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Hahahaha 😂

Yeah that ghost thing was unexpected and kind of funny

I have them as passengers every night.

@@username6135 care to elaborate?

And he and them are finished, professionally.

But not Christian Bale.I'm so sad for Kennedy:(

He's BAT MAN!

Just a .....plane....down to earth.....kind of guy.

@@fieldaj2011 He's a nice guy.

According to his instructor, he did not possess flying capabilities if the outside horizon is lost. His level of experience was also a major factor.

@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES did you know that passenger or co pilot seat was never found ? they found there bodies and the plane but that one seat is missing ! Word is he had a co pilot and they find his bag he kept his log book in but no log book found ? I call bs people fail to realize who he was running against ! Hillary ! Plus Bush jr was president and his uncle ted basically threatened people to find that plane because they were dragging there arses in the search ! They knew where it was and went down plus i find it very sad he crashes real close to his moms at Martha's vineyard !

I have 1000 hrs in night flight several in I M C

JFK was not instrument certified though, he was only able to fly from visual training.

JFK Jr's flight instructor offered to fly with him, but he refused.

@@mariel4085 I've had msfs 2020 for a week and I know you don't want to be fiddling with your radio mid air. You have to have a flight plan. Prepare your frequencies. How can you fly VFR at night over water?

GizmoMaltese you can’t really get disoriented in a simulator this can only happen in the real thing. It’s to do with the inner ear and you can’t experience it by sitting in a chair.

Jr was not fully trained on instruments He was only half way through.

Always trust the facts...

I know :( I was still hoping for a different outcome although I know the sad reality of course

Trust your instruments

They are alive

@@patriciaanzar8696 where is your proof? If you factually know this... do you realize how huge that story will be?

Allison one plane crashed because of the flying instruments, the instruments were showing the wrong things like the altitude was 1000 but on the instrument it showed 25000

all pilots do, whether they are officially IFR or just VFR. You trust your instruments.....never your ass.

Not too much...

Sure. if you're trained in how to use them. The first question I would have asked him boarding at dusk. "you instrument rated?". If he said no I wouldn't have gotten on the plane.

Allison he wasn't trained for the instruments which is what probably caused his death

Sabrina Dugan As John DeLorean use to say “ there is nothing worse than false pride and a large ego”. He believed that led to his downfall.

Kids never listen to their parents.....

@@mq2311 very true.

Terrifying....I can only imagine

That’s what I always think about too - how scared they must have been. They had time to realize they were going to die horrible deaths. 😢

Worse yet, imagine the horror of his murders when they find out the truth.....

Michelle Johnson the passengers didn’t even know anything was wrong. He didn’t know what he was doing.

@@lemonadelemon1960 the aircraft dove 2500 feet straight down in a spiral at terminal velocity - all 3 knew exactly what was happening.

Plus a foot in a cast, and who knows if he was on pain meds which slow reflexes.

It definitely would've made a difference if he had taken the somewhat longer route from Long Island up the coast of Connecticut and Rhode Island to Cape Cod. Then go to Martha's Vineyard from there. That way he could've used the coastline as a landmark.

What an arrogant fool...his Poor wife and his sister in law.

Drive...

I hate how this looks; it might have been so preventable. But it still hurts.

Unfortunatly, that was his biggest mistake.

Actually they do. And when they lie you have to figure out 1 which 1 is telling the truth in which one is lying. This is simple for a pro but not so simple for the part time pilot. Always take a instructor or at least a safety pilot along when in doubt. And what about a crosswind landing take an instructor for an hour and learn how to do it safely. It's easy once you learn how. Very intimidating until you do. That would be just one example

@@neatstuff8200 Great example. Thanks for the advice. And thats true Instruments can fail. Fortunately I haven't run into this ...yet

@@neatstuff8200 oh the crosswind crabbing it landing 😬

Wow!! That makes perfect sense. I wonder if it would have saved them.. Or if it was too late?

@Preston Hanson Spit only appears to go outward. If you observe the spitter from a central, stationary point above you'll note that the spit flew tangentially from the turn. In other words it went straight and only appeared to go outward from the reference point of the spitter who was turning.

He didn't spit. He probably s**t...

I know :( I felt the same way watching this

Forget spitting.. just drool and see if the drool goes up your face or down your chin.

Another mistake is John should have had his instructor as he normally did.

It was actually him that left late. It is covered very well in JFK Jr last 24 hours.

@@georgialee6755 Yeah his instructor offered to be his co pilot

agree night not the best time

zt1053 His regular instructor bailed out days earlier to go on vacation. He did talk with another of his instructors that morning but apparently about something else. The instructor apparently never offered to fly with him that night. But John should have asked him or another one. I was really surprised Carolyn went without him having an instructor.

