Hahahahahaha. I’m growing my hair for a fundraiser at my school. But yes, it is getting unruly! I’ll wear a hat all the time to hide it from now on!!!
@ianvankirk882011 ай бұрын
My Musk misgivings aside, I did want to comment on the content of the video. This was very helpful. A week ago my wife and I were talking about the deficiencies of the ID4 and the two things of main concern were the lack of backlit climate controls and no battery preconditioning. Knowing that one is addressed and the other might be in he ‘24 is really good to hear.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
There will be battery preconditioning as well!!!
@ianvankirk882011 ай бұрын
@@theaverageev Awesome. Now I just need to find the money…🤣
@katiecannon81869 ай бұрын
@@ianvankirk8820 As a GTI owner, the lack of back lighting isn’t an issue as I always the steaming wheel input. I mean, yeah, it should have been backlit. But it also could just be deleted
@bigbad2e11 ай бұрын
I’ll probably stick with my 23 RWD Pro for now, but I’ve heard the 24 will support battery preconditioning. That is definitely a must have for my next EV.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
My understanding is that 4.0 will have battery preconditioning. I will confirm when I hear about it solidly.
@ianvankirk882011 ай бұрын
Thanks for mentioning that. Battery preconditioning was a big concern for me with the lack of backlit climate controls being a second. I was coming in to comment on that.
@rasmusspringborg827811 ай бұрын
Very informative, thanks. BTW: That change in your voice at 7:23 was unexpected 😅
@winstonchoy841411 ай бұрын
Happy to hear about the improvements. If the MY2024 ID.4 RWD can manage ~300 miles EPA range with only a small price bump, it would be a pretty compelling EV.
@savedby_grace611011 ай бұрын
Just recharge it more frequently:)
@Bfm35910 ай бұрын
Tesla model 3 is way better
@Ty-ls5xg9 ай бұрын
And you know this because you've owned both? I've owned a model y and id4(as well as 4 other EVs) and the tesla was by far the least satisfying to drive.
@sephorabernard10 ай бұрын
So glad that I came across your video for the past few months I’ve been ready to pull the trigger on getting the ID.4 (which will be my 1st ever new car) but now I think I should wait for the 24. I hope that the price will stay the same cause I do want an EV SUV and the ID.4 is the perfect fit for me in terms of style and price.
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I actually have a video coming out next week about the 2024 ID.4 pricing, but I’ll tell you now! VW announced that they are keeping the same pricing for the 24 as the 23 in Europe! I would suspect that it will be the same in the US, but not official yet. I will keep everyone posted as I find out about things! Definitely worth the wait I think! We will definitely be upgrading to the 24 so I can bring helpful content to everyone!
@sephorabernard10 ай бұрын
@@theaverageev thank you so much for your feedback. 💜 greatly appreciate it. I hope my old car won’t clunk out on me before I can get my hands on the 24. Am now binge watching all your other vid’s!
@mattwilkinson11849 ай бұрын
One datapoint for potential range is in the image of the European 2024 ID.4 where the battery level is indicated on the steering column mounted driver information (@6:53). The current charge level is 85% and the current range indicated is 453km. This translates in to potentially more range that your guesstimate, maybe even more that 20 or 30 miles more. (fingers crossed).
@theaverageev9 ай бұрын
It would be nice! I know our ID.4 will over promise on the guessometer so that why I did t want to trust the number in the video. I hope you are right though!!!
@concertautist447411 ай бұрын
The '23 version is pleasing. I just think potential buyers can be rather clueless about what they're doing.
@V10PDTDI11 ай бұрын
Hi great video I'm from Canada and if you look on the Canadian VW site the rear wheel drive model have been sold out for months now you can only order a AWD model now I wanted to put a deposit like 3 weeks ago and they could not do it for a RWD so now I'm happy that I will be ordering a 2024 RWD pro base with no options now I wonder when we will get them here in Canada we tend to get new model year car a bit after the US market I sure hope that you are going to get a 2024 RWD same spec as what you have now so you can compare between the old one. I don't get the hate for the 2 window switch solution who opens the rear windows on a car with A/C and if you open the rear windows when the car is in motion then you have a very annoying wind buffeting and when I go into a drive thru I most of the time hit the rear left window switch can't wait for the youtube test drives.
@NIKEB0ARD7 ай бұрын
You're wrong about the liability. New IRS directive stated you will not need to repay if you have too little liability.
