I'm sorry but I can't stop noticing the peak clipping in this video.

You know what, I think I'm gonna use my shotgun mic indoors even more now!

Short shotgun mics (like the 416) get used all the time on film sets even indoors. The difference is that they bring in sound blankets and treat the space they're filming in for better audio. Truth is that any mic is going to sound terrible in a small reverberant room. In fact, sometimes a short shotgun will actually be better at blocking out some of those reflections than an SDC. However, what needs to be taught to beginners is to use sound blankets. Get a couple of them that are white on one side and black on the other. They can double as flags and reflectors for lighting while drastically improving the quality of your audio. Once you've treated the room, pick the mic that has the right polar pattern for the audio you're trying to capture. An SDC is going to sound terrible in an untreated room but I guess it'll sound terrible without comb filtering lol. Although yes, even in a treated room if you're booming near a low ceiling that is reflective you're going to get some bad audio. Use the right tool for the situation, but there isn't a hard and fast rule on what to use indoors versus outdoors.

location sound mixer: Am i joke to you?

I think when you use the term worst, you are definitely exaggerating how bad they are indoors.

I dont recommend what hes going for here for beginners. As others have said in the comments. A $200 Shotgun mic is going to be 80% of a $600 SDC indoors. When you factor that in along with a shotgun mics versatility outdoors, if youre a beginner a shotgun mic is the way to go along with a Lavalier mic. Once you improve and find out that this is the job for you and you become an amateur solo videographer THEN you can upgrade to better indoor gear. You cant go wrong with a simple AT897 for most use cases early on.

Your title is wrong! It should be "Don't use shotgun mics for ...". There are a lot of setups (e.g. outdoor) where a shotgun mic is perfect. So, please, be fair!

Great video. Just to make it easier on everyone, I purchased two Schoeps CMC6 with the MK41 caps in 1989. I change out the caps to MK4’s when I started working on the X Files and everything I’ve done since then has been that way. So yes it’s expensive, but you’ll never buy another mic for interiors ever again. I have tried all the others, but always end up back with the Schoeps. For outdoors, it took a while, I went from 416/816 combo’s to KMR 81/82 combos and around 2000 I was given a Sanken CS-3e and it was brilliant. One last thing to add, my lavs are Sanken cos-11’s. they blend perfectly between the CS-3e and the CMC6-4. Your videos are spot on. Keep up the great work. Michael Williamson c.a.s.

Yes, i’ve discovered this recently also.. I also discovered 3U Audio and a single SDC hyper cardioid starts at $208 US. They are very good Neumann style microphones. 👍

The vocal delivery on this segment is quite harsh to the ears. That's not good for a segment on capturing good vocals. The attack at the start of sentences especially is jarring. Maybe it's a heavy application of post processing attack or maybe the announcer hasn't got the hang of speaking calmly and smoothly. I hear this far too often on many YT channels.

You really know your stuff. This will probably change which mic I purchase for the department. Thank you.

Very timely and useful video as I was about to purchase a shotgun mic for indoor dialogue in a echo prone room! Gone for a Røde NT5 after some further research.

you should read correctly the link to comb filtering effect, like this part : Here are situations where you will commonly encounter comb filtering. Using two mics at different distances from the same source. Note: If the distance between the mics is large, then the dips will be small enough to be unnoticeable. Having a hard surface near a microphone. The reflections off the hard surface can cause an audible delay perceived as comb filtering, similar to the way that light reflects off a mirror. Having a hard surface reflecting a speaker sound. If you have a hard surface that is creating a dual path (speaker to ear plus speaker to surface to ear), then it can create comb filtering in your monitoring. Using two speakers projecting into the same space. In live settings, using multiple cabinets whose coverage overlap can create comb filtering in that overlap.

unless the guys audio sounds like Chris Judd or Gerald Undone, it's hard to take in his advice. This guys audio doesn't sound that good. Just average.

Brilliant - fantastic advice - thank you.

Absolutely right! 💯 Best greetings, Matthias

Thank you for the info. It helped a lot.

It's true that one learns something new everday. Thank you.

Thank you for the information. You deserve more audience, more subscribers.

