“When God desires to do something, and puts his effort into doing it, it gets done.” So what if God desires for us to freely comes to him? What if he desires us to give us a real chance to love him and to put our faith in him noncalvinistically?
@STRvideos2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the questions! We invite you to call in to our weekly broadcast to discuss your thoughts with Greg. He'd love to hear from you. www.str.org/broadcast
@nicholascarter6543 Жыл бұрын
Right???
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
Heresy! :) sounds too biblical and easy to understand
@youngsterjoey90383 ай бұрын
"No one can come to me unless My Father draws him"
@youngsterjoey90383 ай бұрын
@@rocketsurgeon1746 There is nothing biblical about Free Will to Salvation
@georgiapeach3109 Жыл бұрын
I am a Christian Universalist. Isn't hard for me. Because we know that what GOD desires, he gets. But as a Calvinist, you HAVE to reject this! 1 Corinthians 15:28 "GOD will be ALL IN ALL!"✝️❤️
@JohnChaffeeTalks Жыл бұрын
I just made a video about how one day every knee will bow and every tongue will "openly and joyfully profess, without reservation." I agree with you, but more importantly, so does the Koine Greek New Testament!
@someperson95362 жыл бұрын
God commands everyone to repent and to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think this is what is meant by God desiring the salvation of everyone.
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right! It is a command just like God commands other impossible things, like the greatest commandment to love Him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength! As the standard of perfection, God commands all sorts of things that He knows are impossible for us to do (holiness, perfection, repentance, faith, etc.).
@mogx25869 ай бұрын
So blessed to have found STR university thank you guys.
@joshuastoltzfus49102 жыл бұрын
I love his answer. I always used the terms ordained vs. permitted. God sometimes permits His will to be done or not, and sometimes ordains His will to happen.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
Bad answer
@tomhitchcock81956 ай бұрын
Only in the sense that He is not mean. He doesn’t enjoy the death of the wicked, but He will not necessarily stop it
@ricksonora66562 жыл бұрын
Greg made the explanation easy to understand, but he has a powerful basis for it. The Greek uses two different words translated ”will.” One means desire, and the other means a chosen outcome for which He will do whatever it takes to accomplish. God desires all to be saved; and He has chosen some that He will do whatever it takes to save.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
Wrong. He is wrong. God can have a will and in that will is the free will of the creature. This makes more sense in every area than a bipolar god
@ricksonora66566 ай бұрын
@@rocketsurgeon1746 I can cite chapter, verse, and Greek word to reason from scripture to position. It sounds like you start with the conclusion (unlimited free will) and reason in a circle. Would you care to elaborate and dispel my suspicion? By your reasoning, if you want to eat ice cream but refrained from doing so because you want to maintain your weight (or any other reason), you are bipolar. Your rhetorical use of the term ‘bipolar’ is uncalled for.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@ricksonora6656 funny analogy 😂 what is the equivalent in your analogy to wanting to avoid weight? Is it bad for ALL to be saved like love handles? would it affect God in a negative way to say all via calv election? We both have access to scripture and greek my friend.
@ricksonora66566 ай бұрын
@@rocketsurgeon1746 Why, when I suspect that you eisegete rather than exegete, do reply about access? The right weight is a matter of balance and purpose. A rock climber or marathon runner would see your bringing up love handles as hyperbole. One analogy to avoiding ice cream would be a desire to demonstrate holiness, righteous judgment, and justice. Another, from your perspective, would be refraining from violating free will. Here’s a logical consequence of your comment: It “would affect Gods in a negative way” if He doesn’t save everyone. He doesn’t. So, God is affected in a negative way. Your argument implies an assumption that something that affects God in a negative way must be untrue. Have you ever heard of the Cross? It further implies that, to avoid being affected negatively, God must save all. Are you a Universalist? And if you are a Universalist, doesn’t that mean God violates the free will of those who reject salvation? Advice: Your reasoning is a can of worms. Learn to spell out arguments positively instead of posing rhetorical questions. It will help you identify assumptions, tangents, and illogical consequences.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@ricksonora6656 but what was the cross for? To be a negative or positive? Though it was graphic, it was the greatest gift ever so ALL could be saved :) Is universalism the only option you see to your stance? What if an omnipotent, omniscient God decided to give free will to His creatures so He knew who really loved Him? Is your god sovereign enough to do that?
