Does Pro-Ject's T2 Super Phono Stack Up?

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I've bought and tested many turntables over the years but never once got my hands on a Pro-Ject turntable. That changed recently.
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@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 26 күн бұрын
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@FrightfulMess
@FrightfulMess Ай бұрын
I've been spinning my vinyl with my Fluance RT-84 with it's Ortofon Blue, to which I added an acrylic platter mat, and I swear it sounds about as good as it gets for the money, It came standard with a two speed speed control AND (without CHARGING you for it) an automatic stop function to save your stylus from getting worn out in a day should you forget your record is finished. No stupid manual belt adjustments on a pully, and you can change your cartridge out easily with its removable head shell. I never hear ANY noise coming thru, much less anything you can blame on resonance. I have been VERY happy with this turntable, and have no plan to "upgrade" to an "top tier audiophile" table for six times the money that doesn't come standard with the basics. All I need now is a good phono stage that promises to outperform the ones built into my Denon AVR or my old Sony with its handy dandy bass and treble knobs. I think I'll go for the iFi Zen which has garnered mostly good reviews, another seperate that claims to punch above it's cost.
@ptg01
@ptg01 Ай бұрын
Ditto....... I upgraded to Hana EL cartridge and moved from a Schiit Mani to a PS Audio Phono Pre-amp (more than I wanted to spend, but I believe the PreAMP makes a HUGE difference after the cartridge).. Happy as can be !!!.
@gregcarson3444
@gregcarson3444 Ай бұрын
Could not agree more, I am running two turntables, on two systems. In my home office, I am running the RT85 and in the living room system an old Dennon DP-47f. Both are running the Ortofon 2m blue. All said, I like the RT85 better. My wife does like the Dennon a little better, because it is fully automatic.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
I actually have a Zen 3 here to review. Might be a few weeks if you can wait. I also have a review coming up next week that you might be interested in (maybe next weekend). I will say that phono stages make a world of difference. Even more than I realized.
@ptg01
@ptg01 29 күн бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Makes total sense as phono stages has ANALOG output that is amplified to become sound.... Just like I subscribe to output first in sound quality (e.g. speakers make the most impact)... I know there are other schools of thought out there and I respect that.... but being an electrical engineer by training, that's my take.
@paulbenish8982
@paulbenish8982 29 күн бұрын
Love these Fluance turntables. Right now the value in the RT81+ is hard to beat
@charliesolis8471
@charliesolis8471 21 күн бұрын
I got my t2 super phono a month ago awesome turntable couldn’t be happier
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 21 күн бұрын
That’s great to hear Charlie! I was impressed with it 🍺
@rofgabor
@rofgabor Ай бұрын
best part of my Friday when I check out your new post :)
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
Thanks, Gabor. That means a lot!
@IDPhotoMan
@IDPhotoMan Ай бұрын
Scored today! Picked up a White Rega RP1 with an Ortofon Red in perfect condition for $50! Now i'll have my cool (old lol) Technics SL-J3 on one setup and have the modern look on my other. Thanks for the videos 🙂, always the first i click on.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
That IS a score! Congrats on that. Rega is top notch!
@IDPhotoMan
@IDPhotoMan Ай бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I'm quite pleased 🙂
@neilfisher7999
@neilfisher7999 29 күн бұрын
Thanks, Rick. Lots to like with Poject. I considered them before ultimately going with my Fluance RT85. I had narrowed it down to Project, U turn and Fluance. Wound up with the Fluance. I like the glass platter on the Project for sure. I have only owned 3 turntables from the beginning. My first was a Technics direct drive with a P-mount cartridge. It was very simple to set up. Although the P-mount limited your cartridge options. But it was a great beginner turntable back in the 80s for me. Then I left vinyl for several years. When I came back I bought a Denon DP300F. It did a fair job until I purchased the RT85. Most likely, this will be my last one.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 28 күн бұрын
Hey Neil! The RT85 is one of those I recommend to folks looking to leave entry level behind.
