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Does Matrix "All-in-One" Streamers do ENOUGH (to be called "streamers") ? .

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Jay's iyagi

Jay's iyagi

Күн бұрын

I was able to get the Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 and Element i hifi streamer/dac to test out in my audiophile system. But is it 2x better than the bluesound node 2i or Pecan pi streamers?
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@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you had a good start to the week ! Comments will not show up right away, don’t be offended. This comment section is monitored/filtered for spams, links and uncivilized bullshit. 👍 Matrix Audio: www.matrix-digi.com/en/products/489.html mentioned in this video: Pecan pi: orchardaudio.com/shop/ols/products/pcnp-strmr innuos zen mini mk 3: innuos.com/zen_mini_mk3/ bluesound node 2i: amzn.to/3jCMv91 bluesound powernode: amzn.to/3Bh01Fr
@neilsnyder7915
@neilsnyder7915 Жыл бұрын
Just got a Matric I3-Pro. Unbelievably good. Great value for the money! So glad to find a high quality Roon Ready dac with BT for so little money.
@yogiwp_
@yogiwp_ 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, the Mini-i Pro 3 has been getting good or at least decent reviews in the past. The problem is its pricing is not competitive for what it offers. Anyways, glad to see differing opinions.
@WHo-vf1oz
@WHo-vf1oz 2 жыл бұрын
The debate really comes down to if you want seperates or integrated. And if you like integrated does the product have the feature set for you. I wanted integrated to keep my desktop setup nice and clean. I was looking for topping d50 level of neutral sounding dac, with a superior clean sounding yet silent pre amp section. The mini is fully balanced internally and has balanced pre-out for my power amps. Airplay2 (not 1) is rare out there but a must have for me. Really decent balanced headphone amp output a perfect match for my planars was just a added bonus. I struggle to think why i would need balanced input or digital outputs for 90% of users. This review seems negatively biased from the start but this type of product is a speciality product that can fit specific use needs and not mentioned at all in the review.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. All reviews are biased as is your opinion. I stated my bias and (opinion) why I do not like the unit honestly and truthfully. In addition, I want me integrated units (especially the dac portion) to be upgradeable in the future if need be. I hate being “stuck” Thanks !
@robinator3202
@robinator3202 2 жыл бұрын
I just got my minipro a few weeks ago and am truly enjoying it. I keep it on my night stand with Focal Clears, it’s compact, nice looking, nor cords to look at and it streams my music via Roon. Is there a better sounding all in one? Maybe so. It’s a thumbs up for me.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
@@robinator3202 glad you like it ! 👍
@WHo-vf1oz
@WHo-vf1oz 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi its cool. Definately not a device for everyone. No such thing exists or this hobby will get boring. Just saying there are people like us who needs integrateds that this device can fit very well and dont mind being stuck with it for a while. Same reason why people buy integrated amps, not the best but mostly good enough! Good debate cheers!
@robinator3202
@robinator3202 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi thx Jay, I’ve been a fan of your reviews and channels for a few years. Keep up the good work.
@riccitone
@riccitone 2 жыл бұрын
Still find it better to go with dedicated streamer and dedicated dac. Would be great to hear your impression on something like a Pi2AES streamer with Ethernet/wifi into I2s, or coax, or optical, or AES into dac of choice.
@riccitone
@riccitone 2 жыл бұрын
@@_kardus Well, the idea of a galvanically isolated hat attached like allo digione or the Pi2AES (along with moOde or Volumio) is to actually get away from/bypass the pitfalls and challenges of usb noise/jitter issues associated with computer sources. Going with something like I2s or even coax out tends to be better for this, on the average. But a really serious dac with a well designed usb circuit/chips (latest amanero or Xmos) can sound excellent. Still, even a hat attached to an rpi sent to a good dac will usually outshine straight usb, unless extra effort is made to reclock etc.
@robh9079
@robh9079 2 жыл бұрын
I run Logic, can set up/run a mutli mike session, set up complex PA system, fluent sibelius score writer, Kit built hifi & speakers from plan, soldered 100s of leads. I have a degree. BUT; Still not a clue how streaming connects up and works! OK; experience not the same park, but indicates I have the mind to understand! Seen Dark's vid on this - lost from word go! Fancy a crack at this? - There must be many (ageing?) audiophiles in the same boat...
