In one of the videos on the new Tundra can you guys pop the hood and point to the transmission cooler? Or point at it through the grill? I know Toyota it has been said that Toyota put the transmission cooler back in, but I have trust issues with manufacturers and large companies.

So, did you say the 2022 Tundra has “augmented sound”???

@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, they did. And it does, because almost every, if not every, automaker does now. At least Toyota actually made it sound decent outside the truck too, instead of when Ford released the Ecoboost F-150 Raptor and when asked about it's exhaust note the Ford rep basically said, "It's a V6, what can you do." Implying no one could make a V6 sound good meanwhile Nissan had the fantastic sound VQ series of engines and the Camero V6 sounded awesome too.

@@The_Opinion_of_Matt thanks for the info.

@@COMMANDER-ONE Not a problem. Have a good rest of your weekend!

You nailed it

I want V8, front bench seats, electric mirrors (I'm spoiled) over 2k payload and over 10k towing capacity...

You're not wrong (and funny) but today's trucks are really amazing anyway. The 'back in my day' crowd can't seem to appreciate that you can go buy a half ton off the lot that will tow 10k lbs, do 0-60 in the 6 second range, get 19mph on a road trip, cool your taint off in the summer, stop you from crashing if you aren't paying attention, play anything from the world's library of music on demand, show you turn by turn navigation, redirect you to a gas or food stop at will and get you to a remote campsite over gnarly terrain. And if you want to spend a little bit more and give up 2k or that 10k towing you can go 0-60 in 5.5, do 60-80MPH offroad and jump your factory stock truck. It's a golden age of trucks and people still complain. :D

lol you got it man it won’t get many likes though since most people commenting are one of the people you listed lol

😂😂 all true.

100%

This! I noticed that right away. The augmented sound probably embarrassed itself

I think they had a vehicle in the way on the ramp

Complete opposite. The Toyota is 4th or 5th (if we separate Chevy & GMC) in the full-size segment from a sales volume standpoint. TFL has been giving Toyota so much air time across multiple threads, that I’m starting to believe that Toyota Corp is subsidizing these videos.

But they showed us how the Ram excellerated with a load--Again

Just paid 90k for my Ram 3500. It was 2k off sticker, which I was not happy with, but that is much better than the 15k ford was adding to their final price. Now mine is a fully loaded Limited Ram HO 3500. Never thought a truck would hit close to 100k.

My local Toyota dealer is charging 9k over MSRP for one.

I made this comment a year ago and people in the comment section got mad at me even though it's simple to do and can be done for around $100. They can literally overlay any of the trucks data on the screen.

@@tpolarbeart I have a 20$ scan tool that can do that so yes they can Easy, simple and accurate. Estimate will vary one car to the next so will the actual percentages.

Great Question👍

Big goof gotta do it all over.

Hello, we will do more tow testing with the Tow+ mode in the coming weeks.

@@TFLtruck how you all declaring winners and not even using the proper feature for towing? Smh

@@adrianhosein7698 what would it have done? You saw where the engine was revving on the downhill, another gear would have put it past red line. Might have bumped acceleration slightly (increased throttle sensitivity).

I’m with you but unfortunately there are too many people that have more money than brains.

adjusted for inflation, today that would be 56,289...

@WomenHateShortMen it’s now $60 for a work truck. $1k a month for a truck? Higher gas prices and inflation added on what else can people do? They’re sick of being priced gouged by greedy dealers as well. I know a can’t afford one.

And last forever

Your body style tundra actually have the biggest brakes of all the half ton trucks fyi.

@@Seasniffer69 really, so when the redesign came in 2014 they changed the brake size?

@@Seasniffer69 B C w.

And takes twin turbos and two more gears to get there with newer "supposed better technology" yet can barely beat an old school purod NA engine up a steep hill and get worse MPG doing so..... Go figure!!! NO replacement for displacement still stands I guess....

@@joatmon1857 it’s moving more air so it needs more fuel.

I'll choose the Tundra

@@joatmon1857 Absolutely. It proves what many Toyota enthusiasts have said all along: Toyota could have kept the legendary 5.7L and mated it to a 10 spd. transmission and achieved the same results without reliability concerns of a twin turbo setup.

