Yo.... Why didn't you just return it?

@@bladesandbows1521 I did return it. But I figured while I had to wait for the sales person, and ebay to get on board, I'd make this video. But yes I do not have it anymore.

@Johnathan Jeusik Oh OK. I guess by your reaction. I thought that you got screwed over and stuck with that knife... Well I am glad you were able to return it. . Here's hoping that there are no more people trying to bamboozle on ebay... I doubt it though.

@Boys and our Blades! at first I wasn't sure. They were giving me kinda a hard time and not getting back to me. But eventually they did. And there's still a ton of scammers on ebay. But I have also bought my fair share of legitimate knives from ebay too.

The bugout Benchmade is crap and everyone is getting ripped off

According to wish, they don't allow counterfeit or cloned items. 😂

It's a Federal offense to knowingly sell a counterfeit product! You can get busted then sued by whatever company the counterfeit is represented as made by. The counterfeit should not be returned to the seller and should be destroyed. If returned to seller, they will use it to scam someone else. You can get refunded from Ebay/seller without returning the counterfeit product.

@@johnruiz6743 That is interesting. I reported many of them that were clearly fake and ebay did nothing about it. Only switchblades and out the front knives which I usually don't report unless I think they are fake. Very seldom see that but I saw an out the front Benchmade new and way too cheap so I reported that and they did take that one down but not the other fakes. Ebay is only thinking of the fees they collect I guess. I am an ebay seller.

I'm glad I could help!! I appreciate it!

Thats amazing! I'm so happy I helped! That's the whole reason I did this video!! Where was the scam??

I appreciate that! I wanted to be a detailed as I could

Hey I appreciate that! I don't want people to make the same mistake I did.

I 10000% agree with you! It just sucks. I have sold legitimate knives on ebay. They were used, but I would never sell a fake personally. But I know that's me. I also have bought real knives off ebay. But it's the scams that just get me pissed off.

That means alot! Thank you, I get so many people so mad at me, for 1 reviewing a bugout, 2 talking to much, 3 saying that the "clone" is better, and 4 just people upset that Benchmade raised their prices. This is truly why I made this video is to help people. We're you about to get scammed on one??

Thank you!! I appreciate a legitimate comment that helps and doesn't just bash on people for buying from an ebay listing, or buying a benchmade in general!

May I ask you to elaborate on your question?

Yes, but not very good. Metal has different grades. And the fake did not have a good grade of metal for the screws, clip, and other parts.

@johnsthan.jerusik Thanks 4 the reply 🙏

The coffin foam is always the same though. They do that on purpose cause the counterfeiters cannot duplicate that foam pattern. Haven't seen it successfully done yet.

I did get my money back. But I really don't want anyone else to get scammed like I did. I know my videos can be long but I really try to be as informative as I can. I'm glad you liked it. And Amazon does sell real bugouts. But I know people get scammed. And the problem is the scammed use the real photos. I actually just got scammed again with a different bugout. Got my money back, and because the seller wouldn't respond I actually now own the fake bugout. I want to make a video with it. But im glad I helped man!!

It’s best to buy from a Benchmade Premium dealer

I won’t buy anything from EBay. I got my Bugout from bass pro.

Thats crazy! I have bought 4 or 5 knives from ebay. 2 were fakes and both were benchmades.

@@johnathan.jerusik ya. I just pay a little more and use knife center or bladehq. It's worth knowing you have a real one.

@@brettsadler4211 typically I use dlt, blade hq, knifecenter, American edge, and deadwood knives. Or direct buy like quiet carry, or trm. But some are so hard to find and ebay has been the only place. I have had only bad luck on ebay with benchmades

I agree! 10000% I actually mostly stick with actual legitimate sellers. That's where I got the 1st one. The whole thing about the 2nd one was I didn't want to spend full price to modify it and ruin a brand new knife. I also didn't know enough at the time, and also didn't even know that people made fake copies of knives. I been into knives very very casually for years. But really only knew about CRKT, Buck, gerber and like your Smith and Wesson type knives. So when I really started to dive head first into the knife world that's when the benchmades and spydercos came out of the cracks. Now I know there are thousands of knives. But my main point of this video is to document every detail I could so someone else dosent get the same scam.

I haven't seen make fakes that have been strong. Even the 2nd fake I bought of the s90v version the carbon fiber splintered and snapped. And yes both versions I paid for, were very close to the real price. This fake was over 100 bucks. The s90v version that was a fake was 220. That's why I was pissed off when I made this video.