@vmpty
@vmpty 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honesty, it is refreshing.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment !
@ferdi9554
@ferdi9554 2 жыл бұрын
Ifi zen blue period! But those two seem to be great as well!
@palmito22
@palmito22 2 жыл бұрын
Jay, The new version Bluesound NODE (just node) is coming with the “future” ( maybe December 2021) firmware that allows USB out. Today only allows in coaxial end optical.
@richardsaila8073
@richardsaila8073 2 жыл бұрын
No digital output is a no go, especially for a unit with such limited streaming capabilies.
@luisrodrigonunezolguin7038
@luisrodrigonunezolguin7038 2 жыл бұрын
Good your review Jay, frank and direct, which shows your commitment to show the truth of a product. By the way, how good the closing of your video.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luis !
@bolobos
@bolobos 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! More affordable streamers!
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 2 жыл бұрын
Second 🥳…and I’m liking this DAC/ streamer thingy… But I think the BARTOK DCS is the reigning King.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to test out the Bartok one day! Heard great things about it
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi At $17k US for the entry level.🥂
@peregrinodisastrado
@peregrinodisastrado 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Jay. Do you have the ifi zen stream in for review? If you do, could you compare it to the bluesound node?
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
I will soon (hopefully) and I for sure will !
@daledrolet1332
@daledrolet1332 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jay! Very informative and love the honesty! Keep it going. You certainly add value to this hobby!
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dale !
@rndm4642
@rndm4642 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed with other poster. Would be cool to see your thoughts on a raspberry pi and HAT, such as Allo digione signature.
@TransformationalGaming
@TransformationalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
nice video jay...
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@hushpuppykl
@hushpuppykl 2 жыл бұрын
Had the Pro version … it’s a neat little piece of kit. Still I love your honest review!
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it !
@hushpuppykl
@hushpuppykl 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi … you got an email regarding a hifi show. Might be in your spam box 😉
@lesarnolfinis6775
@lesarnolfinis6775 2 жыл бұрын
The Node 2i has great software and super to use but seriously it sounds no good through digital out, even a McBook is better. A Ifi Zen Stream is miles ahead soundwise.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment ! Your comment is enlightening. Although I would say using digital out to a different dac can elevate the experience of the bluenode2i I have no doubt there is better. I am looking to test out the zen stream soon and excited !
@lesarnolfinis6775
@lesarnolfinis6775 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi Thanks Jay for your reply. I have experimented quite a bit with entry level streamers and it is always a trade off between sound quality and flexibility.I have had a Node 2i, the Microrendu, the Sotm sms200, the Project S2 ultra. The sms200 had the best sound quality by quite a margin but is ethernet only and you had to reboot if you wanted airplay after using DLNA. The Project had the flexibility but it sounded grey and underwhelming. This is why for me the Ifi Zen Stream is a game changer of the entry level streamers because it sounds significantly better than the Sotm and is super flexible to use. Many people have reported stability issues on Headfi with this unit but for me it has been rock solid streaming Tidal through the Mconnect app or streaming music/films through Airplay. I agree with your your comment that upgrading the dac after a Node 2i is a way to improve sound quality. In my experience however, I find the digital source (streamer) nearly as important as the dac in the chain. I am using a Metrum r2r dac and a Project S2 dac at a 1/3 of the price. The Metrum is a much better dac but I might take the Zen with the S2 over the Metrum with the Node. Just my 2c...
@spinachhandsjklolsmh9053
@spinachhandsjklolsmh9053 2 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to tell a sound quality difference between the mini mk3, and the Blue node if you were using both of them with the same separate external DAC?
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for the comment. I believe I can. However this has never been really relevant to me because I use the zen mini mk3 due to it being roon core as well as cd player (it’s functionality) That the bluesound node 2i does not support but required for my current set up
@BlueMax333
@BlueMax333 2 жыл бұрын
I have been using a MATRIX Mini-i Pro bought in 2014. Have worked well, although some of the LED segments have failed. Seriously considered upgrading to the Mini-i Pro 3, 4th Gen. But was disappointed to note that: 1. LAN and WiFi does not with PC or Android. Only with iPhone, iPad or macOS computer over AirPlay. 2. No direct connection to HD or SSD So I am looking elsewhere.
