Go check out the video we did on Eli's channel kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z6iPh8yBs5alYo0.html

I feel honored to be recognized as one of the six Jiu jitsu guys that watch your channel.

I love how after explaining to not put all your eggs in one basket, you make the joke of it’s ok to put all your eggs and one basket and he agrees hahaha

The good thing about using the Gable grip for the clinch is that you can still hold your tactical flashlight

Mike- "hey do you think this would annoy you for a cpl seconds?" Trained killer - " sure buddy" Mike - " woooooo yeah"

You guys are quite hilarious together. “So put all my eggs in one basket” “if that’s what you heard” his face when you say “you’re a big pain compliance guy…”

Twenty years ago I was using the can opener to open guard all the time. I had a series of passes I could use off of it. Now it's pretty much not allowed (though I still occasionally use it in the gym against big guys). Allegedly the downfall of the can opener happened when Jeff Monson used it to submit Marcio Pe dePano in 2004.

Specifically in the closed guard, YES! It's called a can-opener in jiujitsu, and you use it the exact same way; pressuring with your forearms against their shoulders to perform a neck crank and force the legs open.

I think what Eli was trying ro get at was: that clinch is a decent transitionary move, but not one you or your training partners want to spend a lot of time in or practicing. In jiu jitsu there's a lot of "proper" moves that everyone learns how to perform and defend against early on and then even more "improper" moves you can throw out quickly to confuse your opponent and make them do the wrong thing so they'll actually give you an opening for the "proper" submissions that they'd normally defend. P.S. to open the guard there's a move called "the logsplitter" which works well when combined with the "just stand up"

Wow, I love how you did your hands on the Muay Thai clinch, it's better than what I've been doing. I'm gonna do it your way from now on.

LOLOL his face when you were saying “so you’re a big pain compliance guy” 😂 almost snarfed my drink

I have been using the Thai clinch in my takedown game for the last 6 years and it is crazy how well it works, but crazier how much grapplers don’t really use it or know how to defend it (I’m talking about F2W quality opponents in the Purple and lower divisions). I love spamming the crap out of it because it fatigues them after only a few minutes

This video was all over the place but so entertaining. I enjoy both your channel very much!

I feel like we figured it all out in these videos.

I don't know anything about what's going on in this video, or many of the others since I'm not a martial artist, but Icy Mike still makes them interesting somehow.

Hard to Hurt I want to thank u for your inspiration and advice in training in something more local. After 6 years of no training I am now back, learning Gracie Jiu-jitsu at a semi local academy.

I love how much we are all paying attention to you explain your moves for jiu jitsu

We don't allow neck cranks at my club either. At least not in live rolls. They just cause too many acute and chronic injuries. We do drill them, but we just don't allow them when we're sparring.

Thank you I’ve been asking this question for the last two years!!!

I learned some sh/t from this! I think I’m gonna try to catch a seminar soon. I learn so much from this channel and laugh a good bit at the same time.

Weapon X Clinch has just entered my vocabulary

I mean, it has to Wait, there will be a Judo instructor? Oh God, yes!

4:14 the way he shakes his head and your reaction lol 😂 😂 😂 😂

Just took an Awesome impromptu Jujitsu class with Eli. What a humble warrior as well as patient and helpful instructor! You have earned my utmost respect 👊👊💥.

Appreciate the content Mike :)

I love your improvisational ones :)

Yes, yes it does. I can't wait to see my ICY BRO explain why.

always love videos that show position similarities between styles.

I'm the only one that does MT at my BJJ gym and I use the clinch a lot to sling people around, especially starting rolls from the knees. I also say oooweee while doing it.

Ya humor so elite 😭 I love it so much ! 🤣

Can't wait to try this and get submitted anyway because I don't even have the basics of BJJ down yet

Very interesting approach

I like how you flowed from one technique and concept in conversational way, it was like two classes at once lol (which is great because from a fighting/mma perspective techniques from each style will bleed into/effects the other) The fact that it didn't make sense barely registered!

I actually like that grip for wrestling, good shit Mike

the can opener the first submission ever

A couple guys on a mat discussing and trading technique might be one of my favorite parts of martial arts training

Every technique works anywhere along as you are good at it

Absolutely it can work! Most people at my gym and at other open mats usually have a hard time getting out of it or dont know how to react to it😂 it's definitely my favorite move

The way you do the muay thai clinch is awesome! Probably the reason the 'correct' way to do it evolved is purely because of the gloves.

nice, please more BJJ clips, I just started after watching your channel for a couple months. I thought I wanted to be a boxer but it made me exposed to it. I'm doing a trial right now and am going to choose one soon. I'll probably do their one boxing class on the weekend with it

It absolutely does work. I used it in full guard to disrupt the posture

The good old can opener. It won't submit anyone with experience, but it can be a sound technique to open the guard so you can pass to half guard or side control. Love it.