Hemi all day long.

Based on their viewing data, I would hope they review, you and a few others may be the minority. I can't imagine they would cut a lot out if they haven't seen viewers skipping large portions of their videos. They can't please everyone, which I'm sure you're aware of.

This needs to get more publicity

Andre said that 60 was the lowest, but he didn't state which truck achieved that.

@@anthonyc1883 i don't any truck achieved that before. I think he was wrong.

@@JanBartos24 I agree.

@@JanBartos24 - Just because you have to be right? I know they made it to 60. You go review all the videos, back ohhhh 7 years and get back to us. Until then, I will go with Andre and 60 db.

They showed clips at 3200 rpm’s I wonder what it was at that but 62-66 db you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference But I’m more interested in the fuel economy and they already just recalled them for power steering failure Owned a ecoboost owned a ram own a Titan now and love the pure v8 and RC3 inch lift on 33s I get 18.2 on 95 Savannah ga to Wilmington nc

Yes and no.. the trailer weights keep changing from year to year, making it extremely hard to compare results from year to year. I really wish they would make benchmark trailers with fixed weights for each class. They can still do the "max tow" test too, but for more accurate testing from truck to truck, year to year, they need to eliminate some variables.

Nah. If there’s no traffic any truck can maintain the exact speed required to make the 8 min benchmark. Albeit some might be working more than the others but timing aspect is ambiguous

@@treyhart6861 the world is full of people that tow all types of stuff. Not near as many who tow max weight and the same weight year after year

@@Captndarty There haven't been some over the years that couldn't make 8 mins? Even without traffic delaying the run, I seem to remember some couldn't make it in the prescribed time.

@@treyhart6861 Check out Truck King Channel they test Trucks with same setup.

The Ecoboost Tremor went up in 7:44 and about the same fuel mileage. 6 brake applications also. The PowerBoost was same mileage and brake applications but 7:57 going up due to lots of traffic.

I respect the comparison to the well known V8 Hemi

@@bobdennis4801 Thanks Bob!

maybe engine wise, but I think the Tundra will be a more stable platform for towing with it's heavier weight.

Toyota has better build quality and better history with hybrids unlike Ford….

The 2022 Tundra’s have some major issues but im impressed with the Torque and Towing. I would like to test one just on the routes i use to tow my boat etc. Not many are going to be climbing major hills like the Ike .

Our scoring is very specific. - 25 pts for downhill: subtract a point for each brake application - 25 pts for uphill time: subtract a point for each 5 seconds over 8 min. - 25 pts for uphill MPG: subtract a point for each 0.2 MPG less than 6 MPG. - 25 pts max Subjective score for each reviewer. Categories are: -- towing technology -- squat / suspension -- visibility / mirrors -- interior comfort / loudness -- value

@My Pronoun is WTF Was performance the same? Both trucks came within a few seconds of each other in finishing but Andre said more than once that the Tundra had more extra power available, pretty substantially so.

We got a tundra engineer commenting 🤣🤣🤣 he’s mad

It's about the tow hooks man, no tow hooks, no deal.

@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 thank you

I would say 83/100 and 85/100 would mean it's right inline with the big 3. To that point - 25 points available for break applications, 25 points available for time up hill, 25 points available for MPG Uphill, and lastly up to 25 points available for subjective opinion. Don't think anyone said 83 points was not good nor impressive.

The Ram is all American made and the Tundra isn't . Both are nice Trucks as I drive a 2020 1500 Ram 4×4 off road package with the 5.7 Hemi and I love my Truck , the new Hidro blue 💙 turns heads .

@@jamestopeka2236 Toyota is a Japanese company. The Tundra is made in Texas ONLY. Ram is an italian company (FCA Italy) made in Warren Truck Plant in Warren, Michigan and at the Saltillo plant in Saltillo Mexico. THE TUNDRA IS MORE AMERICAN MADE!!!

@@bigfoot5268 My 2020 Ram says on the door made in America .

@@jamestopeka2236 That's great! Arrivederci Amico.

We will do more Tundra towing comparisons in the coming weeks. We currently did not have access to a Tundra V8 or an F-150 Ecoboost.