@Luca84v
@Luca84v 2 жыл бұрын
Jay the question is now: Which DAC would join the bluenod (as streamer) and suit speakers like KEFLS50 Meta in your opinion?
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Personally something like the smsl vmv a1 or ares 2 (better if I can find one used)
@greenbeginner3353
@greenbeginner3353 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any value in using a streamer instead of using a laptop?
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for your comment. Talking about streamers specifically; Streamers usually (most of the time) sound better than computers that are inherently noisy devices. But mainly function and convenience that fits your system is priority (at-least for me) can’t play if you don’t connect right? Haha
@willmac5642
@willmac5642 2 жыл бұрын
Have matrix changed the DAC chip spec in mini pro 3 recently?
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street 2 жыл бұрын
If you are using an external dac with any streamer with a digital out, is there going to be any sound difference between them if they are operating at the same rate? Won't the dac be getting the same signal and therfore sound the same or do different streamers sound different through the same dac?
@barbarapearce7323
@barbarapearce7323 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the reason you're disappointed with this is because you didn't use it primarily as a headphone amp. It was marketed as an all in one device for headphones, not as a DAC to be used in a stack. Also no shit it's going to seem bad compared to your $8,000 holo audio stack lol
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment ! I did use it as a headphone amplifier as mentioned in the video and well… my headphone amp impressions are also in the video. As for the dac/streamer - I compared it to units that cost much lower actually… and not the holo stack
@robinator3202
@robinator3202 2 жыл бұрын
Buyer beware. I’ve had the Mini Pro just over a year and enjoyed it as a headphone amp and streamer. I recently unplugged it to move it across the room. Now it no longer streams or accepts Bluetooth. I have rebooted, updated firmware and reset to factory defaults along with reconnecting wifi. My Roon Nucleus no longer recognizes the Matrix. I reached out to Matrix and their recommendations was to go to the Matrix forum which I did without any help what so ever. If you are interested in the Matrix beware there is no Matrix support and you are gambling your $1050 as I did. I cannot recommend this unit, there is no support there is no service center. I wish I would have bought the Burson.
@Jpanic4
@Jpanic4 2 жыл бұрын
First! :-)
@dsy3163
@dsy3163 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more streamers offer Roon Core as an option...
@dhk8921
@dhk8921 Жыл бұрын
매트릭스는 토핑이나 SMSL 같은 회사에 비해 어떤가요? 같은 중국 브랜드이지만 뭔가 차별적인 길을 걷는것 같습니다.
@andrewsalterhobart
@andrewsalterhobart 2 жыл бұрын
Title should read “do matrix streamers offer enough?”
@palmito22
@palmito22 2 жыл бұрын
Matrix is just twice as expensive when you compare with bluesound node
@mattmateo5730
@mattmateo5730 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing I din't get the Mini-i Pro 3
@saintisaiah5007
@saintisaiah5007 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please test the new iotavx np3 cd player, tuner, streamer and preamp in one
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment ! Absolutely I will :)
@Sebastian-gc2hc
@Sebastian-gc2hc 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay! You have very beautiful room. Can you make a video about it and post the links? Thank you
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! Lots of hard work and labour went into it haha
@78sound
@78sound 2 жыл бұрын
Jay that was mean you leveraged Sean into hiatus.. .joking bro
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
I did ? 😬
@CapitanHarlockisback
@CapitanHarlockisback 2 жыл бұрын
There are other differences between the plain and the pro version.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for your comment ! Can you let us know what the other differences are?
@CapitanHarlockisback
@CapitanHarlockisback 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi From the official site: Clock Source Crystek CCHD-950 (mini-i Pro 3 only) High performance clock (mini-i 3 only)
@irisfinchmusic
@irisfinchmusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi the Pro version has the crystal oscillator for low jitter
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
@@CapitanHarlockisback awesome. Thank you for sharing that !
@JosephTongret
@JosephTongret 2 жыл бұрын
second!
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are tied for 2nd ! Haha
@davidfairchild1640
@davidfairchild1640 2 жыл бұрын
$170 for WiFi? That's standard on a $35 Pi.
@Jayiyagi
@Jayiyagi 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for the comment. I believe majority of that price difference is MQA which I again, do not care for.
@irisfinchmusic
@irisfinchmusic 2 жыл бұрын
The pro version also has a Crystal Oscillator for ultra-low jitter.
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