely looking forward to testing .035 vs .030 to see what the results are. I have a feeling it will handle higher voltage with less spatter compared to .030. When I test co2 instead of c25 I bet penetration will increase too. Can’t wait to see :0. Issues with wire feeding can be real hard to figure out, don’t feel bad at all taking that long to figure it out. Anything from liner issues, gas leaks due to bad o-rings on the gun, you name it can be a source of a issue. I definitely will do a troubleshooting video with mig, there is so much that can go wrong there is plenty to cover 😅.
@bryanrocker5033
@bryanrocker5033 Жыл бұрын
To me, the 290 W ipm penetration looked the best. It could be just how it looks on screen as opposed to in person. I have both 110 and 220 in my garage shop. For a DIY MIG has its place but so does stick.
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
They are all so close it’s hard to tell, but without a doubt the 290 will have the highest voltage to wire feed ratio of all of them. Short circuit Mig is definitely a great process that is a must have in the shop. Anything thick I stick weld but for many thin material jobs mig is so much less frustrating.
@markdeitchman8938
@markdeitchman8938 Жыл бұрын
really appreciate your content Greg. looking forward to your next ones about mig short circuit.
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
I have a bunch more that will be rolling out soon 😀
@JeffWok
@JeffWok Жыл бұрын
Hey Greg. After watching your channel and a few others I bought a flux core special from HF last month and I'm pleased with my progress. Just a note from a n00b to say I think I got a lot out of this video and the others about voltage and feed differences. Thx for the content!
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
I am glad you learned a lot 😀. I am also glad that functional and affordable welders exist out there and the online education to use them. Flux core isn’t hard to use, it just requires certain things to be just right. With a bit of practice and a bunch of initial failures you’ll be able to build some cool stuff 😀
@mkearn724
@mkearn724 Жыл бұрын
For the most part this is pretty much what I expected, although the “w” was a surprise. For the most part I’ve always thought that volts and ipm had to coincide in order to affect penetration. I’m sure that flux, dualshield, different gas, and or spray transfer will be the ones that really affect penetration.
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
I will run some hot settings and .035 wire to see what happens, but I don’t think conventional short arc will have a lot left in it. Great process for many jobs, but spray arc and dual shield are in categories of their own on thicker plate in comparison. The W weld penetration definitely is odd, I don’t think I have ever seen something like that anywhere. Might be a fluke or something lol.
@paulnewton943
@paulnewton943 Жыл бұрын
I was taught by a stick welder and guess old habits die hard and have always liked the herring bone finish in the weld. And I have wondered about the stack of dimes with mig look, and just how much penetration you could have. Mig being a cold start weld and a deposit weld. It has now crept into hot rod chassis production for its visual appeal. Guess it is better than mig it on and grind most of it off. Can't wait till you do this one.
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
@@paulnewton943 I will be fully testing this. Doing circle “E” movements does have a effect on weld penetration. Running cold to get a stack of dimes look also affects things (for the worse lol). The results will be interesting for sure.
@lonnieblackwell5107
@lonnieblackwell5107 Жыл бұрын
What wattage generator does it take to run your welder?
@makingmistakeswithgreg
@makingmistakeswithgreg Жыл бұрын
I will be doing a video series on running welders on generators soon that will explain it in depth. However for right now I can take a guess and say those welds were somewhere around 21-22 amps on the generator or around 5k watts, possibly as high as 5,700 watts. The issue with generators is they only have the ability to generate a max wattage. With house wiring you can exceed breaker rating significantly without tripping the breaker because of the nature of welding (on/off duty cycle). It’s very common for say a 140 amp MiG machine on a 20 amp breaker to pull over 33 amps without tripping the breaker. On house wiring the welder will still work, on a generator that only has a 20 amp output you could overload the generator. I will go in depth on all of this in a few videos soon 😀
@lonnieblackwell5107
@lonnieblackwell5107 Жыл бұрын
@@makingmistakeswithgreg Thank you for the reply. I plan to buy a generator at some future date and might want to run a small welder offsite. My Flux core wire welder (125) runs in 120 only while the inverter stick runs on 120, or 240. I don’t do really heavy stuff so have never tripped a breaker in the house while welding outside.
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