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DON'T Buy a Used Mining GPU! - $h!t Manufacturers Say
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0:00 Intro
1:55 Background Info
3:15 Test Setup
4:10 Test 1 (10 months)
4:49 Test 2 (18 months)
7:12 Test 3 (4 years)
7:56 Conclusion
8:13 Buying Tips
10:48 Outro
@zengwenxin8402 3 жыл бұрын
Smart full-time miner: lend my GPU to LLT so that gamers are confident to buy my cards when the crypto crashes.
@vgamesx1 3 жыл бұрын
Until he drops it "hmm, this mining GPU doesn't seem to work, how strange sorry about that, here's your card back"
@boiiifuaintcare8629 3 жыл бұрын
Crypto market is gonna take long till another crash especially some assets are gonna pump up in a few weeks and they aint coming down
@Rise7 3 жыл бұрын
Crypto is unlikely to crash meaningfully anytime soon in a way that would make everyone sell their hardware, and if anything, a crash encourages just as many to mine more as difficulty may drop + being in it for the long term, but ethereum switching to proof of stake is going to move a lot of GPUs around from miners who aren't interested in mining lesser coins.
@4n9el 3 жыл бұрын
"smart" misspells ltt
@hundredlives3910 3 жыл бұрын
@@boiiifuaintcare8629 lol tell them 🤣 laughing at all those who think it's gonna flop crypto has proven at this point if it falls it won't crash as hard as we have seen in the past. So while the future of mining isn't as clear the future of crypto doesn't seem too bleak
@JayMaverick 3 жыл бұрын
"Heavy usage of this chip will degrade the performance by 10% per year." Sounds like something a clueless marketer would say.
@Xiph1980 3 жыл бұрын
That marketing person there is definitely a former used car seller.
@lazry3208 3 жыл бұрын
That's how hard drives work
@chillhour6155 3 жыл бұрын
@@lazry3208 yeah but not gpus, pc gamers check frequencies constantly due to overclocking and extracting as much performance as possible, tldr : tht marketer is full of sht
@marceldiezasch6192 3 жыл бұрын
Is it even good false marketing? Hey, if you heavily use our product you will chip off 10% of performance/year. Doesn't sound very enticing.
@lukedk4614 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds of that time a sales guy said an i7 k sku would be 10x faster than the non-k sku.
@quickscope2341 Жыл бұрын
Bought my 3070 from a miner, 1 year used card undervolted, mining rigs kept in a 15c temp enviroment. The person even showed me his rigs and how he takes care of them. I also got the warranty papers and i couldn't be happier with the purchase. Conclusion: If you know that the person takes care of the cards, i'd rather buy used from a miner than a gamer.
@yurilopes420 Жыл бұрын
that's 100% what I heard everytime when I did proper research. there's a myth of "oh my God he's using the board 24 7" yeah and the board is undervolted and most times temp checked.. we're running gpus for 10h a day running at 100% and 80º 😂😂 which is most destructive? really like some people like to hear buzzwords and jump to conclusions instead of thinking
@hotpenguin607 Жыл бұрын
As a gamer, i can say that i didnt take good care of my rig cuz im not using it to make money So the miner's card is most likely in a better condition than mine...
@quickscope2341 Жыл бұрын
@@hotpenguin607 exactly, that's why people gotta do their own research before buying something. Knowing and minimizing the risks
@bbblop4545 Жыл бұрын
@@hotpenguin607 is your card being run full bore at 100% fan speed 24/7 in ways that slowly yet surely cooks the memory?
@hotpenguin607 Жыл бұрын
@@bbblop4545 well it doesnt run 100% 24/7 cuz I only play for maybe 2 - 3 hrs a day at max Just dont have that much energy to play after work But I never really clean it and sometimes it makes weird noises Im not sure how the memory gets cooked, am not familiar with how the hardware works :\
@Chanharp 2 жыл бұрын
I am not buying those because of what manufacturers say. I am not buying those because i am not going to reward miners for creating the GPU shortage and price hikes. I hope they get stuck with all the GPUs rotting under their asses.
@friendofp.24 2 жыл бұрын
No. Once crypto goes back up in value you'd be wishing you robbed every crypto miner of their GPUs when you had the chance.
@Steve48083 2 жыл бұрын
L
@KDR107 2 жыл бұрын
@@friendofp.24 crypto keeps falling right know so nah freak those crypto miners
@phucth91 2 жыл бұрын
@@KDR107 never say never. Crypto is not the only thing falling, almost an entire stock market has been down for a year, stocks hitting 52 week low left right and center, even the most formidable ones. But I'm pretty sure they'll come back up, the question is when, and that's probably when crypto trends will increase again. So yeah.
@KDR107 2 жыл бұрын
@@phucth91 i wish it would take 3 years for the crypto to be stable so i can get a decent card like rtx 3080 ti by the end of this year
@RidiPwn 3 жыл бұрын
Linus: sends miner back the wrong card Miner: it's ok, they perform the same
@gilbertplays 3 жыл бұрын
Unless it has the Linus treatment.
@tribopower 3 жыл бұрын
interesting enough, the same card, from the same manufacter, from the same place and date, may have some differences when it comes to mining, since they most likely will have different memory types
@jashankmadbhvi194 3 жыл бұрын
Then bursts in the face.
@metaleuman 3 жыл бұрын
Not if Linus dropped it.
@jackbootshamangaming4541 3 жыл бұрын
@@tribopower most cards used for mining are GDDR6X, so no, not really.
@kingofstrike1234 3 жыл бұрын
Palit : Don't buy used mining GPUS Also Palit : Increase the price to 200%
@mattr882 3 жыл бұрын
Also Palit: Damn you Linus!!!!
@1Kieve 3 жыл бұрын
And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
@miray4440 2 жыл бұрын
Solana SOL has no meaning when you make 30k monthly off tech host farm.
@milanprokop6879 2 жыл бұрын
Bought 1080ti and memory was damaged. Previous owner did cryptomine on that cardy so i assume it corrupted the memory of that card. It run benchmarks with no problem, but when you start a game, it crashed immediately. So if Linus didnt test in game, this test is irrelevant for me, only that gpu clock is same
@midnitesnac 2 жыл бұрын
That's why you don't trust people on social media or the internet. Linus is fun to watch, but he's the last person I trust when it comes to protecting your hardware. If anything this channel is one big advertisement for products placement.
@Raumplestomp 2 жыл бұрын
@@midnitesnac - #redpillgaming 🤣
@Yveldi 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a benchmark that tests VRAM corruption as well? I'm about to buy a secondhand GPU, I'll test it on a PC shop (whose owner is close to my family) so it'd be nice to have a benchmark app for that.
@Raumplestomp 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yveldi - that's incredible! I hope it goes well for you. I'm not very educated when it comes to tech. My experience is with building a computer and playing games. Luckily everything just worked for me. I basically followed a step by step computer build guide that a five-year-old could've understood.
@milanprokop6879 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yveldi best for me was this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7uHot1q29ysl4E.html
@Gronbar6 3 жыл бұрын
"If you can buy them for half of the price..." Miners selling GPU above MSRP lol
@Quantainiumify 3 жыл бұрын
from china you can get 3080s for $500 if you order 100 units.
@Gronbar6 3 жыл бұрын
@@Quantainiumify If you order in bulk i can buy one from you lol
@JosePineda-jn8jk 3 жыл бұрын
@@Quantainiumify I will hop in on that then. Let me know when then shipment comes in. 😁
@CockroachSlidy 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen fake 1060's with 650 chips in them. Be careful when buying from china.
@unownunown1530 3 жыл бұрын
@@CockroachSlidy bro you act like as if that was a china only thing
@phirewind 3 жыл бұрын
The most likely "degredation" is simply the lifespan of the fans themselves. If a fan motor is rated for 40,000 hours, that's about 4.5 years of 24/7 operation, so if you buy a used miner's card that's been going 24/7 for a year, those fans should be good for another 3 years of continuous 24/7 use.
@xureality 3 жыл бұрын
Should be noted that the motors are rated for normal usage cycles, ie more stop-start than 24/7. They can actually last longer by virtue of never stopping. But iirc this effect is only in the single digits percentage, so it probably gives you a week or two of fan time, hardly noticeable. And then if they wear out just ziptie some noctuas on and you're good.
