Does rejecting conscription show ‘a lack of national pride’?

Does rejecting conscription show ‘a lack of national pride’? | LBC

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The head of the British Army, General Sir Patrick Sanders, has cautioned that the British public might be summoned to participate in the event of a war with Russia, given that the military is "too small". He emphasised the importance for the government to be ready to "mobilise" citizens if NATO go to war with Russia.
Recently, Ex-Prime Minister Boris Johnson wrote a column supporting conscription and advocating for young people to join up and fight, saying that he "jolly well would".
Henry Riley hears from callers about their stance on potentially being conscripted to fight against Russia:
0:00 Caller Paul say he'd "go on the run if it came to it."
2:05 Caller Kim says we need to increase the armed f.orces, and conscription is the "only way".
5:31 Caller Henry believes there should be "some form of national service" and all immigrants should serve.
9:20 Caller Lewis believes that current anti-conscription sentiment "just shows we don’t have any national pride anymore."
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@KevinTalbotTV 3 ай бұрын

You’re not even allowed to defend your own house and now we’re expected to defend a country that they have already destroyed 😂😂😂 not a chance

@jeremysmith8035 3 ай бұрын

It shows awareness that it was very simply a retired general attempting to get more money for the army out of sunak and the desperation of the tory press to distract from it

@vtdemocracy7520 4 ай бұрын

Hard to have pride in a nation that shows its citizens nothing but contempt.

@mandyharewood886 4 ай бұрын

There you go!

@evolassunglasses4673 4 ай бұрын

@@mandyharewood886I'll never fight for this anti White regime

@ryand141 4 ай бұрын

I agree pal. GOV has created so many social problems, it's unreal...and NOW, to top it off, unbelievably, they have the audacity to consider this.

@zoltan-zq3xe 4 ай бұрын

Blame that on Blair and all these globalists, hate them all.

@7ookee 4 ай бұрын

War is organised theft. I will not be taking part.

@petestobbs5844 4 ай бұрын

>Does rejecting conscription show ‘a lack of national pride’? < No. Just well informed common sense.

@evolassunglasses4673 4 ай бұрын

I'm not dieing for this anti White regime.

@anisdesai4692 4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@insertnamehere5809 4 ай бұрын

People would fight for their nations, if they were worth fighting for & the UK 🇬🇧 certainly isn't that right now.

@-ANGLO-SAXON-1 3 ай бұрын

⁠@@insertnamehere5809What is it then? Its 6th in the world gdp and you have one of the best lives in the world. Your more privileged that the politicians

@mrphgil974 4 ай бұрын

People in their twenties were brought up watching British servicemen die in Iraq because their government lied. Not for self defence, just for an old men’s war of pride and loot. Then they’ve spent the last ten years watching the Tories dismantle any hope of an brighter future in a functioning society. Show them something worth defending, make them believe their service won’t be abused in the service of lies, and then maybe ask the question again.

@deanlowdon8381 4 ай бұрын

I’m 40, and every war the UK has been involved in has been about the rich looking after their own interests not defending our country.

@mrennie5158 4 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@ryand141 4 ай бұрын

Brilliant response.

@OllieNorthover 4 ай бұрын

This sums my feelings up perfectly. Thank you.

@iana6713 4 ай бұрын

Precisely!

@ryandudley3616 4 ай бұрын

Hilarious. “What if your country needed you??” - we’ve needed our country for a long looong time now, and the silence has been deafening. Do one 👋🏻

@moedem 4 ай бұрын

Tell em Ryan 👏🏽😎

@TheLeroy79 3 ай бұрын

Well said👍

@TheLeopardGirl 3 ай бұрын

Well said Ryan!👍

@jackp492 3 ай бұрын

What have you needed our country to do?

@bewareofthedogs2959 4 ай бұрын

Id fight against the government

@willyhill7509 4 ай бұрын

me 2

@robeagleR 4 ай бұрын

Same.

@truestcause 4 ай бұрын

exactly what would b happenin

@michaelm5285 4 ай бұрын

👍💯 yeah fighting to preserve THEIR way of life

@mrennie5158 4 ай бұрын

Me too

@allip4226 4 ай бұрын

I'll sign up as soon as all the children of the Tory MPs and their donors are on the front lines. If it's not important enough to risk rich kids' lives for, it's not important to risk working class kids' for.

@masquarra 4 ай бұрын

Monarchy wee ones as well

@daviniarobbins9298 4 ай бұрын

You can bet the Royal Family won't be fighting on the front line. Can't see king Charles III leading the troops on the front lines.

@allip4226 4 ай бұрын

@@masquarraAbsolutely, and not in some cushy job where they're at no real risk of harm, either.

@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo 4 ай бұрын

Absolutely I agree I don't see why the public have to die fighting wars they may not even approve of. The fact is the Tories support some vile countries. I mean take this selling of arms to Saudi Arabia.

@Conner.YorkshireRichmond 4 ай бұрын

Too say tories are rich and labour are poor,is a lie,many ordinary working people vote tory because they are prepared and have a plan,and sunak done well,

@jazzjames 4 ай бұрын

Rejecting conscription shows a healthy instinct for self-preservation.

@cry-rs7vv 4 ай бұрын

Yeah definitely

@davidanderson6100 4 ай бұрын

True, and if anyone knows anything about self preservation, it's a politician.

@dfxl6587 4 ай бұрын

In the short Term.

@NomadicTom 4 ай бұрын

Here here

@peterevans7766 3 ай бұрын

So being a coward?

@ZIGSVIDS 4 ай бұрын

Let's see Boris, Sunak or Farage enlist first. What a joke.

@Olyfrun 4 ай бұрын

Okay, what then? Would it change your opinion?