@nickpeychev Жыл бұрын
It’s Gods will men do not sin sexually but he will not force you not to sin sexually It’s Gods will all men be saved but he will not force all men to repent, he wants men to humble themselves before God and He will save ALL who do
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
How easy. Must be heresy! Jk Thanks :)
@angloaust15752 жыл бұрын
The general call to repent is preached However is it only effectual in the elect Obviously god is not in debt to any It's a marvel he saved some!
@jessebryant92332 жыл бұрын
In that case, God has ZERO desire that most be saved. He created them for the purpose of eternal damnation. Loving God? Contradiction? Hm...
@angloaust15752 жыл бұрын
Obviously God has his purposes in saving some but we cant fathom his overall plan.as he gave people freewill to choose their path in life Salvation is a gift to the few he has chosen but their is a price to pay Giving up certain things and being despised and rejected as jesus was Not all are willing to walk the narrow road! Many prefer the broad road with its fame and wealth and other pleasures!
@nicholascarter65432 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 right?? Wow!.. Might as well command a new-born baby to run a marathon but since the infant CANNOT even CRAWL he/she will be thrown into fire to burn FOREVER because God did not enable them to do what He commanded them to do in the first place. Calvinism is stupid and makes God a monster and scripture is clear that God is not a monster or evil. We wouldn’t do that AND we are SINNERS!! How much less would God NOT DO THAT?? God is the Savior of ALL,especially those who believe. 1Timothy 4:10!!
@jessebryant92332 жыл бұрын
@@angloaust1575 Your position calls God a liar. (Ezekiel 33:11, 2 Peter 3:9) As for "free-will", well, God either determines things or he does not. You can't have it both ways. As for your other comments, you're just talking wheat and tears, bud. But thanks for stating the obvious. Many have a form of godliness...
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
So it isn' the reprobate's fault? Makes sense in calvinism
@truthbyjesus Жыл бұрын
Deceiving pastors portray God as a loving mother who will always runs after you and never cuts you off-they mislead you by calling this the goodness of God. But God’s goodness is NOT trying to save rebellious sinners from going to Hell. The true goodness of God is giving you a chance to turn away from sin. We have a limited chance to obey the truth when it is revealed to us. Love the truth by repenting of sin, otherwise God himself will blind you and your chance for repentance will be over. Scripture says God actively works to deceive unrepentant sinners to believe a lie so that they will be damned to Hell. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 says, “…because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause GOD shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should believe a LIE: That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
@unclepauliestl Жыл бұрын
This answer makes a lot of sense to me. I have not heard it explained in this fashion. The Calvinist view has never sat well with me at all. This though sounds more accurately what a all loving but just God would do. Regardless I trust in him no matter what!
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
Well evidently you do not understand the Calvinist view, since that is the BIBLICAL view. This verse, 1 Timothy 2:4 is not a universal salvation verse. You need to start reading at verse one and go all the way to verse six. Verse two defines who the ALL MEN are: KINGS AND THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY.
@mogx25869 ай бұрын
These are the snipes at each other that turn people off. Was there a way to get this point across without so curt a response?
@unclepauliestl9 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870thanks for your loving kindness and understanding in your response. We can be better than this. There is much better ways to have a conversation than speaking from such a righteous point of view, I assure you. It’s also a biblical view Jesus warned very harshly against self righteousness
@alihoussney78709 ай бұрын
@@unclepauliestl whatever you do, do not read verses out of context.
@unclepauliestl6 ай бұрын
@Alex-dx5fq more self righteous Calvinist’s venom! Thanks for being a kind brother to your fellow believers. It’s not calvanism that destroys your pride my friend. It’s the gospel. That’s biblical.
@rafaelshumaker18832 жыл бұрын
God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The key here is the phrase "all should come", which indicates that the will of the individual is allowed to defy what God wants. God only calls those who will be saved. How? He is eternal, existing all throughout time, from the beginning of time to the end of time, and even outside of time, since he is the creator of the universe, and is the source of the entire space-time continuum, which means time does not limit him, but has its limits set by him. And because he exists simultaneously all throughout time, then even at the creation, when he lays the foundations of the earth, he already exists in eternity future, where he has known me all of my existence. That is how he foreknows me, and predestines me, and calls me, from the beginning of creation. Even though we are bound by time, he is the eternal God who is not bound by time, but rather holds eternity in the palm of his hand.