@hippity1019 3 жыл бұрын
@@xureality Those ziptie'd Noctuas might even perform better than the original fans xd
@Pl4sm4Ro4ch 3 жыл бұрын
the good thing is that its easier to replace the gpu cooler than the gpu itself in these times lol
@SamLoki 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pl4sm4Ro4ch I'd say it was always easier..
@ReubenRevolution 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao do you know anything about power delivery, sin wave electiricity, proper cooling and shutdown. This comment section is AIDS
@f8keuser Жыл бұрын
Bottom line is like anything you buy online, if you take care of your stuff then it has a second use for someone else.
@SAFFY7411 Жыл бұрын
This stands absolutely true. I bought a used 1060 back in late 2017 and its still going strong today.
@mrpatton01 Жыл бұрын
just bougth a 6800xt for 500€ on ebay from a well known and rated seller. nearly 1 year spend mining . card looks mint, not a spec of dust. seemed like a no brainer to me
@Pepperjack57IsAwesome Жыл бұрын
Reply to this comment after it’s all set up and you run a benchmark, then compare that benchmark to the other results with your same GPU
@jeremiahsuryanto4342 Жыл бұрын
i'm not sure what brand of 6800 xt you got but I recently bought new PowerColor's Red dragon 6800 xt for below €500
@joeyhummelman5061 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahsuryanto4342 depends on location. Cheapest in my country is €650
@DibzZDobzZ 3 жыл бұрын
“When GPU prices crash” is sounding a whole lot like “when coronavirus ends”
@Buhm01 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, when GPU prices crash == when Crypto crashes, it will happen every couple of years, if you miss your shot then, you need to probably wait atleast another 3-4 years.
@dogaplays 3 жыл бұрын
Silly, at least the pandemic will end when all humans die. Don't think It will be same for GPUs.
@LogicalError007 3 жыл бұрын
You jinxed it.
@foxwhite25 3 жыл бұрын
It will happen, it's just modern tulip
@abelscryptogang3871 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, That's so true
@Anteritus 3 жыл бұрын
Linus: " skills wins the battle, not the money" Premium Shells: are you sure about that?
@brycentacos 3 жыл бұрын
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@AndreVanKammen 3 жыл бұрын
It's one of the reasons i stopped playing WOT
@TheRacerperson 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, never heard of firing skill rounds?
@ArtyomPlatonev 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, world of tanks is about as P2W as they come. The ever more overpowered premium tanks, as well as premium ammunition, it's just such bull.
@AndreVanKammen 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRacerperson I said it was one of the reasons, the other was the rest of the team started to suck, grinding for tanks toolk away way to much of my free time. I owned several T10 tanks. I stopped when they added the Japanese tanks, which is several years ago.
@MJPGD 2 жыл бұрын
Why would I be making 30k monthly on techhostfarms online mining service and still want to use these machines that create noises and needs heavy maintenance? I am glad I sold all my helium and bobcat miners when I started with tech host farms.
@skilletborne 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see gaming framerates. Clocks are a great indicator, but FPS would have been a lot more consumable data at least, and may have shown other degradation.
@TOPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
Not too sure if you watched the vid or not, but He did mention in the beginning of the video why he is only testing clock speed. Because if everything else is exactly same, chip with higher clockspeed will undoubtedly perform better and net higher fps. Your gpu will more likely die from cycles of heating and cooling vs constant temperature. Card sitting on shelf in India isn’t going to magically die. Playing intense games with low load loading screen is everyday worst case scenario of that and will kill your gpu faster vs constant heat introduced by constant mining load with 55~65% power limit. Probably the most critical thing about used mining cards as this video pointed out would be the life of the coolers because you can’t easily go out and buy replacement fan parts or water block for them esp if gen or two older. Bad cooler => higher temp => lower clock => lower fps
@abdelrahmanrad Жыл бұрын
@@TOPhoenix Which is completely flawed. He should have tested the hardware not the software.
@SMCwasTaken 10 ай бұрын
LTT is known to gatekeep information so people can research
@pootispiker2866 9 ай бұрын
@@abdelrahmanradThe software runs on the hardware you git
@vtubersilvionimbus7542 3 жыл бұрын
"Unless Palit is saying their cards die really quickly" Well, I've had a Palit GTS 250 and GTX 460 both go bad on me rather quickly, soooo...
@xythrr 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch, shot themselves in the foot
@TheCarnivorousCake 3 жыл бұрын
Palit used to be "Avoid on sight" until the 10th generation - thats when they stopped catching fires from nowhere and actually got some nice thoughtfull heatsinks and quality components.
@NukE30 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a working Palit GTS 250 to this day (on a shelf), so there's that...
@Extreme96PL 3 жыл бұрын
I am buying Palit GPU since 460 and i never had any issue.
@Darkroby91 3 жыл бұрын
Bought a second hand palit 980ti, lasted 10 months and fried with only occasionally gaming...
@Battleneter 3 жыл бұрын
Miners always undervolt, and mining cards seldom go through the somewhat stressful heat up and cool down cycles of gaming cards, so there is a counter argument to a decreased life span, outside wear on the fans.
@bearwastaken6579 3 жыл бұрын
gamers keep GPUs in a freaking oven miners let their cards breath fresh air AND undervolt them
@shansen008 3 жыл бұрын
The most youd probably have to do when buying a used mining card is pop off the HSF and replace the thermal paste and or clean/replace the fans.
@youkofoxy 3 жыл бұрын
Well, not all of them, the really smarts one do. On the cycles, yes thermal cycling is the worse. However thermal stress occurs anyway, is just that there's a sweet spot were degradation is minimum, any degree more or less will short life span. Thermal cycling just made it way worse.
@HydratedBeans 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah a used card from a miner is the best scenario for a used card. Fans might be the only thing one would need to fix
@jacobdaniels3246 3 жыл бұрын
There’s no way you can be sure of the environment a card you buy was in.
@Nacalal 2 жыл бұрын
Your biggest risk when buying a 2nd hand mining card is the fan burning out, running at higher clocks for longer means more heat which means boosted fan speeds to keep heat down and prolong card life.
@The_Eldest_Millenial 2 жыл бұрын
I undervolt all of my cards. It's not worth the extra 3 mh/s to run my fans over 60%,, LOL.
@chupeee 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think that anyone who is mining is using their gpus at full load, most of them are undervolting their cards and fans are barely spinning at 50% if not less
@pro_vector6001 2 жыл бұрын
I have a mined graphics card and i have been using it for almost a year, i think if you gonna buy a mined gpu buy a one with a good cooler mine was msi
@koleking2519 Жыл бұрын
It's like very cheap to buy replacement fans tho, and also not that hard to take apart your gpu and replace the stock ones, I have done it with 3 gpus off a 5 minute video and every one has worked better than before fans broke down.
@Rudy97 Жыл бұрын
The fan on my card died after 3 years of use. In my gaming PC. Maybe 1000 hours of actual game time.
@PackardKotch 2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that crypto mining despite using the gpu 100% 24/7 doesn’t usually start and stop the load like normal games, so the card doesn’t change temperatures too much. Less temperature change means less thermal expansion cycling and I believe this is why mining cards probably don’t degrade as much as people would think.
@fujitsubo3323 Жыл бұрын
its the same reason old taxi's and stuff can reach 500,000 miles without any major issues becuase the motors are hardly ever stoppped and started they just run all day long arond a city
@Cheezy_Bunz Жыл бұрын
@@fujitsubo3323 Thats a good analogy I like that.
@quanghuyvu2649 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you are exactly correct Constant temperature changes are what caused the tear in GPU Linus explained it in his sequel mining GPU
@buggerlugz6753 3 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: If manufacturers don't want folks to buy mining GPU's second hand then how about manufacturing some?
@rufushomanen5735 3 жыл бұрын
yeah lol! just make some! its easy
@josephgoebbels1605 3 жыл бұрын
There is no point in fully meeting the demand when you can make just enough to sell at stupidly high margins.
@Fenriswaffle 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephgoebbels1605 Yes but they could make far more by just meeting demand instead even with the extra effort that entails. The issue is that they literally can't until silicon IC manufacturers are able to gear up more production plants to meet the unexpected level of demand.
