i just hate the 20 tester policy, it's really ridiculous, google should have remove this

"Our chosen field is bad, and the grass is greener every where else." - that's gold!

Never heard an iOS dev complain about xCode for something they couldn't do or implement. They just say to the manager it's impossible or apple doesn't want it

This is 100% correct. From a background in Android dev, I recently tried XCode and ios development process, love for Android increased many times.

This is why I like working with iOS devs, so I can hear all the faults of XCode and be happy with Android Studio.

The problem is the current market, low hiring is making people frustrated.

My company uses React Native. We've had so many problems that I often wish we had just used Native Android. Something simple like running in debug mode on Android is easy; debug mode on RN is a frustrating mess of either debugging your android code in a browser separate from your IDE, or installing a VS Code plugin, enabling port forwarding through adb, and needing to manually alter some code in npm packages by following stack overflow advice. We've run into a lot of issues like that. It's definitely nice to be able to write one app that works on both platforms, and having access to all the packages on npm is a huge plus, but it doesn't absolve you of needing to understand Android and I wish we were just building it in Native Android.

Myself and a Friend decided to build an app recently so I am working in native android and he is working in IOS (we started pre KMM and havent looked at it properly yet). We frequently have discussions around the pros and cons of both and it surprises me how many times Android comes out better. its miles away from perfect but then nothing ever is. The business market will always try and get the shiniest new thing for the cheapest cost but in the end if you want something done properly regardless of moving into new technologies you need the basics first and those basics comes from native development.

Another thing is that development requires excellent tutorials. And this is the best channel for that, thank you.

Can't agree more! 👍 Keep up the good work.

any thing comes into my mind these days , then I find a new video of you philpp discussing about that in the best & perfect way! I FUCKING LOVE U MAN❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

I feel confident in native development on Android. I like Android, I know its weaknesses, I see what is happening on other platforms. I'm definitely moving towards trendiness, choosing KMM for myself, because I want to see Android ideology on other platforms

I totally agree with you. Every technology has its downsides. I've never thought of switching to any other technology just because of my love for Android. And now with compose, my love for Android has grown multifold.

I never thought of giving up Android development or switching to another field. Because I love native Android development, Even I have never worked for a company, just doing freelancing jobs and working on my own projects. I wouldn't say I like the 20 tester policy,

Danke dir! Da hast du vollkommen recht. Das bringt einen wieder auf den Boden der Tatsachen.

Thanks for your opinion. it's amazing!

Could you do a video on ANRs "WaitHoldingLocks" its such an under covered topic. I think a lot of devs would appreciate it. You'd also have one the only videos covering it ❤. Keep up the great content.

Your 100% correct. And you got 1 subscriber. I like this video ❤ from Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩

Over 10 years in native Android world. Not quitting but I'm starting to add iOS into the mix. Going through SwiftUI right now to kick off and then will start porting my main app into iOS world. It's always nice to learn something new and having that skill will surely NOT hurt me in the future. I also wanna verify all the myths about XCode and Apple dev. in general :D

What I'm noticing is that demmand for Native Android is dimming.... companies are increasingly looking for either one man army (iOS and Android Native) or React/Flutter. But as an Unemployed Android Dev... its been hard to find jobs only for Android.. and when one pops up probably receives thousands of applicants

this video is GOATED. I've been thinking about leaving android development for good. Now I have stuff to ponder on. Thanks Philipp

“There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.” ― Bjarne Stroustrup, The C++ Programming Language Basically the same for frameworks, tools and anything out of the programming world - so seems there are quite some android developers around

I really do enjoy developing software for Android. I came from a game developer background, an area that is way more complicated in my opinion, and I found some hapiness in Android years later. Been working for over 6 years now, and I am strugling to get more knowledge, but I still enjoy learnin and helping other devs and clients.

I've been a software developer for nearly 30 years, and I have never worked on a platform that changes as often as Android. Somehow, despite that, I am still here. I do like Kotlin though, and I find it much nicer to work with than Java and C++. Swift is good too, but I am less happy with that! Both SwiftUI and Compose take many of their ideas from Qt / QML. I think I prefer QML to either of them, but that's a discussion for another day!