@jakel8627 4 ай бұрын

Tobias Ellwood, Tom Tugendhat, and Ben Wallace have all served in the military. Many of them have seen soldiers die in Iraq or Afghanistan. Tobias Ellwood lost his brother in Afghanistan. So the notion that British politicians are only willing to send others to the frontline is false. You just want to pretend British politicians are too cowardly to serve in the military because it gives you an excuse to be a coward as well. You only get freedom and security by defending it.

@toshtosh9482 4 ай бұрын

And herr Starmer

@BadlydrawnBen 4 ай бұрын

How easily and conveniently people forget Labour under Blair causing 20 years of war in the middle east that's lead to the migrant crisis and other misery across the world . I marched against that war and have never voted labour again

@andydavies5817 4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Garage said the other day he was against a war!

@CHIPorange 4 ай бұрын

Imagine giving your life for this government ..

@Coelacanth1 4 ай бұрын

Or the monarchy.

@kennethdonne 4 ай бұрын

Never

@sleepyrasta14820 4 ай бұрын

Or Zelensky

@julianna5296 4 ай бұрын

I imagined... then I died laughing

@GodsonX87 4 ай бұрын

Never, i cant sacrifice my life for people who lie at the drop of a hat and have no care for their citizens.

@ECECECECEC 4 ай бұрын

Why would any ordinary working class guys risk their lives to defend this way of life?

@tomtom2871 4 ай бұрын

Because I think the quality of life of the ordinary working guys would drastically deteriorate should and enemy force invade our country.

@Warbaman 4 ай бұрын

@@tomtom2871 we already have the worst conditions for working class in europe (maybe 2nd worst?) I dont think it would get much worse than it is... you know 22% of children dont get 3 meals a day?

@chillygilly939 4 ай бұрын

@@tomtom2871and what enemy force is going to invade our land ? 😂 c’mon be serious

@AnonAmong 3 ай бұрын

@@tomtom2871it's Britain who is starting problems in other countries, who even wants to invade?

@tomtom2871 3 ай бұрын

@chillygilly939 funny alot of people said the same thing about Ukraine.

@johnpolkinghorn5625 4 ай бұрын

Interesting how nobody advocating conscription is in any personal danger of being called up. Funny that.

@Coelacanth1 4 ай бұрын

Always for it's old men that get young men killed in wars

@antonygriffith9048 4 ай бұрын

Ye actions speak louder than words, also the reason why conscription is being suggested is because the government crapped on the veterans so why would anyone want to be in the meat grinder for pennies.

@nigelsmith2044 4 ай бұрын

I'm 59 I would volunteer

@anaromello 4 ай бұрын

@@nigelsmith2044great. Go do that.

@Thecountofstgermaine 4 ай бұрын

They filter the calls to create a false impression

@michaelmcilhone1452 4 ай бұрын

"Your country needs you" Where's the country been for the people for years?

@morganjackson2152 4 ай бұрын

Don’t fly your flag in your country but run across a battlefield flying it high. Makes me sick!!!!!

@Mac-ku3xu 3 ай бұрын

The con is over - nobody is willing to die for bankers and royalty now.

@Warbaman 4 ай бұрын

Why would anyone give their life for a country that does NOTHING for them?

@stevenpyne1994 4 ай бұрын

Nothing? Really?

@Dragonaut111 4 ай бұрын

They won't, any type of draft or conscription would totally fail. The climate and culture isn't conducive to it. You wouldn't see any imprisonment either as the sheer scale of people refusing would be enormous.

@TheDinger777 4 ай бұрын

If Russia Attacked the UK, I think you would see minds changed. If your life or your families lives are threatened or just your complete way of life, you would do nothing? You would stand there and allow total surrender to whatever comes your way, because what... They didnt do anything for me... WOW!

@Andrew-ti8hi 4 ай бұрын

@warbarman And remain in such a country.😂😂😂😂

@catam9308 4 ай бұрын

Why live in this country then? I think people should have a duty to protect their home and the land they live on, if its necessary. Necessary being the key word. I don't think people should be forced to fight in political wars that are leaders having fight internally.

@danielrawlings8355 4 ай бұрын

'If the soldiers who landed on the Normandy beaches could see England today; they wouldn't have gone 50 yards up the beaches.' - David Irving.

@cry-rs7vv 4 ай бұрын

They would join the nazis

@chillygilly939 4 ай бұрын

Yup spot on.

@user-cp8dg2jf4f 3 ай бұрын

100% , millions of British lads died fighting for Britain , only to be replaced by double the number of Pakistanis and Indians less than 20 years later

@danielrawlings8355 3 ай бұрын

@@user-cp8dg2jf4f Yep. Cancel culture large scale. Replaced by those who have no genetic connection or allegiance to the host country.

@rickiduncan5132 4 ай бұрын

Why would anyone fight for a country that has turned there back on them, we can’t afford a house , we can barely afford to live , and the values of this country are now a joke.there is nothing worth fighting for

@gemmapeter7173 4 ай бұрын

You don't think the working class got the welfare state from the kindness in the hearts of the ruling classes do you? Nothing at all to do with the masses of working class conscripted soldiers returning from war posing a threat to the establishment if not treated well?

@Deleteyourself83 4 ай бұрын

Diversity and foreign food?

@alanconway94 4 ай бұрын

It doesn't show a lack of pride, or courage. It proves that today's British citizens are intelligent enough to realise that they don't have to die just because the Tories think they should.

@Wherethereisnodarkness 4 ай бұрын

If we had national pride we would have ousted the government by now

@LayLoow 4 ай бұрын

What’s national pride

@paulmillard3252 4 ай бұрын

@@LayLoow National pride is what other countries people's are allowed to have except white British people.

@sonofsomerset1695 4 ай бұрын

If we ousted the Government it wouldnt be to have even worse Labour in charge with the same net zero scam and globalist agenda.