@Wogix26 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fenriswaffle honestly they probably have enough dinero to make their own plant.
@Fenriswaffle 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wogix26 Why would they build their own when they already have existing agreements with TSMC which is already building additional plants. They'd just end up spending 10x the money and time building one of their own.
@zodwraith5745 3 жыл бұрын
Palit: Huge seller of pallets of GPUs to miners. Palit: "Don't buy miner GPUs!1!"
@vaynelevant 3 жыл бұрын
miners are the reason why there are gpu shortage and why pricing is what is they are right now. just don't buy anything from them. let them soak in the cost as the result of their selfishness.
@coolmemesbudd 3 жыл бұрын
@@vaynelevant Demand in general, clearly more people also means more miners, its an everyone thing
@vaynelevant 3 жыл бұрын
@@coolmemesbudd nope. miners bought them by the droves, so it's them. it was also the same a few years back during the gtx 10 series.
@nighteule 3 жыл бұрын
@@vaynelevant Have you not noticed that there's, I don't know, a pandemic going on that's causing a semiconductor shortage? If the problem was miners, why are all computer parts having a price increase or, for that matter, why are _vehicles_ having a price increase? Demand is high for these products, but supply is crippled. Nvidia and AMD know after 2018 how much demand mining creates, so they adjust their foundry booking accordingly. The problem is foundries downsized during the pandemic, and are having trouble scaling back up. Moreover, miners wouldn't buy cards at high prices. They have to make money after all. Would _you_ buy a card for $1000 that would normally be $500 if you were trying to make money with it?
@ohlala9546 3 жыл бұрын
@@coolmemesbudd There is a reason that i can buy a 3080 at a retailer now (even though for inflated prices), but couldn't 4 months ago. That reason is, that Ethereum, the best cryptocurrency to mine atm, will be switching to proof-of-stake soon. High investments in new GPUs will not pay off for smaller businesses anymore. The biggest reason for inflated prices definitively are miners, with people buying from scalpers on the second place.
@psychickumquat Жыл бұрын
I imagine it ultimately comes down to whether the miner knows what they are doing or not. Unfortunately after the crypto craze, I have a sinking feeling that a huge chunk of miners were cryptobros who cranked the cards up to 120% voltage and didn't even think about cooling.
@gzonus6529 Жыл бұрын
true
@giraldiego 2 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect time to rewatch this video
@abhinavsingh7919 2 жыл бұрын
Hehehehe
@sammiches6859 3 жыл бұрын
If Palit is testing and claiming this with their cards, I will assume it's a problem with no other brand and will avoid theirs altogether. Good information Palit.
@iamatlantis1 3 жыл бұрын
Palit are ass lickers, plain and simple. They do it voluntarily regardless of cleanliness, and they like it. It's unfortunate at best.
@alexcorbett139 3 жыл бұрын
Don't buy these perfectly good used cards, buy our new cards instead - Palit
@bobbrown8661 3 жыл бұрын
They could just be referring to cards that have their thermals degrated due to heat which results in the card throttling sooner. Usually repasting and re-padding them will restore performance. DIY Miner/Gamers dont do this often but professional miners take care of their assets.
@hippiemuslim 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh, they had the cheapest cards on the market and I had to buy them.
@renzgargallano4996 3 жыл бұрын
Ok.... Palit statement backfired...
@DJ.1001 3 жыл бұрын
Since when has consistently running solid state electronics at well below their rated maximum temperature and power limits caused any kind of measurable degradation in a short time period of a few years? The worst that happens to a properly configured mining card is the wear and eventual failure of the fans. If a properly configured card dies while mining than it would have died doing any other task.
@winspaarkiebarkiebarker 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t. Ultimately it’s a gap between hardware engineers and gamers. Someone who turns on their pc every day to absolutely slam it just to turn it right off and rinse and repeat for years and years, especially as they run newer more demanding titles, is going to experience some form of performance degradation. Usually it can be chalked up to the degrading thermal performance (dust, old thermal paste etc), but power delivery systems also aren’t going to be as reliable with that sort of load cycle. To a gamer who has likely experienced degradation in their own card, it seems the most logical that a card running 24/7 in a dusty warehouse would be much worse off
@AdrianOkay 3 жыл бұрын
the problem is buying the card from the casual miner that just pushes it to the max because the electricity is free from daddy
@captainheat2314 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdrianOkay pushing them to the max is just stupid and most miners run them underclocked to make them more efficient
@DJ.1001 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdrianOkay I hear people make that excuse but I don't see it. Even with free electricity. Pretty much every card I've ever tuned resulted in a higher hash rate and lower power consumption than stock settings. I think people that pulg in a card, fire up nicehash and let it run till it dies are such a small percentage of the total population its not even worth considering
@graealex 3 жыл бұрын
It's a non issue. There will always be cards that show failures after a few years of usage, although that's mostly with capacitors or thermal cycling of the PCB and subsequent breakage of traces and solder. Regarding IC fabrication, engineers have for a while now found ways to effectively combat electromigration - it's not the 80s anymore. Although fan damage is an actual problem - we had a number of Zotac cards simply drop the whole fan hub after only two or three years usage in a workstation.
@patrik3482 Жыл бұрын
To me it's not about the new or old, i just don't want to give money to scalpers or any exminers.
@phenomenologicalparadox5216 Жыл бұрын
If they aren't scalping price why not buy from miners? I don't see an issue with mining as long as you don't charge too much to buy.
@patrik3482 Жыл бұрын
@@phenomenologicalparadox5216 Why? Because how they behaved and and laughed at people when the cards were expensive like never before and crypto didn't crash yet. I know that some of you have absolutely none dignity or pride in yourself, but i am simply not going to give them money, making them even more profits.
@fuzzydunlop7154 Жыл бұрын
This was fascinating. With the 4000 series so overpriced, I've been looking at used 3090s for a decent upgrade. There are 3090s going for almost half the price of a 4080s. So kinda feels like a no-brainer.
@docn1ght Жыл бұрын
you can find non-mining used ones for like 1K even on surface level stores. Very much so the better idea.
@docn1ght Жыл бұрын
@@frumentarii7383 all the hate for the 4000 series cards is because of the whole "way overpriced for the performance gain" and "way too much money for an 80 class and 70 class card". The prices, while they are different in different markets, are still not good no matter how you look at them. a 3090 for 2000 dollars vs a 4080 for 1200 is not because of the actual price of them, but instead the fact that the old cards havent been adjusted properly, as the 3090 should be priced accordingly to that.
@DeathFanatic Жыл бұрын
@@docn1ght 4090 is 30-50% faster than 3090. 4080 is also faster than 3090. 4070ti matches the 3090. 4070 matches the 3080 ti. Stop regurgitating that bullshit. These cards perform appropriately and are incredibly efficient. Just say you can’t afford it. PC gaming doesn’t need brokies holding up graphical fidelity.
@docn1ght Жыл бұрын
@@DeathFanatic amd gpus:
@FeroxX_Gosu Жыл бұрын
@Frumentarii truth
@billymsh 3 жыл бұрын
"world of tanks matches are won with skill not with money" oh linus you poor sod, if you only knew.
@arthurmorgan2861 3 жыл бұрын
da comrade, Russians win battles
@ABCD-rn6tk 3 жыл бұрын
Laugh in smasher
@TyphoonWarface 3 жыл бұрын
@@ABCD-rn6tk you have the smasher? ._.
@ABCD-rn6tk 3 жыл бұрын
@@TyphoonWarface i don't actually lol
@CanIHasThisName 3 жыл бұрын
WOT is and for a very long time has been pay to progress, not pay to win. Dosn't matter how much money you throw at the game, if you suck you'll still suck.
@Yamesy 3 жыл бұрын
Bought a GPU that was used for mining. It has never given me problems and gives me more than enough fps in any game I play.
