I've been on Tein springs with factory struts for over 2 years with no issues. It rides near stock comfort. Springs are perfectly fine for a daily. This video needs to be labeled "Cheap Springs are bad"

If your on a budget i rather do shocks and springs than buying cheap coilovers 🤔

Lowering Springs because I drive a non turbo Mazda. Also because I'm 34 with two kids 🥴🥴 Edited: every quarter someone asks what's an NA Mazda 🙄🙄🙄

The correct lowering springs will work with an OEM struts and you won’t loose suspension features such as adaptive dampening. You will loose it with coilovers.

This guy is one of the most genuine guys I have seen on youtube. I do a Subaru but I like watching Justins videos

Actually lowering spring paired with the correct shocks will still give you much better performance and handling than cheap coilovers.

This is literally what i've been looking for, the answer, thank you for a simple and straight forward video.

Im just looking for aesthetics, i just wanna lower the car. Springs it is!! Just saved myself 1300$

Always so amazed about the video quality it’s insane thank you Justin 🙏🏻

Running H&R springs and Koni shocks on my Legacy GT and couldn’t be happier. Way better than any coilover at the price point of this pair (about $800) and it’s very comfy, looks lowered, and handles better than a cheap coilover from BC or Tein. You lose some of that “riding on rails” feeling you get from using rubber top hats rather than the hard ones on coilovers, but it’s much better for NVH and I’m already at my threshold with an exhaust and engine/trans mounts.

I'm just gonna share my opinion based on what i've experienced. I've had both coilovers and shock plus sport springs and i'll definitely recommend a good set of shock and spring and here ir why: On one hand you're stucked to the height but on the other hand you're perfectly confortable that the spring rate and the shock will get the best combo you can get because it was projected for the best compromise between ride comfort and performance. And these examples are for Koni Sport/Bilstein B8 + Eibach Sportline/ Prokit or H&R When you're buying a coilover you basically buying a set of spring and shock that will have to deal with a large set of height configurations and it will never get the job done like a good set of springs and shocks. It is just not possible, unless we're talking about a KW or Bilstein or Koni and so on but most of the coilovers will much better give you a good looking car than a comfort and performance balanced setup ;)

I have the Eibach pro kit lowering springs on a 2018 GTI. Had them installed about a month after purchasing the car brand new, at about 1k miles. It’s a mild drop, about an inch which isn’t really extreme on the stock shocks. Obviously coilovers are better as stated in the video, but wanted to comment that lowering springs will work well too, assuming your shocks and struts are newish. I’m at 20k miles today, and they feel fine. Not too harsh, and still has the new car ride feel.

I'm running bilstein b8 with eibach prokit. I have a new car and was running just the prokit springs. The ride quality wasn't bad since my shocks were still new, but when I swapped out for the bilstein, it was night and day. Ride quality was noticeably improved and can definitely feel it on the rebound.

Very helpful, helped prevent me from just jumping right in to sport lowering springs, going to save the headaches and just go straight to coilovers on my BMW 530

I had lowering springs on my Ford Ranger years ago and the ride was more unsettling, until I invested in some belltec nitro and it improved quite a bit. I was really in budget at the time

Great video, literally was thinking of coilovers but was gonna go the cheaper route with lowering springs. I thought man how is the ride quality gonna be and is it worth it in all. This video helped me realize its better to save up and get coilovers. Helpful video man, keep it up

After several years of trying to tuff it out with H&R springs front and rear on my 2012 Fiat 500 I finally had to replace them with my original stock springs. The H&R ride became increasingly more harsh. Even though I replaced the struts and shocks the ride was still very stiff and harsh but less bouncy. It’s a relief now to have restored the stock ride.

Definitely had to get coil-overs for the FRS. Loved the adjustable & easy installation.

Thanks for posting, was thinking of getting h&r springs but after watching this will get bc coilovers.

You'll be alright with factory shocks and struts on lowering springs.

I got Eibach lowering springs, and got new oem shocks and struts at the same time, and was AMAZING on my Mazda 3. No roll, no bounce, stiff, and worked great.

Excellent video! to the point, simple and informational!

Crisp clean well delivered explanation. Thanks.

Correct springs will work with OEM struts and not cause unneeded wear as long its in the OEM strut travel range. Coilovers are harsher even if you can adjust the dampening, Springs will allow you to keep the OEM ride quality. You also need to consider why you are lowering your car is it for tracking or just closing wheel gap with some cornering improvement. Installing coilovers and living in an area where there are speed bumps, poor roads, potholes, curbs etc will just cause you headaches this is why you would consider springs with OEM ride quality but just be prepared to "eventually replace your struts in another 35K miles or so.

