Amen!

Since we have no idea what happened why put the blame on anyone.

The owner went to go put the dog in a box stall but it bolted out past her and ran into the stands before jumping into the arena

@@saragregory232 things happen, but not usually for no reason. Leashes are freely available, and not expensive.

@@saragregory232 that does not sound like an irresponsible dog owner, just an accident that could happen to anyone. Why people are so hot under the collor over something so unintentionally is beyond me.

His color too ah so beautiful 😍

the tail is so full and so shiny. so muscular 😍😍 im in love

Right? Great herding dog.

Tracy M I have to disagree. A great herding dog is trained in recall and to be called off. This is just pure instinct in the dog not training

@@haleyhebert9702 Oh, I absolutely agree with you. My herding dogs will chase and herd each other and they've NEVER been taught. It's hardwired into their DNA. My comment was just to agree they are great herding dogs and yes, typical to the breed.

He is just a puppy not even 1 yet!

Anonymous Anonymous I know plenty of puppies (including my own) that had amazing recall before they turned 1 year

It's very common for dogs to come to horse shows/ competitions. It's always been that way. It's much more common for horses to get loose than the dogs.

ItsallGood If what you say is true and it is common for horses to go running loose at shows, then there are clearly major horsemanship issues at the shows you attend. What’s more, I see you have defended the dog on every comment. That makes me wonder if you are the irresponsible owner of the dog!

Claire McLeod in the 4H county I’m in, very little horses have gotten loose. The only times were the owners/people showing passing out, or the rider falling and the horse getting loose. Very little horses get loose outside the arenas

b e l o v e d Good to know.

@@clairemcleod8676 then you haven't been around horses or horse shows much. I've been showing horses for 40 yrs so I've seen plenty og loose horses and never a loose dog. In no way am I saying horses get loose all the time, but it happens . If a horse wants loose, it will do it. They can pull a lead out of your hand, they can break halters, get out of stalls. My main point is shit happens no matter how careful you may be. I defend the dog because everyone has vilified the dog's owner without having ANY idea what really happened.

It is very common for dogs to be at horse shows. But sometimes dogs can slip off leashes, or out a door before you can get them. It's much more common to see a horse running loose.

ItsallGood still that was not ok that the dog ended up getting in the arena and ruining the guys chance at winning. If you bring a dog. Make sure it doesn’t get off the leash. If you can’t make sure of that. Don’t bring a dog.

Please make sure he isn't too close to the horses! It may be stressful, even if the dog is only barking. :)

@@madiinash I can't see how that would ruin his chance of winning, any judge worth his salt, will either let him begin again or not count off for anything that happen because of the dog. In fact the horse's non-reaction might give a few more points. I totally agree that all dogs should be on a leash, but we have seemed to forget in recent years that sometimes stuff can happen no matter how many precautions we take.

ItsallGood you don’t take a dog like that to a show. Period.

When I was taking lessons as a kid my dad always got permission from the stable owner to bring our puppy by and walk around the property while I had my lesson. As you say, it’s great experience and does a lot to socialize the dog and help them be better behaved later on. He was just careful where he took the puppy and only got so close to the horses, especially the first couple visits. (Once the puppy got the idea that horses were not for chasing or barking at, then they came closer, but only to where was okay - so not to the arena where people were having lessons, mostly around the school horses being groomed who were used to dogs. Again, he spoke to the stable owner first every time.)

You have a setter gordon?😍

@@miladeneux792 had. 😔 For 12 years. Best. Dog. Ever.

@@comesahorseman oh sorry :( My family was breeding setter gordon they were absolutly stunning and won a lot of trophies they are amazing dogs 😍

@@miladeneux792 no problem. And yes, they are wonderful dogs. Cheers!

silverpurkat in America there is no licensing for service dogs

And sometimes accidents happen, a dog can slip out of its collor, pull a leash out of you hand or get out of a car before you can catch it. By all mean a dog should be on a leash at any public event!! But accidents can happen.

ItsallGood That’s why people shouldn’t bring their dogs. What if that incident caused the rider to lose the competition how would you ever know it wasn’t done intentionally?