I love my v8 tundra but these new turbo trucks. Ford. Tundra. Are the trucks to buy if you need the best towing 1/2 ton. That tundra would’ve embarrassed that ram uphill if speed limits allowed.

@@Bostonharborwater Seems like it, based on Andre's comments about how much power seemed to still be on tap with the Tundra.

Watch the old videos

The penalized the Tundra for fuel milage while remarked it was much better than the ecoboost. So quieter and more fuel efficient than the ecoboost. Not bad at all. Nothing wrong with the Ram except it was way noisier both downhill and uphill. These are all important when towing long distances. I can't recall any Ike gauntlet test where any vehicle has ever been penalized for having no tow hooks whether it had them or not. It almost looks like you didn't want it to win. C'mon guys get a grip. And no I'm a Ram fan and have been for a while. Not so much Ford. Forget GM.

That would be awesome. GM's new turbo I-4 is generating 420 pound feet of torque at 1500rpm. the 3.0 turbo diesel doesn't seem all that impressive anymore.... at least on paper!

Has GM ever told us if there is a new max tow rating for updated 2.7t? Or is it the same as the year prior just feels more peppy?

Just an engine and turbo revision. All else is virtually the same from what I have read.

100% would love to see this. Personally I think the ecoboost will take the cake but it would be a great comparison.

@@99-Zulu I believe they revised 2021-22 tow ratings which bumped up the 2.7 from what it was previously at (around 8k or so) to max of 9500 from what I recall.

@Sleepybear723 lol ok sure, 20+ year old pushrod v8 map the floor with that rice grinder lol😆

@Sleepybear723 Ram all day. Toyota is a wannabe rice burner.

@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 sounds racist to me

@@sammyjammy6647 you are what's wrong with todays society

Thank you for watching.

What truck did you get? I just got a 2021 tundra. Reliability was my #1 criteria. My 97 t100 had 430,000 when I sold it. Helped me stick with toyota.

Thank you for watching.

@@mizzouxc3824 according to Toyota. I'm betting it loots very different on a dyno. Torque is likely falling off rapidly as low as 4000rpm

@@mizzouxc3824 what is the peak torque @ the wheels and at what RPM. Also what RPM is peak HP at. What is the torque numbers at peak HP?

Very valid point

Likely worse. They tested the F-150 hybrid against the Ram 1500 Hemi etorque and the F-150 had worse fuel economy. Hybrids are for cars like a Prius not for towing machines.

Lose points on tow hooks on a towing competition plus you said it felt the best and it came out average. Plus the RAM looks old

@@kennedyracing7527 Ram doesn't look old at all.

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I can not get over the grill on the Tundra and the body is too chunky looking . Ram looks great in that color and I agree not old looking .

Tundra is the best looking truck on the market

💯 we will have to see how reliability (Toyota's rep) coupled with not-so-durable (V6 on trucks and turbos) would turn out to be in the long term.

How will fuel economy be long run

@Jean Toronto Raptors true. This is the first one that tows though. Turbos too, kind of another issue altogether on its own. I really hope Toyota somehow cracked the code on the longevity issue surrounding that, but we will all know next year by this time when it has run a year with TFL?

I asked the same question on another channel....TRUCK KING....and a Lexus tech told me that he has seen this TTV6 for years in Lexus product and was very reliable. This is what he told me about 3 weeks ago.

@@mikefoehr235 I understand what you saying but the Lexus he is talking about is a unibody SUV witch is not as stressful on that engine I will go with the ford EcoBoost V6 it's been around for long time and all the links has been worked out. even though it's a Toyota you should never buy a first year product with new technology especially when it's a new engine platform

You are so right!

I've owned 3 Tundras and the lack of tow hooks/front recovery points is keeping me from ordering the 2022 and has me shopping other brands. I think they underestimated the problem they created by omitting them from their 4X4s.

Supposedly, the front hooks were left off for... wait for it..... aerodynamics. 🙄

Most Japanese manufacturers put their tow hooks are under the front bumper. It’s not in your face like dodge products.

That and lack of front bench seats got me to buy Titan XD.

Thank you for watching.