Depends on what you want honestly. Springs is good for a daily if you want to lower and keep the ride smooth. Coil overs is if you want to either slamm and or adjust to a perfect fit but it’ll be a much more rough ride imo

Stuck with the stock ride height and went with the Bilstein B6 for my E90 330i sport package, but love the overall balance. While not as cool looking as your 330i, I'm happy not having to slow to 2mph for driveways or speedbumps and still supple enough for long road trips. Great job with all the videos - even some of these more basic ones!

I bought some AGX struts and H&R springs for my 98 Impreza L Coupe. I haven't installed them yet so I've been watching videos about the pros and cons, so thank you for this video.

Bro lowering springs are fine just buy ones from a reputable brand such as tein and make sure they are designed specifically for your car

I like that info on lowering springs.... Cuzz I was 2nd guessing on buying lowering springs. But NOW, I think I'm gonna stick to my 1st decision, Coilovers, all the way bruh! Thanks! Keep up the good work!👍

Watching and understanding the whole video is important 😂! Good advice bro

I was considering getting some Eibachs and keeping my current Sachs shocks, but now I realise I should just save up and get the full kit. Thanks, dude ❤❤

Nice video, but I am completely happy with my eibach springs and sways on my wrx and it's done quite a few track days. Only got bouncy after being on for 60k miles, probably dead struts

Thanks for explaining bro Great video again 💯🚘

Been on new h&r race springs paired with new bilstein touring struts and shocks and have had 0 issues. Goal was aesthetic drop without sacrificing ride quality. Perfect pairing imo.

kw v1 on my e90xi, just lowered them some more. love it

Currently considering of lowering my 3.6L Passat, and going to 19" wheels. Great advise! Thanks.

Thanks for an informative video. I'm looking into some mods on my Mazda 6 2018 stationcar, and with 19" rims, chrome-delete and a bunch of other things, it quickly adds up. I was told that when it being a stationcar, it isn't (in any way) a performance car and the "ride quality" will not suffer that much when using 30mm lowering springs - however, they do wear the shocks faster than buying a complete kit. Coilovers, or shocks and springs are almost 5x or 6x the price of springs - so I'm thinking i'll just go with the springs at first.

Thanks a lot that advice just saved me lots of headache 😊

Great video Justin 👍

Eibach sportline kit with new KYB Excel-G struts. As you said, I had previously put them on stock shocks and the ride was hella bouncy, so I bought these new KYBs and now the ride comfort is pretty decent. They were also pretty cheap compared to the coilovers :)

I just installed lowering springs and bought cheap oem generic shocks for my E46, worst decision ever, specially the back end bounces really bad, now I need sport shocks for the back at least (and will pray it matches the spring rate!) you’re absolutely right, save extra money and get the preassembled system

i needed this vid in my life lol

Idk I kinda like stock ride height lol, maybe that’s the cheapness in me because I don’t want to spend $1400 on some Coilovers

I had kw coilovers but the back always sat 2 low and couldn't go any higher...I now have the B12 pro kit and I love it. Just give them a few days to settle 👍

Had Eibach Pro kit on B4s, everything installed on the same time. First 2000km ok, after that increased loss of ride quality, traction, premature wear and started to bottom out and bouncing back and forth on bumpy surfaces. Bought later the right dampers for the springs, the B8s. Totally different experience. No bottoming, very controlled ride, superb traction and much better ride quality.

Got my Bilstein b14 installed on my f33. performance and looks is great i love it .

Just casually trying to decide how I wanna lower my civic hatch and then all of the sudden I see my hair salon in the background 😳

Ran hr springs and matching struts shocks on my old e36 loved it. Now running hr race springs and konis with adjustable camber plates and adjustable rear control and toe arms in my e39 540i love it. Spent more on it that I could've gotten a decent set of coilovers but the way my e36 was I kept with springs and matching struts

2 years with godspeed springs on my 2014 Hyundai sonata no issues yet and ride didn’t change much at all, but thank you for the advice!

Glad you posted this at 3am, gonna get some coilovers right now

Just bought some TruHart struts for my 93 Accord wagon. Gonna be getting some lowering springs soon. Thankfully was told about getting performance struts over OEM shocks to put the lowering springs on.

Casually filming in your underwear! You're hilarious man! haha

Got Tein S Tech on my CRX w KYB and work great so far. Getting some for my Del Sol and will use top hats that add about 1 inch extra travel for strut,

Love your videos!