@easydoesit83 3 ай бұрын

@@paulmillard3252I’m afraid it’s a western thing where us strait white males are the enemy

@easydoesit83 3 ай бұрын

@@paulmillard3252I’m afraid it’s a western thing where us strait white males are the enemy

@kyla.s5838 4 ай бұрын

We can't fight conventional wars anymore. The suggestion of bringing back national conscription in 2024 is insane, given we have nuclear weapons, drones, etc. No one would accept it, and they don't have the manpower to force millions of young people to throw their lives away for a bunch of old, corrupt politicians.

@Andrew-ti8hi 4 ай бұрын

@kyla And you don't want to break a nail!😊

@clownofthetimes6727 4 ай бұрын

We can and will have to fight a conventional war. If one comes to us we will have no choice. If we are invaded and conquered then you will lose everything that you know. No woke, no LGBT, no trans rights, no liberal democracy (or any democracy). All the things that the left ,liberal west has given us will be destroyed. If we don`t fight in a real war then we die and lose everything.

@Sulayman.786 4 ай бұрын

Not a coincidence that this conscription became an issue now the immigration is being scrutinized.

@rowshambow 4 ай бұрын

No, they are correct. It's insane to think of this in 2024 @@Andrew-ti8hi

@rowshambow 4 ай бұрын

@@user-mf9yr9gp4c what they said was coherent and to the point. What you said was a personal attack on them. But please, go off about their IQ

@briankendall2290 4 ай бұрын

Conscription should be introduced after Parliament passes a Westminster Patriot Act which legally requires all MPs and Lords under 40 to serve in the frontline and all MPs' and Lord's sons and daughters over 18 to go to the frontline. That would see the end of any talk of Conscription.

@bb5979 4 ай бұрын

It should never be introduced. We dont need to send troops anywhere.

@paulandhisguitars 4 ай бұрын

To go and fight who? Russia, a country bogged down in Ukraine, they won't be invading anyone for generations. China, they haven't attacked anyone since 1979. Iran, they haven't invaded anyone for 300 years. Who exactly are the aggressors?

@euLIRIC 4 ай бұрын

Yes, except I would change "requires all MPs and Lords under 40" to remove the "under 40" clause :D

@gearoftones8585 4 ай бұрын

I still wouldn't fight.

@kissad.7985 4 ай бұрын

How did you manage to read so many's mind? 😅

@robinmcara793 4 ай бұрын

No, I wouldn't fight for this government. Send them to fight. They make my life worse everyday. Tories out.

@sonofsomerset1695 4 ай бұрын

Hah you think Labour wouldnt do exactly the same thing? They are globalists the same as the tories, if you're voting Tories OR Labour youre part of the problem!

@russellwhite1581 3 ай бұрын

So, would you go to fight if a Labour Government was in place? It'll still be a war for the interests of international capital...

@ejc636 4 ай бұрын

My country has done nothing for me. So I owe this country nothing. From a white British national

@drcommonsense1 4 ай бұрын

Education and healthcare? A place to settle? Protection of your human rights?

@nitsujism 4 ай бұрын

@@drcommonsense1All under attack by this government.

@aykutlondon4784 4 ай бұрын

@@drcommonsense1the population pays for education and healthcare through taxes. The government wastes the rest of the money dragging people into poverty.

@drcommonsense1 4 ай бұрын

@aykutlondon4784 compare it with countries where there is no healthcare like the NHS and you realise just how much more affordable it is in comparison, regardless of the fact taxes pay for the service. Same for the education system. I don't deny the spending is mismanaged and I also agree that lots of services are massively abused. Regardless, there are still many things I am fortunate for. Go to other countries and they will not have the support that Britain offers for disability. Plenty of things can be improved but I'm a little baffled why people think there is nothing positive about this country. Are people expecting freebies?

@Cantbearsed447 4 ай бұрын

@@drcommonsense1the white working class have been ethnically cleansed from most major cities

@kb4903 4 ай бұрын

Johnson’s heart isn’t in the right place. He’s like those idiot ww1 generals who would never go near the front lines.

@bb5979 4 ай бұрын

Or like zelenskyy wearing a green shirt and jetting off on holiday

@TheDinger777 4 ай бұрын

You need to read more on history

@michaelevans4110 4 ай бұрын

He's romantic about war. A warmonger who doesn't care about the consequences. See: Ukraine

@kb4903 4 ай бұрын

@@TheDinger777 enlighten me.

@alwhyte6533 4 ай бұрын

He's 60 years old. He has no chance of ever being called up, so saying, "I'd do it." is a hollow statement. He knows he'll never have to. If I was asked, I'd tell them to f*** off. If conscription happened, I'd rather go on the run. This country has given me nothing but contempt and made my life incredibly difficult. Fight for a group.of.politicians who have actively made my life hard? Nope, no way.

@toms7671 4 ай бұрын

Most saying they are FOR conscription are over 50 years old.

@jamespaul6315 4 ай бұрын

Would you really want to live under putin?

@taahirsa7673 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Most of these people who are for conscription aren't actually going to be fighting. I highly doubt Russia is gonna destroy Londangrad. So what's the point of conscription when the only times when Britain was threatened was from other European countries.

@sinduda 4 ай бұрын

The same people that are prideful of food banks

@stevenpyne1994 4 ай бұрын

Source for your statement?

@abdullahnduka5830 4 ай бұрын

I agree. It should be conscription for over 50

@susanb4816 4 ай бұрын

What is there to be proud of when you have hungry children, veterans uncared for, the elderly left to die I could go on and on

@King_Alfred_849 4 ай бұрын

.....allowing uncontrolled illegally unknowns (often from countries that have diametrically opposing views, philosophies & Religions) to continue to flood the country?

@PhatTok 4 ай бұрын

There is no way on this earth I would go and enforce US (Israeli) foreign policy.