Almost a new truck? It is a new truck. How's the old 6 speed scary? The AB60 transmission has an excellent track record. This new transmission has big shoes to fill in reliability.

So your excited they produced a truck that offers zero new innovation and just barely brings the truck to current day models??? This truck literally offers nothing that can't be found on 2020 truck models from other manufacturers. How is that impressive?

@@xk302a so it's not that it's missing anything, it's that nothing besides the hybrid power rating stands out. It on par or has less functionality/usability then the 2020 and 2021 models from the other manufacturers with ZERO new innovation. Why did we wait 15yrs, and I personally been waiting 3yrs to replace my 2011 Tundra for a Truck that is just average. This truck not even close to being a world beater as they advertised it. So now they want people to drop 60-70k on a truck that's not even really on the lot yet but it's already 2yrs out of date. Just don't make sense. It's almost as if the people designing the truck had zero experience driving trucks

@@xspower21 zero innovation? What innovation has other trucks brought? Ford put a bigger power inverter in their truck. A tacoma has had an inverter and a bed outlet since 2005. Ford has a hybrid truck which acts as a generator. Hello, Prius. Did you forget Chevy also had a hybrid truck a decade ago? Ram put coil springs in the rear of its truck. GM put coil springs in the back of their trucks decades ago. Ford put a flip forward armrest to act as a desk. 2000-2006 Tundra has had a flip forward armrest to act as a smaller desk. GM and Ram use cylinder deactivation. GM came out with that technology back in the 80s and it was called the 8-6-4. It was a total flop then and its a nightmare now for higher mileage engines. Man I really see the multi opening tailgate option being purchased and used like Crazy. You can thank old Station wagons and the Honda Ridgeline for that innovation. Just because something seems new and innovative to you doesn't mean it is. A lot of this "innovation" has been around forever. As for your claim of "zero innovation," who else has a tailgate release on the side of the taillight you can bump with your elbow? Laser welded frame rails isn't innovative?

@@xk302a GM is the bottom of Reliability. Ford and Ram are both rated higher than Toyota in full size market.....

Yes and no, most people are never going to use them, most of those what will are already gonna replace the front and rear bumpers/add a winch. I can see why they went without it.

I agree, strange delete.

I’ve used the front tow hooks multiple times to pull other cars out of ditches. They work great when you use a proper tow strap.

@@CF_Sapper Nope, Vice makes an excellent hidden winch mount using stock bumper and tow hooks.Really keeps a stock clean look while keeping winch well kept and out of the way.I used one on my 2019 Rebel and now ordered one for my 2022 Ram 2500 which is now offered.Great small buisness,made in Canada and no I am not affiliated.

If they can stay outta the shop

RAM RULES..Says no one ever

@@doylee469 The only people who say RAM rules are ones that are in the know and use their brains to compare all manufacturers..

Your right just the day before it breaks

Good point

I concur....crap we don't need or want.

It was over 3k later...:-)

I’m betting Toyota tested those *liquid cooled* turbos well beyond what any owner would do to them.

Toyota turbos are dual cooled and have an electric coolant pump for if you shut off the truck with the turbo still hot. Solid system!

No generator option unlike Ford, though.

@@baxs5076 why do you need a generator on a truck? Unless you live in Texas which has the electrical grid of a 3rd world country, I don't see many uses for it.

@@Rali852 That's why it would be a option for those that want it, it has proven to be a nice extra to have. The power numbers look good, little puzzled by the older battery technology they went with, maybe costs.

@@Rali852 because I live in rural Georgia, which has the electrical grid of a third world country, ha ha.

@@Rali852 or California. They shut our power off everytime the wind blows. A huge miss for Toyota since the Ford can power the house. Toyota charges $395 for their 400 watts to power a hair dryer. Ford charges $775 to power a house.. and I'm not a Ford fan.

Yet it did worse in terms of fuel economy than the Ram v8. This proves that Toyota could have added a 10 spd. transmission with the 5.7L v8 and still achieved about the same results with a naturally aspirated engine versus this twin turbo v6. That's a failure.