I came across a retro SDM without realizing it it’s from radio shack I couldn’t find anything on the microphone but when I tried it it sounds amazing doing some deeper research in the 90s shure used to make microphones for RadioShack

Thank you! Great information! What level should I set my mic gain at in an untreated room for KZfaq videos? The mics I use are the Shure MV88 and Rode Videomic Go 2.

Very very valuable.. Thankyou

I went broke just watching and wishing for microphones 😂 Awesome video, thank you so very much.

What makes the Sennheiser and Scheops worth 2-3 times the Audio-Technica? Do they have longer reach, lower self-noise, and/or better side rejection? Assuming you’ve tried them all, do you think the price difference is warranted? If you have any audio comparisons, I’d love to hear them as well. Thanks!

Lovely!!

great video my friend. Cheers

You're amazing, thank you so very much for this video !! Unfortunately, I do this mistake, but, even if I wasn't know about comb filtering that you're talking, I quickly find the sound was in trouble with my AT897 shotgun. ^^' You confirmed this. Then, I bought the AT8033 ('cause I'm a beginner and i'm not rich aha) and hope it will be better. See that next week... O_O Anyway, thanks again for all that you learning to me (to us !) on you're videos ! (PS: Sorry for the bad english guys. Hope you're understood it...)

I still prefer my rode ntg / go2 indoors and outdoors. -and never hab any “filtering effect” -SG-Mics for the W 🥰

With all the respect, shotguns in filming are great choice but you have to really operate the boom, not just stay there daydreaming with somehow raised hands. If you can't afford real boom operator, go for Sanken cos-11 under clothes. But pencils... maybe for press conferences in controlled environment where everything would work including PZM.

I sculpt clay projects and want to start filming them with good audio and I figured a shotgun mic over the table would work best. Should I get a different kind of mic for that?

Hi DIT Media, I'm trying to decide between a pencil, shotgun, or lavalier in my uncommon situation. I'm going to attempt to make a drum lesson youtube channel where I will upload recorded videos: Of me gradually speeding up drumbeats and drum fills so that my students can play along with the pre-recorded videos. While I'm playing, I want to give live technique pointers into a mic. I will also be telling stories into the mic as I'm playing. The room will not be treated other than that it is carpeted, and the wall behind me will have blue video-studio paper taped to it. NOTE: I will be using quiet Zildjian L80 perforated cymbals, and electronic drums. I have an AT2035 as my overhead. But I really need a good voice mic. So, i need to keep enough of the cymbal sound out of my speaking-mic that my students can hear my voice clearly enough in the mix that they can hear subtle inflections. I've been testing with the AT2035, but because it's omni-directional, I'm just not getting away with it. I've been testing on my students online over Zoom. Most of them can't understand most of what I'm saying while I'm drumming. --Unless I put the AT2035, right in front of my face. I don't want to deal with any batteries or wireless. I'm using a Scarlett 18i20. And I have plenty cables and 18i20 is within reach. It has four v48 inputs, three are available. I need something with a great voice sound that will cut out plenty of the cymbal sound.. It doesn't have to be expensive, and I prefer that it isn't. Especially because bleed is unavoidable even with super and hyper cardioid. I just need something that will turn on, rather than turn off the listener. And I need it out of frame, unless its a lavalier,. I don't care if a lavalier is visible, as long as it's not obscuring my face at all--which would inhibit the drama or humor of my stories. I know this is a crazy problem. I hope you run into these kind of situations in film. Thanks, Ned :)

Thanks for the overview. Curious why your floor in this list was starting at 600usd. There are pencil mics that are under 600usd and not horrific for their sound: RODE videomic NTG Oktava MK-012-01 Paying for a pro mic isn’t wrong but something that costs about 50% the cost while providing 80 to 90% of the sound quality feels like something you want to cover.

I'll be using my Audio Technica AT875R for a short film in about a week. I'll be filming indoors in an untreated room. Can I get away with using this? Or should I rent an MKH 50?

Nice video, I can tell you know what you're talking about, but some testing would be nice.

Thanks for this great video. Now I know whats wrong with my audio😅

I subscribed. Thanks! Pls post the lavalier Vid :) I have a small room I film unboxings in. I was thinking to use a Sennheiser ME2-II Lavalier, and make a small boom/stand set-up (sometimes clip the mic and sometimes boom it at one foot above my head. WDYT?

