yep

Might be true, but if we're talking about 450 4stroke and 250 2stroke, yes its cheaper, but you're redoing the motor more often in comparison the 4 stroke is more economical and you are not redoing motor every 40mth. I've always said that its all about what do you prefer, not about cost because it will eventually brake eaven

@@hauntycz5191 we have 5 450s all 2015-2022, we have 3 250 2strokes all 2000-2007. In my experience the 450s break way way more often even with great maintenance, and when they do it’s 5 times more expensive to rebuild/fix. Also way way more to go wrong with the 450s, more tech, fuel injection ect. With our 250s it’s just rings every 50hrs, piston every 100 and they are good to go. Just my experience with our bikes.

yup !!!!

​@@GixxerKris YZ125 & kx250 best 2 strokes ever.

I ride a 2003 ktm 450 exc, that has gone 18+ years no rebuild and 4 months ago had its first ever valve adjustment. I ride river beds, hill climbs and trails. Best bike ever. And btw im 14 lmao. Bought the bike off of my neighbour 2 years ago. And before it was my neighbours it was my dads, and before that a friend of my dads. KTM's are beast. Oh and I oil change every 50-60 hours. :)

Jeez

I got 14 years out of a 1998 rm 250 with a stock piston on benoil and 32 to 1 mix

Rugged.

Did you go with stainless valves?

I was gonna say this also and right from jump this dude showed what he doesn’t know the 5 valve Yamaha’s are legendary for durability and longevity compared to most modern four strokes. And according to him they are a failure point? Weird that the rest of the world didn’t experience this.

@@jonruger yep…to be fair the steel 5 valve heads did have some issues from the YZ400 from 98-2000…once Yamaha went to titanium valves with lighter springs the issues were solved..it’s a superior design but isn’t used anymore for production costs…the 426 has the strongest crank Yamaha ever made, the first 450s were weak and the 400s were weak as well due to attempts to save weight (also why the first 450s only had a 4 speed gearbox) …as for the manual compression release he’s correct that if you didn’t properly tune the bike (and didn’t know the proper technique) they could be difficult to start…my 426 has been modified so I don’t have those issues period…I’ve got bigger radiators, aftermarket exhaust, 13.5:1 piston, hot cams, modified FCR carb, upgraded ignition and a ported head…when I had it dyno’d she put 54.6 HP to the ground @ 9700 RPM…good luck getting those numbers out of a new fuel injected bike 😂…keep in mind that the bike in its stock form was just fine I just can’t help myself when it comes to dirt bikes, I’m always squeezing the most out of those engines …the 2001-02 426 by far had the most aggressive power seen by any 4 stroke that’s never been seen before or since (which I absolutely love)…he’s forgetting that those bikes were designed to race against 2 strokes and acted more like the open class big bores than todays smooth power 4 strokes (which I hate)…most modern 450s rev clear up to 13k and have a very long power curve …fact is people are spoiled now and are too chicken sh@t to ride something that terrifies the rider

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 I think the 2022 yz450f makes 56 base hp. Not sure if that's intirely true but that's what Google said lmao

426 is at the very most collectable for its chronological place in 4stroke history, and the fact that it doesnt disappoint those who are glutton for punishment. They are finicky to start even with technique and a hot start, they run hot, The clutch is weak and squealy, 1st and 2nd gear are entirely too tall for woods work, They are heavy, poorly suspended, crummy ergonimics especially around the radiator shrouds and they would burn the piss out of you if you get anywhere near the header pipe. Summer single track riding.....forget about it. Now if you want a dirt drag bike that is blue.....eh maybe you should pull the trigger on one

Yes, he has mistaken 425 to 450, but it was crappy motor anyways. Especially with manual decompression valve. 450cc after 2003 is ok.

Exactly! Same here. Mine has crazy power now.

Seriously... These don't have the valve problems of the newer bikes. Tech from the World Superbike machines for real. The 5 valve head is extremely tough. That's why these make insane dual sport engines! Guys track these bikes and I've seen them pass KTM RC 390s on the straights wide open. ⚡⚡

And has literally probably 400+ hours on jt

I ride a 2005 crf230f right now. Been looking into the 250R lately tho, do you think it’s worth it to try to sell the 230 and put some extra money out of pocket into the 250R?

