Does Flute Tubing Thickness Matter

Does Flute Tubing Thickness Matter - FCNY Sponsored

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Do you know that flutes come in different tube thicknesses? Most flutes will come with the standard thickness of 0.16”. But when choosing a flute, it’s helpful to understand how tubing thickness can change the way you sound.
How does it enhance your tone? Does a thickness make the flute easier or more difficult to play?
These answers can be found in my video sponsored by the Flute Center of New York.
I compare the 3 different tube thicknesses and discuss the benefits of each so that you can decide which is best for you.
Have fun!
DoctorFlute
Here are the 4 flutes demonstrated:
William S. Haynes Custom Handmade Silver Flute - .014” Thin Wall Tubing
All silver tubing, mechanism, tone holes, rings, ribs, and posts; lightweight pinless mechanism, soldered tone holes, French (open hole) model, pointed style key arms, gold springs, offset G key, split-E mechanism, C# trill key, and B footjoint. Handmade in USA.
Haynes Silver Handcut Headjoint - Coin Silver Tubing, Silver Lip Plate and 14K gold riser, .016” standard wall tubing, Piedmont cut headjoint. Handmade in USA.
flutecenter.com/products/will...
Miyazawa Custom Handmade Flute Model PB-202 - .016” Standard Wall Tubing
Silver-plated body and mechanism, partial Brögger mechanism, drawn tone holes, French (open hole) model, pointed key arms, gold springs, Straubinger pads, A=442, inline G key, C# trill key, D# roller, and B footjoint. Handmade in Japan.
Miyazawa Brittania Silver Handcut headjoint - Brittania silver tube, sterling silver lip plate and crown, with 14K gold riser, .016” standard wall tubing, MZ-10 cut. Handmade in Japan.
flutecenter.com/products/miya...
Miyazawa Custom Handmade Flute Model PB-202 - .018” Heavy Wall Tubing
Silver-plated body and mechanism, partial Brögger mechanism, drawn tone holes, French (open hole) model, pointed key arms, gold springs, Straubinger pads, A=442, inline G key, C# trill key, D# roller, and B footjoint. Handmade in Japan.
Miyazawa Brittania Silver Handcut headjoint - Brittania silver tube, sterling silver lip plate and crown, with 14K gold riser, .016” standard wall tubing, MZ-10 cut. Handmade in Japan.
flutecenter.com/products/miya...
Muramatsu Handmade Custom Flute Model DS - .018” Heavy Wall Tubing
Muramatsu Handmade Custom Flute Model DS - sterling silver hand-cut headjoint, sterling silver body and mechanism, pinned mechanism, drawn tone holes, French (open hole) model, pointed key arms, gold springs, Muramatsu pads, A=442, D-sharp roller (standard), B footjoint. Handmade in Japan.
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@bron-sconcess.10 2 жыл бұрын

Neat, informative .. Thank you!

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marion!

@dianeweldon8939 5 күн бұрын

Great video. Interested in learning difference between gold and silver risers.

@DoctorFlute 4 күн бұрын

Interesting, I guess I haven’t done a video on specifically that. There is quite a difference but at that point it is preference not good or bad.

@angel2k3t 10 ай бұрын

Thank you. I had no idea flutes came in different thicknesses.

@DoctorFlute 10 ай бұрын

Exactly why I made the video! What thickness do you have?

@valmirvilela9072 2 ай бұрын

Great!

@DoctorFlute 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@davidkang6433 2 жыл бұрын

Contrary to the general consensus, I honestly liked your sound the best on the haynes thin-wall oddly. There's something about it which I really like, but I can't quite describe it.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Hi David, maybe your preference is for brightness. I do think the thin walled is a great flute. In the end it is what our ear is attracted to that makes our decisions. There is no bad decision at this level. Thanks for you opinion.

@willistaylor4077 Жыл бұрын

Oh...! Thank you for this video. I definitely preferred the heavier wall Flute. The Haynes sounded shrill compared to the 16, or 18.

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! And I agree!

@PooMonkeyMan 2 жыл бұрын

I remember flipping through flute catalogues and always thinking I’d love heavy wall tubings for any future flute I’d get. Turns out I actually don’t like heavy wall at all. Recently got a old Haynes at .011” thickness and I feel in love with the resonance that the .012” and .014” couldn’t achieve. Reading and hear about Rampal’s .009” tubing makes me wonder if it’ll be possible to find a flute that thin. His sound was just remarkably bright.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

How interesting! I'd love to try some Haynes from the "thin" era. So glad you found one that sounds phenomenal.

@tonyberger5349 2 жыл бұрын

Everything sounds beautiful when played by a professional!!! This video has been very helpful, think my next for would be a .016 thickness.. think that's the best, I normally have trouble with my high notes.. Does a gold plated lip plate make a difference as well? Or does it just make it look nice? Keep up the videos please, I have found you are most informative online flute teacher..

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou so much for you compliment. I will definitely keep up. Feel free to suggest things you are interested in as well. The gold lip plate makes a big difference in sound. Any time you change the metal on the flute or just head joint will affect the tone. I use a gold riser on my head joint which gives me a little more brilliance then when I play my straight silver head. I wonder if you have an issue with air direction and speed with your high notes?