@Endranii 3 жыл бұрын
Same, got 480 that mined for nearly 2 years in 2018. It performed more than fine for another 2 years in my own PC, if anything it performed above the specs considering how responsive it was to undervolting and maintained above 1350mhz clock at just 95W peak power usage in games. Obviously also mined on it while not using the PC. Sold it in 2020 and never heard back from the buyer apart from thanks after he confirmed that GPU is working just fine and dandy. Later in 2020 got a deal on used 1080 that also was used for mining with only caveat being that it had replaced fans and was gp-104-400. Works just fine and dandy for the past year, boosting no problem to 1850 and higher with UV and 55% power target in games. It's also mining away at 34mh's when I don't have time to do stuff on PC or when doing office work. So far no problems.
@Shadow__133 3 жыл бұрын
Always bought used gpus and never cared how they were used for as long as they worked without issues. Only had problems with brand new ones in the past. Either a gpu works and then will continue to work for many years or it's crap and will die within months is my experience, regardless of how it's used.
@marceldiezasch6192 3 жыл бұрын
I still have my first 480s I've bought for mining almost 5 years ago. I started off with 12 cards, one died 6 months ago. A dying mosfet decided to take a couple PCB layers with it, so it wasn't even the silicon itself that shit the bed. I feel like 1/12 in 5 years of 24/7 operation is a good quota. All the other cards run just as well as they did 5 years ago and still reach the same clocks at the same voltages, so no apparent degradation whatsoever. I recommend re-pasting and re-padding after a couple of years, though. They were completely dried out when I finally did it last year.
@alianggamerz 3 жыл бұрын
also its alrd OC with lower watt setting
@peterwilkinson1975 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a mining 1080ti from the last crypto crash running like a champ ever since no issues.
@amywilliams5233 2 жыл бұрын
honestly at this point, I dont care if old mining cards preform just as well as a new card straight out of the box, Im not buying a used mining card. Miners and scalpers have screwed the graphics card market for over two years now to where I havent been able to upgrade from my old 970. Im not buying something these guys are selling second hand. Period.
@joel3399 2 жыл бұрын
I am if they give me a compensation for the 2 year wait, that is a heavy discount
@cc3 2 жыл бұрын
@@phonkykong I'm in the same boat with a 960. I was gonna upgrade the card to a 1080Ti but at this point I'm just going to go for a whole new setup
@WingMaster562 2 жыл бұрын
I think miners and scalpers, while exacerbate the problem, are not necessarily the sole responsible for screwing the market. Theyre just the second in line. Global shortage of silicon, manufacturers not able to make supply, high demand, rapid technological growth are the main ones. Im saying this as a reminder to others and to myself mostly, its easy to forget
@cc3 2 жыл бұрын
@@WingMaster562 yeah it's usually multiple unexpected problems when a business fails that hard to meet supply. They probably had plans for the crypto bubble because it wasn't completely unprecedented
@kishascape Жыл бұрын
They run hot and at high heat so it’s not a performance issue but longevity. Heat kills components faster so the card is way more likely to fail sooner, especially since the last wave of miners are outdated fad idiots who somehow convinced themselves inefficient GPU mining gets more bitcoins than SHA256 ASIC rigs.
@Whitehalo117 Жыл бұрын
1. Mining GPUs are typically undervolted 2. They are on 24/7 for the most part and don't typically thermal cycle. As long as they're cared for and aren't dusty as heck and moderately taken care of it's fine.
@SeminarChauffeur Жыл бұрын
But how about their capacitors, and any other component that does not like being soaked in heat for extended periods?
@rupabhandarkar4892 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist : Linus is just helping his Miner friend sell his old cards 😏
@tanmaypanadi1414 3 жыл бұрын
just watch tech yes city he buys from miners in bulk to sell in his second hand pc building business.
@mayankpant1596 3 жыл бұрын
This video is sponsored by "my acquaintance".
@bobbrown8661 3 жыл бұрын
Linus has friends? 🙃
@inappropriateuser5581 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbrown8661 yes horrible alex
@baziwan9407 3 жыл бұрын
Community buying from each other? Companies with investors:"We can't have this!"
@ApexLodestar 3 жыл бұрын
If the seller actively keeps his PC clean and it's well ventilated while mining, it's literally like buying a used GPU that was only for gaming. In simpler terms, what generally kills PC components (other than heat) is poor cleaning and poor cooling.
@alexcorbett139 3 жыл бұрын
Miners typically monitor thier hardware WAY more closely than gamers do. Their cards are their business, not their toys.
@iforgotmyusername0 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexcorbett139 exactly
@Jito463 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm not a manufacturer, just a guy working in computer repair, and I always advise people to be wary of buying used graphics cards, especially ones used for mining. Case in point: we had a customer come in with an RTX 2060 that he bought online, but it would crash or not even display output. After some testing, we finally disassembled it and found out why. Some of the VRM's and capacitors had been completely snipped off, probably to limit the power draw. Now he's out whatever he spent on the card, because it's highly unlikely he's getting his money back. Buyer beware.
@ezio5211 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Thats why i would not buy used gpu’s because you dont know what they did with it
@noel.sk03 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thats weird. my RIG with 8 rtx 20 series cards are already second hand bought and they boost at the same speed as a new one...
@xerxes876 2 жыл бұрын
Intentionally removing the vrm makes literally no sense
@Jito463 2 жыл бұрын
@@xerxes876 I can't think of any other reason they would do it, except for mining (and that's merely speculation on my part). All I know is that they were obviously clipped off the board. They didn't even bother to unsolder the points sticking up out.
@fabiofoltran4361 2 жыл бұрын
@@noel.sk03 shouldn't even work with missing vrms lmao ..Sounds sus to me
@SirDamned 2 жыл бұрын
My 1070 ti was mined for a while. literally the only wear it has is actually on the fans, mechanical wear. they rattle and I had to service them.
@peiyou4012 2 жыл бұрын
Because you didnt exploited it exhaustively in the extreme condition like those professional big miner
@RobertBIrish 3 жыл бұрын
"Sitting on a shelf not being used" I mutter to myself while sobbing cards I would sell my soul for cause I can't afford to pay double or more MSRP. This card issue has to stop soon
@LuluTheCorgi 3 жыл бұрын
If soon means 2023 or 2024 then yes, it will be over soon If you are fine with amd you can get a card for MSRP if you try enough, I got a xt 5900 and a xt 5700 Both for MSRP directly from the amd warehouse
@thebosssisbalin5305 3 жыл бұрын
Like it 69 times
@Crazyere 3 жыл бұрын
@@LuluTheCorgi same im just about to buy a 6600 xt for msrp
@Psychoticgamer94 3 жыл бұрын
Sell your whole rig online. Go MAINGEAR and buy a new PC. That's what I did. Sold a PC with a 1070TI and a R7 1700x for $2k then bought a MAINGEAR PC with 3080 and a 5900x for $2,300.
@AoKGuy47 3 жыл бұрын
@@Crazyere I also bought a 6600 xt but for $50 more than MSRP
@mang0dyam716 2 жыл бұрын
PLOT TWIST: The miner gave him a NEW GPU so that people would think it's ok to buy used GPU
@daviddemaree2988 2 жыл бұрын
plot twist twist: Linus is the filthy crypto miner.
@Aussie_aNti_h3r0 2 жыл бұрын
I've bought ex mining cards and used gamers cards and tbh the ex mining cards have been better. Most miners underclock and undervolt most gamer's are flogging the shit out of their card for that sweet sweet fps.
@MaxC_1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aussie_aNti_h3r0 this is absolutely true assuming you got it from an actual miner not a novice who doesn't know about underclocking and undervolting. You're almost always likely to get a better card from a miner running the GPU undervolted and underclocked compared to a gamer who was pushing the voltages and clockspeeds super high on their cards while running it inside a PC with absolutely horrible airflow
@Ricardogs 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aussie_aNti_h3r0 there are many amateurs miners doing the opposite, overcloking the VRAM at default power limit
@justlixian293 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxC_1 overclocking doesnt hurt any gpu or cpu unless its overheat
@gameplanet2087 2 жыл бұрын
Mining puts the main pressure on the RAMs while the fan rotation speed and card temperature are based on the GPU temperature. Because the GPU does not work much, it causes the temperature to be low and the fans to operate at low speeds, while the RAMs receive very high temperatures due to heavy mathematical activity and calculations. They become very vulnerable and their useful life is greatly reduced and they become like coal
@dhrida5518 Жыл бұрын
I have a mechatronics degree and I totally agree with this glad that you pointed out the condition of the fins it is definitely is something to look out for when buying a used gpu wether if it was or wasn't mined on mining affects the card as much as gaming on it also if it was overclocked that's also bad but overall the conditions of the fins usually tell the story because when the metal fins get heated above what it was designed for usually it gets corroded
@randomblock1_ 3 жыл бұрын
Buying a GPU from a miner is basically like buying a Xeon from a data center: literally just a good deal
@Jackpkmn 3 жыл бұрын
People forget that miners and data centers have a quite extreme vested interest in their hardware being long lasting and not breaking. Thus is well taken care of. Much unlike a consumer who has a vested interest in wringing every penny out of their hardware and driving it into the ground.