@GregS4Jesus2 жыл бұрын
Everything God wants will happen, just not at any one time, not on our time frame. How can we say God will not do all of His pleasure? The Bible says He will do all of His pleasure, it does not in any way exclude His desire for all to be saved, so we should expect that God will accomplish all His desires, including the salvation of all, especially since Gos so loved the world that He gave us Jesus, and nothing is impossible with God, nothing means nothing, clearly, God can do anything.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
What id God desires us to have free will to make a true choice?
@343jonny Жыл бұрын
The breaking down of God's will into two senses is exactly what debunks Greg's Reformed Theology. On Calvinism, nothing can stop God's will. He accomplishes all he desires (which would include that all people be saved). This is most easily seen by asking Greg the question "Then WHY aren't all people saved if God desires them all to be?" This is the crucial question and the Calvinist really has no answer for it because that would be admitting that man has genuine freedom to resist God's will (Resistible Grace). So, to Greg's last statement, I say YES, this question DOES still pose a problem for the Reformed thinker. The best and most Biblical explanation I see is that not all people are saved because some people freely resist the offer of grace given to all people at all times.
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
Oh be quiet, you do not understand Calvinism. The Calvinistic view matches perfectly with what Greg says in this video.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
Be quiet cause that makes too much sense. I prefer to blame God for my sins and decisions to rebel :)
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870 the problem is, we do understand calv. That is why we reject it. God isn't bipolar. Free will given by God is the perfect answer
@alihoussney78706 ай бұрын
@@rocketsurgeon1746 calvinism is the gospel. Free will is derived from paganism.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870 read ez18, brother. It is clear that the wicked can become righteous and the righteous can become wicked. All based on their will. Ez18:21But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. Ez18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered
@seymourbutts4654 Жыл бұрын
There must not be enough room in heaven for everyone.
@TheHumbuckerboy Жыл бұрын
lol
@brooksellis3891 Жыл бұрын
I spent seven years researching Christianity and followed that up by talking to Christians for forty years. If God wants me to become a Christian why hasn't He had me cross paths with someone who will answer my questions?
@STRvideos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question Brooks. STR believes there are answers available, but not every question can be answered. This recent podcast may help. See Greg and Amy's answer to "How would you respond to someone who doesn’t see how Jesus could be God and wants every question answered before he can fully commit to believing Christianity is true?" www.str.org/w/-strask-how-can-i-keep-from-looking-legalistic-on-social-media- We invite you to call in to our weekly broadcast to discuss your thoughts with Greg Koukl. He'd love to hear from you. Or you can submit an #STRask question. Visit www.str.org/broadcast for details.
@brooksellis3891 Жыл бұрын
@@STRvideos : I was unable to access the podcast. And I get the impression you are simply brushing off my questions instead of trying to find out what they are. Why, then, would I want to join your religion?
@farmboy5622 Жыл бұрын
Everything is in God's timing. But in the meantime, continue to pray about it, and prepare your heart. Sounds like you are heading in the correct direction. I was almost 46 years old before my eyes were opened.
@brooksellis3891 Жыл бұрын
@farmboy5622 : after the seven years of research I spent 40 years talking to Christians. If Jesus wants me to become a Christian why hasn't He arranged for me to meet someone who will convince me?
@farmboy5622 Жыл бұрын
@@brooksellis3891 I don't think you listened to a word I said. Go back and read my answer. Are you trying to be in control, or are you going to allow God to be in control??? It is our human nature to want everything now. We hate being told to wait.
@nikitaballas76022 жыл бұрын
God is the saviour of all men especially those that believe. This overlooked truth of the gospel (eventually in the ages to come Christ will save all mankind and God will be All in All) reconciles free will and election. Christian Universalism resolves all 'contradictions' and removes all the dark clouds of doubt haunting every believer regarding the goodness and power of God. Will only a few be saved? With God all things are possible!
@chasechilders85422 жыл бұрын
Right around the 3:25 mark, he talked about why Christian Universalism (that all will be saved) is not the case. To add to that, Revelation 20:15 says: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
@AlpacaLipps2 жыл бұрын
TRUTH! God saves ALL. Why do people hate this message?
@nikitaballas76022 жыл бұрын
the highly symbolic imagery in Revelation like Lake of fire & second death as well as other expressions like gehenna fire etc, can easily be interpreted in harmony with universal salvation. After all, the carnal mind (flesh) must be destroyed. So obviously those that do not make the cut as the elect (many are called few are chosen...) will suffer great loss and will be subject to punishment and ruin but God still promises that in the end He will destroy sin and save all humans. The Scriptures that affirm universal salvation (the big picture of God's plan) are numerous and plainly stated. The only way to avoid contradictions is to interpret all the "judgement" Scriptures as the temporary means used by God to accomplish His ultimate will (to save all).