@chrislj2890
@chrislj2890 Ай бұрын
Have you seen some of their high end turntables? Jeez those things are gorgeous, and that chromed tonearm is to die for. I had recently bought an iFi Audio ZEN Phono 3 that was defective, so I sent it back and got a Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3 B which was the one I really wanted in the first place but cheaped out. It should be able to handle anything I put into it. Then I decided to run the turntable in my secondary system into my Cayin tube amp, and I bought a Pro-Ject Phono Box DC MM/MC to use with a moving magnet. So far both units are doing all that I need and sound just fine.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
That's great Chris. And I agree - their high end turntables look amazing. It's funny that you mentioned the ZEN Phono 3. I have a unit here to review, but I haven't had a chance to yet. Hopefully, the unit I have here is okay. The Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3 B looks like a great unit. I really like the fact that the settings can be changed right on the front. No dipswitches, right?
@chrislj2890
@chrislj2890 Ай бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Yep, all from the front. Plus you can connect to two amps and two turntables. The only thing I can think of that some people might want would be a remote control, but I don't need it. The iFi Audio ZEN Phono 3 I had sounded just fine, but it had an issue with the power button and I could only get it to work sporadically. I contacted their customer support and they said it is a known issue with some units and I should send it in for repair or replacement. I didn't want to wait so I returned it to Crutchfield and ordered the DS3 B instead. Hopefully yours will function as it is a pretty nice bit of hardware.
@michaelb9664
@michaelb9664 Ай бұрын
I’ve owned a Pro-Ject Debut Pro for a year, along with a Phono Box S2 Ultra. They are among the best purchases I’ve made.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
That makes me happy to hear, Michael! That’s what it’s all about. 🎵
@rayhollingshad3580
@rayhollingshad3580 29 күн бұрын
I have a Project evo turntable and love it!
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
Cheers, Ray!
@davepounds8924
@davepounds8924 29 күн бұрын
Pro-Ject turntables are a good step up for the vinyl enthusiasts who improving their equipment I used a used Pro-Ject turntable for 3 years with no problems until I replaced it with a Rega 3 which I adore Pro -Jects are a fine choice
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 28 күн бұрын
Love Rega 🍺
@davidrichardson3573
@davidrichardson3573 29 күн бұрын
My Como Audio Bluetooth Turntable was designed by Project and also built in the Chech Republic. It also has the same audio cables, and isolation feet. Sadly the platter is aluminum not glass. It also has a built-in phono stage though I doubt it is as sophisticated, but I find it good. But from your description the T2 has a better tone arm and better cartridge. The Como Audio came with the Ortofon OM10. Sounds like the T2 Super is a nice upgrade for down the road.
@KirksAudioSanctum
@KirksAudioSanctum 29 күн бұрын
That is not the best spec cartridge on the market.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
I can't tell you how many times I've upgraded or swapped out a piece of equipment over the years. Just when I think "I'm done" I spot something else I want to try.
@ptg01
@ptg01 29 күн бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords We all have to seek therapy.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
@@ptg01 😂😂😂😂
@VinylRescue
@VinylRescue 29 күн бұрын
Before I bought my Audio-Technica LP-120 back in 2012 I was thinking about a Project TT. I wish I had since the LP-120 was one big POS! Score another Sumiko cartridge! Since I now have two, Pearl and the Blue Point No. 3, I'm impressed with with their carts since not many people actually talk about them. My Rega Planar 2 has a glass platter and some have said the aftermarket acrylic platters are better, but at their cost no thanks. It looks like a better TT than the ones I was looking at 8 years ago and those had grounding hum noises.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
I'm very interested in those Sumiko carts. You're right - they aren't talked about alot.
@chrisnunya7171
@chrisnunya7171 Ай бұрын
I opted for the U-Turn turntable. Mine has the iso level feet with the automatic speed control. It also has an acrylic platter with the Ortofon 2m Blue. It's basically the "Theory" but I didn't like their color options, so I went custom. But U-Turn, buy American! 🇺🇲
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
You can never go wrong with U-Turn. Not sure if you saw the video I did on the Orbit Special but they will always be a favorite of mine.