I know. I can't visualize stuff like that, and that made my stomach do a down to my feet back up to my throat thing.

Yes it's horrible!

@@ladybhive1210 sad

J kK nothing killed THEM, all 3 are alive.......

right and declining the offer of an experience pilot to fly with you. He made a huge mistake that cost him his life and others

@Margo Lockweeze I never said he did. I said he declined the offer of a skilled pilot

@@animeopeningrankings all 3? Whom are you talking about

AnimeOpeningRankings stop

Kobe's pilot wasn't IFR certified either.

Considering pilots who crash are all 'Experienced', we're starting to realize experience means absolutely nothing. Planes are more liable to crash during landing & takeoff, when the Pilots are in control versus autopilot.

@@natashacutiepie6074 There are 2 types of pilots. Ones that can fly by their instruments, called IFR, and ones that have to fly by visual rules, called VFR. If VFR pilots are in the air and it gets dark, or hazy, or foggy, they will crash.

@@mcnasty4207 he was, the copter wasn't. get the story straight.

@@mcnasty4207 and also a good pilot knows when NOT to fly even if they can fly IFR

Flying that thing is too complicated. There are too many things to keep track of.

That’s the investigator

@@santoshkhadka8042 no its a ghost

The investigator was putting himself in a visual scenario to the event .

Bissante wasn't their last name. It was Bessette.

Oh ok thanks for the correction ….. lol😅

There were three losses that night. His sister in law was an extremely intelligent investment banker on Wall Street - what a shame

Or the perfect way to escape. Even though he wasn’t IFR rated, everyone knows to trust their instruments. I can’t imagine how many instructors told him about this exact scenario. It’s like the first thing you learn. You would climb instead of going straight down. John was very smart, not your average pilot. I can’t imagine an instructor that wouldn’t have demonstrated this to him. But who knows. He just doesn’t seem the type to panic easily...

I am not vfr or ifr...but i am wtg - way too good... So i can read instruments :).

If I were Caroline, knowing JFK Jr. was always a risk taker, I'd never get on the plane with just him piloting! A big boot cast, 8:30 pm, hazy, inexperienced flying at night and a stressful day...No Way was it safe!

Factual knowledge make things easier to assimilate. Points do indicate that the person operating the plane may not have been experienced to operate the aircraft depending on adverse conditions. And the beautiful gals, probably didn't know to consider their risks.

@@johnjustjohn8168 and there goes your ego, through the roof.

I also believe this is what happened

So sad

@@seductruss It can happen very quickly. Lose the horizon/ ground and your sense of "UP" gets very messed up. He may have stayed on VFR thinking that he would pop out of the soup quick enough to recover his track. Seems like he thought he had climbed high enough but wound up turning into the hillside. The impact with the ground was 180 mph. Lights out.

Trinity Gilreath - that’s true, but that event happened so long ago and I was able to process it. The Kobe event was more recent & downright shocking. I wasn’t able to process it & I wanted answers for closure. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@henrymontgomery5401 To me it is simple and straight forward. VFR pilot strays into conditions he wasn't ready for. Made a bad assumption about where he was. At 180 mph you don't have much time to react.

lol

Lol

@Israelite American greetings

@Israelite American cool learning about this crypto just knowing about it

Agreed!!!

Well said!

Beautifully stated. And he tried to do it with a busted foot.

Nick he had a lot on his mind at the time. A failing marriage a failing magazine and a cousin dying

Maybe he has a "Superman " complex???

Flying way outside his skill set and not enough brains to know it. The average non instrument rated pilot lasts 45 seconds without a horizon. He had a night rating. He did not have an instrument rating. He flew into haze. Count to 40. Are we turning??? Feels like it

@Goose Tater totally over confident. Untrained for the conditions . Non IFR pilot flying into IFR conditions. Most will last 45 seconds. At best. Caroline and her sister should have understood what they were getting into.

@@jefferydominator6520 Once again Jeffrey? In English

@@jefferydominator6520 dude .. no idea what you are talking about. Write complete sentences

@@jefferydominator6520 Buddy? I've been around aviation all my life. My brother was a pilot. I know what I am talking about.

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He, probably, told them that he made that trip many times and there was nothing to worry about. No problem. If he would have told them that his instructor warned against it, they, probably, wouldn't have gone. He was an emotionally disturbed guy who didn't have a father to raise him and that affected his cognitive skills. He was immature and dishonest. There are a lot of people like that in this world.