@chasechilders85422 жыл бұрын
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
@ricksonora66562 жыл бұрын
@@AlpacaLipps People hate the message for lots of reasons. I don’t like it because it requires bad hermeneutics to fall for it, it makes God unjust, and it violates the free will of those who choose to reject salvation.
@elusive4072 Жыл бұрын
Or God desires all men to be saved because he is love but His greater desire is for His glory and he will be glorified through his mercy and his justice.
@robertfine20492 жыл бұрын
Yes, and how many angels dance on the head of a theologian? Does he believe what he says because it is true? Or is is true because he believes it?
@karekvangarsnes3169 Жыл бұрын
It's impossible for Christians to believe God's word that He will have everyone saved , not now, but after His own timing, as long as they keep believing the tradition of men that those who do not believe in Him in this life will be sent to an everlasting torture chamber. Before you unlearn this lie, you cannot believe in a just, all-loving and merciful God. The basis for the salvation of all is the work of Christ at the cross where He took away the sin of not only the believer , but the sin of the whole world. Official Christendom explains away these truths. The unbelievers and people at large stay ignorant about this because of the teachings of official Christendom.
@TheSavioursServant Жыл бұрын
Yes God is willing for all to come to repentance and be saved. That is why it says He is calling all men everywhere to come to repentance for a Day comes when He will judge all men. Acts 17:30-31. He is the Savior of all men but not all are willing to do His will. Indeed when you sin you did not do His will. It is no more complicated than this. If it was His will that all men would repent all men would repent. But that is not His will. His will is that all men come to repentance and do His will. Not the same thing.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
So, free will given by a sovereign God?
@jayahladas6922 жыл бұрын
Behold I stand at the door and knock. If you don't answer it I'm going to beat the door down..
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
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@jayahladas6922 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend Souls are judged “according to their deeds” at the upcoming Judgment Seat of Christ and White Throne Judgment, That shows that there HAS to be free will, for souls to be responsible for their actions, otherwise having varying degrees of reward or punishment would be impossible. If our actions were predetermined, why have judgment? They would be Kangaroo courts and God would be unjust, which is not possible. If God made us in His image, wouldn’t He pass on free will, also? Would He make free will an illusion?
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
@@jayahladas692 I would respectfully disagree. There's just too many scriptures stating that God changes our hearts at His good pleasure and that faith in Him is His doing, independent of our will. Folks just can not accept this. For some reason, they just assume that it can not be true, and won't allow the God of Scripture to be who He is. Your argument is EXACTLY what Paul deals with in Romans 9. "God. how can you judge me for something YOU are responsible for?" It's trying to subject God to human wisdom instead of the other way around. These types of objections have been answered scores of times over the centuries with clear biblical reasoning, but folks bring it up as if they've discovered something new. There is real depth to this topic that requires folks to resist their "knee jerk" tendencies and really look at what God has to say about Himself in both the Old and New Testament. I encourage you to not dismiss great teachers like Calvin, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Edwards, and Sproul out of hand, but rather to allow their arguments a fair hearing. Challenge yourself to identify where they have contradicted the overall testimony of Scripture, regarding the nature of God, the nature of man, and the nature and work of Christ. It's worth praying about, brother. Blessings.
@jayahladas6922 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend The dichotomy between the free will and predeterminism has gone on for centuries, back to Augustine and beyond, and will continue, I am sure. I also see so many instances in scripture of man's directive of responsibility to decide: believe, trust, choose, have faith, accept, whosoever, repent, etc. God being outside of time, I don't see how the two perspectives can be reconciled this side of heaven. I just trust God that both are true and leave it in His hands to resolve. I do think that much of the difference in views is from not properly separating the definite sovereignty used by God in his purposes for elect Israel (As you can see in Rom9) from that of personal salvation. I still don't see how the degrees of "according to their deeds" can be fairly judged if all free choices one makes is not taken into account, and why "in his image" would not include free will, but just be a devious "illusion". One day we'll know. Let God be true. Maranatha
@angloaust15752 жыл бұрын
The word all means all sorts of people not just confined to one race!
@bjornegan64212 жыл бұрын
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." is 'any' not directly referring to 'all' here?