@robertzsombok7661 2 жыл бұрын

Muramatsu sounded wonderful. You sounded best on both the heavy walled flutes but Muramatsu best. Imho 😍

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Robert, thanks for your opinion. I too love the Muramatsu heavy wall. It is a gorgeous instrument. Do you play?

@robertzsombok7661 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute Hi Angela, yes I have a masters in the performing arts on Flute in Sweden. However life wanted me to do a long detour with other things. I´m having a second go at a flutist career now. I thank God and the Universe for this second chance in life 🙏💖

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! I love stories like yours. My life was going a different direction when 4 children came along and settling in a tiny town away from all musically happening cities. But God did have other plans and I wouldn't trade what I'm doing now for anything that I thought I would be doing.

@robertzsombok7661 2 жыл бұрын

Ty Angela for responding and sharing ⚘ You were blessed with children and family and to finally be able to commit to your passion for music. When we mature as people and reflect and learn from the challenges life throws at us, while we always try to choose kindness and love, inevitably universe will set us on the right path. 🤓🎼

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@michaelnguyenflute 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked that heavy wall Miyazawa for you DoctorFlute! The third octave really sang. I remember in another video you were sampling headjoints on your Haynes flute - have you tried the Haynes fusion heads?

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I think that Miyazawa was beautiful as well! Oh that fusion Haynes headjoint.. OO la la! I have only tried them at conventions but I think they are terrific!

@hautunno5511 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Angela, very interesting video! I have an older Muramatsu Silver Headjoint, no idea about thickness. After an almost 30y break, it was restored, an my actual teacher is about changing my embouchure (and so my sound) drastically. My flute has a very good sound. Despite that i'm about looking fot a wooden headjoint, since i'm much into baroque/early classic. In order to copy the wooden sound of traversos, I prefer a darker sound on Boehm flutes. I hopefully will have the chance to try a Mura DS heavy. If I can try it, I'm very curious about the differences. But maybe I'd rather have to face touching a traverso...

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if your old Muramatsu is heavy walled. I think it was much more common years ago to make heavy walled. I know a few people who play on a wooden head joint and they sound great so I bet that will be a great choice for you. The Muramatsu DS heavy will be a fantastic instrument. Good luck with your journey.

@KarinaEijo 2 жыл бұрын

I love this topic! To be honest, I find that I sometimes feel like I overblow the 0.016" but because I have struggled with a performance injury, I think that any flute that I get after my Powell Signature would need to be a denser alloy rather than a heavier flute. If I stayed with Powell, I would probably get a heavy wall. I really loved the Burkart 998 with the gold soldered tone holes because it was denser than sterling silver, but not heavy. My playing is more leaning toward the "American" sound: more edgy and rough.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the alloys can give you that edgier sound that is popular today. My favorite flute right now is a Burkhart with a platinum riser. For me it is the best of both worlds. It has the edge and also can be sweet but also powerful. It is fun to dream!

@KarinaEijo 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute It definitely is, but I really love my flute right now. MAYBE I would consider swapping the crown in the future to give me more resistance, but I really love the sound I can get from my flute.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I think the Powell Signature is a fantastic instrument.

@KarinaEijo 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute I didn’t realize you played on two heavy wall flutes! For my taste, I prefer the Muramatsu and Altus flute from the Japanese makers. My former teacher plays a heavy wall Brannen and feels pretty light compared to a heavy wall Powell and Burkart.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Brannens have never done anything for me but I think Muramatsus are really fine instruments. I haven't had much experience playing on Altus instruments. I'll have to try them out when I get the opportunity.

@BrentCraig7 Жыл бұрын

I understand the differences much better now. The thinner 0.012 is brighter than the others.

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

Right on! Does that sound appeal to you?

@efanshel 2 жыл бұрын

This is very helpful. The ear still trumps everything for me..

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Great! And yes, your ear is what will appeal to you.

@kimberlyforbragd3729 2 жыл бұрын

What is the head joint on the Miyazawa PB-202? I have this flute with the MX-2 head joint. Your comments are right on point with my experience learning to play it. I love it but for me there was a learning curve on playing it.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Here is the description of the head joint: Miyazawa Brittania Silver Handcut headjoint - Brittania silver tube, sterling silver lip plate and crown, with 14K gold riser, .016” standard wall tubing, MZ-10 cut. I'm glad you like it now!

@starckwest6358 Жыл бұрын

very interesting

@starckwest6358 Жыл бұрын

choice to intervals and speed pieced

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

Not sure what you mean?

@starckwest6358 Жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute pardon, I d like to say that it ll be interesting to listen to a choice of intervals melodic line and then appreciate which flute is more reactive in this way of playing. thks

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

Oh now I understand. Yes, that is an interesting way of listening to these different flutes.

@ill_prepared_optimist 2 жыл бұрын

I've been trialing flutes and have been really surprised at the difference in sound and tone quality between the standard and heavy wall, as well as the material of the flute.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't it really amazing? There are just so many choices. What are you leaning towards?