@@chriscuddy633 absolutely! Just find one that runs and take care of it, if it’s hard to start I guarantee it’s the valves every time, check the clearances every 10 hours and you should be fine

@@chriscuddy633 had my 04 Crf250r for about a year never had a problem only thing is clutch is kinda slipping cause it’s never been upgraded and I ride it hard

I always hear that aftermarket heads were required.

Same. I have a 05 that needs valves right now so I want to see what he does before I order parts.

Yo that is a legendary proportions 🤘🏄

Like the rmz's and starting to look at some low hr used bikes. Always like the 450, but something about the 250 keeps drawing me to it. I'm only 140lbs and only ride as a hobby. Have you ridden the 450 and u like prefer the 250?

@@eminiscalperpro9729 trust me get a 250, you can have way wayyyyy more fun on a 250 and actually ride the bike, not have the bike ride you, at 140lbs, you got no business on a 450 unless your an A class or top B rider. even then you will have more fun being able to rip on the bike and utilize the power and not have the bike constantly wanting to throttle jockey outta your hands.

@@romper4444 i think a 250 would be more fun overall, being able to ride it to its full potential, especially with the suspension set up correctly. Nice having the extra torque of a 450 and most of my past riding was mainly on Cr500's. But, nowadays I think I prefer a 250f with a few engine mods. 450 and 500 2 strokes are great but can get you in trouble very fast.

Kawazuki is the way

Mhm, plastic kit 450$ with no aftermarket option, basically no after market parts at all. Also the whole gearbox on my 125 completely exploded for no reason at all. too scared to ride it anymore tbh it’s been sitting around

I almost bought one the other day I'm glad I didn't the dealer suck! If they were so damn good they would have a dealer in Colorado where there's a lot of riding. I'll stick to KTM, Sherco and beta you can get parts for all of them.

@@barryhallsack8852 see im from the uk and our importer is a super nice guy, sadly i cant speak for anywhere else.

Rare as hens teeth and worth $ now

@@deborahchesser7375 I have a 440 bike and the quad. (Speed I think)Both updated by ATK and both blew up within three weeks of being rebuilt.

basically, anyone can work on a 2 stroke and almost anyone can afford to work on it

i agree i have an 09 450 xcf tore it down for visual inspection when i bought it looked perfect so i updated the oil pump and installed a je piston and a dirt tricks tensioner

The RFS motors taught me how to work on 4strokes . The hardest bikes to rebuild , but when built right they are great - Breaking the Timing chain ( Rivet removal and push in) just to remove top end is a pain .

01 was a great year for Honda 2 strokes. Think you are either illergic to 2 strokes, or you got it from a dude that ran the piss out of it and didn't take care of it

@@patrickmeyer9905 I bought it brand new from a Honda dealership, I really think there was a manufacturing flaw in the cases that didn't let the crankshaft align properly in the cases, I sold that bike and made the buyer aware of the issues I'd had with it, but I had a 2001 CR250 that worked great and I even bought a 2002 CR250 that I still have to this day and it's been great bike. Nothing against Hondas whatsoever, but by 2003 the YZ250F had such a power advantage over the 125s I started racing Yamahas.

@@patrickmeyer9905 I know for a fact I took great care of the bike, I cleaned the air filter every ride, kept the gearbox oil changed regularly and always had it jetted right for the temperature and elevation. I think I rode the Novice class back then so I don't think I was running it too hard like a pro would.

@@TheTanner218 Bad apple? I've heard from friends that the 01 125s and especially the 250s were really good bikes

@@patrickmeyer9905 that's what I thought, I liked the power, handling suspension and everything when it was running, but the motor would just blow up way too often.

Has anyone ever had a bike where someone forgot the oil filter? No not forgot which way it came out the whole fuckin filter LMFAOO

@@JayDeeFrm7400 yeah that Lund guy was complaining that 06 KX450 are no good because he got one with a filter in backwards that's why I commented that .

Uhhh jetting obviously

I had a 05 crf450x did beryllium copper seat with stock valves and made it street legal rode it 1000 miles of pavement then another 1000 on off road and then about another 1000 on motocross tracks hitting pretty big jumps biggest was about 100-105ft. Bike still running suspension was amazing although I did have factory connection give me a gncc setup. Air box mod and jd jetting kit.

Had 07 450x lock the transmission up with 75 miles on it. Still ran with the clutch in lol. Sucked I was about 7 miles into the desert in 29 palms at well over 100°

@@chrisvillarreal2752 Did Fastheads do your seats? Good to hear how good those new seats are.

i got a 13 its awesome you right man.