Great video, thanks for pointing that out.

As always wisdom words 💪

What you said in the video made sense. Thankyou Sir.😊

I agree with native development, I am satisfied from My Android Development ,I don't think that I will switch

thank you so much for making this video .🙂

I love modern android development, it's my favourite hobby and yeah thi can bring some money in perspective...

That discussion was pure gold. All are valid logic and advices for anyone pursuing any field. I am just concerned that, even though the field will always have sufficient flow of jobs, these barrage of hype about cross-platform technologies is driving down salaries. Companies are offering 20-30% less salary that what they were offering couple of years back for similar level of experieice. And that is bad. Then again that might be the case in every other field. Thoughts?

But don't forget that we are getting our own multiplatform language from compose ! Which will fill up the gap of Native devs demand !❤

Great video, I am a native iOS and Android developer and I 100% agree.

I started with android moved to flutter and have done iOS along the way, love your videos, don't always agree, but this seems a pretty good take

I Generally Love Android Development. Fan of Kotlin,Compose and IDE . Few things which I don't like are Ridiculous Policies like recent 20 testers requirement App/Account bans with out clear messages for many devs Different Manufacturers doing their own things like killing services etc Things changing quickly like permissions,storage access etc. I am gonna stick to native android development, might check out other things for fun .

I do feel that KMP is really the best of both worlds... Plus you get desktop and web all sharing the same code Only bridge to native APIs ot mix and match Kotlin will rule them all

I have also the feeling that native android development is dying due to the cross-platform. There are not so many jobs for native android. Many jobs are now for backend or cross-platform

I agree with you. In my experience multiplatform is plagued with bugs and things that just don't work. Native is still the way for getting the best of the best. For example if you need to make a widget for ios or android that's way better to do in Native. Just getting kotlin multiplatform started is ridiculous. I feel is actually faster and less buggy to develop an app twice in swiftui and jetpack compose. Also once you have most of the main components created it's super fast to update your app.

After Kotlin and Compose, Android development is much better than before.

The big issue with KMP is the lack of multiplatform libraries. But for any other aspect it feels much better.

Philipp you nailed it 😊😊😊😊 03:30

Perfect point, grass is greener on the other side.

Wisest take on SWE at all! Indeed engineering is all about compromises and challenges!

I use React Native, but I like to follow your channel to understand better about the native side

A G R E E D ! Although Native Android development is not perfect, it is Sweet especially with the new modern tools :)

The one that need to watch this video is bussiness person and project manager

3:30 Going from flutter to ios to react I can clearly say that i hate lot of things in flutter which i missed on swift ui, lot of things i hated on ios but missed them on web, lot of things hate in web dev but love those features in flutter. Everyone of the dev path has its own pros and cons.

I started with native android, then quickly shifted to react native for multiplatform because I saw the hype. Found out I cant even code very many features compared to native android, and was getting very complicated when trying to mock features. Didnt like that so I switched back to native android, and shifted to compose ui while using standard ui components for features that arent integratable in compose. Best decision ever made

Wonderful Video

I have tried react native and flutter, I think I will just learn swift and jetpack compose, tired of downloading packages all the time and workarounds, when it can take me just 4/5 lines if I was developing with native

This is so damn true, you need to check other environments to understand that yours is not that bad. During the last 10 years i've worked with almost every "famous" mobile tech (native android/iOS, RN, Flutter, Xamarin, Ionic) and at the end of the day I've always liked native android the most (and jetbrains IDEs). It's crazy how good android development actually is compared to many other stuff I've tried so far

Since i started learning Kotlin/Android i was in love! I never thought about changing techlogies, but in the current market situation, i'm really thinking to learn a new tech to have as a second skill, so i could improve my chances to find a better job. I'm glad KMP is out right now :)