Just ordered ARK springs for my 13 Genesis. Can’t wait to see how she looks

Eibach pro kit lowering springs on stock suspension on the Volkswagen Vento. These were designed to work with stock suspension. It's pretty good from my experience but coilovers are just different.

Good information.

Hi Justin, A couple years ago as an experiment I bought a set of lowering springs brand Megan Racing from Amazon for my 2009 E90. Let me tell you that for $150 totally worth it, Im riding 1.8" lower than before and the ride is very comfortable.

Thank you for this I was gonna get some springs for my accord but i want it to be stiffer so I’ll just grab some coils

Straight forward and to the point. thank you for this

The video was very helpful, coilovers 👍🏾

I have a set of inverted Bilsteins on OEM springs. The Bilsteins helped a lot. I like them over Konis for cost of rebuilds. Monotube Bilsteins tend to last much longer as well. For street use though unless you're willing to release some of the gas pressure a Koni twin tube setup just does a lot better at absorbing the smaller imperfections, but big bumps can be just as brutal. A problem that I find with lowering springs is that they are designed mostly around stock dampers and they lower the vehicle too much with too low of a spring rate. Lowering a vehicle effectively changes the geometry of the suspension and can negatively impact performance, regardless of if it's a coilover. My issue with coilovers are generally ability to get dampers rebuilt, the quality of the damper, valving, and the lack of travel. On some applications you gain space for wider wheels and tires and in my case you lose wheel and tire clearance. Sway bars also play a roll in the balance of everything as do wheel/tire weights, etc. Lowering springs aren't inherently bad for street use, but on my model it actually effects toe, roll center movement, camber curves, etc. Very smart people design these suspensions and some thought should be put into how it all works before deciding to alter it, unless your function is purely aesthetic. Lowering springs were great on some of my cars, and detrimental on others. It's a pretty deep subject, but those that put in the work can find something that matches their needs.

I have Eibach suspension on my e90. It sits really nice and i do get a lot of compliments on it. The ride quality is absolutely amazing and my car loves the corners. Literally no body roll at all. No problems with it in the 3 years i’ve had it. The only con is i am pretty low, but i got used to it, just have to remember not to fly over a speed bump lol.

This is great advice but what if you have adaptive damping system & there's no support with coils or just way too expensive. Would springs be a better option ?

Had 40 mm lowering springs on my prelude 97. Had 400 xxx km on it. Shaved off about 3 secs of my time at zandvoort. And the ride was still excellent imo.

Great video man, what coilovers package are good for f82 m4?

Great succinct video. I learned that 1) lowering springs aren't a good idea generally. 2) I can't AFFORD to lower my volvo properly. 3) It's cool when your car has the sexy, lowered stance, but it ain't THAT serious, I'll use the money I DON'T spend lowering for gas.

As much as I’ve spent to make my coilovers actually lower my car properly I could’ve bought some lowering springs and gotten new shocks and would’ve been a lot lower for about the same 3-400 I was already in on these crappy eBay coils

I put Eibach lowering springs on my 2010 Challenger RT and dropped it 2” on some 22” rims. It looked AMAZING! But… It made my car very bouncy and wore out the control arm. Even after taking the 22s off it was still a weird ride. When I get my Stinger I’ll just throw some coilovers and 20s on it and call it a day.

Thank you man 🙏

If you want to lower your car slightly and on a budget $300 usually gets you some quality lowering springs. Coil overs start at about $800 on up but are adjustable. I've used both in many German cars and found H&R sport springs work just fine. Though adjustable coil overs are a nice option I rather save the extra cash for other parts for the car like tires.

Im running Bilstein B4s w/ my factory M-Sport springs. The B4s were meant as an OEM replacement so I'm okay with running my M-Sport suspension springs.

I run vwr springs and bilstein sport struts and shocks on my mk6 gti. Amazing combination in my opening

Answered my questions I thought I needed springs and the coilovers you actually just saved me a ton of cash 👍

Great video. Agree 110% Originally put lowering springs on my MK7 Golf R @ 10k miles and the struts were trash by 20k. The car road great before. Just upgraded to KW V2's and the ride is as you said, night and day better! It rides very close to stock with a little more sporty stiffness but still soaks up bumps all while being nearly an inch and a half lower. I highly recommend getting purpose built lowering springs and doing it right the first time so you don't have to do the job twice. 👍🏻

I have a BMW 535i M-sport from 2016. Upcoming saturday I am going to install my new BC Racing coilover kit together with new 20" Ström ST3 rims. Can't wait! :D

Mk6 Gti with kw coilovers. Excelente ride, handling, no problems at all.