@James-no5sr 3 ай бұрын

You misspelled Israeli

@MrDeus4ko 4 ай бұрын

I don’t need to hear the opinion of an old lady about conscription, that’s never fought in a war and that will never be called up To fight and die in one either.

@user-fn3jq2xi2c 4 ай бұрын

If that last caller really believe Boris would sign up, I've got a bridge to sell him.

@philbateman1989 4 ай бұрын

Given the fact that he uses the "word" "everyfink", I suspect he'd be more than happy to buy your bridge XD

@Mr_Reset 4 ай бұрын

He would buy anything

@django3422 4 ай бұрын

@@philbateman1989You've never said "everything"?

@sprinkz6187 4 ай бұрын

Indian scam centers have just moved him to the top of their call list ...📞🤪

@andrewisotope8146 4 ай бұрын

I've got a jar of steam he can have for only £50 ? 🤣🤣🤣

@elftax 4 ай бұрын

If the country was under threat than most people would sign up… but most people are now smart enough to know that most wars fought since WW2 are in support of big business and not for the security of the country.

@funkknuckle 4 ай бұрын

I seem to remember Johnson saying he'd rather lay down in front of bulldozers than allow the Heathrow expansion. Maybe stop taking anything that idiot says seriously.

@mandyharewood886 4 ай бұрын

You should stop taking your COUNTRY seriously altogether.

@Gaviek1 4 ай бұрын

He was at some arbitrary meeting with someone abroad the day of the vote, wasn’t he?

@verystripeyzebra 4 ай бұрын

He didn't even have to lie in front of the bulldozer, he could have voted against it in parliament, but ran away from doing that, and went for a pointless day trip to Afghanistan instead.

@bobbralee1019 4 ай бұрын

Conscription is always most enthusiastically championed by people who won't have to serve.

@DavidCodyPeppers. 4 ай бұрын

There is a difference between fighting invaders on your own soil VS fighting in a foreign nation. 🕊️

@mcrJohnSmith 4 ай бұрын

👏👏👏

@blazzz13 4 ай бұрын

@@rourkey3o353 As if we have never invaded any country and we've just minded our own business. Absolute claptrap

@rourkey3o353 4 ай бұрын

@blazzz13 what's your point?

@DavidCodyPeppers. 4 ай бұрын

@@rourkey3o353 What do you want to do with the human beings that arrive seeking sanctuary? 🕊️

@rourkey3o353 4 ай бұрын

@@DavidCodyPeppers. sanctuary? From where France?

@hartshorn95 4 ай бұрын

When the rich wage war is the poor who die

@aleph8888 3 ай бұрын

So much reminiscent of the 1930s.

@chrischarlescook 4 ай бұрын

Give Boris credit? The man who said he would lay down in front of diggers if they made a third Heathrow runway, then ran away to AFGHANISTAN on the day of the vote. Get real.

@josephnott2956 4 ай бұрын

Also bojo hides in fridges

@ericfranklin1802 4 ай бұрын

I don’t think it says anything about national pride and more about the fact that leaders have done NOTHING to inspire pride in their country. And any comment by Boris, Rishi, etc. that they would sign up is ridiculous, both come from very wealthy backgrounds and they never get pulled into these.

@knockschool 4 ай бұрын

I bet RIshi's hedge fund has lot's of money invested in the military industrial complex, they become mega profitable when there's war. ?

@JC-un4bg 4 ай бұрын

They have done the opposite.

@Max-gk6ot 4 ай бұрын

Nick Ferrari's response to this news is the exact reason why people wouldn't want to go. Typical 'well this generation can't be without their phones' nonesense, rather than actually reacting pragmatically to the story. Why exactly am I tuning into this show? To be ridiculed? The contempt that his generation shows for the youth is awful, as well as the total disregard of the unique challenges the generation are having to navigate. Why fight for a country that shows you total contempt, and for which your generation are constantly overpowered by the older electorate

@babymonalisa 4 ай бұрын

💯🎯

@mrennie5158 4 ай бұрын

Well said

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax 4 ай бұрын

@@clownofthetimes6727 You are the "clown of the times". And also not a great troll.

@solentforest 4 ай бұрын

@@clownofthetimes6727 what fantasy have you made up?

@stevenpyne1994 4 ай бұрын

The older electorate isnt' a big enough proportion of voters to "overpower" the late GenX, Millennials, and GenZ crowd. Perhaps if they got out and voted, or even stood for office, they might "right the ship", although I seriously doubt they will.

@Bringthegoose 4 ай бұрын

There is nothing to be proud of. This country is no longer worth fighting for. There's nothing for us common people. If war should come here I shall fight for my family, but that's all.

@TonyToning-ne7uq 4 ай бұрын

a lack of national pride??? more like common sense!! there is more than 40 thousand fighting aged men who arrived in the UK illegally! call them upto fight for the country they risked their lifes for to get to!! theres no way id fight for a country thats abandoned me years ago, and im white and born and bread english..

@Jamie-ro6sx 4 ай бұрын

Im not proud of my country. I would defend england if it was being attacked. However, not to be sent to ukr@ine or !srael. I would not be involved in foreign wars.

@Passin_Thru 4 ай бұрын

👍

@wokeone167 4 ай бұрын

The last caller is a lier. The British people do have a strong national pride, its just that the government has neglected its people. I am also sure if the war came into the UK unprovoked you will witness the national pride.

@HarvesterYT 3 ай бұрын

National pride in what? Dying needlessly in a war?

@HULLDUDE666 4 ай бұрын

The guy that hid from the media in a fridge, LOL. 🤡

@roc7880 4 ай бұрын

nope, just reason. too many soldiers died for nothing in the last decades.

@BoltonMaverickoutdoors 4 ай бұрын

Died for nothing really

@DavidCodyPeppers. 4 ай бұрын

Does letting your citizens suffer in austerity that isn't necessary show National Pride? I guess if you are a conservative it does. Peace! \o/

@pauleaton3578 4 ай бұрын

Well said. The government don't care about the people. I don't think that they ever have done

@michaelgriffiths5723 4 ай бұрын

Boris just wants to see his pals stocks in weapons manufacturers keep increasing.