@Plextortion
@Plextortion Ай бұрын
The PITA of vinyl records might be more appropriate.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
You’re not wrong! 😂
@steveh545
@steveh545 29 күн бұрын
Price? (Too lazy to google)
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
Roughly $650, Steve
@RUfromthe40s
@RUfromthe40s 26 күн бұрын
I believe it ,but far from being a turntable it´s 15.6% of a turntable ,where is the rest? i had a ...those that are round kind of a rotor turntable look with anti-skating with hanging weight with a tube pre-amplifier ,a amplifier and speakers with kevlar woofer paid 150€ all was from Pro-Ject, this last year than a day after i sold all for 500€ to a friend, if i had put it on ebay i would ask more with the so told to be good but never heard so bad ever 2Mred cartridge with new stylus this a brand that in the past was Quality assured ORTOFON ,but why,why?have they done this?
@MrAustrokiwi
@MrAustrokiwi Ай бұрын
As a recent subscriber I wasn't aware you normally run a TD 160. Have you looked at Hanze hifi's HAT motor kit? It made a huge difference to my TD 160
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
I just did after your comment and they are no longer being made. Dave at Vinyl Nirvana built mine so I may be okay? But still - love that there’s a fellow TD-160 fan here! Made my day.
@MrAustrokiwi
@MrAustrokiwi 29 күн бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords My td 160 has Daves's uspension springs and ( if i recall correctly) the sme Armboard
@jedi-mic
@jedi-mic Ай бұрын
You never tried my absorption feet then🥴
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
Not yet!
@jedi-mic
@jedi-mic 29 күн бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords no ok🫡😏
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 29 күн бұрын
Us real serious tweakers make a "Project" of improving our sound. That tweaking" can double or even triple your sound quality I can testify to. And that doesn't even count doing speaker placement. Resonances and immunity to vibration are just two of the evils we tackle. There is no such thing as perfect immunity to vibration. Probably the closest is scientists who use electron microscopes. The magnification is so unimaginably high, that even vibration from a normal running refrigerator in the next room can blur the image. Same with Astronomers at the macro end of things. The slightest breeze can shake the telescope to where Jupiters bands which were visible & distinctive one moment, are invisible the next moment. What they put under electron microscopes would not be overkill under turntables or cd playback. But would be price prohibitive for most. But us more advanced tweakers, realize like no one else, just what a super delicate process it is, a stylus playing a groove or a cd player reading and translating pits. We try hundreds of things over the years. Just about everything makes an audible difference. Good, bad or just different. Most tweaks by themselves don't make more than a 3 to 5 % difference. But if you have 60 or 70 effective tweaks, that probably adds up to a bigger improvement than the difference between ok gear and super high end stuff. It is extremely important to know if what you just tried makes a difference for the positive or the negative. If you repeat it several times your sound quality is either going to go up considerably or in the opposite direction considerably. So evaluation is very important. Almost every tweak which makes a + difference makes the sound more crisp. If you tried something & your sound is duller, you probably have not made a difference in the right direction, but are going in the opposite direction. Don't confuse crispness with "bright." As your sound is getting more crisp, it's also getting more clean, as good tweaks, almost always make "Across The Board" inprovements. Cleaner highs have the subjective effect of sounding softer. So you have to be able to judge are they softer sounding because they are cleaner (good) or are they softer sounding because they're duller (bad), and you're going in the wrong direction! With a good tweak you often are getting highs that are softer from reducing distortion but which in a way sound crisper at the same time. Most tweakers aren't that ambitious and unless they can afford really great gear, they never get truly great sound; and they often don't get it even with gear like that. So it all comes down to what HP of The Absolute Sound called having real "ears " You can't get very far with tweaking, unless you can correctly idenify if something that makes a 3 to 5% difference is an improvement or a degradation The so called vibration absorbing feet they give you with turntables are not anywhere near enough. If they were placed under electron microscopes, no one would have ever likely been able to see an electron! But they do help a little bit. When I try tweaks, I usually try several things at once, because it is more exciting to hear a big improvent than a barely discernable one. But when I do that there is a possibility that some of the tweaks made a + difference and some made a negative difference. The sum of those differences is what improvement or degradation I hear. That's the downside. But your intuition as you gain experience becomes more and more correct. But doing one tweak at a time, although more boring, is probably the more accurate thing to do. When I get some creative tweak ideas and implement them, I don't reach for my cleanest recordings right away. Recordings which go from sounding not that great before, to sounding like they have much less wrong with them, and hearing them with an entirely elevated fidelity is more fun than playing a recording that sounded super clean before and now a bit cleaner. Smart tweakers don't usually mainly use their best recordings for judging whether a tweak made an improvement or not. For one thing, that would be kind of hard.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 28 күн бұрын