@angloaust15752 жыл бұрын
@@bjornegan6421 Kjv says usward referring to the elect But we dont know who the elect are So all are commanded to repent!
@bjornegan64212 жыл бұрын
@@angloaust1575 i don't know what you are trying to say about 'usward'. i'm saying 'all' obviously does not mean 'all sorts of people', in reference to 'not just confined to one race', as you put it because in that verse we see 'all' related to 'any'. 'any' doesn't fit in your thought of 'all' referring to 'all races'. all being commanded to repent is irrelevant as far as whether we knew who the elect are.
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
@@bjornegan6421 I think both Greg Koukl and James White do a good job in dealing with this passage. Again, one can hold the reformed view and simply see the words "not wishing" the same as desiring, as Greg was talking about. However, both Koukl and White point out that there's also an argument to be made from the text that Peter is addressing the church directly, from start to finish. God's promise to who? Us. God's patience toward who? Us. All of who? All of Us. It's consistent. God is being very patient, waiting to bring all of his sheep into the sheepfold, so that none of them perish, as Jesus promised. It's a very reasonable argument to make, just following the consistent flow of the text.
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
@@faelor03 Frank, have you not read the myriad of commentaries and lectures dedicated to explaining what passages like this mean? They don't just merely assert something. They explain it, as well, and none of them try to suggest that "whole world" doesn't mean whole world. Rather they make the case that in contemporary evangelicalism, there is a hasty assumption being made that "whole world" automatically means every single human being in history- past, present, and future. They make the case that this assumption is an emotional leap, rather than an exegetical one that arises from the overall testimony of Scripture. I tend to agree, based on the reasons people give. The doctrine of definite or ACTUAL atonement seems to provoke a visceral response of disgust, even before it's explained. And in that state of disgust, the offended party immediately goes looking for verses that seem to suggest it can't be true. But when those verses are shown by the reformed believer to not be the "silver bullet" they think, the reformed believer is accused of reading something into them, as if the passage is to be understood as automatically supporting the provisionist point of view, by default. That's an erroneous assumption. The same accusation could just as easily be leveled at the provisionist. What breaks the tie is what doctrinal system allows the overall testimony of Scripture to hold together most harmoniously. I contend it is the position that the atonement doesn't just make a provision of atonement for every single soul in the history of the world, but rather ACTUALLY atones perfectly for everyone for whom it was made. When God's wrath was removed from us, that was IT. It was removed. Jesus took it. That can't be true for everyone, because many in Hell will experience the same wrath that Jesus supposedly already experienced on their behalf. So God punishes His son AND those in hell? He pours out His wrath toward the condemned sinner TWICE? This is what you're left with when you embrace provisionism. However, if you believe the biblical teaching that Jesus' atonement was a perfecting work that actually SAVES forever those for whom it was made, then clearly that can't apply to everyone. But for some reason, this really upsets folks and they go scrambling for verses that support a theological framework that results in conundrums like the one that I just laid out, and there are others, as well. That said, Christ and the apostles were consistently reminding His disciples that Jesus wasn't just the Savior of the Jews or the Gentiles or this group of people or that group of people or this nation or that nation. He was the savior of EVERY tribe, tongue, and nation in every corner of the globe. That's all that John is saying here. He's echoing similar statements made by Jesus, Paul and Peter. Perfectly reasonable, perfectly consistent with Scripture, once again demonstrating the beauty and harmony of the teachings of Christ and the apostles. I find it sad that believers hate the idea that the cross actually SAVES. They just can't stand that we play no part in that. Somehow, we have to take part of the credit. Pride doesn't die after regeneration, that's for sure.
@andrewglessner93552 жыл бұрын
Great vid... I think someone is playing geometry dash in the background...
@seymourbutts4654 Жыл бұрын
If Hitler gave his life to Jesus instead of committing suicide he'd be in heaven right now.
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
Yes, he would. Christ's blood can take away the sins of ANYONE who comes to Him in faith and repentance. But Hitler committed suicide so I am not so sure he repented and had faith before he died.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
So, he proves free will given by a sovereign God. Whenever a person has to dance around a subject and give a ten minute explanation on something clearly states multiple times in scripture, they are full of it. Stop with the bipolar, two wills of God. Wake up
@andrewstidham7950 Жыл бұрын
Yes I think he does but not all is gonna be you have to know his Son and there is no other person and name on this planet that gets fought more then Jesus. He who has the Son has the Father he has not the Son the wrath of God abides in him....