Well said Bro❤👍

A lot of variables to consider, like what the car is worth, whether you plan on keeping the car, and what kind of car you want to lower. On one of my cars, a Mini Cooper S, I purchased it used and knew the value of the car would drop like a box of rocks, even though I was keeping the car I wasn't going to spend 2K on Bilstein PSS9's and in a few years the cars value nose dive. My second point is, the ride quality on the coilovers would have definitely been best, but consider the size of or length of the wheelbase, it was going to be on the rough side either way. I asked for the advice of my Mini independent shop and he advised me to just get H&R sport springs if I wasn't committed to spending a couple of grand on quality coilovers The ride is not bouncy but if I hit a pothole it definitely hits the bump stops. I also have MKIV R32 with Bilstein B16 coilovers and I wouldn't consider anything else.

As long as a respectable brand is used for springs the ride isn’t bouncy, what makes a bouncy ride is cutting or heating the factory springs simply because the spring rate changes and you’re also weakening the coil by heating it, and cutting them also changes the spring rate.

Been running raceland for two years now on my 06 gs300. Got them bc I didn’t have tons of money but still wanted the whole coilover set up. For $500 the feel is still good, not as soft as stock (bc it’s a Lexus) just a tad tighter. Doesn’t compare to bc coils on swift springs but for 1/3 of the price and lifetime warranty I think is a great buy

Lowing springs on the jetta rides like a big poopoo! Lol I'm looking into coilovers to help the ride

Lowered my 2004 suburban with 3-4 lowering springs and belltech street performance lowering shocks great ride and look.

great video !

I am on stock shocks for now. But I am running H&R sport springs. And I have 112,200 miles and the ride is starting to suck! But they look good and take turns good!

I put lowering spring one my 2nd car i owned whuch was a 89 accord. Man that ride was horrible, but i was the ish back then....lol. Never doing that again.

i drove 4 years with a 1998 corolla with Vogtland lowering springs 30mm front and back, starlet with 40mm springs, yaris t sport with 40mm springs and a daihatsu charade with 40mm springs. always gave me good feedback on the nurburgring. So yeah i will keep running on lowering springs with stock shocks but with my current car i will do lowering springs with new shocks. Once i had a Civic hatch with a D2 coiloverkit but it was a very expensive kit.

still run the standard kyb shocks in my wrx, and have swapped the springs for king springs so a bit firmer spring rate, but still kept the same height/ done a little rally stuff with it as well and they're held up more than ok ahaha

Just curious - I own a stock VW Golf and found factory GTI springs (maybe 0.5-0.75" drop) and thought this was a subtle enough change that new shocks wouldn't be necessary. Thoughts on this type of a subtle change? Usually these perspectives are for people trying to slam their cars I thought.

I went with stock struts and ebay lowering springs on a mostly stock 2000 gs-r. Other than the comfort level it improved the car's handling. That may not be due to the spring but because the lower ride height. Still there is nothing wrong with lowering springs if you consider what they are, a cheap alternative to other things. Just dont expect a stock strut/shock to last as long with lowering springs.

What’s up Justin I appreciate the video and now a day everything is on a budget. But I recently acquire some Monroe shocks for my Chrysler Crossfire and i put them on and didn’t even realize that I would need lowering springs would you be able to recommend some proper lowing springs that would be good with the Monroe springs once again and thanks again for a good info

Ran H&R super sport springs on my A90 Supra and they were solid. Sold the car so not sure of any long term issues but I was happy with them.

I love the beginning to the video forgot how nice your rims are

Hey! I have a bmw340 and I’m thinking about upgrading my shocks since I just install the h&r lowering springs! I’m planning on going with the Bilsteins, will my ride height change if I do so?

what’s the best lowering spring that will work with the stock shock absorber? looking for low on my 2015 mazda 3 sedan. thanks!

If i already have sport coilovers from Bilstein, then Eibach lowering springs make sense right? I mean it‘s not stock coilovers so it would fit better I guess but i‘m not a pro so i‘m asking you guys if you have some knowledge. It‘s for an mx 5 nd sportsline

Hey Justin, I put Bilstein HD's on my car. Could i put the h&r lowering springs on with those or would that be useless too? I also have the XI suspension like you but I put the Bilstein HD's on after I bought it....

Justin how does your 330 ride with the 235 260 staggerred set up? Considering it since I also got a 330 and love the look of yours :D

Another one ☝️ hey dude you’re bmw is ageless still looks fresh.

I'm gonna give lowering springs a shot an get a quick alignment and if the ride is shit I guess later down the road I'll buy aftermarket shocks. But doing it this way makes me feel like I'm saving money rather than dropping $5-700 in one time on some coilovers that might not even be that good.