That's a great point about making several improvements at once. I struggle with that when I have several I want to make but also want to to be able to judge which one actually did improve the sound. A good example is cables. I have some interconnects coming in soon, one for the turntable to phonostage, and one from the stage to the amp. My desire will be to plug them both in but my brain will want to be able to discern which, if any, made a difference.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 28 күн бұрын
If the cables you are getting are new, their character will likely change as you play more music through them. They sometimes sound almost bass less in the low end until about 15 play hours. Also look and see if there are directional arrows printed on the cables sheathing. The direction the arrow is pointing should be connected to your power amp. At least 50% improvement is possible with cables, but don't expect as much as that if they don't cost thousands. Sometimes they are the best bang for the buck, once your sound gets to a certain point. A grand ot two on a highly discounted used set of cables, can make more difference than any electronics you can buy for that price.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 28 күн бұрын
To be a little clearer, the direction the arrows are pointing on interconnects goes to the power amp as the final destination of the cable. The direction the arrows are pointing on speaker cables goes to the speaker terminals as that final destination. Some cables will not have arrows. The higher end ones almost always do. Not all expensive cables are worth it. If you don't pick a good one, don't think cables make not much difference. The right ones real. Electromagnetic Interaction between the strands of cables degrades the sound. The theoretical ideal would be to somehow make the signal only travel through the center core of the cable, instead of the outer surface that touches the outer surface of other strands.
@poopandfartjokes
@poopandfartjokes 25 күн бұрын
Would you like some bread with your word salad? Jeez you even added “cable break-in” to the equation. That’s some high quality snake oil and vinegar dressing.
@mypalfootfoot9591
@mypalfootfoot9591 Ай бұрын
This is somewhat similar to my NAD c588, the glass platter is the same, the RCA cables are the same and the motor setup is the same. The NAD belt can be adjusted for 45 RPM, it has a carbon fiber tone arm and it doesn't have a built in phono stage. The NAD is also priced a bit higher.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
NAD is a great turntable. Out of curiosity - what are you using for a mat with the NAD? The felt?
@mypalfootfoot9591
@mypalfootfoot9591 Ай бұрын
​@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I use a Funk Firm Achromat 3mm (Dark Blue). A bit on the expensive side for a mat but I think it works great, no static, no slipping and it looks cool! FYI, I read the parts for the NAD come from Pro-Ject.
@mypalfootfoot9591
@mypalfootfoot9591 Ай бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I use a Funk Firm Achromat 3mm (Dark Blue). A bit on the expensive side for a mat but I think it works great, no static, no slipping and it looks cool! FYI, I read the parts for the NAD come from Pro-Ject.
@paulbenish8982
@paulbenish8982 29 күн бұрын
I love your channel and I’ll watch every video. Just don’t like your shirt on this one
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 28 күн бұрын
😂😂 No my favorite shirt either.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 Ай бұрын
Hi ☕️
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords Ай бұрын
Hey Carmine!
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 Ай бұрын
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords..just curious..what TT would you like (assuming you don’t have a crazy 6 figure budget) …what is the fantasy point. Mine is the Esoteric set up (full house)
@TheJoyofVinylRecords
@TheJoyofVinylRecords 29 күн бұрын
@@carminedesanto6746 This is so hard, Carmine! I think i have my fantasy-sights a bit lower than yours 😂 I think if I could pick one right now it might be a VPI TT from their Reference line - something with a periphery ring. I'd have to redesign the vinyl room however - it would never fit on the wall shelf. If I'm being perhaps a bit more modest - I'm a fan of Thorens and would grab the TD 124 DD 140th Anniversary if I won the lottery.
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