I don't know s4!t about Muay Thai, but the gable grip is how I clinch because that's how my wrestling coach taught it... And now Icy Mike and Eli Knight say it's good so I'm like an expert right? Great stuff as always guys!

I competed in judo for years and also have some beginner level experiences in muay thai including regular sparrings. Here's how I see it: having your opponent's had trapped in a proper muay thai clinch is a very dominant position that gives you high chance to hurt him badly under any of these fighting rules (his vision is blocked and his spine is compelled to a distorted position at the neck that severely decreases his ability to move): In MMA type of fights/sparrings with less srict rules there can be two problems: (1) if you start a fight and the only thing you know from clinching distance is a muay thai clinch, then you will be all about getting the opponents neck and you will leave your waist and legs exposed for jitsu/ judo/wrestling type of counterattacks. And an opponent with such experience will ragdoll you easily to the floor. (2) If you got the clinch fixed and you narrow mindedly use this position only to start bombing your knees (and the first knee would happen not to be a KO ;-) ) than you will be again in trouble. Because if judo/jitsu..etc. techniques are allowed throwing repeated knees from a clinch is not the wise thing to do. You will be down on the ground soon where grappling will decide who wins.

I thought that was Cowboy for a second. Eli's voice even sounds a bit like Cerrone.

Lots of good stuff for the grabby boys in this one

that is pretty cool and funny- the battle of the clinches :)

You were like 90% to a gogoplata. I can’t do it…but I’m as flexible as a 2X4. Sincerely BJJ guy #4

Hi Mike hope you don't mind me messaging you, you can do your Thai clinch against the cage and turn it into a choke by putting 1 of your forearms to the side also on the ground in side mount. Do your can opener opponent opens up tries to go left or right your into side mount from there move your forearm onto his neck while keeping the Thai clinch. You can use your Thai clinch to submit people with this choke from side mount from your opponent in half guard. Gable grip forearm to the side absolutely lethal gets fast taps. I feel why learn from scratch when you can work your muay Thai skills and other skills to help each other

I'd love to see you do a Collab with someone that actually knows how to use a karambit. I think you'd be surprised by it. Love the content

Doing a can opener slow and gentle just doesn’t happen actual reality A lot of the time Especially lower belts who actually don’t know how to apply it correctly or gently. And I’ll be quite honest with you if someone was consistently doing a can opener to me and threatening neck crank On the regular, I’m not gonna be training with that person all that often. I mean look, If you’re going into MMA fight or some type of grappling event with very little rules. Cool Go for it. But the regular training Where you have doctors lawyers and other professionals training BJJ. No bro don’t do it. Otherwise you’ll be training by yourself.

As someone who has done MT but zero wrestling or BJJ, this has given me hope lol. Im going to be starting at a BJJ school soon and i feel like I'm gonna suck ass slightly less having watched this.

I love the subtle British humor.

In the Thai clinch I’ve found I’m usually not able to “lock in” anyway, normally I’m pretty satisfied with mostly clenched and throwing knees or over one side and under on the other. Mike, do you find yourself using the lock when your tired or do you go for it early?

"8 of them will be awesome, one of them will be me" So SUPER awesome, got it 💪🏾

It may not be often, but I use the can opener. Usually, once I get the hand position, I worry more about the elbows to the chest to create pressure there. Then I use all wrist to slowly bring the crank on the neck. There's been a time when I had to calm someone the hell down, and I brought the pain, but that's only been once. Stack them, then drop down and crank. Definitely not a go to move. Very rare.

6:39 That was so romantic. Eli is such a slick one.

When I can't pass someone's closed guard, bicep rides and the plum is what I do to get them to be hand fight me, instead of setting up submissions. Sometimes I do get caught, but I was probably gonna get caught anyway if I had trouble passing in the first place.

Eli Knight and Icy Mike would be great in a buddy cop movie

This looks pretty similar to some catch wrestling stuff. And their thought is that you SHOULD create pain when you can because it's a good way to control ppl or throw them off

That's good shit right there💩👍 Marines are tought to do the underhand/overhand for holds and strike set-ups aswell😉 I personally think Mike was just feeling huggy though when he made this🫂🥊😅

Anderson Silva taught this at a seminar in SD and I’ve been using the gable grip since then. He showed it as a way to counter a Russian tie.

dieselnoi clinched like you do with the grip and he was the best ever at that clinch

Golden nugget there right at the end - wow!