@Bryanrikiardo2 жыл бұрын
Calvinism= contradiction
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
How does one possibly respond to that well-reasoned objection?
@sierragrey79102 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could explain?
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
Amen, contrary to scripture. Calvinism is another theological attack on the nature of God
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
Any Calvinists here? Quick question, do you have freewill?
@sierragrey79102 жыл бұрын
@@twaho the question is not “do you have any free will.” Of course we do. The question is, “How free is your will?”
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
People who reject the doctrines of grace do so in the same way that cults reject the Trinity. Cults point to all the verses that supposedly prove that Jesus can't be God, not realizing that if that is proved true, the gospel itself no longer makes sense and the Old Testament prophets were frauds. In a similar manner, folks who reject the doctrines of grace by pointing to a handful of verses don't realize that if they're correct in their interpretation, they have now created deep theological conundrums that don't allow the whole of Scripture to hold together in harmony. They need to humbly wrestle through the problems that reformed theology SEEMS to create on the surface, and table the knee jerk reaction long enough to go a bit deeper to see the picture of God glorifying himself through not only the redemption of souls, but the punishment of sin. There needs to be a genuine willingness to "lean not on your own understanding" and just let the God of Scripture reveal Himself to be who He is. Everything (good and evil) exists for His glory and by His sovereign hand. Everyone who is drawn to the Son is raised by the Son, and only those to whom God chooses to reveal the Son can come to Him. Jesus could not have been more clear. It's His sovereign work according to His will and it has as much to do with our will as where and when the wind blows, according to Jesus. Furthermore, Jesus' work on the cross was a perfecting work that actually removed the wrath of God from everyone for whom He died. It didn't just make that POSSIBLE or AVAILABLE. It accomplished it. The sins of God's people were nailed to the cross, never to be remembered against them and Timothy reminds us that Jesus now lives to make intercession for them. As our High Priest, Jesus is not only redeemer, but intercessor. For whom Christ dies, He also intercedes. That's His role as High Priest. How can this possibly apply to every single human being? Can Jesus' intercession possibly fail? The theology here is rich and powerful tying together the Old and New Testament perfectly. I pray that we will simply let Scripture speak, and bow the knee.
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
I believe calvinism is an attack on the nature of God
@truthseeker56982 жыл бұрын
….. the disgraceful doctrines …..Augustine and his echo man John Calvin do not reflect Jesus Christ , Gods son. These 2 certainty are categorized by 2 Corinthians 11:12-15….. think not? both purported babies in hell…., you really think Jesus Christ , Gods son, is glorified by this??….. disgraceful , abhorrent , nothing like the savior Jesus. Lord have mercy!
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
@@truthseeker5698 Folks who embrace reformed doctrine don't necessarily agree with everything Augustine or Calvin taught. To throw out everything I mentioned in my previous post because of this sideshow you decided to fixate upon, is lazy. I couldn't care less what Calvin or Augustine believed about babies in hell. I only care what the whole of Scripture teaches about the character of God, the purpose of evil, and what Christ accomplished on the cross. Whether or not I get it is irrelevant. All I want to know is what the whole of Scripture teaches. Any disciple of Christ should echo those words.
@truthseeker56982 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend and the god of reformed theology, calvinism etc, when brought to its conclusion, looks more like materialism or Allah than Jesus Christ. Sideshow?fixate? lol, you're funny. but you believe you have no choice, so determined you are. What a way to live .....
@truthseeker56982 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend I couldn't care less what Calvin or Augustine believed about babies in hell........yet your reformed? calvinist? and the very spring of this comes from Augustine, and John Calvin , Answer the question, Do you really think Jesus Christ would be glorified by babies in hell?? Step up and answer if you're willing....., I mean if God has willed you to.......trying to meet you where you are.......lol
@joemonoco19772 жыл бұрын
You may be missing one crucial point. You say "it's not going to happen" that all will be saved? How do you know that? Since the end of all things has not yet happened, how can you possibly know? "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess" indicated that all will be saved in the end.
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
Quick answer, yes but we have freewill and God doesn't force us to eternal life
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
This is probably useless, but for what it's worth, I'll ask. Where are you getting this idea of God forcing something on us?