Remington is pretty good but I still prefer a Mossberg. And the Mossberg just sounds better when you're blasting away.

My friends and I are going to start shoooting a primarlyy outdoor movie, do you still sugest to not use a shot gun mic or should we opt for an LAV mic?

Great video man. I have a problem and is that i live in mexico and there is not rentals. The rode videomic go ii or deity V-Mic D3 Pro would work?

The 416 shotgun seems to work ok for vo pros like Joe Cipriano.

thanks for the video, would those pencil mics also work to pick up speech like 5-10m away max? it doesn't have to sound great just ok with not too much static and background. I would like to use it mounted to a camera in a conference room with participants. I looked into shotgun mics like the Rode ntg3 but also read about them being a bad choice indoors. room mics are not an option because there is no table and people move around.

Yeah, let's spend 600 dollar on a pencil mic, shall we?

Record a live band.then record with your phone.see if there is any difference. Phone mic should be made alot better. Specially every one record everything with there phone.

Schoeps CMC641 is not RF biased by design hence more susceptible to moisture if you are in humid areas. Hence, I went with the MKH 50 since I live in tropical country.

Shotgun mics are good for indoor voiceovers IF IF the space is well treated. Half the top VO actors use the Sennheiser mkh 416, a shotgun mic. However, a small booth would require 8” of treatment! That’s not practical for most of us. My $100 AKG P170 sounds better! I have a 416. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hr9ghbN_ndHamKc.html

Lav Mic, what's that you have clipped to your shirt? One of those fancy pencil mics, oh, must have been that $1700 Shoeps Pencil Mic, what else? 😎😎

Hi! which Sennheiser xlr mic would you suggest? 416?

can you recommand under 100 dollars.if not give me some points to consider while purchasing i will use mic for youtube videos

I am a musician that wants to make music videos, i sing and play banjo. I would like to make videos indoor and outdoors. Wny suggestions. Thanks. J did not understand when you said dialog im a music recording studio. Why dialog. Not music. Thanks alot

Why don't you just stop being a clickbaiter and call your video "why using shotgun mics in un-soundtreated rooms may not be the best solution"? Clickbait is *the* best way to stop people from taking you seriously, like I am doing now.

DIT Media, I’ll send you samples of indoor audio without any post processing. Do you think you can recognize which mics were shotguns and/or what any of the mics were? Because if shotgun mics are the ‘worst,’ you would obviously be able to choose which ones are worse, right? But if not, why not? Note: This called a ‘blind’ test-so your biases won’t lead you astray. yYM

cardioid is better for indoor. otherwise there is no point in not using the shotgun

i’m so tired of crappy click-bait titles. *sigh*

regret it too.

>starting >1k

Schoeps Pencil Mic! 😎😎

The at4053 is now 700 usd haha they judt increased which nkt budget friendly anymore. Japanese companies are increasing prices for economic reasons not value reasons

When you make blanket statements like you did in your description, don’t lecture anyone like that. Every mic has a purpose and that statement is remarkably stupid. I don’t care what the video content is.

I shoot news, and even with a top of the line Sanken CS3e, anything indoors such as a quick off the shoulder SOT, always sounded like you were in a bathroom

IM a 45 yr pro and LOL dhde you are so WRONG STOP telling people this STOP IT!!! a sennhiser 416 is standard for a reason. A RODE NFG3 OR 5 will serve you well. Talk to TOM ANTOS well tell you. STOP LYING TO PROPLE DUDE. IVE RECORDED PRO SOUND SINCE 1979 STOP!!!!!!

I don't film movies... so...

Man you keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Get to the point, i stead of extending your video duration.

George Lucas is 100% right.

everything I've learned in the last 20 years in this area of ​​"microphone/technology" is that you always do what works best for you. Everything else about "do this and don't do that / do it one way or the other" is just stupid talk and can be ignored. So this Video is for sure useless.

Are you from Russia or Ukraine?

Shotgun microphones are a type of small diaphragm condenser microphone. This is literally the worst video ever about microphones haha LITERALLY 🌈

Ive worked on pro movies and dude....uour info is SO WRONG.... STOP!!!