@@johnathan.jerusik yawh, it's kinda justified then to get pissed 😅. Mine fake looked better than yours and it's just about $30 in the local online market where I come from (I'm from a S. E. A country, Indonesia). Maybe y'all should buy your sturdy fakes where I bought mine n avoid those eBay sellers 🤧

The fake was off eBay, and I paid around 100-110? I can't 100% remember. I have gotten my money back since. I tried reporting the seller but they vanished.

@@johnathan.jerusik the price was the giveaway. 100 for a 150 dollar knife, a.third of the price discount is hard to believe. I've been burned on ebay myself and you learn to spot the BS real quick

@@MrKinghuman 2 things. 1 the bugout prices at the time I bought the fake were around 130ish. So I didn't think much of that. 2 the pictures that were shown appeared to be of a legitimate bugout. Like they owned a real bugout, took the pictures of that and used those photos. That's how I was able to get my money back because the pictures didn't match the photos.

Thank you!!! I appreciate that!!

Completely agree. Locally, the griptilian sells for less and is a better knife that is ALMOST justifiable.

I normally would 100% agree ilbut I paid almost 120 bucks for it because it was a auction.

That's my exact point!!! So many people on here have missed that and I keep getting the "my clone is better". My issue is the lying and scamming people. So thank you for understanding

It's just crazy people would do stuff like this. Every photo showed even a legitimate bugout. It really pissed me off. Luckly ebay stepped in and I got my money back. But its annoying people would do this

you can never be certain on ebay. That really sucks man. Ebay is pretty good though. I got a fake romeo5…i didnt know there were fakes. Ebay took care of that too, and I learned my lesson

That's very liberal of you! Whenever you don't agree with someone, just call them a negative name ("racist/xenophobic/jingoistic"). I am surprised that no one exposed you for what you really are, a "talking point" leftist with a political agenda. I am actually very surprised that you did not take a jab at conservatives by blaming Trump for the clones! Johnathan Jeusik states in his own post that he make fake, ehm...clone guitar pedals and you give him a bye on that one. Yeah, just look the other way... I bought a clone, I knew it was a clone and I am getting great satisfaction from my knife! Don't make a purchase of something you know nothing about and pay top dollar for it. It makes no sense! Jeusik, you got scammed and you are pissed. I get it. Just don't blame the world for your ignorance on the subject. Good lesson learned for the believers and unbelievers alike.

lol

For real I just can justify paying that much money for a knife. I don't care what name comes on it.

I agree, but it is artistic theaft

I have heard there are different qualities of clones. But to me, I am also a musician. I build guitar pedals on the side. The pedals I build are sometimes clones of other pedals. But the difference is, I don't hid it. I don't make it look like the original, and I am very clear in my price that I'm not over charging someone. But I keep a good quality in my clones. Now I get knives you can't really do that the same. But, I just got scammed on ebay 2 more times recently. One was on a bugout with the carbon fiber. The pictures that were used was for the real version. So theres no way of knowing. I did get my full money back, but the seller never responded to me or ebay and I kept the knife. The carbon fiber scales, which could be fake CF, already are cracking and I didn't even use the knife. I was holding it and gave it a squeeze to feel how rigid the knife was. I also got scammed recently on a set of "CF-Elite" scales. The seller I don't think knew anything but they were so cheap im not going to make a big stink. But those scales are so flimsy I can almost bend them in half without trying. I don't get how anyone can sleep at night screwing people over. Especially when we are in this day and age with everything being outrageous in cost

@@johnathan.jerusik Yeah I agree. I don't think it's right to pass off one of the clones as a real Benchmade especially if you're going to be charging someone for the real thing. The sellers could at least admit it's a clone, tell you what steel it's made of, and tell you the materials the parts are made of, and they would get the same amount of money as they would charging $100-$200+. More people would buy a clone because it's like test driving a Ferrari before buying it. Most people want a cheaper Benchmade clone because they want that feeling and functionality without the price. I know this because a lot of my friends like Benchmade knives but can't afford one so I told them about some clones and they were all over it. They all bought their own clones and they love them and the knives haven't had any major issues besides the action sounding gritty but they couldn't complain cause they snagged them for $30-$40 each. Now if you start to charge $170+ for that $30 Chinese knife, that's a freakin' problem and you should be ashamed. Someone was looking forward to receiving a real Benchmade knife and got severely disappointed.