ItsallGood you are definitely the owner LMAO

@@mogauthier1000 you think a person brought their dog to a horse show, intentionally let it go, just to cause the possibility it could cause someone to loose? That's a little far fetched. And judge worth their salt, is either going to let you start again or not count off for something like that. If this was a common accurence at all horse shows then maybe that should be looked at, but this seems to be an unusual thing.

Accidents do happen. I'm sure the dog owner did not intend for that to happen

@@itsallgood4093 they have rules of either "no dogs" or "dogs on leash" for a reason. That dog running out is a huge liability to the horse and rider. What if they got hurt? I don't give a shit if it was an accident or not. Maybe they'll think about bringing their dog after paying a fine.

@@itsallgood4093 This "accident" would have been incredibly unlikely if the owner had kept their dog properly leashed, and it would have been impossible if the dog had been kept at home. I think it's only fair that if the owner of this dog is so willing to risk the safety of the horses and riders at this event, he should also be willing to risk paying a fine. Why should other people be the only ones who have to pay for his stupidity?

@@itsallgood4093 Yes, idiots do cause accidents. It all ended well but it could have been disastrous.

@@janinecarson8380 walking out your front door can be disastrous. Maybe we should all stay inside.

Chesney Brown he was on a leash all day and is only a puppy so he is learning. This was a total accident on all parts

It wasn’t herding, he was overly excited and dogs chase anything that is running.

Fresh Peppers border collies have natural herding instincts and this one for sure looks like a working line dog. You can see it several times get low and come around the horse to try and herd it. Although I agree it was very excited and was only chasing at first, it was definitely herding after that lmao

That is what border collies are meant to do

Tayla Atkins have u even seen a western saddle before?

Exactly, as soon as he went into the lope, the back part and pad kept raising up.

Gaping mouth, head way behind the vertical. No one's going to talk about how this is not framing up well and not at all a good reining run?

I have. It should not have 2 inches of air between the skirt and the horse's back. It's also very long for the horse's back, but I don't know if that's the style right now. I know for a fact tipped downward in front is not.

Dogs are a very common sight at almost all types of horse shows/ competitions. Really most horses are not that bothered by dogs. Crowds are much louder. As you can see this horse could care less

Most "service dogs" are nothing of the sort and have fake credentials as such so they can be taken in stores, on planes, out in public areas that otherwise ban generic household pets. I've seen a few dogs that appeared to be legit with autistic kids and adults with obvious emotional disorders, but the rest of them are as phony as a $3 bill.

DoubleDogDare54 I’m aware that many people fake having a service dog just so they can bring their pet with them. However, it becomes apparent quite quickly if a dog isn’t a real service dog.

ItsallGood I’m aware, I just don’t think they should be. Simply for safety, bringing dogs is opening the door for things like this to happen. And there is really no need to bring your dog with you to a horse show. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Just the way I feel about it. I love dogs, but they belong at home unless there is a serious reason.

@@larkluvshorses7631 I agree with your statements about service dogs. Few are really true service dogs. As far as dogs at horse shows, I've been showing for 40 yrs and have seen plenty of dogs at shows and not once has it been a problem. Nothing is ever perfect, accidents can always happen. We can continue to stop doing everything because something happened one time.

It is great

Rbuffdogs I think you should be slapped! It was no ones fault it happened! Ugly dogs btw :)

Absolutely an accident that should not cause people to not be able to bring dogs to shows.

These dogs are capable of jumping a fence there even sometimes in competitions to do that so the dog should have been on a leash and tied in the stable or wherever the heck she put it how dumb is that

@@kathleenmurphy2379 a stall is not a fence, it's an enclosed box basically.

I had a horse and I know what a stall is but these dogs can get pretty high up in the air and practically climb out of his stall I know it's not a fence because offense a horse could get over but thank you so much for trying to straighten out something that you thought I didn't understand

@@kathleenmurphy2379 your welcome.

My old man had an answer to nuisance dogs - a pellet gun. He always aimed for the hindquarters. Won't kill the dog but will do some damage and will stop a nuisance dog cold. Will probably require a trip to the vet afterwards to dig out the slug or treat the bruising, that's your problem, keeping your mutt under proper control would have prevented that from happening in the first place.

Seem like folks you know need to also learn how to sack a horse properly. Sacking out is my big preachy soap box issue.