@theaverageev7 ай бұрын
Let’s take a deep breath. This video was made prior to the IRS guidance, I’m pretty sure. I have made subsequent videos explaining the tax credit nuances in detail for 2024. The reality is the written law says you need to have the liability. Which would imply you would owe the money back if you don’t have enough liability. The IRS came out with guidance that contradicts the law, however they are the ones who enforce it, so they are choosing not to enforce the law as written. So based on the guidance, yes you could get the credit without having the proper liability. They likely thought it was too hard to manage everything. I do not trust the government and would not recommend anyone without the proper liability to use the credit. Who knows if they will change the guidance at some point. But like you said people can do it, best to take advantage of it before the rules change or even the results of the election.
@michaelackerman80099 ай бұрын
I'm in the market for my first EV. I like the ID4 but it's just too expensive. I think VW needs to lower the price of the ID4 about $10,000 less across the board. The least expensive AWD model starts at $48,000. That's crazy.
@theaverageev9 ай бұрын
I agree that it appears expensive, but there are several reasons why it isn’t as bad as it looks. Before I talk about that. It’s worth noting that manufacturers are losing money on every EV sold. The only exception is Tesla who relatively recently started making a profit on cars. Batteries are expensive and the only way to cut costs is by increasing production. Most manufacturers are far away from this reality due to ICEs stranglehold on the car market. Hopefully this changes sooner rather than later!!! Anyways! If you qualify for incentives you can severely reduce the cost of an EV. In Maryland with incentives the ID.4 starts at $34k for the big battery which is more than reasonable give the amount of safety and drivers features you get. Some manufacturers you have to go up in trim to get standard features on the ID.4. Additionally, the cost of ownership of EVs is much lower. Likely a significant monthly savings. Additionally, fueling (especially at home) is typically cheaper for most! Some states like California are not as fortunate in this area. I respect your perspective! And agree that at first sight the cost is high. Hopefully you qualify for some incentives that allow for EV adoption to speed up. If not! I hope that prices do come down a bit. Not sure how far out we are from that actually occurring!!!!
@user-qi1ro8jh7z10 ай бұрын
I think I ll order the new 2024 ID4.
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
Glad I could help! I think its worth the wait, especially if the price remains the same!
@williamsloggy51449 ай бұрын
But no NACs.... Until the standard charging availability issue is settled I will stay ICE. also I have heard that the IRS does not want to deal with the paperwork of verifying tax refund liability so they said they will grant the full amount allowed to the dealer. That is sweet.
@theaverageev9 ай бұрын
We rarely fast charge, so I don’t think that should be the end all be all when deciding on an EV. If you HAVE to rely on a charging network then I agree. Also, it is inevitable that Tesla will open to VW and the remaining manufacturers. It’s just a matter of when! The ID.4 drives so nice and is so well built. With the improved software, it should sell well. I agree that NACS would make it a no doubter… but I think many people can still get it and avoid the potential annoyance of a shotty CCS network until Tesla opens and the NEVI chargers start to go online.
@gregpochet481211 ай бұрын
I don't like the movement of the Wipers and the gear shift toggle. It was fine where it was at. I own a 2021 RWD. What is the peak charging speed? What is the charging curve? Those are more important to me than range. So what if they added 10 miles of range. That is nothing. But if the peak is 225-250 with a good charging curve, now we are talking...
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
The charging curve should be exactly the same! Out of Spec just released a first drive video that I am going to check out later today! I'm sure it will be really informative! Kyle is great!
@victorcederholm53368 ай бұрын
New powertrain, more HP, better infotainment, better soundystem, whats not to like, they have fixed most of the major thing as i see it, i still hate the armrests in the frontseats, they are useless for me. I would have preffered the chinese specification for the middle consol.
@kevinn115811 ай бұрын
For sure they replaced the processor running the main software. The new software looks a lot better and it allows preconditioning of the battery when routing to a charger, and the new main screen is much nicer looking. I thought the black shiny plastic of the present one looked cheap. A shame they didn't ditch the shiny plastic on the doors as well. Also the torque figures increased massively. I think it went from 339 to 402 ft lbs for the AWD. That's going to shave a second off the acceleration times. I believe they changed the material on the steering wheel as well. Surround cams avail now? Heat pump is back for Canada. Premium stereo. I personally think this is a huge leap forward. As far as price, VW is facing a lot of competition coming soon. Blazer, Equinox, Prologue, EV5... and a redesigned Model Y soon. They have to be careful with their pricing.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Yes lots of good changes! I think price is going to be challenging. I think a price increase will turn lots of potential buyers off. We shall see though!
@kevinn115811 ай бұрын
@@theaverageev It has been fascinating to me watching EV sales. It seems like many first adopters have been willing to pay a lot for anything that's EV, esp here in Canada. People are still paying full MRSP, waiting years and paying the 8-9% lease rates. I really wonder how long this will last.