@@blossomingpoot044 that's the exact issues I had!!! This one I paid over 100 dollars for. I think I was like 120ish. And the other one I paid 220 for! I agree if it's said upfront. But I also don't think they should be using benchmades logos. That's another issue.

@@johnathan.jerusik That's the other thing. Using the Benchmade logo on the knife when it's not licensed or made by Benchmade is a copyright issue and should be addressed. Now I've actually seen sellers on AliExpress make a bugout or mini bugout knife but they put their own logo on it and admit it's a knockoff of the real thing. That level of integrity and honesty is respectable.

@@blossomingpoot044 that makes more sense. I'm curious the quality difference between the 2. My collection has changed alot. I carry a benchmade bugout pretty much everyday. After I watched the DBK videos with them using a bugout too baton through a log and have no issues, I figured it's more that fine for an EDC. I have had knifes between 20-600 dollars. And the bugout isn't too bad of a price. Especially if you buy through a place like dlttrading.com where you can gain points on your purchases.

Really? What model was it??

@@johnathan.jerusik Bugout 535CP

@@NeoWahNah not familiar with that model. Is it a custom part?

The main issue is, the scammes are using real photos. And if you message them they will say "it's real" and yes 100% true! I had no clue about the box differences and now that I do, it's very obvious. But that's also why I made the video to show every bit of evidence I could so others do t go through the same. I do sell on ebay alot and I would never personally sell a fake. I know I'm 1 vs many. But I have got non fakes off ebay too. I try to stick to legitimate sellers, but the whole point of the 2nd one was to mess with it and modify and have fun with it. I hope I answered your questions?

I'm sorry man! Did you get your money back?

@@johnathan.jerusik unfortunately I have not. I purchased it from a matco tool salesman who sells knives on his truck. I wont see him till he comes back to my work Thursday. im really hoping I can get my money back. i paid 160 dollars for it. Im beyond bummed out over it all.

I didn't think about that!

I did. Got my money back. Just wanted to make people aware.

If it works for you great! If you watch the DBK guys they actually put the bugout and a clone to the test. It was interesting the results

@@johnathan.jerusik There's not just one clone though. There are many. I picked up three today, but two are from one manufacturer and one is from another. I've seen these get tested and some are really good. And as you mentioned, so may not be so good. Not worried about it one way or another though. I paid something like $12 each so even if they're total garbage, I can just use them as junk knives to beat on.

You are contributing to people stealing intellectual property. That is not right. If I create something I should not have my ideas stolen by someone so they can make a copy or a cheap ripoff. If I write a song and someone copies it without my permission and compensation, that is a crime. The same principles apply to manufacturing .

@@chrisbynum4940 I agree with you. I don't feel it's right or safe

@@chrisbynum4940 I received all 3 recently. If you didn't know they were clones, you couldn't tell the different. However, the real ones retail around $175, and the clones cost about $12. Great deal.

Even at a lower price it is far more worth it to get a budget knife at or close to that lower price. Clones as just about trying to look as much like the original as possible. Quality is not priority for them at all and who knows what steel or other materials you are actually getting. Though a Benchmade is higher quality then a budget knife they can still be excellent quality for what you pay for as they still focus on quality and you know what you are actually getting. With companies like Civivi, QSP, Kizer and more out there I just do not see the point of ever buying a clone no matter the price

yeah but this dude got scammed the dude paid top dollar! why do you think he's so pissed off?? go find fake benchmade for 20 or 30 dollars./.. good luck, kind of defeats the purpose of going thru the headache of making a clone.. right?

They may have changed it up a bit. But this was the 2 I had.

I apologize for my ignorance. I don't quite understand your comment? Also I paid 110 or 120 usd for the "fake." The listing didn't say it was a fake or anything. It was labeled as a genuine Benchmade.

@@johnathan.jerusik A backspacer to your bugout is a good investment and the balance in the knife is much better too 😁😁

@@michaelfuxeklint4909 I actually will look into that! Probably strengths it up a lot too

It was fake. Manny markings let me know. I still long my benchmades. But yes that was a fake one.

I agree!! My house deka was amazing!!

. . . Not that I'd turn down a Benchmade. I'm just cheap.