When I was 12 years old my dad got me a yearling filly named Pepper, not realizing that she needed a more experienced trainer. She was a bit nervous around our dog so we kept the dog in the house when I was working with the horse. About a week after we got her I was lunging her in the pasture when one of my brothers accidentally loosed the dog, who ran up barking. Pepper panicked, jerked the line from my hands, took off terrified of the dog and the dragging line, ran into the fence, flipped onto her head, and had to be put down after not regaining consciousness. I was so devastated and 58 years later I still blame myself for not holding the line tighter.

Use periods. Holy shit, that was painful to read.

Laura Smith he is always on a leash whenever he out of the house :) he happened to slip out when being kenneled for dinner

I'm sorry they will nip a sheep's feet if the Sheep doesn't answer or they will nip the sheeps behind. But when they nipple shape in any place usually there's lots of fleece in the way so it doesn't break the skin or hurt the Sheep. But if that dog had nipped near the ankle of that horse it would have been dead with a Blow To The Head. Thank God the horse didn't break its leg because then that dog would have killed that horse and Riders have been severely injured when they're horse falls. My cousin was at a horse show showing her horse had a helmet on and her horse slipped on the concrete Runway or something and fell and when Patsy fell off the horse landed on her head crushed her helmet she survived for a few years but her brain was injured she couldn't walk it was horrible. That guy only had a cowboy hat on

Janine Kennedy owners know he isn’t obedient as he is only a puppy (not yet 1) he is always on a leash google the interview after for all the details on the situation

Not necessarily. reining saddles do that honestly. it is more likely the cinch is two tight. Or the reason why the saddle is popping up is because he’s standing up in a stir up so he’s putting all the weight towards the front of his saddle. The other reason why I would say it more likely it does fit since he does not have A breast collar on the saddle. Which means The saddle does not slide back when he does more intense moves. Here is a good video on saddle fitting reining horses kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNFoiaVz0N2lmoU.html

Kelli Johnson yes!

All is fine as long as they are used correctly. He wasn’t whipping his horse or pulling his mouth off. But I do agree a lot of equipment. But nothing is worse than the soaring they do to TW for saddle seat riding..

It’s actually quite good for horses. Everyone should be practicing a bit of long and low in any discipline. It builds top line and stretches a horses back

@@saltyfroots9 No it's not, not to that extreme, they can barely see. Have you ever seen a horse ever on it's own carry it's head that way? They would be toast in the wild as predators would easily pick them off.

Jane Tannerevans these aren’t wild horses though are they. They don’t have to be worried about predators and what makes you think they go around like this all the time? Firstly western pleasure horses are bred to have a lower headset, secondly they are only asked to be in this position when being ridden, which is a fraction of their lives compared to all the time they spend without a rider on their backs.

Going long and low is very good, I MUCH prefer to seem them going like this over having their head tucked into a frame which is very unnatural. And for being able to see - when you let the horse see it's footing for instance you let them stretch DOWN so they know where to place their feet. It's also called trusting their rider on direction.

That's a horse bred specifically for the sport of reining. They're shorter than other quarter horses bred for other purposes.

@@suzanneyoung8011 was actually referring to the thin neck and incredibly small head with the deep arab dish. I'm familiar with that horse's pedigree. It's got good foundation stock.

Pulled down too far.

Exactly it can hurt the horses neck

OcalaBoxer I don’t see them that low in English competitions and other stuff. His reins are loose but he forces the horse to do that which isn’t right. It’s the same thing if we bend our backs to much and it horse. The horse bends it’s neck then it hurts same thing. Just people don’t realize that horses have feelings too

OcalaBoxer if you think it’s low then why does he almost touch his chest? He definitely shouldn’t be doing that. It’s the same thing as us bending our backs to much. It just causes them pain

OcalaBoxer I’m not saying it hurts the horses back. I’m just saying it’s the same if we bend of backs to much it causes pain. If the bend their necks to much it causes pain

I'm pretty sure that it was the bit, I've been taught to not ride in bits UNLESS you absolutely need them, this horse right here looks like he was uncomfortable with the bit. Having that said, people nowadays should know better when putting a bit on their horse, if you ride in a bit, make sure the teeth are floated, I bet the horse was getting the sharp points on his teeth causing the discomfort and pain. Do not hate on me, I was taught different and taught to be aware of how the horse is feeling before you ride. Ellen, Good luck with riding!