@WayStedYou 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jackpkmn and keeping it undervolted to make it profitable
@lancer3660 3 жыл бұрын
Not really, these card's memory has been overclocked past normal limits with custom bioses, these cards vram are ticking time bombs
@Connor-xj9qv 3 жыл бұрын
@@lancer3660 no...
@randomblock1_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@lancer3660 overclocking itself isn't actually harmful, it's high temperatures that are. Undervolting and underclocking the core significantly cools the card down and probably makes it actually better than a gamer's card.
@nickeckert766 3 жыл бұрын
I guess your concern with buying used mining GPUs should be the reduced life of the card rather than the performance being considerably less. Interesting video!
@junk3386 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with "reduced life" is that this aspect cannot be *measured* and quantified -- unfortunately...
@rhyleehills6391 2 жыл бұрын
@@junk3386 yup! a gpu can break of its been used for gaming, moderately for 3 years, or it can break after 6 years of 24/7 mining. its immeasurable xD
@mirazu156 2 жыл бұрын
I've bought one before for a cheap price and it lasted for a year. I got it for about $60 for my other pc.
@onemadhungrynomad 2 жыл бұрын
there is an issue with the methodology used here. it uses essentially just ONE sample. and only from some friend of linus who probably takes care of and cools the gpu's. a guy who drove me in his taxi the other day told me he just runs a stack of gpus with hardly any cooling in a big case. i doubt that dude's cards are in as good shape after. not everyone knows what they are doing in the mining space and a lot of people are doing dumb and destructive things.
@danieldossantos6092 2 жыл бұрын
I have bought a used GTX 670 and it lasted 4-5 years and now is stuck in idle clock speeds... Yes these GPUs have a life cycle but you don't know until it's actually broken
@annaczgli2983 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never buy from miners, cuz I don't want to give them my money. Screw those guys.
@Lordementor96 2 жыл бұрын
based
@qopiqq3629 2 жыл бұрын
Legend
@SirPano85 2 жыл бұрын
So you like more to buy a graphic card from a person that bought it at the suggested price and sell it to you at double price. Choises...
@Tome4kkkk 2 жыл бұрын
How the fuck would you know if miner doesn't *choose* to reveal it to you that he is in fact a miner?
@qopiqq3629 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tome4kkkk Simply not buy second hand for a while, same thing that some ps5 users do, only buy from well known retailers.
@willharwell1055 2 жыл бұрын
9:47 "The flood of used GPUs that is undoubtedly coming" It's not coming. No one is going to sell their 3000 series
@thiskneegrow 2 жыл бұрын
They will when the next gen of gpu come
@mahpell7173 2 жыл бұрын
@@thiskneegrow They won't. They'll just buy more GPU to increase their income.
@stnhls 2 жыл бұрын
Ethereum mining will stop when eth2.0 releases, and when the crypto bear market comes. Of course a miner with 10+ cards will sell them if they are not profitable anymore.
@LowerYourExpectationsPleb 2 жыл бұрын
@@stnhls crypto bear market? Please go and tell this to the major financial organizations buy crypto like crazy
@BlueFlameFK Жыл бұрын
aged like milk
@TrueKingofOoo 3 жыл бұрын
Been using a 1080ti that was used for 24/7 mining for a year. I have had the card installed and in use since 2018 with zero issues.
@TheMisterQuake 3 жыл бұрын
Buying mined cards is fine, I’ve been using a mined on 2080 for about a year and a half now and it hasn’t given me any problems. If in doubt though it’s always good to clean out a used card no matter who you’re buying from.
@str1kerxx 3 жыл бұрын
Since a worked for years as an integrator i can tell you, you get more DOA stuff than any issues with used parts. And the nice plot here, gaming GPUs are way more done than any mining gpu i´ve seen so far. We calculated the "electrical migration" and a gaming GPU with an average usage of 8h per day equals a 24/7 Mining Card. Cant understand the ppl, which spend over 1K for a freaking RX6800 when you could get a used 6900XT for 50-100€ less.. "but the warranty".. yeah, fuck your warranty, which takes so long that you need to buy a new part anyway if you dont want to wait a decade (Asus for example). I always took the "risk" and got rewarded so many times.. 7820X with 4GHz allcore static at 0.98V.. 6600K 4960MHz at 1.33V.. GTX1070 with 2105/2500MHz ingame stable, twice a R9 290 with 1250MHz (back then they had a "lock" at 1098-1100MHz).. for me there is no reason to buy new parts besides from psu´s and ssd´s.
@CaptainJackedPickle 3 жыл бұрын
@MisterQuake That's great that things worked out for you, but many miners don't take care of their GPUs. They can easily clean them before selling them. If your not getting a huge discount it's not worth the risk to buy a used GPU.
@darrenfalconer3267 3 жыл бұрын
I guess the main issue is you have no idea if the miner has looked after them or thrashed them. It's less likely with just a regular gaming user
@irfannasim9092 3 жыл бұрын
How much did it cost
@TheMisterQuake 3 жыл бұрын
@@irfannasim9092 I got mine for 500 pre COVID, it was the Zotac AMP model. I’ve also overclocked it.
@ChantingInTheDark Жыл бұрын
I still would never buy a used mining card.
@richardoshea7133 2 жыл бұрын
The main reason to never buy an ex mining card would be to ensure that they profit no further from the difficulties they have caused gamers.
@ricksanchez6344 2 жыл бұрын
yess fuck those miners
@richardoshea7133 2 жыл бұрын
Another would be that if you all start buying up second-hand cards you will send a signal as a market that you're content with being second-hand consumers.
@tomcat6186 2 жыл бұрын
WTF, mining = gaming, same shit, either activity is not developmental
@astarothmarduk3720 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomcat6186 You can work for money and game in your free time. Because resource and energy are limited, and we do not have a surplus of renewable energy still, mining is a form of speculation which is against common welfare. A Chinese study says that China cannot reach their climate protection goals if cryptomining is to continue.
@gorrevisor 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if they are selling them for 10-20% of the original (not inflated) price, through ebay where I can get refunded if it doesn't work, then sure, I will take a 2080 for $50.
@drfaceless8660 3 жыл бұрын
This is how I managed to get all my friends affordable graphics card upgrades during these troubling times and all of them were happy with their purchases.
@ahmedabdelsamei8226 3 жыл бұрын
How did you buy them plz can u tell me i dont have dat much money and i need a gpu
@lynxzen7435 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedabdelsamei8226 probably ebay
@jackiswack1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedabdelsamei8226 ebay
@TheCyborgCast 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedabdelsamei8226 eBay...
@ahmedabdelsamei8226 3 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks guys
@brady2real 3 жыл бұрын
Better than the original floatplane title of "Mining Cards are Slower"
@kodredcud 3 жыл бұрын
Came to say this.
@ananthkutuva3748 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew that people actually used floatplane
@hammerheadcorvette4 3 жыл бұрын
People actually use Floatplane ?!
@nayuki2020 3 жыл бұрын
@@ananthkutuva3748 this is the first time I ever heard about it..
@f-ckmyr0fil788 3 жыл бұрын
the house, and thought🧗♀️🤹♀️🤹♂️🤺🤾♀️🤾♂️🤽♀️
@crystalville6444 2 жыл бұрын
I can't remember when last I used physical machines for mining. I will stick with tech host farms' cloud mining services they are the best.