@ill_prepared_optimist 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute I'm really stuck actually, it's such a hard decision. Currently between a Miyazawa 402 heavy wall and a Muramatsu GX standard. I kind of think GX heavy wall will be exactly the sound I'm looking for, but it's out of my budget so I'm afraid to try it. 😅

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Go for the one you like best if you can. But, I think the important point here is at the level you are deciding between there is no wrong choice. You will be happy with your second choice.

@ill_prepared_optimist 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute the problem is the one I like best changes from day to day. The miyazawa has a beautiful warmth and the high register really pops without being too bright but the Muramatsu has great flexibility and is really expressive. I think I'll be happy with either one, but I know I'll keep thinking about the one I don't choose. Sigh.

@raananeylon4867 2 жыл бұрын

The subject is of ongoing relevance.Ideally, one can derive the maximum out of each flute by "sizing" its characteristics up by playing and approach each instrument in the best possible way.There do exist light instruments with all the capabilities of heavier instruments and heavy instruments that respond as easily as lighter instruments. Good luck finding one-not that easy, and they were likely made in France or in Boston.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

You are right. It really depends on your playing style and embouchure. I guess that is why there are so many flute makers out there today.

@loiswhitlock2990 2 жыл бұрын

How would it work to pair a heavy wall head joint with a thin wall flute?

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I think the biggest problem you would have is that they thin walled head joint would not fit the heavy walled body. If you went the other way around the thin wall head joint could stretch to fit the heavy walled body but a heavy walled head joint has a tiny bit bigger bore size. It would be interesting to find one that would fit and hear the sound. Good question.

@acidforblood 2 жыл бұрын

Does the darker sounding heavy wall mean that you get less tone color range though due to the resistance? Or does it actually open up more possibilities if you are comfortable with using more air? I'm wondering if James Galway preferred heavier walled flutes. I realise he has been a fan of Muramatsu flutes in the past which I think have more resistance. I could be wrong if so please correct me. I believe he uses A LOT of air when he plays as his tone sounds so rich in a lot of his music even in the higher registers as well as the lower notes which to make a really loud purple tone in the lowest notes without cracking/overblowing can be difficult, probably cus I'm still a beginner. I wish I won the lottery so that I could rent or buy many different flutes and experience these nuances for myself. I guess all in good time.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I think that the heavy wall does give you more color choices. It also just gives you a darker richer tone. Perhaps not with all heavy walled instruments but certainly with a Muramatsu. I really don't know what type Galway played I only know that he now plays a Nagahara. I am slightly afraid of a heavy wall myself because I don't use a lot of air and I am afraid that it would need more then I have but I do like the sound the heavy wall makes. It is so luscious. About the lottery, you and me both!

@acidforblood 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute Just out of curiosity what model flute do you play on?

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I play on a professional Haynes flute with a 14c riser on the head joint.

@meriharary Жыл бұрын

Galway used to play a 9k Muramatzu. I met him after a concert and he told me! This was in the 80s. He now plays a 20k gold Nagahara. They are made in Boston.

@meriharary Жыл бұрын

He owns at least 20 flutes! He has a video where he samples them all!

@meriharary Жыл бұрын

How do these flutes sound compared to gold? Just curious.

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

With gold there is a difference because gold is heavier so you can't have a flute that is too heavy. As far as I know gold flutes are only one thickness.

@mattkosma3271 2 жыл бұрын

What models are the Miyazawa and the Muramatsu?

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

The Miyazawa is a PB-202 and the Muramatsu is a DS model.

@dcallan812 2 жыл бұрын

The wall thinkness and material's used will both have an effect, but just how much? You would need to spend time with the diffrent instruments and not just an hour in the shop. Guess thats where the Flute Center of New York helps. 👍

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, with the amount of options everyone has these days you could spend months narrowing down to the right flute. But having a couple that you can have inside your own house to hear and work with is the best option. Your embouchure needs to adjust to the different sounds as well.

@dcallan812 2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFlute very true wish I had that chance when I upgraded, but I cant complain. 👍👍

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely know more about what flute would be good for me then when I actually picked my flute out 20 years ago. But like you I can't complain.

@Humbardi Жыл бұрын

where is the gold raiser ?

@DoctorFlute Жыл бұрын

You can't see the riser. This is a piece that connects the lip plate to the head. While you can't see this piece it really makes a huge difference.

@Titanandenceladus 2 жыл бұрын

So If I'm reading the description of the Haynes correctly, it has a thinwall body but a standard wall headjoint, is that correct?

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

Yes that sounds correct. Do you like that combination?

@Titanandenceladus 2 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong I think you sounded beautiful on all flutes, it just seems a little weird not pairing a thinwall body with a thinwall headjoint.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

I get it. That just happened to be what FCNY sent me.

@bobblues1158 2 жыл бұрын

Heavy for my taste. The more dolce sound will be the sound that actually projects out to the listener. Unless one is playing outdoors in a marching band. As far as ease of articulation- practice makes the world go round.

@DoctorFlute 2 жыл бұрын

And so it does!