And I've been around horses for 4-5 years, with all with different ways of riding and such, I'm not a cranky troll, I have a horse, got him a year and a half ago, and I'm still training him.

@@Hannahs_Mustangs thanks, that really helped!! I know rubber bits can still hurt if they aren't used correctly or the rider is pulling super hard, and same with metal of course. I ride with a rubber bit (my trainer's horse, English riding). I never ripped his face off or anything, or even got much of a "oi stop that" from him, but I do tend to pull on accident when I'm posting or doing 2 point. I'm only trotting a little rn, but teacher had me practice positions so I know them well come actually needing them. I also tend to pull a bit harsher when asking him to stop, and I just need more opportunity to fix it by doing, cuz I know how XD I love though that my teacher pushed the power of body language, for the horse especially, and for myself. I don't kick when I want him to move, I squeeze, I lean when I turn, I sit back when I woah. I feel a disconnect from any partnership with him (but it's there), but that's because he isn't MY horse. We work well together though and we treat each other with earned respect. I love him though and really look up to my trainer. Honestly now I low-key wanna ask if we can spend half of my hour off the saddle doing something focused on body language and partnership or something. Does that sound dumb??

@@Hannahs_Mustangs also it's not to accuse, it's a precaution. I'm sure we both know there are some bitchy equestrians out there who are talking about subjects they know little about. I wouldn't consider myself an "equestrian" but I'm earning my way there. Looking at comments and videos on KZfaq, and from what I've seen IRL I can confidently say my trainer is teaching me the right things and humane way. I don't wanna say right because there's multiple ways to teach similar things, but I was going for she wasn't teaching the WRONG things.

Sorry I'm wordy X3

Barbara Dyson it’s for the discipline. There are very, VERY few disciplines in which a horse actually has a natural headset. Plus long and low is sooo good for horses. Everyone should be practicing long and low in their rides no matter what discipline they do. It helps build a topline and stretches a horses back. So it’s all good!

Bring long and low like that is actually a very good thing for them. It's way better then having them frame 😬.

@@celenamcstravick3952 so you're saying that horses go like that naturally and don't have to be trained.

@@saltyfroots9 how does it stretch a horses back when someone is sitting on a heavy saddle on a horse, so when a horse canters or gallops it's better that his head is low, does that apply when he jumps

Barbara Dyson it doesn’t matter if someone is on their back, that doesn’t affect the horses ability to stretch or use their muscles at all. During ridden work long and low is very good, even if it’s not the entire session. I do at least 15 minutes of long and low per ride with my horse and I’m an English rider. Jumping is a completely different thing and it’d be physically impossible for a horse to be long and low while actively jumping, and while in between jumps it wouldn’t work because they need a higher head set to see a jump properly.

Nope, unfortunately just about anyone cane bring there dog to a show. Some shoes have leash rules but most I’ve been to don’t.

It's been common for years and years for dogs to be at horse shows in the US, but they should always be on a leash. But sometimes accidents can happen, just like horses can get loose sometimes.

ItsallGood Sorry mate, there’s a huge difference between “accidents can happen” and negligent, irresponsible dog owners. Take dogs out of the equation and there’s one less dangerous possibility to manage!

MissRightTurn That’s sad to read. It’s a dreadful error of judgement on behalf of the horse show committees. It’s high time they put safety at the top of their agenda!

In the 40 yrs of showing horses with dogs being allowed in, I have never once seen this happen. We will just have to agree to disagree.

no, the owner should just need a warning, NOBODY GOT HURT!!!

It shouldn't take a death to ban people... But in this situation .. It should give just cause to ban dogs from shows. Unless it's a service animal.

Everytime a person with little to no knowledge talks about a bit being painful, an angel looses it's wings. It getting ridiculous. "Hackamores are not more humane because there is no bit in the horse's mouth. Hackamores can be very harsh, causing severe pain to the horse's sensitive face. ... Beginner riders with a tendency to hold onto the reins for balance may inadvertently pull on the horse's face, causing pain and confusion."

Exactly, he was doing exactly what he was made for. Owners fault, not dogs. They are meant to herd.