@urmom-_ 2 жыл бұрын
teach me the ways
@danbucklet 2 жыл бұрын
I just won't buy from a Bitcoin miner out of principle. They caused the GPU shortage, leaving gamers stranded without a supply of graphics cards both new and old for several years. I'd feel disgusted to give my money to someone who caused that on top of the pandemic and lockdowns that nobody wanted to have to deal with in the first place. I put my morals before saving a couple of bucks
@fantom5894 Жыл бұрын
@Iron Tusk 12 yo PC can't read an SSD? Weird. I've got a 10 year old sandy bridge rig that I put an SSD in, cloned it as boot disc and it runs fine
@mini-_ 3 жыл бұрын
Just remember to ask the seller if it was used for cryptomining, or for other types of mining as a pickaxe
@mini-_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@DemeDemetre I am everywhere and nowhere
@stephenkennedy9687 3 жыл бұрын
dont buy any gpus from dwarfs
@lordrefrigeratorintercoole288 3 жыл бұрын
GPU = Great Pickaxe Usability
@sugarbooty 3 жыл бұрын
A man of culture
@asdf30111 3 жыл бұрын
For a second I though there was a mining software called pickaxe that was really bad for gpu health.
@huleyn135 3 жыл бұрын
3080's can only change speed by 15 mhz increments, so that 15 mhz difference is entirely just randomness.
@FFE-js2zp 2 жыл бұрын
Miners must repad or shim for a 40 degree temp decrease, so a mining GPU will be 10% to 50% faster than one burned up by a gamer.
@plsdontbanmeagainyoulibtards 2 жыл бұрын
firstly, no. not even close to 50%. secondly, most miners were computer dumbasses who never touched a gpu before seeing on Twitter that they could make money mining with them.
@FFE-js2zp 2 жыл бұрын
@@plsdontbanmeagainyoulibtards Is that why 30% of the worlds electricity goes to crypto mining? Including 99.999% of all GPUs sold.
@Hughesburner Жыл бұрын
Gamers in 2020: I hate miners, I can't buy a card Gamers in 2022 post ETH merge: Did you mine on this card, if so I don't want it....Oh wait, it's half price now and Nvidia wants over 1K for a 40 series....I will take 2.
@bruhtholemew Жыл бұрын
Integrity is dead
@Hughesburner Жыл бұрын
@@bruhtholemew It's never been alive with companies as they reach at certain height. People should be unhappy with Nvidia not the miners. Scalpers maybe but they will always be there. People are still trying to scalp PS5's in my area, there will always be something that people are wanting to take advantage of.
@azsaid9003 3 жыл бұрын
1060 mining for 4 years. Zotac: its okay, we got 1 year warranty covered left.
@Tylup111 3 жыл бұрын
Zotac's warranty period is a mere 6 months these days, following in the footsteps of most other GPU AIBs.
@jadenblackerby3325 3 жыл бұрын
@foopyu nooui Miners are an issue, along with scalpers, and desperate gamers. The manufacturers can't keep up with the supply and demand. Though miners and scalpers at least take 65% of the cards.
@breh4273 3 жыл бұрын
@@jadenblackerby3325 msi was selling cards on ebey lmfao
@pedromeneses9617 3 жыл бұрын
@@jadenblackerby3325 Consumers are not the only ones responsible for the shortage, this is also a supply issue
@xxjackshowxx439 3 жыл бұрын
@@breh4273 Which is exactly why MSI will never see a dime from me for ANY component.
@MarwanMahdy 3 жыл бұрын
I've been buying used mining GPUs and use them for gaming for years, I've built many of my friends' rigs using said GPUs. NEVER had an issue.
@giovannipomarico2035 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky you! Bought two, had issues with both, one DOA, one dead within months.
@ponyslavestation4669 3 жыл бұрын
@@giovannipomarico2035 Idk if its luck as much as knowing what to look for when buying used suff.
@MarwanMahdy 3 жыл бұрын
@@giovannipomarico2035 wow. that is sad bro
@MarwanMahdy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ponyslavestation4669 I agree, I always test the stuff before I buy it. Look at the screws, check the fan speeds, noise level, some benchmark, etc.
@giovannipomarico2035 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarwanMahdy At least I got a refund for the DOA one, better than nothing ^^
@DigBipper188 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Gigabyte RX-580 8GD-MI that I got from a miner for cheap. I still have the GPU in my system and use it as an encode / decode and light gaming GPU. It has given me absolutely zero problems, and comparing to the launch reviews for the card it actually has a couple percent *more* performance than it would have brand new back in 2018 thanks to driver tweaks over time. well... that and the fact it's taken a 1410MHz overclock and a memory timing tweak which has added a little more :)
@uffjjrrhhff9003 2 жыл бұрын
The bullish thing someone can do right now is to be on the right track with the best company right now, tech host farm, an online mining company. They are far better than all this.
@minddrone7171 3 жыл бұрын
I'd actually prefer to buy a gpu from a crypto miner, as they usually have the common sense to undervolt their cards.
@MuhammadHanif-bx4pb 3 жыл бұрын
true, no thermal cycling, undervolt, less power draw, great temp management. it's like purchasing xeon cpu from data center.
@hsharma3933 3 жыл бұрын
Smart man. We generally know our way around a gpu more than most gamers. Most of us have had to mod the thermal pads so you get a free upgrade.
@xthelord1668 3 жыл бұрын
@@hsharma3933 yeah but most of you also modify VBIOS files for compute rather for 3D work so pepole need to learn to flash or hope they don't buy for careless person who probably made them have hassle which happend to me when i bought rx560 in 2017 from a guy who was mining,dude didn't flash it back to stock and it kept crashing because of his BS undervolt and power play tables being all sorts of fucked up to the point where i hoped gpu was gonna work sadly it crashes at stock clocks because phat fuck managed to kill its lifespan cause "undervolting" so i would be doing a dilligence and reflashed to stock bios when selling otherwise i would be scared of unexpectedd visit from a person who got a gpu from you to tell you it crashes even if it passed expirience tests while not telling that you miners know more than gamers when esports games communities and XOC communities know far more than miners
@darkthunder301 3 жыл бұрын
Under volt but still within an expected operating range, correct?
@qwertyui5086 3 жыл бұрын
@@MuhammadHanif-bx4pb not all miners treat their cards with respect, some of them pack gpus like sardines and crank mem clock to the max for max hashrate, mem are running at >100deg 24/7 (3080&3090), which will definitely cause permanent damage to those vram.
@SecurityDivision 3 жыл бұрын
Well, miners tend to keep the cards maintained as loss of performance means direct loss of profit.
@kidsythe 3 жыл бұрын
Yes sir, I keep my cards at 48c.
@bruhtholemew Жыл бұрын
Idk, I think you're a sucker if you buy these GPU's right now. We're currently in the crash, but nobody expected the next gen gpu market to also hit and not in the way it did either. AMD's -$600 flagship blow to Nvidia just rekindled a war. If Nvidia responds with a midrange $500-600 line, that's better RT performance and DLSS 3.0. These miners are gonna have to sell their 3080's for like $300. So you can imagine what the rest of the lesser cards will be.
@wedneymoyses Жыл бұрын
I've been running a used GTX970 for over 5 years now, basically it has around 7 years of active use. Previous owner said it wasn't used for mining or anything and when I first got it, she looked brand new and sparkling clean. It was an amazing deal, paid around 180 USD at the time when most of the other 970s that I saw on the market was over 210 bucks.
@Tential1 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had these videos when I was having an argument with a "computer scientist" who insisted the gpu degraded crazily without any evidence. I just couldn't find this because I usually search for articles vs KZfaqrs. Linus has covered this multiple times now and people still buy the FUD.
@UmamiPapi 3 жыл бұрын
More GPUs for us when the market crashes. Those nerds will be too scared the card mined previously to buy it.
@hellomark1 3 жыл бұрын
Was kinda hoping he'd mention most miners tend to run them with lower power (though boosted memory) because they work faster for that particular task, and they last longer if you're not cooking them.
@taiefmiah 3 жыл бұрын
@@hellomark1 he can't verify that
@hundredlives3910 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, just wanted to let you know they do degrade even if they are kept in tip top condition but the thing is its not by much and would only be noticeable if you had a long standing heavy oc making it a non issue for anyone but competitive overclockers
@Anankin12 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, as Linus said, it depends on how well maintained the card was.