@theaaronimal11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! Very informative
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@amustafa269 ай бұрын
if I get the 2023 with the current software (I believe 3.5), will VW push the new software 4.0 update on the 2024 models to the 2023 models? Also, is preconditioning battery a feature on the 2024 or is an existing function on the 2023 as well?
@theaverageev9 ай бұрын
My understanding is that 4.0 will only be on 2024s and up. The infotainment computer has been upgraded with better processing to handle the new software and have snappier graphics. It’s also my understanding that it will have at least battery preconditioning when heading to a charger. Not sure if it will have manual battery preconditioning.
@JimSpence10 ай бұрын
Love our ID4 ProS AWD (23). It’s better than the Model 3 or Model Y we’ve had in the past as far as the actual vehicle goes.
@Ty-ls5xg9 ай бұрын
I could not agree more. I owned a model y, a Polestar 2 dual.motor, ioniq 5 AWD, genesis gv60, bolt and id4 and the tesla was a very bad driving experience due to complete lack of ergonomic consideration.
@jonerzinger987311 ай бұрын
Still waiting for for our 2023 Pro S AWD. Originally we were told 18 to 24 months which would put us into Q1, Q2 of 2024. What happens if we haven’t received our order? Do we get bumped up to a 2024? Do you know when the changeover from manufacturing 2022s to 2023s happened?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
That’s crazy! Most dealers have ID.4s on the lot ready to go marked under MSRP. Are you waiting on a specific color? I do not know what they’re going to do with existing reservations that have not been filled… I would hope they would honor your reservation… But I’m not sure. As far as I’m aware, after whatever date it was, they were no longer doing reservations.
@sprockkets11 ай бұрын
My local dealer in the middle of my small town in WI has like 7 of them if you want them :)
@eldos.19587 ай бұрын
Good job, do you think these updates will be available in the China mode ones.
@theaverageev7 ай бұрын
That’s a great question! I would think so? But I couldn’t find anything to confirm one way or the other.
@ianvankirk882011 ай бұрын
I used to be drawn to Tesla for all the things you mention…now…I just don’t want to give Elon any of my money. Once I get a trip capable EV I *may* use Tesla chargers if they’re more convenient but that’s about it.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! The other networks will improve or go out of business. It is just unfortunate that early EV adopters have to deal with the struggles of bad charging experiences.
@astrea7911 ай бұрын
So, I'm still waiting on my 23 reservation...😂 Expected delivery is October. At this point im curious if this car is ever going to get built. I think it might be worth waiting for the 24 due to the 4.0 software.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Definitely wait!!!
@kennywitham11 ай бұрын
Yeah, pretty sure my reservation would not be here yet either! I bailed a few months ago and found an amazing used one for waaaay less money.
@JimSpence10 ай бұрын
They are readily avail on the lots, no?
@kennywitham10 ай бұрын
@@JimSpence I think the big problem was we ordered the Arctic Blue or The Pro S Pluses. They are making very few of the Pluses due to supply constraints. I also heard they had a problem with the white interior and are mailing very few of those. Unfortunately that was my order so I pretty much got delayed indefinitely haha
@JimSpence10 ай бұрын
@@kennywitham interesting. I got lucky, we have the tourmaline blue w/ white interior. Even with kids it cleans up really easy. Looks really nice too.might as well wait for 24 now
@dfberry11 ай бұрын
I can't find your new channel, "EV Charging Site Reviews" using the KZfaq search. Can you maybe provide a link in your next "The Average EV" video?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
That’s strange! Here you go! youtube.com/@EVChargingSiteReviews?si=V56AHR6yNUh85dh7
@randybc699711 ай бұрын
I think with all the new features the price will go up
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
It is possible and maybe even likely! But would definitely be a mistake since dealers are already marking 23s off (I’ve seen up to $4,500). I know there is more to pricing than my feelings, but if they raise the price any more there is no reason to get one aside from the fact that you don’t want a Tesla. We shall see!
@alanbuck923711 ай бұрын
Some nice updates, but did they still not fix the stupid power window switches on the drivers door? Whoever thought of that at Volkswagen should be shown the door! 😂
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Yes, it appears they did not fix the window switches. If I’m being honest, I never open the windows so it’s not an issue I ever deal with. But for people that like to open the windows it is annoying!!!
@onederment10 ай бұрын
On the assisted cruise control is there any way to bump up the speed limit + 10?
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
You can set the speed to whatever you would like as far as I am aware.