@alanchilds1456 4 ай бұрын

After the way Western governments have treated their native populations, why would they fight for them?

@phoenixreborn6065 4 ай бұрын

Exsctly! They've told us for yesrs they don't want us so why should we fight for them?

@icarus372 4 ай бұрын

After being told im not British enough for the past 10 years. Im now being told im not a true britt if i dont go and fight ahahahaha

@michaelgriffiths5723 4 ай бұрын

Who's been telling you that?

@TEMUJINARTS 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelgriffiths5723who do you think

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelgriffiths5723 We'll call them Brexitards.....oh, and the current Tory government. Where have you been? Fairy land?

@michaelgriffiths5723 4 ай бұрын

@@TEMUJINARTS you've been telling yourself it?

@michaelgriffiths5723 4 ай бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax What does being British mean to you?

@mushroom-mac617 3 ай бұрын

Am from Liverpool and no Russian has ever called me a murdering bin dipper 🤣

@joshuaDstarks 4 ай бұрын

What you may call a lack in national pride I call an abundance in personal preservation.

@jamespaul6315 4 ай бұрын

Sure but would living under putins rule be worth it?

@cooldad7297 4 ай бұрын

@@jamespaul6315better to be under Putin’s rule rather than the war mongers in Washington.

@jamespaul6315 4 ай бұрын

@@Craig121000 rofl im no tory fan but why dont you go to russia and live then tell me how it is? Poverty is massive there and crime is more rife. Thats a joke of a statement

@joshme3659 4 ай бұрын

@@jamespaul6315 you actually think Putin is gonna make it to Luton when he cant even take Kharkiv?

@jamespaul6315 4 ай бұрын

@@joshme3659 who knows whats going to happen? They are turning the tide sadly because us support is drying up

@RadioStationEXP 4 ай бұрын

The world has gone completely mad.

@francesbrown5116 4 ай бұрын

No the biden admin has .

@waynemackerness5785 3 ай бұрын

Always has been not just gone mad

@ChrisAlbertH47 4 ай бұрын

Personally, I think that the reluctance to be conscripted into military service is not because of a lack of national pride, rather because the younger generations have a great deal of objections over being sent into wars that they don't want to be part of. In Swiss, where I'm from, military service is also mandatory, but generally speaking there aren't any objection to it (many of us in fact voted to keep the draft) because we understand that our service is geared toward self-defense and the protection of our own territories, as opposed to involvements in foreign wars. When we do get involved abroad (which we do quite often) it is more to act as technical and logistical support or protective detail. It's easier for someone to feel pride in one's service when they know they're not gonna be asked to fight in a cause that may contradict with their own values, or something they don't believe in.

@basher5013 4 ай бұрын

Do not want to be part of, they want other people to fight for their freedoms.

@bb5979 4 ай бұрын

Our politicians want a war the can sacrifice our men in. If they didnt they wouldnt consistently antagonise other nations.

@johnrice4191 4 ай бұрын

Or they are just gutless...

@phoenixreborn6065 4 ай бұрын

@@johnrice4191You have to be a bot because you can't be serious.

@Spectre_T24 4 ай бұрын

Meet a Russian, they're generally sound people. It's the governments fight, put them in the ring should they wish to end this in that way. I have a life to uphold, a family to support. Why should I jeopardise my existence, and the financial status of my family for a fight that I had no say, no decision and no vote in. I don't like the idea of them forcing us to risk our lives against our will especially when we're supposed to represent democracy and freedom. I will fight for what I believe in, I would fight voluntarily in any situation for my family but I will not fight so rich people I don't know can power grab on the world stage, in hopes to having the 'highest economy', or 'authoritive status' over another nation. We are in 2024, and the emount of money, economical resources, time and production that gets put into all nations military seems primitive when by now we should be in the very future the people before us predicted. Imagine our infrastructure, our health sectors, the money that could be added into curing life threatening diseases that we still in 2024 know near nothing about. They can spend millions on a tank but not 7k a year for a homeless persons rent in a flat, they can spend millions on a plane but will still try and force my physically disabled father to work, they can spend billions on an aircraft carrier but still our health sector is crumbling. We don't have an imperial income anymore, we cannot afford a world war, our people will suffer the consequences of severe inflation and death whether in battle or not and the aftermath would put our nation & the rest of europe in bankruptcy & most likely in debt to the likes of America again for many years to come. I object to war in 2024, I object to spending on any armed forces, I object to forced loss of life.

@kb4903 4 ай бұрын

How is Henry defending Johnson? Anyone can say they would go when they clearly would pass any fitness test. Let his 20 kids sign up first then.

@adampeckham8541 4 ай бұрын

As if he'd care anyway. The man has zero moral fibre or empathy for anyone other than himself

@raynierllewis2827 4 ай бұрын

It was tongue in cheek

@jamesmurtha2923 4 ай бұрын

what, currently, is there "for us Brits" to have pride about in this nation?

@Ryan-gh4iz 4 ай бұрын

what would make you proud?

@Jonnyonthespot123 4 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-gh4izA government that shows it cares for it's people. The current lot very clearly are all me me me. Labour don't look brilliant, though they haven't actually started campaigning yet, and thanks to first past the post those are our choices.

@drcommonsense1 4 ай бұрын

@PyroTails what would you consider as "caring for it's people"? Any specific examples?

@nitsujism 4 ай бұрын

@@drcommonsense1Reducing poverty, improving public transport, improving the NHS, improving education, social care, bring back and support youth services, family support (Surestart etc)...that's just a start.