@97tektonik 2 жыл бұрын
linus '' that is unless palit is admiting their gpu's die really quickly'' me : *stares at my palit 2070 S with pure fear*
@skyfeelan 2 жыл бұрын
I thought palit is his friend lol
@dukeradwardthe5th843 2 жыл бұрын
*me : laughs nervously in 1660 S*
@JonatasAdoM 2 жыл бұрын
I'd rather not risk it.
@hattiwattti6951 2 жыл бұрын
my palit gtx 750ti died rip -.- "
@mommyanddaddywerealiengods 2 жыл бұрын
my palit 560ti died a long ago, their soldering material/technique is fucking trash
@Jayztunning Жыл бұрын
Here we are , at the time the gpu prices did crash.
@ldntbutiiwii 2 жыл бұрын
Under optimal conditions the mining card could actually outperform a new stock card, as miners often shunt mod and replace the stock thermal pads on their cards.
@512TheWolf512 3 жыл бұрын
considering Palit's infamous card quality, i believe that their cards do indeed go bad THAT fast
@haroldz123 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I still used gtx 1070 superjet stream (bought in 2017) albeit low usage. Hopefully it can last until gpu shortage is fixed
@buinevitch452 3 жыл бұрын
Oh you are from early 2010? What is it like to live in a cave? World and things has changed a lot.
@dominikbeitat4450 3 жыл бұрын
As a proud owner of a 2080 from Palit: Card still runs smooth, unlike one of its fans. Nothing some percussive maintenance couldn't fix, but a few months ago (when GPU prices where peaking) it gave me a real good scare for a good hour.
@Driskoll97 3 жыл бұрын
Saw a review on a Palit GTX 1650, doesn't go up from 50° C. Even with their 'cheap' cooling system
@theskywalker8416 3 жыл бұрын
this guy still living in 2010 LMAO
@kelly0101 3 жыл бұрын
"Don't let me scare you off world of tanks" No, Wargaming already does that
@NiksGaming101 3 жыл бұрын
I found the little p2w sponsor bit funny considering wargaming. Broken tier 8 prems is ow they make their money
@mateuspereira1360 3 жыл бұрын
"skill wins the battle, not money" LOL in these days WoT have been so pay to win
@certified_baller 3 жыл бұрын
Oof
@verifeli 3 жыл бұрын
World of Warships is coming.
@ac4694 3 жыл бұрын
@@NiksGaming101 I am more hurt about 'historical accuracy'
@metcaelfe 2 жыл бұрын
POV: prices have crashed, this video did age well
@simplenaire5079 2 жыл бұрын
9:30 , the ghosts are real
@FinlayDaG33k 3 жыл бұрын
>"Heavy usage of this chip will degrade the performance by 10% per year" >Me has been running BOINC on a poor GTX750Ti ever since I got it 7 or so years ago with no measurable performance loss
@leonardoelias22 3 жыл бұрын
I have a poor 1030 since 4 years and it still performace bad as a new one so, time didn't degrade it
@alexrider6200 3 жыл бұрын
I have been running a poor imaginary 2070 super in my mind the past three years with a considerable performance BOOST when it uograded to a 3080 a few months ago.
@vladvah77 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexrider6200 :-)
@musicxxa6678 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexrider6200 ahahah holy shit lol'd hard
@alexrider6200 3 жыл бұрын
@@musicxxa6678 whats so funny? Im being serious
@izanami705 3 жыл бұрын
I had almost forgotten how good the 10-series FE cards looked, damn.
@MP-ij8wo 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I didnt like the 10 or 20 series FE cards at all, but I think the 30 series FE's look freaking awesome.
@griknott 3 жыл бұрын
pieces of art, too bad blower coolers were the meta for way, way too long
@basshead. 3 жыл бұрын
@@MP-ij8wo The 20 Super series FE cards look nice. 30 series > 20 super series > 20 series > 10 series
@Dreams_Of_Lavender 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the simple lines of the 700 and 900 series, but yeah. Pretty sweet.
@basshead. 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Yup, they look nicer than the 10 series GPUs.
@oyuntv6068 2 жыл бұрын
Use tech host farms. They have the most profitable mining machines for mining.
@masterglitch0 2 жыл бұрын
How profitable is using a tech host farm??
@Sora-xm5xe 2 жыл бұрын
So I had permanently gemed with my old RTX 2080Ti and with my RX 6900 XT which I have since April 2021. My RTX 2080Ti had lost around 1-2% performance even after replacing the thermal compound in the 3DMark. My RX 6900 XT reference still has the same thermal compound and is 2.7% faster than before. I had to stop mining definitively over a month ago. I also had cards, but I had only mined with them briefly. And I also know from other miners: As soon as the thermal compound has been replaced, the card has almost 100% performance again. Mining is also not nearly as strenuous as gaming for the cards. The cards run constantly at the same clock and power consumption. Not as fierce up and down as in gaming and the cards are much cooler. But since they run 24/7, it is of course a heavy load and the probability that any components will break earlier is increased. I think all the errors and defects will only occur in a few years.
@basher_9754 3 жыл бұрын
I think I’m speaking for everyone when I say “we need another scrap yard wars” 😄
@joealex2463 3 жыл бұрын
That would be cool
@davidmartineziii7343 3 жыл бұрын
Scrapyard Wars: Pandemic Panic 🤣
@basher_9754 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidmartineziii7343 😂😂👍👍👍
@masterassassin5515 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah they can get a gt 710 and a third generation i3 for a thousand dollars
@bjbeardse 3 жыл бұрын
Only if they do it in a US southeastern smaller city. But I doubt we will see one until late 23 early 24.
@CixsCR2 3 жыл бұрын
Building a PC in 2021 was a mistake.
@Adrianwe44 3 жыл бұрын
Just wait 5 years
@videoarchiveseries4365 3 жыл бұрын
Rtx 980s are still reasonable right now.
@fullmelt93u63 3 жыл бұрын
Its easy if you enjoy setting money on fire. Ive built 2
@Soutfast 3 жыл бұрын
Idk what you did wrong but my 2021 built pc's are paying my rent
@robertrodriguez6359 3 жыл бұрын
@@Soutfast How?
@Frank44Costa Жыл бұрын
Now with the merge, this video has become even more important~. Time to share it all over the place.
@Pewafamath 2 жыл бұрын
Revisiting this video after those clown lip cards crashed and burned. New.
@karthikreddy2222 3 жыл бұрын
I will never buy a used mining GPU since I can't afford it!
@Vitor.S. 3 жыл бұрын
@@DemeDemetre Who would tho? Shitty card anyways
@leon760 3 жыл бұрын
how old are you ?
@itszortrax 3 жыл бұрын
@@leon760 3
@youwarajkushawaha4822 3 жыл бұрын
@@itszortrax 😂
@w4hid 3 жыл бұрын
start saving and one day, you will just like I did.
@krupalzala8688 3 жыл бұрын
"The flood of mining GPUs is inevitably coming" - HODL
@matthijsborgdorff7766 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Is it?
@b-beluga4510 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthijsborgdorff7766 it is joe mama
@biomerl 3 жыл бұрын
It is inevitably coming, the big coin that most of these gpus are mining is about to go proof of stake within the next couple of years and that will undercut the value of gpus for crypto even if the market never crashes.
@waylorudd1128 3 жыл бұрын
VoiceInTheBox yeah just wait several years don’t worry guys
@pablordgz 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthijsborgdorff7766 It came before, it will come again
@Hipsterjes Жыл бұрын
Linus: “… the inevitable used GPU flood that is going to happen…” Me: Oh my god it’s happening. 😮Everyone stay calm
@Nierez Жыл бұрын
Damn I missed it, did I?
@user-tb9yv4zz3u 2 жыл бұрын
Finally it’s time to take this video out of “Watch Later”
@yunousuzuya3993 3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile I am basically sitting here with an old gtx 1070, under full load every day for literal years ,without having any kind of performance drop that is either visible or shown in any benchmark software I tested so far. GPUs aren't as vulnerable as some people might think.
@marcus_ohreallyus 3 жыл бұрын
You're right. They're made to be tortured and withstand high temps that would cook most components.
@CarthagoMike 3 жыл бұрын
a used GT 710 mining edition still sounds like something I would stay away from... though not for the mining part.