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend Calvinisim
@heartofalegend2 жыл бұрын
@@twaho You're either lying or self-deceived. You didn't read anything or hear anything from Calvin, Knox, Whitfield, Owen, Spurgeon or Sproul or any other reputable reformed theologian that said what you're claiming. You my friend have drunk someone's Kool-Aid. Don't misrepresent reformed theology. Whether it's Calvinism or Arminianism, there needs to be a civil discourse and honest representation of the position you're attempting to refute. You don't seem capable or willing to do that. That needs to change.
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
@@heartofalegend Was it God's will for Adam to deceive and does God, according to calvinistic rheology, predestinate people to hell without choice?
@twaho2 жыл бұрын
I believe such doctrines are heresy, an attack on the nature of God diminishing of God's mercy and grace to 'all'.
@lwdcourt2 жыл бұрын
Two things... 1) I cannot see any case that stands scrutiny for God's sovereign will to protect anyone from their choice on whether to receive salvation. The verses most often used to make such an argument like "Those He predestined..." actually misunderstand that the bible often speaks from one of two perspectives.... i) God's perspective ii) Man's perspective. From God's perspective EVERYTHING is foreknown and in that sense predestined. This does not mean God predecided. It just means He knew beforehand who would accept His grace of salvation and knowing that He planned accordingly. 2) Common Sense. The term rankles me because it's use is non-sensical! "Common Sense" has come to mean a high level of logic when the reality the term means "sense" that is "common" and, therefore, is extremely low! To make this problem clear, consider the common phrase, "The problem is that common sense isn't so common" when the opposite should be said, "The problem is that commons sense is common"
@bjornegan64212 жыл бұрын
are you sure you aren't coming at both of your points with a presupposition and bias? well, we all do for most things, but that's not what i mean. I'm going to attempt to answer both of your points. This isn't me saying YOU'RE WRONG, it's me providing reasoning behind the points that you say don't stand scrutiny that I think do stand scrutiny. it 'seems' to me that what you are alleging is illogical. 1) God does not protect anyone from their choice on 'whether to receive salvation'. instead, we all have chosen, in our natural state, dead, to not choose salvation. the Bible explicitly says, 1 Corinthians 2:14: " But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.". So, i'd ask you, what is a 'natural man', and what is the 'other' kind of man, if there is one? well, what is default? is the natural man that which is 'natural'? as in, default, standard, in accordance with its character, etc. is it natural for the natural man to be natural? i am just trying to expand on what 'natural' means. so, is every human born in a 'natural' state? what does that mean? does it not mean one who is spiritually dead? does one who is spiritually dead seek God? can he? is this what John 3 is about? that 'you must be born again'? i'm going to continue assuming the answers that we're all spiritually dead naturally. we all choose sin. we deny God and seek sin, naturally. we are sin because we ARE sinners, not we are sinners because we sin. only a sinner can sin. it is natural for a sinner to sin, it is not natural for a sinner to not sin. so how does one who is an enemy of God, one who loves sin and hates God, one who is dead spiritually come to be alive spiritually and go from hating God and loving sin to loving God and hating sin? how does that person go from not accepting the things of the Spirit of God, to thinking the cross is foolishness, to accepting the things of God and the cross being the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:18). It seems that something must change. can we do that ourselves? the Bible says no, so if you say yes, you must prove it with Scripture. So, building off all that, it is not God protecting anyone from 'their choice', as you suggested. which i cannot comprehend where you would get such an idea. It is God overriding the natural choice of a man to not choose God and instead choose sin. None seek after God. if it was not for this 'election', or 'predestination', none would choose God, would they? could they? 2) you are redefining the phrase 'common sense'. i'd say you are redefining 'predestined' as well. it's interesting to go from a specific word with a specific meaning, to then apply the concept you are suggesting to then redefine words in order to dismiss the meaning of them and ignore the context in which they are found. How does your concept work with very distinct verses such as Acts 13:48?