We develop a social app using flutter and it reach 100k user .... theres a lot of bugs that happen from no. Where ... we re implement the app using native

yep I am learning flutter now if you want small clients fast like wordpress even bigger apps ... you have can do it with flutter. it depends on the client

I tried both and I think iOS is much easier.

amazing 👍👏

I’ve been a professional Android developer for 10 years and I’m getting bored of it. I’ve been looking into web dev a bit and let me tell you React is basically Compose. If you’re an app developer you can develop apps on any platform. Being a software developer is being a problem solver and all the problems you’re gonna fix in Android are the same you’d have to fix on a web or iOS app

Bro honestly I started my coding journey building websites, but I felt what I had to learn was much plus HTML and CSS was just too new for me in the sense that i didn’t have the right mentor, but about 3 months later I saw Java and thought its was cool, and from the beginning I sunk in with it, I think the problem is just you haven’t found the one that suits you

One thing i cant stand about Android is constantly deprecating useful functions and dependencies

I'm reluctant to say Android dev is great because it's so fragmented with Gradle libraries, Android docs can be a pain to follow, and the privacy requirements are just stupid.

It is always good to know more than to know less. You will be safe if you are a software engineer

Kotlin is very underrated

I have pretty solid exp with React native and tbh.... that's the reason i switched to Swift and Kotlin... At some point the app is just not maintainable, outdated plugins, when you want to up Android version, emulator weird behaviours, every new realease of RN is i like a ticking bomb, we just waiting where something will get broken. I don't know why, but for now with Kotlin and Jetpack compose i feel more.. secured and on the right way, maybe is just a feeling idk haha, but soon will know that :)

This Video really mean bcz now day it is making me think to leave Native Dev and check out new :(

it all depends on your use cases and your customers

I believe it has become like gov't. It's called empire building. Make it bigger and bigger with more and more inefficient, useless stuff and a Palo Altoian can have they're own little division.

Stop complaining and enjoy coding Android Kotlin with a Jetpack 🙂

Me: Android development is so cool I can't wait to start another project. Gradle and AVD starts running: I hate my life. Gonna change this field of development. 30minutes later realises that I've to start from scratch in Web or Flutter. Starts Android Studio again 😂❤

The 20 tester policy is going to kill Android

I'm curious about compose multiplatform though. That actually just seems like normal Android development plus cross platform

I have been working on native development for over a decade, and I started to notice the problem in 2017 when Google began to focus more on better ways for development and best practices, which is great for us but didn't add significant value to the end-user experience after material design and security features were released. Also, there is significant alignment now between native development for both Android and iOS, which is pushing more towards a unified way for development. There is one advantage with modern cross-platform tools: teams can still write native code inside frameworks like React Native, for example. Lastly, when Google started to launch Pixel phones, they focused on releasing features exclusively to the Pixel device itself, similar to how any software company develops a product, rather than making them available to developers to use, until recently with AI.

It is not that others don't suck. In fact, I don't see myself in any other field. Jobs for Android developers are scarce. I was talking to a company and they told me they hadn't got a native Android developer in over 4 years. They are ready to pay me to learn flutter. The company I work in is not from my country and it pays me too little (315$ a month). This is why I am considering switching. also the lack of resources once you reach a certain level. if it wasn't for Philipp I don't know where I would be right now.

I can't agree more

I thought cross platform was somewhat popular until I began talking to developers in the area that I live and most talked about the majority of projects being native, while some few (it almost seemed they had to dig it out of memory) were crossplatform. I believe this is a cultural thing as well though, and that what is the reality where I am, may not be the reality another place (i.e. region, country, continent).

I'm doing android as a side project for over a year, my take for Android is that it reeks of Java over-engineering mindset, from the boilerplate code to gradle configs and the need to download a million package to run, I much prefer flutter for the long run, these complexities and the time it consumes builds up over time that it is just not worth it for projects that are not very big.

I like your logic nice t shirt and nice video

did KMM COMPOSE MULTI create for android developers?