@davidanderson6100 4 ай бұрын

Isn't it strange that these wealthy Tories talk about " us Brits" when it comes to patriotism,like we're all in this together, but in other circumstances they don't even want to know your name.

@coppershark1973 4 ай бұрын

Once you would ride out with your tribal leaders, king, queen to battle with them leading the way. Now they stand miles behind and rake in the cash. Our leaders are entirely to blame for the collapse in trust and the lack of inspiration. They don't deserve us and we deserve so much better. Modern warfare would be over very quickly for young soldiers as the weapons are so much more destructive and accurate today. JOHNSON wouldn't be allowed to join battle, he is a total liability and not fit enough to join up. Let's see HIS CHILDREN fight first if he is so keen to go toe to toe with an enemy force. Yeah...thought not.

@Leigh-ry3yb 4 ай бұрын

Bit like Netanyahu junior hiding in Florida.

@knockschool 4 ай бұрын

I would say rejecting conscription is more like common sense,Let's see all our brave MP's and their family's joining up. Don't hold your breath. ?

@brianferguson7840 4 ай бұрын

I do hope that John the ex serviceman was not representative of the average intelligence in todays Army.

@adamkey1934 4 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. I'm a serving soldier and I think conscription is ridiculous. For one reason, I don't want to have to rely on someone that doesn't want to be there. And another, war fighting is incredibly specialised these days. Training takes a long time and considerable resources. Chucking people on the front line before they're ready would mean the med chain gets overwhelmed, and would negatively affect morale.

@TheIdlesurfer 4 ай бұрын

John gave a perfectly well reasoned argument, mentioning Finland (I'm a Finnish citizen, as well as British) but having served in the British Army, I was not only excused but discouraged from doing Finnish National Service. I think at the time an ex NATO soldier in the Finnish army was not regarded as ideal. It was cold war times. John makes fair points. As a former soldier, I needed to rely on the blokes beside me and the people behind me, in a role which required a fair amount of technical skill. I wouldn't want a reluctant conscript anywhere near me, but John who knows a bit about Finland, suggested that people reluctant to do National Service do an alternative, usually working in socially useful things. My Finnish relatives all did NS. 2 went on to the professional cadre of senior NCOs. Also, Finnish men who leave school with no qualifications, rare, but it happens, are taught, for example, how to get trucks through Finland's swamps and ice, and perform the nationally required service of driving logging trucks as well as military trucks. Fair play to you John.

@Coelacanth1 4 ай бұрын

It would be an error born of ignorance to understand all that serve can be represented by the least intelligent of us for it is a fact the different trades within the armed forces demand different intellectual capacities. There may be something else that may be apparent with this individual and that is phenomena that appears to occur at least a decade beyond leaving and that is pride being found in what one was that was not apparent in the service or not so long after leaving it.

@Andrew-ti8hi 4 ай бұрын

@brian Hope you're not representative of the average intelligence of the north London middle class bubble.

@adampeckham8541 4 ай бұрын

@@adamkey1934100% agree. Undermines our professional standards and we don't even have the infrastructure to cater for large amounts of conscripted troops.

@markperry1403 4 ай бұрын

Nobody proposing national service had to do it themselves.

@bluesrocker91 4 ай бұрын

Exactly... This one subject seems to attract hypocrisy like nothing else.

@chriswilkinson7636 4 ай бұрын

Seems to be a media campaign to shame people into volunteering for military service. Don't fall for it everyone.

@timedwards5734 4 ай бұрын

Yeah it's very popular with boomers who never did it!!

@chriswilkinson7636 4 ай бұрын

@@timedwards5734 And who know they won't be called up to do it either 😂😂

@Warbsy1990 4 ай бұрын

And who's to blame for the lack of national pride? Tory government after Tory government imposing austerity, whilst feathering their and their donor cronies nests with preferential contracts and appointments that aren't based on merit or tax payer value. We have councils cutting services across the board whilst simultaneously raising council taxes. The conservatives axed the plans that were put in place to replace schools that would have been nearing the end of their lifetime, but instead chose to kick it further down the line, to a point where many school buildings are unsafe and unfit for purpose. Boris Johnson and his government has already shown their patriotic colours already during the pandemic... Parties, affairs and generally thinking the rules they themselves set and expect the public to follow don't actually apply to them. The thought that he'd be doing anything but sitting deep within a bunker somewhere safe is laughable.

@cd0071 3 ай бұрын

Tony Blair took us into a false war and opened the flood gates for the immigrants, we were not asked if we wanted mass immigration. the door's were just flung open. This is what has brought the state of the country down. War's for imaginary wmd's, total annihilation of cultures in this country and they say we should be proud. Biggest joke going.

@bigdaz7272 4 ай бұрын

Build up that Prison Infastructure massively if your considering ordering Conscription because there will be Tens of Thousands of us choose Jail over fighting for the criminals that misrule over us all.

@anaromello 4 ай бұрын

Those who want war can go fight for it. Propaganda journalists, lobbyists, fianciars, corporatists, ideologues - go and take your own kids with you. This is your fight. Not ours.

@monkeybone39 4 ай бұрын

Send our sons and daughters in after Sunak, Goves, and Reese Moggs. Lets see how fast they conscript then. Wars for strategic land or plunder of countries resources.

@youcantno3963 4 ай бұрын

Johnson would be the first person to run the other way. Didn’t he say he’d lie in front of a JCB and die in a ditch? 😂

@bigdaveo397 4 ай бұрын

What we all should take a moment to sit back and understand is that A. Russia has to invade and fight through approximately 6 or 7 other 'allied' countries before they reach our shores. And B. None of those allied countries are talking about a world war with Russia or the need to conscript their population. So breathe a little easier. You're welcome

@nigelsmith2044 4 ай бұрын

You can also face a capital penalty in certain circumstances...

@drcommonsense1 4 ай бұрын

Strange how this topic has come around. It seems to be driving lots of fear and panic. Also seen a rise in hate speech as a result.