@@putmeincoach7663 - Nope. That 5.7 is exceptionally thirsty. They could have gotten closer, but the overall fuel economy day to day is the one that matters when it comes to CAFE standards. They would need the 10 speed and then much less aggressive gearing, but it would never get the overall economy the new V6s do and will get in the future. I like V8s as well, but you don’t think Toyota hadn’t thought what you just thought? They have an entire team that tests these theories in real life in mule trucks. This had been developed and perfected to their standards for the past 2+ years minimum. The sign if the times. I remember I n 1974 when I was in grade 6 the principal in our school had said there will no longer be V8s and full size trucks would be powered by 4 cylinder motors with induction like a supercharger or turbocharger, steaks would cost $10 each in the grocery store, gas would be $5 per gallon. All true!! The GM full size trucks will have the 2.7 4 cylinder, (designed the same way a 4 cylinder turbo diesel is designed and made of the same cast material as the Duramax) 310 HP and 420 LB FT of torque!!! It will all happen nice and low in the power band where a truck needs it as well!! I am positive that truck will out perform the 5,3 litre V8!! The 5.3 has 355 hp and 383 lb ft of torque, but it happens much higher in the rev range. The 5.3 pulls decent mind you because for today’s V8s it has its torque peak and curve occurring about 1000 rpm lower than the Ford 5.0 for example. The 5.0 outperforms it overall though, especially unladen. Times are changing. People gotta change with the times or they are road kill!! Pun intended, haha.

Turbos literally add mass complexity and absurd heat. Can you point to any Turbo charged motor that has 200k reliability? If there is, I must be missing it. My money says this will be the downturn for reliability for the Tundra

The engine is very different from the Ford. They're both turbo V6 but the tundra is built like a diesel with a long stroke and small bore that's not very high revving - the performance is much more diesel like. The Ford is a wide bore short stroke - more like a race car engine. The Ford engine is designed to be free revving and probably a good bit quicker in a drag race. The tundra engine seems to perform a lot like you'd expect from the engine specs.

@@xspower21 you could choose any commercial turbo diesel. They're pretty much all good way past 200k miles.

Hybrids aren't being released until march

@@primalj_2a433 The Dodge has the mild hybrid system ... he just showed it and its the second one they have had and i still have yet to see a city MPG

Then buy a car

@Daniel G As i suspected ...i did some research on Fuelly and the 5.7 Etorque average mpg is 16 and the 5.7 average also... 16... when the Etorque came out in 2018 as a 2019 model, i called it a transitional technology that will be replaced the following year and im very surprised it is still around ... although i have to admit i had high hopes it actually did something

Why do you need a truck if you don't tow EVER?

We will get back with more details on this soon.

I guess I should have said TWO significant differences…

maybe rams newer than 2018 are more durable, but 2018 and below tend to suffer from lifter and cam issues around 100-120k miles. also, long base powertrain warranties don't mean much, it's mostly marketing; i'd highly suggest reading the fine print on that 100k warranty

@@attananightshadow My 2014 Ram has 223k miles and I’ve had zero powertrain issues. I hear what you’re saying about warranty, you pretty much need to go to dealer for service for the first 100k. Well worth it IMO.

Yes i agree. Very subjective (by TFL)....

Why was it a surprise? It got worse fuel economy than the Ram with a v8 towing the same load. The F-150 Ecoboosts have been rated the same way on this channel.

Yes should have shown the trans cooler does work

As far as I know the 2022 don't have a transmission cooler which worries me a little but I may be wrong. I have a 2015 Tundra and pull a loaded toyhauler over the mountain all the Time in Tehachapi ca and Temps never get over half a gauge

@@brianj123458 they do have it. I test drove one on Friday and noticed the transcooler. It was a big deal breaker for me if they didn't have it. Also the reason why I didn't get the f150 hybrid because it overheats when towing heavy.

We will do more testing related to this. The 2022 Tundra does not display transmission oil temperature. The ScanGauge we have is not setup to work with the new truck yet. The 2022 Tundra has a small auxiliary transmission oil cooler.

@@vikkzx ok thank you for the info I heard Tundra was getting rid of the cooler, since they still have one I may think about the hybrid when it comes out

A column shifter would solve all these problems!

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 No kidding. I don’t get why there’s so much hate towards them!