@brycentacos 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idGoY91ezLbPonU.html&ab_channel=sagemaster
@sergiofreitas9368 3 жыл бұрын
but what about a GT210?
@user-bk7ys5cv6b 3 жыл бұрын
@@DemeDemetre intel gpus suck, even mid range amd igpus are better
@totopa657 3 жыл бұрын
I have a gt 630 but my pc is broken only the 630 survie
@IronIsKing 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-bk7ys5cv6b intel doesnt have any dgpus.
@hakancuval1496 2 жыл бұрын
I can't remember when I last used physical machines for mining. I will stick with tech host farm, mining service mining services. They are the best.
@newbiegaming6090 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, hold on... What?
@ivayloi736 2 жыл бұрын
We are having similar situation because of some big companies (already sued for false advertisement) saying - don't use your immune system, only buying our product will save you... But we can't really talk about that of course...
@coastalcatch8077 3 жыл бұрын
i miss the days when you could get used mining cards for dirt cheap, good times.
@brycentacos 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idGoY91ezLbPonU.html&ab_channel=sagemaster
@locnguyen97 3 жыл бұрын
me too! I bought RX580 4G for 60USD here back in early 2020. My manager at work had it even better, the same for 50USD in 2019 which then burned and he spent another 50USD to buy another one. When the GPU crisis comes, people bought broken GPU for sky high price to repair , he sold the burned RX580 for 150USD!!!
@lydierayn 3 жыл бұрын
@@locnguyen97 Got my rx 480 8gb for 75 $ around 2020. Best deal of my life
@Postman00 3 жыл бұрын
I remember getting over 20 GTX 1070s for my office workstations for $160 each, and a bunch of replacement fans from ebay for less than $100. I only had to replace one pair of fans so far. They're all still working fine and are more than profitable for the business.
@GhostvaperYT 3 жыл бұрын
eth is stopping but miners will goto other coins.
@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar 3 жыл бұрын
A used GPU is like a used car, some take care of it, some use it in the desert full pedal full of dust and clean it just before selling it.
@lifebot101 3 жыл бұрын
Buying a properly maintained GPU from a miner is like buying an old Crown Victoria Police interceptor.
@Adrianwe44 3 жыл бұрын
Copied comment
@mrn234 3 жыл бұрын
@@Adrianwe44 but is it something good or bad ? iam from germany so idk
@blockbertus 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrn234 Also from Germany but I guess these things are driven like they were stolen. As far as I know, they are also considered "tanks".
@Adrianwe44 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrn234 ich auch. Ist halt sehr unkreativ
@lchan1977 2 жыл бұрын
If it runs within specs, it should run flawlessly 10 years or more without any problem.
@ziggxter4634 Жыл бұрын
I had a MSI RX 580 that I got second hand from a miner and it failed within 2 weeks 🤷♂
@fus-ro-dah 3 жыл бұрын
Free tech tip: Ex-mining GPUs may have an altered BIOS. If you don't know how to restore the original BIOS, ask the seller to do it for you. Otherwise, the card may be undetectable by your PC. Ask me how I know.
@vorandhiweeratunga6496 3 жыл бұрын
No... you werent a... were you?
@fus-ro-dah 3 жыл бұрын
@@vorandhiweeratunga6496 My 980Ti broke so I got a 2nd hand RX580 😅 I don't mine. Not sure if that's what you're implying
@yukkitatsu 3 жыл бұрын
Ex mining amd gpu's more specifically*
@estatic707 3 жыл бұрын
They don't necessarily have one, that is extremely common on AMD cards, but not nearly as common on NVIDIA cards. This is because AMD cards get a 20% mining efficiency boost from the altered bios, but I don't know of any of my mining friends altering their bios. Think about how Nice Hash is trying to make it super easy for every gamer to mine, none of those people are altering their bios.
@shukshinite 3 жыл бұрын
How do u know
@pam0077 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just have to use common sense (I know, it's not very common). If mining GPUs degrade to the point some say it does, then the used GPU market would be flooded with reports of many many dead or dying used GPUs. There's very little evidence that has been the case.
@cartman20000 2 жыл бұрын
Mining etherium uses memory more than gpu power, so most mining cards would be optimized to run at a lower clock speed(and voltage) for the gpu and have the ram speed overclocked to as high as the card would support. It would be more likely for the ram to degrade over time than the gpu.
@klyplays 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, then you need to be a pro at SMD, either way, the GPU is toast.
@bricefleckenstein9666 2 жыл бұрын
@@klyplays No, you don't need to be a pro at SMD. Also, ram tends to NOT die from an excessive overclock as much as it tends to just say "I'm not going to run at all, turn the clock down and I'm fine" since it normally doesn't run nearly as HOT as the actual GPU die.
@icore8515 2 жыл бұрын
Who else is here watching this now that the price crash is finally here lol😅
@Kenzinru 3 жыл бұрын
Investing in a 1080ti might've been the best decision I've ever made.
@criticaltexan2334 3 жыл бұрын
same lol
@TheDorianTube 3 жыл бұрын
Mine is giving up I need a replacement lol
@bluewolf37777 3 жыл бұрын
I wish i did when the price was right. Instead i bought a 1070 for only $100 less than the 1080 ti price months before. Even then my 1070 was way cheaper than the horrible prices of today. So glad i didn’t hold off replacing my r9 270. Otherwise i would have played all my current games at low to mid settings.
@r3mxd 3 жыл бұрын
1080ti lmao
@OGMichaelC 3 жыл бұрын
Similar here. Just bought a used but clean 1080 pretty cheap early this year. Runs perfectly and is great for 1080p gaming
@hackysmack 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously Palit has thoroughly tested their cards and we can trust them 100% when they say that their cards degrade by 10% per year, unlike pretty much any other brand's cards. It's so honest of them to admit it!
@RonnyJakobsson 3 жыл бұрын
As a one-time former owner of a pallit GTX 570 card i can confirm it died after 4 year's. And that has never happened to me either before or after.
@hackysmack 3 жыл бұрын
@@RonnyJakobsson So now we know it's somewhere between 10% and 25%. Wow, good info on the Palit cards. There should be an expose!
@RoscoeDaMule 3 жыл бұрын
dishonest company being dishonest
@tjroelsma 3 жыл бұрын
They're admitting their cooling solution is s*** and their cards are basically running too hot.
@chairvergil4552 3 жыл бұрын
@@tjroelsma I'd say that's better for us since we'd know for sure what we're buying
@tremon3688 Жыл бұрын
As a hardware engineer student this is what I always thought. Makes no sense that silicon will "degrade" and not stop working
@BumboLooks Жыл бұрын
You're proof that engineering students aren't at all knowledgeable in hard science. Carbon resisters increase in resistance value over time due to minute atom migrations caused by moving electrons. Similarly the properties of semiconductors change over time due to similar atom migrations of P and N doped silicon. The smaller the semiconductor components the more noticeable the change. The physical substance doesn't degrade but it's electrical properties do drastically change.
@tremon3688 Жыл бұрын
@@BumboLooks I am for sure no expert in physics, never said that. The point is that there is no middle point. Either the chip works or doesn't work, if the silicon degrades, which for what I know happens very slowly, the chip will fail to meet timing clock requirements and therefore stop working as intended, or directly produce incorrect results because of this degradation and the transistors not behaving correctly
@BumboLooks Жыл бұрын
@@tremon3688 Thermal cycling can also kill a GPU too. Solder cracks are an issue. You don't have a point. You have no idea about what you are talking about quite frankly.
@tremon3688 Жыл бұрын
@@BumboLooks I do have a point as it is shown in the video and I just explained to you. I didn't say that I have a lot of knowledge about physics, or that silicon degradation is the only cause for a chip to die. What I said is: A GPU will not lose performance until it breaks. You are bitter for no reason and are making up what I say. Whatever
@BumboLooks Жыл бұрын
@@tremon3688 You have dementia. Let me quote your original comment "As a hardware engineer student this is what I always thought. Makes no sense that silicon will "degrade" and not stop working"
@CrazycruxGaming 2 жыл бұрын
My main issue: Linus only tested the performance of the clock speeds. No tests performed on the CUDA cores, the onboard memory, or the fans. These are all things that may have aged as well, and independently of the core clock, at that.
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