@lwdcourt2 жыл бұрын
@@bjornegan6421 1) Having read and re-read your answer, it seems you missed the point... ie. God's perspective and man's perspective. In a real sense you are right that man's natural state is to choose sin and not choose salvation. The acceptance of salvation involves two parts.... i) God's revelation ii) Man's acceptance of that revelation. How else do we explain that not all are being saved and yet "he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." If man plays no part in the acceptance of salvation because he is predestined then why is God who is all powerful and wishes all to come to repentance unable to do so? 1Co 2:14.. is written from man's perspective and more specifically from a man who has received the Spirit, and I think the implication is clear. i.e. that the person who has received the Spirit, received it! We cannot have the Spirit UNLESS we receive the Spirit. ..but let's be even more specific.... any man who truly desires to know God will in some measure repent of their sin and accept the need of a Savior and thence receive the revelation of the full measure of sin, the full measure of the price paid and the full knowledge that Christ is Lord. Again how else do we explain God's desire that none be lost yet some are lost... (through their choice) 2) Redefining the phrase "common sense". Actually I'm not! Many writers way before me having argued that the term has changed away from the reality that it is formed of two words "common" and "sense". Let's put it this way. On the spectrum of sense, with "no sense" being one extreme and "ultra sense" being the other, where does "common sense" lie? The way the term is mostly used it's synonymous with "ultra sense".. i.e the highest form of sense. Frankly, that is self-evidently non-sense, not least because the term is used so commonly by people who cannot even aspire to having "ultra sense". Acts 13:48. If you're going to use the simple English translation and cling to the word "anoint" then you are going to struggle with reconciling predestination with various scriptures. However, if you examine the actual word used here "tassō" you'll see that it does not easily translate to "annont". 1 Corinthians 16:15 for example shows it is translated as "devoted". Irrespective, even if we accept the terminology that suggests believers were "appointed", it's easily explained. EVERYONE who chose had the right heart/attitude was "anointed" and everyone who didn't wasn't. It was their choice whether to have the right heart/attitude or not... as evidenced by the Jews who didn't. Isn't that the whole context and purpose of Acts 13. Let's put it this way, I think the inference is clear, that if the Jews had had the right heart/attitude then they would have been saved and thus "anointed"
@bjornegan64212 жыл бұрын
@@lwdcourt where does a man get the desire to know God? you did redefine common sense. using what 'writers' say about it is irrelevant. Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
@lwdcourt2 жыл бұрын
@@bjornegan6421 Now you're getting ridiculous Where does a man get ANY desire, good or evil? Pray show us where the 'official' definition of PHRASES is to be found so that I may see when it was first defined! I explained Acts 13... did you not read or you just want to stick with simple but flawed English translations?
@bjornegan64212 жыл бұрын
@@lwdcourt i'm not sure why you are using the word 'anoint'
@paulrivalto1974 Жыл бұрын
God desires all men to be saved! 1 Timothy 2:3-6 : This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. God desires that none should perish; 2 Peter 3:9- The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. ( Luke 13:3&5 )
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
Do not take those verses out of context. Neither one of them supports universal salvation.
@paulrivalto197411 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870 - You are correct! These verses of truth do not support universal salvation. Then by no means am I presenting them in that way! They are presented simply as they are! Yet, our Bibles are a full narrative of what God has gifted us in His Word and word! Jesus Himself said this: " I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man can come to the Father but by Me. " John 14:6...... yet, it gets even narrower than this because of these words Christ also taught: " For this reason I have said to you; " No one can come unto Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." John 6:65. Then Christ gave us this bold statement: " Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it." Matthew 7:13-14. God does desire for all to come to repentance and then belief in His only begotten Son. Yet, God has determined, because He loves us, that will be a choice we all make because we desire relationship with He and His Son Jesus above all else. Religion will only deceive you into being satisfied with religion. Christ's promise is to give us life, and that life more abundant. John 10:10 b.
@paulrivalto197411 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870 - Yesssss...... whosoever will throw off all else; religion, tradition, themselves, their own worldly desires, for the chance and opportunity to " Know " God through Christ "! Jesus prayed this: " This is eternal life, that they may know You the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. " John 17:3. " Know " here is the Greek word Ginosko meaning to gain personal knowledge in an ever deepening relationship with God through Christ coupled with the confirming knowledge of scripture truth. Always Both/And never Either/Or.
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@alihoussney7870 universalism isn't the only other option. Think it thru. A sovereign God that allows for free will of the creature shows far more love, power and blameworthiness
@rocketsurgeon17466 ай бұрын
@@paulrivalto1974 thank you! Not sure how else we can clearly refute calvinism
@alihoussney787011 ай бұрын
1 Timothy 2:4 is one of the most MISUNDERSTOOD passages, even by fellow Reformed and/or Calvinist people, of which I am. That verse is talking about KINDS of men, KINGS and PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY. Verse two defines the word "all" in verse four. Then in verse six Jesus becomes the mediator. He would be failing if He mediates for those in Hell. This is not a universal salvation verse. God desires all kinds of men to be saved, not all people without exception.