@bigdaveo397 4 ай бұрын

@drsteelhammer216 if you know how the UK media works works its not so strange

@margaretmichie2007 4 ай бұрын

Sweden and germany and france have all talked about it

@margaretmichie2007 4 ай бұрын

How many months in 1939 dud it take germany to invade that same amount of countries of course it can be done

@ultrafivethousand 4 ай бұрын

I would never be a chump for the owner class and fight for them in a war. Neither should anyone else.

@BeanFace-oj2en 4 ай бұрын

Yeah whats to be proud of, honestly

@drcommonsense1 4 ай бұрын

I'm proud of the country. I'm happy to see my children grow up here and couldn't imagine settling anywhere else

@deepdickchopra3662 3 ай бұрын

If all the poor refuse and the rich kids go to the front, that's a major part of the housing crisis sorted.

@GamerJudgemental 4 ай бұрын

Why is this Henry trying so hard to redeem boris??? Go work at GB news pls not LBC

@danielcraig4974 4 ай бұрын

He fancies him

@mattliamjack3293 4 ай бұрын

Equip the army , put up the wages, guarantee mental/physical healthcare and high level apprenticeships/education for all and more people will join.

@iana6713 4 ай бұрын

Yes. Precisely!

@xrpgino6858 4 ай бұрын

Still wouldnt

@mattliamjack3293 4 ай бұрын

@@MrL702 agreed.

@ohdearism 4 ай бұрын

Precisely. But let's face facts - the landed classes have nothing but contempt for the kids who lose their limbs to keep the status quo.

@mattliamjack3293 4 ай бұрын

@@ohdearism agreed

@nikc1313 4 ай бұрын

Why on earth would i want to go and die in a foreign land because some rich 50 year etonians say i have to. Funny all the people saying they are for it are all of an age they personaly wouldnt be.

@benfisher5531 4 ай бұрын

I love my country deeply, but I’m not proud of it, nor its leadership. They will they get a drop of my blood out of me.

@Rae-qf7xv 4 ай бұрын

No it shows sensible thinking and refusing to be used as cannon fodder. Please watch Dr John Campbell and Gerald Celente both tellers of the truth.

@francesbrown5116 4 ай бұрын

And Redacted ,Firstpost .

@django3422 4 ай бұрын

Campbell is an antivax grifter. Celente puts himself forward as a forecaster, then claimed Obama would destroy the US...

@norarafferty4702 4 ай бұрын

The blebs become cannon fodder while the pols sit home in safety. OMG. Why should ordinary people sacrifice their lives because the rich and powerful create a world where conflict becomes inevitable. Boris in the army?😂😂😂😂😂

@badcarlos551 4 ай бұрын

If only politicians and those in the media did their own fighting

@anisdesai4692 4 ай бұрын

Yeah wouldn't that be a sight.

@Jonathangriffin82 4 ай бұрын

We need to get all the EDL, BNP, National Front, UKIP folks on the front line. They are always going on about being the pride of Britain etc so let’s see how many sign up. Tommy Robinson has been suspiciously quiet since the news of the draft came out.

@Cantbearsed447 4 ай бұрын

Think you should go to a right wing news item and youll see the same sentiment as the ones here. Why would the EDL (many of whom had family members attacked by grooming gangs) go fight for the government who despises the white working class?

@phillkny45 4 ай бұрын

Yeah , just like azov(actual nazis) in Ukraine

@ghetto7756 4 ай бұрын

By the sounds of it we need you on the frontline

@ghostoftanelorn9928 4 ай бұрын

And Labour, Liberals and Greens, and SNP, all of them, and you also.

@russellwhite1581 3 ай бұрын

Surely it should be the people who oppose Putin who should sign up if they are so keen to enforce left-liberalism on Russia? In any case anyone who's been in a "right-wing" political party is banned from the armed forces..

@arshadjameel8062 4 ай бұрын

Just imagine if the world could unite and focus on technology together instead of competing with one another. If all countries could work together towards this common goal, we would make incredible advancements in technology. It's hard to imagine how far we could get if we stopped fighting and worked together. As humans, we have the whole universe to explore and so much undiscovered knowledge. Instead of arguing with one another, we should focus on answering the bigger questions and pushing the boundaries of what we know.

@Dave-nq6uy 4 ай бұрын

2nd caller wouldn't do s**t. She says "if I was younger I would go". Obviously you wouldn't go. Talking like that is easy. People don't have to do anything.

@katharinereynolds25 4 ай бұрын

i think that all the corrupt media and all the politicians all the corrupt police officers should go

@brianferguson7840 4 ай бұрын

Even during conscription nobody could be forced to join up. You could go to prison, but not to war !

@Some_Cat_ 4 ай бұрын

They can't arrest a whole nation anyway. This is the tactic all populations need to take.

@nigelsmith2044 4 ай бұрын

Some were shot

@brianferguson7840 4 ай бұрын

@@nigelsmith2044 For desertion, but no British citizen was ever shot for refusing to join up. You can't be subject to military justice if you are not in the military.

@nigelsmith2044 4 ай бұрын

I believe over 100 were sent to France ordered into active service in ww1 refused sentenced to death

@Discombobulate453 4 ай бұрын

@@nigelsmith2044WW1 conscription model had people able to refuse based on moral grounds.

@patrickdegenaar9495 4 ай бұрын

I went through (peacetime) conscription and really enjoyed it. However, focusing on conscript cannon fodder when the next war will be fought with robots is frankly bizarre.

@antonycharnock2993 4 ай бұрын

I thought the same. It'll be people controlling drones from computer screens.