I think Lauren was possibly intoxicated with the notion of being personally flown to the Vineyard by JFK Jr and very possibly inserted herself into a marital situation and a trip where she had no business being. He was not her personal pilot and he likely had zero experience ferrying passengers to their destinations on time. If she had not been there as an obligation, he might have had less of an ego problem aborting the flight. We will never know if she kind of pressured him into going along, or she was the completely innocent victim. For whatever reason, Carolyn did not want to go and it’s entirely possible her sister did not want to see her split with JFK Jr-who would? John was ultimately responsible but I can’t help thinking that his hangers on also placed a lot of weird pressure to be around him in ways that we don’t understand. If he’d been alone, would he have had the same rush to get to his younger cousin’s wedding, would he have aborted the flight, or would he have been just relaxed enough to succeed? We’ll never know. It seems Carolyn was persuaded out of her better judgment by her older sister. Sad.

John was anything but emotionally disturbed. But his father had a helicopter land on the lawn anytime he wanted to go somewhere. He wanted people to leave him alone and he did not have the kind of parents who looked out the window and said, “It’s getting dark, better leave tomorrow.” His billionaire stepfather had a yacht and an island in Greece at his command. John was a smart impulsive guy, never dishonest, who was rich enough to buy his own plane and he did not know how to just abort plans because of a traffic jam and nightfall.

@@ravenel2 I can't fathom how either of you know whether the guy was emotionally disturbed, emotionally healthy, honest or dishonest. Unless, of course, you knew him extremely well, having seen him for years and experienced the best and worst side of his personality. In your defense, you weren't the first one to bring it up, but still, you don't know any better than Alex Vagias. At the very least, the guy was reckless and ignorant of the task at hand and willing to sacrifice the lives of his wife and sister in law to his hubris.

Yes you would. Spatial disorientation is a no joke. Also… instruments can fail. Then you are left there to diagnose which ones are true, and which ones are lying. Then you’re flying with partial instruments and having to extrapolate data differently. You’re a fool.

He should have had his instructor come fly with him when he realized they were going to be leaving a lot later than planned. Do that, or just have somebody drive them up.

I beg to differ. My husband is handsome as all get out. Way better than JFK Jr.

Wish Kobe's pilot would have read your comment sir.

She didn’t want to go. She shouldn’t. They should have just waited till morning.

Could’ve been Daryl Hannah.

Grill 'n' thrill for sure, that was a really awkward transition!

Pun intended

You never HAVE to get there. Great advice👍🏼

@Tenya lida and that's what you call taking risks

Bill S some of that was caused by risk taking. Joe Jr’s tour of duty was over but he had actually volunteered for a suicide mission. He was supposed to parachute out before the explosives went off but they did do prematurely. The sister Kathleen also died in a plane crash but she went up in bad weather. Michael was playing football on skis. The only curses were mainly the assassinations

@@georgialee6755 Thanks for that information. I did not know that.

Bill S You’re welcome.

I don’t feel bad for Ted he got away with killing Mary jo

Brains? meh.

He failed the bar exam 2 or 3 times, if I remember right. Decided to fly when he shouldn't have and ended up killing his family and himself. Not at all so sure about his smarts.

Being beautiful didn’t save him. His intellect could have. He shouldn’t have flown at night because he was inexperienced.

full of hair but empty of brain haha

Full head of hair

....yes.

Biggie Cheese Ikr, with all his money, why not hire a pilot.

Or at least hire a co-pilot to help out - the guy had a broken foot - he never should have been allowed to fly

Right!! Like wtf

Happy Happy wtf is wrong with you

Computer No he got himself into a graveyard spiral. It's s different phenomena than a spin.

sboudreaux27 that tends to be the case where accidents are caused by human factors.

His leg had no bearing in the crash.

How old are you

That's exactly right I was doing a moving job helping a lady and her son in law was a pilot and he was helping to so I got to talking to him and he said he was trained on instrument flying and he had to disregard what his body was telling him. And he said it wasn't easy but he learned it

Get to know your airplane as well as you can. Close your eyes w a safety pilot of course and listen to the ambient sounds of the engine and relative air flow at different airplane attitudes and power settings. That way trusting your instruments becomes a little easier as you can correlate it w the sound.

According to Johns logs of flight time.. he didn't have enough training on instrumental part he had to just enuff to get his license and to get his license but he was not well equipped in the night flight. Another thing that a lot of people talked about that live in the area going toward or near Nan tucket it's pretty tough place it gets foggy over that area has been a lot of some few accidents

Yeah, no.

Better yet have an instructor aboard next morning. Or best: take a commercial flight or drive.

Wayne Mathews finally a guy with brains!👍🏻

@@marlenathornsbeary2800 any plane is a death trap think of all the stars we lost .....

@Goose Tater According to the NTSB it was that simple had he set it in time

And his wife and sister in law?

It says this MAY explain!

descent

matthew roberts Yes Sir !!! And The Powers That Be Then...Killed Him.