@katiecannon81869 ай бұрын
It’s a 5 speed bump. Done by swiping up on the capacitive button versus pressing for 1 mile increment. It’s why I really love the multi functional capacitive buttons. It’s just the silly reviewers who don’t.
@tylerworkman64399 ай бұрын
@@katiecannon8186 Yup! Yeah I actually like them and have never had any issues. Same thing with the window buttons I never use them, so it doesn’t effect me!
@allenmyers856811 ай бұрын
Looks like VW has put the rear motor from the ID.7 in the 2024 ID.4. The specs are the same.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Yup!
@onederment10 ай бұрын
Wow... I wonder if I could trade in my old engine on my 1st edition for the new one?
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
Don't think so! But maybe you could trade in and move up into a 24?
@newchannel12317 ай бұрын
It's useful the kw figure of the motors
@DevQc7011 ай бұрын
Do you think that the 2023 ID4 will eventually get the software 4.0?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Nope! I think it will continue to get iterations of 3. Eventually someday? Maybe?
@DevQc7011 ай бұрын
Craps okay 😭
@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM11 ай бұрын
@@theaverageevAnd how do you know this? Is there a hardware change that would disallow v4.0 to existing MY2021-23? You don’t know.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
@@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM All of the sources I have read and watched. Stemming all the way back to Oliver Blume taking over as CEO have stated that old IDs will continue to receive support for ID Software 3. So that is why I am confident. Could they change their mind? Sure! Will they? Probably not. I don’t know the specifics of the computer within the infotainment for the new IDs. But one would assume they upgraded that hardware with better processing speed which is why the software is snappier. Hope this helps! I can only report on what I actually hear, and so far that is 21-23 stay on 3, 24 and beyond get 4.
@jrvasquez43538 ай бұрын
Of course it will.
@steigmic11 ай бұрын
Any word if it will be CCS or NACS?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
CCS. I will make a big deal about when VW goes NACS. Not sure when they will… but they will eventually!
@charalambosandreou357711 ай бұрын
Would you be able to retro fit the new screen to the old id4s?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
I highly doubt it… but you never know!
@charalambosandreou357711 ай бұрын
Another question:Will old id4 get the software 4.0?
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
@@charalambosandreou3577 Everything I have read is that old ID.4s will remain in 3.1 and continue to receive updates (still waiting on 3.2 in the US…).
@schlickit62811 ай бұрын
@@theaverageevthis is very disappointing. It looked like such a big upgrade
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
@@schlickit628 I knew it was going to be a design. But I think the motor improvements and having 4.0 are amazing! To each their own though!
@johandec7111 ай бұрын
hello, can you tell me if the old ID models will also have software 4.0 THANKS
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
It is my understanding that previous ID models will stay on software 3.1 and receive updates on software 3. I'm not sure if they will change their mind but that is what I have heard from interviews with the CEO and other EV journalists who have spoken to VW reps. I would imagine the infotainment hardware is update with better processors and memory to allow for the snappier response. I'm not sure if VW has the ecosystem and parts to retrofit 21-23 ID.4s. If they ever announce it, I will let you all know!
@krane1510 ай бұрын
Does it have the USB on the rear view mirror for a dash cam?
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
Not that I am aware of!
@jorgevieiro577411 ай бұрын
It sounds like too little too late. Even with those enhancements it will not be competitive with Tesla. The ID.4 needs to be 10K cheaper than the model Y to be competitive. I am strongly considering selling mine particularly after the awful experience with the VW customer care.
@theaverageev11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience!
@jonpetter892110 ай бұрын
ID 4 is going to stay. In my opinion a better "vehicle" than Tesla as well.
@rasmuspoulsen343410 ай бұрын
Shows how not even the Americans are comfortable with the imperial number system.
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of imperial, never have been
@dyancatamaran401610 ай бұрын
Hi revise the sound output volume.
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
Do you think that it is too quiet?
@dyancatamaran401610 ай бұрын
@@theaverageev Hi, you may try to hear others car reviewers (out of specs) and compare with yours. By just listening to the computer speakers as baseline.
@mattclark127810 ай бұрын
I just come here for the hair. Ridiculous.
@theaverageev10 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 I haven’t recorded a video since a deer totaled my Kona. My hair has only gotten worse. Hahaha!
@LennyMM8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately nothing can help this car for it is too heavy. The VW MPGe is the lowest in the EV field.
@theaverageev8 ай бұрын
This is not even true? The ID.4 Pro is very competitive in efficiency for its class 107 MPGe for the 23. 24 is rated at 113 MPGe.