@magnuscarlsson9969 4 ай бұрын

I did the same, still am a reservist to this day. I have no issue fighting for my country(Sweden), i however have massive issues fighting for NATO, so i guess i don't have to make a comment about my perspective on Swedish NATO membership. Went to Afghanistan when the mission was to protect and aid civilians, left at first opportunity when the mission changed guess who changed the objective? Yeah NATO. I don't mind defending people even in other countries but once the purpose become unclear, I'm out. Besides any coming war with Russia won't be just about "protecting Europe" it will be about the arctic circle and Russia will most likely attack because they feel their arctic superiority is threatened. We Swedes and Finns are proud of our arctic capabilities, which include our icebreakers, submarines and air-force able to operate in our climate, handing these capabilities over to NATO will provoke Russia, no doubt about it.

@reiw5802 4 ай бұрын

I just look at some of the brave youngsters who refuse to be conscripted into the IDF. I think it's upto each of us to make our own decision, and neither should be judged by the other. You can call it sitting on the fence, but I'm 53 and very unlikely to be called up, it would be easy for me to say I'd do it knowing I won't. Just like it's easy for every older person to. Would I like to be forced into an unjust war? Would you like to fight for a country who has done nothing to help you?

@johnmccann1960 3 ай бұрын

Does rejecting conscription show ‘a lack of national pride’? No, it show's a desire for selfpreservation. 2024 in Britain.

@timedwards5734 4 ай бұрын

I would fight to defend my home and family, but not to fight in some foreign land. Henry is an.idiot if he thinks Johnson would go anywhere near a frontline.

@deanlowdon8381 4 ай бұрын

Boris says a lot of things…

@stephanmbenti2855 4 ай бұрын

One thing Paul said which is key is, Russia hasn’t done anything to us.

@Coelacanth1 4 ай бұрын

Neither had Germany until it did. You see part of long term defence is to consider where threat is likely to come from and right now the generals of whom form military experts through being party to information the media doesn't get hold of to tell us, thinks it is likely Britain will in future be at war with Russia.

@steviesedge 4 ай бұрын

Salisbury poisonings?

@Mark-Haddow 4 ай бұрын

Russia has literally threatened nuclear war with us numerous times since Feb 2022

@stephanmbenti2855 4 ай бұрын

@@steviesedge was that to a UK citizens or former KGB agents?

@TheJimbo4123 3 ай бұрын

Imagine going off to fight someone else's war while your country's being invaded by foreign criminals.

@Sulayman.786 4 ай бұрын

For a just war of defense, count me in. However, given our history, no war would ever be justified.

@siret1967 4 ай бұрын

Hope Tony Blair’s children will enlist. Johnson couldn’t fight anyone apart from a Japanese child over a rugby ball.

@toms7671 4 ай бұрын

Should've asked the final caller -why- have the citizens of this country have lost their national pride

@carolynclare3985 3 ай бұрын

Not wanting to fight does not make you a lesser man! It makes you a better one!

@GiveMeBourbon 4 ай бұрын

Couldnt help but notice that a lot of the people screaming for conscription are too old to serve.

@ovidiumiinea5462 4 ай бұрын

Let people who are rich get consctipted. The rich are the protected class let them fight

@JC-un4bg 4 ай бұрын

Id need to see it to believe it . Problem is our government care very little for the people of Britain. If they cared they would be doing for homeless veterans

@thebonnarman1287 4 ай бұрын

How’s about this - have a referendum on NC/Conscription. If it passes, have everyone who voted for be the first to be signed up, regardless of age etc. Seems very fair to me.

@stevenpyne1994 4 ай бұрын

Your vote is not, nor should be, a matter of public knowledge!

@mrennie5158 4 ай бұрын

So fair it would obviously never happen. The Boomers would suddenly lose their opinions on it.

@thebonnarman1287 3 ай бұрын

@@stevenpyne1994Tough

@johnrussell3961 4 ай бұрын

The army don’t want conscripts. They want young people to chose to join. And many were when the Tories cut back the army. It’s not small now becuase the young didn’t want to join.. It’s small now because the Tories stopped it recruiting.

@iana6713 4 ай бұрын

Amen. A willing volunteer, well enough paid and equipped, is a far better soldier than any resentful conscript.

@brotherlestat305 4 ай бұрын

No. People are smarter now due to social media and can see through the government's lies.

@jasoncooper9391 4 ай бұрын

Slippery eel sunak should get out there and fight 😂

@JohnDoe-ko5yr 4 ай бұрын

Who would fight for a flag that would get you arrested by police for flying said flag in that country. Glad people wont serve.

@keithd26 4 ай бұрын

In order for you to have "National Pride" you gotta have something to be proud of. Over the last decade we've had the rise of food banks, the rise of warm banks, party gate, the division of the country through Brexit, Brexit betrayal, the use of Cambridge Analytica. The Post office scandal. Housing shortage crisis, NHS crisis, schooling crisis, prison, policing and military crisis. Seriously, What is "National Pride" nowadays? As for Boris, Anyone who believes him over fighing on the front line, has forgotten all the lies in parliament over partygate. He knows he'll never get called up so they are just words. I've never heard such awful journalism to take a habutual liar at his word and use it agains a caller.

@kevbrown2532 4 ай бұрын

To answer your question, the actor who played Private Godfrey in Dads Army was a conscientious objector who refused to carry a gun. He joined the medic corp, became a stretcher bearer during WW1. For his bravery in objecting he still went to the front line, suffered being shot, shrapnel wounds and other injuries. That to me is bravery. Its serving the country in a way that means doesn't need to carry a gun. Trawlermen were exempt from joining the armed forces yet were at risk from being blown up by enemy navy or, as my great uncle was, by a sea mine. Bravery comes in many forms not only by fighting, killing, etc.

@aykutlondon4784 4 ай бұрын

There is nothing brave about fighting or killing. It's nothing to be proud of, therefore it is not brave. It is stupidity.

@jjr1728 4 ай бұрын

Labrador owners are also exempt in times of war in Canada