He never radioed in. That is a lie. You are an ignorant dumbass.

No wonder this world is so screwed up people r just asses a person can't even give an opinion horrible people these days

deception....deception......to the tenth degree. Cover-up......

Mark Z absolutely on point. Manchurian candidate in right seat.

That was the clintons

Clintons were also like family to GHWB, so would implicate him and his control over the CIA, FBI, Deep State in the coverup. They needed one of their puppets HRC to have control of NY and could not chance it going to a Kennedy.

Good to see someone else remembers the facts from 1999. With the CoastGuard ooking in the wrong location it gave the (replacement) assassin flight instructor time to escape ~ get picked up by his assailants.

Adrian Larkins ☺

Adrian Larkins You are ignorant of the facts.

You are a liar and probably CIA since they killed him. Spreading lies as always. Look into it people.

Yeah that has got to be really tough watching that altimeter and remembering that up is the opposite direction of the force of gravity.

Ron H Nope. Not a joke comment unfortunately. Have you seen his dad get shot in the head and go back instead of forward?

True. A fighter pilot once told me that if you roll inverted and start pulling back on the stick with your eyes closed it will feel just like you are in straight and level flight even though you are heading toward the ground at a high rate of speed. The human vestibular system was not designed for flight. We are not birds.

@@joevignolor4u949 I was in a passenger in a Nanchang plane and the pilot was going to do a barrel roll. Eventually I asked, when are you doing the barrel roll? He said 'I've already done it'. I hadn't even noticed, which still blows my mind. So confusing. I did notice the loop we did though, and it was amazing!

@@Ceek30 Your vestibular system will fool you. Depending on how the pilot does a maneuver if the G forces are pushing you towards the floor of the plane you will feel like you are right side up irregardless of the airplane's real attitude. Visual references, if they are available outside, can help. Otherwise you need to look at the airplane's attitude indicator. The mistake JFK Jr. made was trusting his vestibular system rather than the plane's instruments. The attitude indicator was probably showing a sharp bank and the altimeter was spinning down like crazy, but he was just sitting there thinking that everything feels okay.

@@joevignolor4u949 Makes sense. Fortunately on my flight I wasn't at the controls. My pilot was a 40 year British Airways veteran :)

Would they have known they were crashing, or at what point would they have known?

This story a bunch of bologna and there was a documentary on how george bush jr had something to do with it... because he was missing the time of the innocent and was spotted near martha vineyard a few days before the crash....anyways the scenario was the pilot was a manchurian candidate (like the movie) and purposely flew the plane into the water near martha vineyard because details showed once they discovered the plain the fuel silage was turn off which is literally impossible unless manually done, the pilot and pilot seat was missing eventhough pilot was registered to the plane and called air traffic controls for the plane, and video said they delayed a search for jfk jr plane even after it failed to register its final landing for a hour or so ....yea do proper research this video is bologna what famous president or runner up pilot just starts hallucinates and drives his plane into the ground

@nooneknows9234 what are you even trying to say? And by the way, John FK Junior was suffering from spacial disorientation not hallucination.

@@Orlanzepol123 im trying to say he was murdered he didn't hallucinate either matter of fact he wasn't even flying the plane he had registered pilot flying .. but somehow the pilot disappeared once they found the plane wreckage... the strangest thing besides that tho was the fuel nozzle (can't think of the exact word for it) that prevent the plane from spirling to the ground freefall speed was turned off which meant some one on the plane had to do it....why you say that because it was literally impossible to accidently turn it off because you need 2 hands.... there as a video on youtube about it but of course its nowhere to be found now

get your facts straight - before you establish yourself as king. cast as removed. girls late is not a diagnosis that he is insane

Don't pilots go through flight simulators training?

No the day time was not overcast. The humidity / simmer heat causes the haze.

Thank you I know they said that one of the seats in the plane was missing. Did he leave it in NY or was it found finally and sent there?

@@ijvo1951 it was never recovered.... (rumors of a flight instructor being in the airplane are just that, and, unconnected with a guy known to be one of JFK Jr's flight instructors actually going missing afterward, and undoubtedly purely coincidental....if it happened at all!) All we know is...this sure worked well for HIllary!

Yes but he didn’t have instrument training. Biggest mistake was not having his instructor on board as he normally did

Chris Martin There is no evidence that the Clintons were involved. Literally none.

@@West_87 he isnt dead it was staged hes coming back 2020

@@lilnem4618 he is?

@@West_87 Regarding deep politics, only the result rise above the water matters. Any argument, explanation and narration are null. A VIP's death is the ultimate result, and the person who would benefit most is the killer.

@Lil Nem Not gonna happen buddy 😂

He did NOT have it on.