I didn't like the phantom shifting that the one I rented did. It was really frustrating trying to back up a trailer when it would shift its self into park repeatedly while you were trying to back into a tight spot. The towing was pretty good and I was impressed with the MPG. I ended up buying an F250 that has been a nightmare - I sold it after only 10 months. Breaking down repeatedly is more annoying than the phantom shifts! lol. But I still don't like the shifter dial. Maybe you can turn off the self-park shift thing on the ram??

I'm going to get one at some point. Then I'll put a new bumper on it at some point with a winch and tow attachments.

Someone I follow once said about the ford ecoboost...you can have economy or you can have boost but not Both!

@@jayrichards3672 I really don't know what made people think a turbo engine producing more power than the V8 would get better fuel economy. The only thing that really helped ford was switching from steel to aluminum.

@@CG_86 I totally agree. The ford v8 is 22 highway vs the ecoboost 24. So for 2 mpg your risking turbo failure x2 which will easily set you back 2k. Makes no sense. If the difference was like 22 mpg vs 30 mpg that makes way more sense. It might be justifiable but even then…

"There's no replacement for displacement"

@@kidzznks4281 Do the math in 200,000 miles that 2 miles per gallon turns into a few thousand dollars. There's a huge gas tax the democrats will pass before long. Fuel is only going up in the long run. Turbos are reliable and not hard to repair or replace with a little mechanical skills. I drive a v8 and am tired of spending 100 a week on fuel. I'll take the chance with a turbo next time if it gives me better economy and performance.

Probably on fiats payroll

Toyota has decided to augment the sound, so unfortunately you will probably never hear the turbos

It can't compete, yet it gets better fuel economy and had a better timing score? Please elaborate on your logic...

more reliable than an aluminum twin turbo v6 for sure when it comes long term

@@orlandoduran7740 clearly you don't know much about the 5.7 hemi issues that creep in after about 100-120k miles. just search 5.7 hemi camshaft and lifter problems. you're welcome.

@@attananightshadow i know about the cam shaft lifter issue, it all comes down to maintenance , i have a guy at work with a 6.4 hemi in a ram , i asked him what oil he uses because he mentioned he gets a ticking noise now in the morning and then goes away. he said he doenst use the recommended oil . that goes to show you the many reasons why these engines fail, oil viscosity and quality is important because of the MDS system just like in the GM AFM. i know a guy that does hot shot with a 2019 1500 classic 5.7 and he got over 250k trouble free miles , just regular maintenance

I'm holding on to my 2001 Tundra for the "simple inexpensive" aspect. Back then Toyota provided drain plugs on everything, room to work on it, and everything just works. The future of the hybrid is going to get nasty in 10 years when it's time to service all of that complexity and cost.

It is a Toyota is will be fine... they been making turbo Lexus for years

Respectfully sir, although the outgoing 3UR-FE engine has earned the “bulletproof” moniker, Toyota’s most legendary engines are turbos and their ability to build a reliable turbo engine is very well documented. This application of the V35A-FTS may be new in a truck but it is not new altogether; it’s been in service in the flagship LS500 since 2017. I don’t believe Toyota would stake the rep of the Tundra, LX, and Land Cruiser on an “unproven” engine.

@@aussie2uGA not really that hard to service. Batteries can even be replaced if you're an average mechanic and have a good tutorial video.

The 3.5 ecoboost is plenty reliable. Put 250k on my first one and never had an issue with it, the last 75k miles were tuned as well. Sold the truck to my nephew just over a year ago and it's arill going with no issues. Plenty of other with similar stories.

It's stellantis now

Yes they definitely need a super Ike with this. Load it up and don’t give in to the ford 20% reduction for elevation bs. They used to load up trucks with no issue at all and I bet this Toyota won’t have that overheating issue.

@@CodyLeslie I agree totally.

Hope they look better than the oem , just not a fan of the front end .

10 speed transmissions are old news, except to loyalists

@@cwqrpportable yeah maybe, but so are TT V6’s.

The 10-speed in the Tundra performed very well.

Ford Ecoboost trucks are excellent. I have a 2015 F-150 w/ the 3.5L … love the engine & transmission. 👍🏻