Im developing for android automotive os. Trust me the phone emulators are working really well in comparison to the automotive ones😅

I agree with you 100% on this one! I don't have experience with XCode. I also don't have experience with Flutter or React Native but one question arises for me about that. How do this multi-plataform development frameworks handle specific native libraries/services? Isn't that a quite big limitation of multi-platform development? Or is it just something which is possible to implement easily? Thankssssss :)

Flutter UI + KMM Backend is my favorite stack right now. Dart and Flutter just for the Presentation Layer... Kotlin for the rest.

Some give the advice: learn a new language every year. Keeps you humble and intelligent to. With that in mind, I say, learn to love Android, Swift, Flutter.

how can i record both preview and GraphicOverlay surfaces simultaneously in android studio?

Google Play policies doing the worst

if i create a android app using Jetpack Compose Multiplatform the app will be native in android?

I've considered giving up on Android because I am scared that one day it'll be replaced and I'll be obsolete. I haven't worked with any other technology but Android over the past 8 years and I always have wondered "What else should I learn in order to stay in the bussines?" and my worries have grown up with every news about IA. I would appreciate any advice.

As a flutter dev I don't get the people who think that "native" app development will become obsolete. That never can be the case. You WILL need to code in native (both java / Kotlin and swift) for your complicated flutter app. Flutter itself has recognized this. I'm currently learning kotlin / java and planning to learn swift as well. We are mobile app devs, not just flutter devs.

Remove Gradle 🗿

Me: sees video's title, mumbling about how I hear this for about a decade now Philipp: says exactly the same thing Me: happy 38yo boy 😁

As much as I complained about native app development, I dislike the way flutter app files take a ridiculous amount of storage for apps

Gradle build times make learning by experience more painful. Patience or tons of extra RAM required.

I take it very serious to quit not only Android but whole mobile development shifting to backend development. My reasons : 1. I hate working on UI and designs. 2. Slow development because of the long build time taken by gradle. 3. I love implementing business logic and dealing with database.

Its true

During the first two to three years I am afraid of these cross platform solutions, not until I realized that there’s still a lot of cases where native is to go solution due to reliance on some JNI libraries. I would say cross platform might be good if you just wanted basic apps that fetch data from APIs or store data locally, but if you wanted to work with some hardware and very optimized app then native still the first class solution. There’s a lot market that doesn’t need an iOS version so i suggest learn to specialize on that segment of industry as well. What I don’t like about cross platform solutions is it abstract or hide a lot of stuff to devs which are fundamental and important specially for juniors.

development on devices without GP (hello Huawei etc.) annoys me more and more ((

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native good for hardware and IOT

I am native android developer My so far android experience is that software companies does not compromise on app quality , means app should have zero percent crash and ANR rate , app perfectly and smoothly runs even on low storage hanged android phone😅..,,and most Android development companies specially in Pakistan focuses on product based approach , ads does not have violations , company assigned me already developed application rject code and asked me to remove bugs from apps , crashes and ANR.....rather than they could give me a idea to develop android app fully from scratch.. Am I learning and improving my Android development skills in a way company treat me as an Android developer ? That s why My experience in android development is not satisfactory

- Situation: there are 15 competing standards. - "This is ridiculous! We need to build a new one that will connect all of them!" - "Yeah!" - Situation: there are 16 competing standards.

I was a native android developer but migrated to Flutter. Although you can't have granular control over native features, unlike native android development, there's room for platform specific code. Flutter helps a lot in designing, styling, functionalities, and different other purposes. In my opinion, I don't see any disadvantage in Flutter except from its job scarcity in certain parts of the world.

as an iOS Developer, I don't complain, I just say its not possible or if you want that in the App Store, this has to go. Also in my location Flutter is the preferred, its painful because I find flutter very verbose, that's why I'm learning JPC on your page. Also I feel Xcode is a better IDE, there are tonnes of stuff I can do that I can't on Android Studio. Also iOS development is way easier than android, trust me, this isn't the first time I've tried learning how to build Android apps, the fact that I have to add dependencies manually is a pain because all that is supposed to be inbuilt except I want to use something like Lottie or retrofit.