Hi Icy Mike -- sorry to hijack this video with an unrelated question -- but I was wondering what your thoughts were on the practicality of bagua zhang for self-defense? Full disclosure, I've been practicing for a few years now, but haven't had a need to use it so far in a real world defensive situation - just sparring and practice. Thanks!

Muay Thai Clinch AND Greco Roman Clinch work good for BJJ. Is there any discipline that soley focuses on no gi grappling control of the upperbody specifically other than Greco Roman Wrestling to the extent of Greco Roman Wrestling? I don't think so. Having the upper hand in upperbody manipulation is profound in the application of Jiujitsu.

That can opener move seems really Effective I wonder why UFC guys don’t use it

As one of the 6 jiujitsu players watching this I immediately wanted to try that ‘submission’

My go to is to stand up, to break the guard, gi or no gi. Of course there are more details than simply standing up. But I think a good closed guard player should still drill and learn to deal with can-openers and similar attacks.

maybe next year. id have to save up for the 400 ticket plus hotel!! I'm saving up now

The neck crank is actually quite an easy move to defend although it certainly works and always needs to be considered from a defensive point of view. The reason it is somewhat avoided is that it is a too easy way for a complete newbie to seriously damage another newbie. It would be equivalent to allowing full non protected downward elbows to the frontal lobe in first day Muay Thai practice. Typical beginner moves that look cool but cause a lot of unnecessary damage to people who are only beginning in the sport/art. It cannot always be about the attacker, we have to consider the receiver in all martial arts.

I love how Eli added in that yank while he had you wrapped up, as if to say "this is for all the shit you gave me, throughout the video"

I tried to control someone in the standup with the muay thai clinch and my opponent immediately hit me with a basic hip throw

How can you thai clinch when either you or your opponent is butt scooting

Of course, it works.

Occipital ridge. Cool. Good word.

Eli looks like Donald Cerrone. Almost thought that was actually Cerrone for a second in the beginning.

My gym doesn't teach the can opener I'm gonna try that and see what happens Thanks Mike 😀 don't normally get bjj stuff from your channel

Are these submissions cool to use in rolling? I need to know

"Get in my guard bro"

I always find it weird that some comps ban things like a can opener.

I have a habit of going to the clinch but when I bring my hips in wrestlers aways get the upper hand on me

I see what you did there at the very end 😂

hello

I almost got choked out by with a thai clinch on the ground by my BJJ/Muay Thai instructor. He would squeeze his knees against his elbows from bottom position and the pressure from his forearms would cause a blood choke. Probably not going to get a submission against someone who's competent on the ground but it could create an opening to get a better position because if they dont address the choke pretty quickly they're going to sleep. It puts a ton of pressure on the sides of your neck. I'm sure it has an official name but IDK what it is and hes the only guy Ive ever seen do it.

Oh damn, I'm one of the six! 😂

So in this concept, striker in general is a dirty fighter. because all striking moves lead to make the opponent unconscious and can be pounded freely until ko

Mike: So tell us why this does or doesn't work Guest Instructor: Well first off..... Mike: OK let me talk about something totally different

The place I train BJJ considers the neck crank "bad form", but allows heel hooks, ankle and knee locks. Never understood that.

Mike says csn opener and I PTSD back to when my Sambo instructor "showed me" second week of training how to completely rip out my lats, traps and lengthen my spine with 4 inches. I couldn't move my neck for 2 months and whenever I go swimming my right shoulder goes "pop" with every stroke. Can opener...you can do it...and it's a dick move. 🤣

I wanted to make this work for my BJJ. But I always forget. I'm still new at cross training MMA & BJJ. Actually I have less than 18 months experience in either.

I've been watching king of the streets and as you know dude, absolutely no amount of sparring trains a person for the moment that a real street fight kicks off. respect dude👍💪

Could he do a no-gi baseball bat choke if he altered the grip on that clinch? Jk just heard him say it

Bump hips when in the clinch. When you sprawl hips away like that Of Course the Bjj guy has the advantage

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I don't have a problem with people doing a can opener on me as long as they're smaller, weaker, and worse at jiu-jitsu than me, so I wouldn't be mad at Mike for doing it. Just know the rest of the round is going to be spent with me doing the knee-on-face Kimura position and if I get the back I'm not going to fight the hands and I'll go straight to the face crush

The way you do the clinch grip is the way I do it too, And I do it this way because I have a poster of Karuhat Sor Supawan doing it . So people who say it's not correct, check Karuhat and go tell him he's not doing it properly.

No reason to attempt to damage the cervical spine of your training partners. Neck cranks and can opener are not ok

10:56 So who's that "Andersen Silas" guy, Icy Mike? Another friend of Sensei Seth? (Yes, I'm kidding.)

He said the opposite about the eggs in the basket 😂😂😂 I love muay Thai Clinch and do BJJ btw