@@IanFollett hey the deka with 20cv is only 150, where the bug out that isn't as sturdy, and not as nice of a blade is like 200 bucks. It's crazy. I actually trade my bugout for a spyderco g10 native 5 in M4

I'm really sorry to hear that. It's no fun getting a fake

@@johnathan.jerusik I'm returning it. Then reporting the seller once I get my money back. I got a used real one in the real box with seals and right foam packaging. Fuck these sellers

I apologize for the sound.

@@johnathan.jerusik It's not a sound problem, it's just show you video without sound and your voice to chose the knife :)

You know, I wasn't going to say anything because I have addressed this issue a few times I other videos. But im just going to say that's a rude comment. No one deserves getting scammed. That's why I posted this video. I have helped a few people and have gotten thank you for helping other against bad purchases. I'm sorry if the video isn't for you, but you can keep your comments to yourself please

@@johnathan.jerusik That wasn't meant as an insult to you. I just find eBay to be a hot bed of counterfeiters and scammers. They are very good disguising their deception until customers end up with some cheap knock off after having paid the retail or nearly retail price of the real item. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Benchmade def is similar to Apple in that some of your cost is the brand name itself but it really is not as much as people think. A lot of it is just about higher quality and not just that the materials themselves are better but things such as heat treatments, finishes, milling, etc. is better. Even if you go to brands that are similar in quality they are honestly close in price but lucky enough there are many good brands that sell budget knives that smash these clones in quality as they are not trying to fool they are just making good knives at a budget price.

Ok I'm not getting if your mad at me, or the video I made, or that people are making clones?

K what?

@@johnathan.jerusik K?

The reason I emphasized so much on that, is because most pictures, on ebay or other sites, it's easier to tell the box is fake and not the knife. The knifes in the pictures are not usually close up shots, where the box is sometimes easier to see, even with a more distant shot.

May I ask what do you mean by play? I only ask because I have had 3 bemchmades and no play in any of mine. But I just wondering if you mean blade play? Or lock play?

@@johnathan.jerusik wow you got lucky I'm talking about vertical blade play (the kind u can't fix) 4 of my 5 benchmades have significant play

@@tyler2260 that's crazy! Do you think it's because of the springs? Wasn't it kizer that just released a cross bar lock where you can adjust the tension. It seems like on the low tension you can just flip it open.

@@johnathan.jerusik it's not a spring issue because when I hold the axis bar forward it still has play its a quality control issue that benchmade has been struggling with. I'm so over benchmade because of the qc issues and the God awful soft heat treatments they do, they run all their stuff at like 30% of its potential

@@tyler2260 ya I go back and forth between my bugout and my TRM. The benchmade I like for at work. I use it in a machine shop. I use to have alot of knives but I sold pretty much all of them. But I can see those issues an concerns. I am no way a benchmade lover. The only thing is the weight and the lack of ergos. I love spyderco but there knives really don't fit my hands at all. My favorite by them is the native 5 but it dosent fit my hand at all. I have XL hands that like smaller knives. Been thinking about getting a WE banter. I have that it's made in China but they have amazing fit in finish.

I appreciate your criticism. I wanted to focus on the box because I haven't been able to tell in pictures if the knife is fake but you can tell the box is fake. And like I have said many times, I didn't know the knife I purchased from ebay was a fake. What I believed happened is they used real photos and sent me a fake knife. And not like stick get them off Google. I mean they took pictures of a real bugout.

The size of the ©️ next to the butterfly logo on blade is the easier way to tell in images than the box differences. The fakes are fooling a lot of people based upon the reviews on ebay. Knowingly buying a clone is no different than buying stolen merchandise even if it is only $30 bucks shipped and probably a good value....why? Because dishonest people will sell for 5X and it dilutes the brand.

Btw, I'm sorry you got taken and could happen to anyone. I hate scammers. There are many people knowingly buying the clones...I know you weren't and sorry my comment came across that way.

@allaboutroofing2 hey I get it! My whole intent was I wanted 2. One to modify and one to keep stock. I wanted to see if it was worth it. Because I actually like the bougout stock. Bit it's not perfect. But I thought I could get a better deal getting one used off ebay, that way I wouldn't feel so bad to modify it. But that's when I got scammed. I was able to send it back and get my money back. But it was a lesson. And it was something I didn't want anyone else to go through.

I get that. I don't own any Benchmade any more. Just Spyderco. The only issue I have is the clones scales break very very easily. And you don't know what the metal actually is.

Although I appreciate your honesty, and im sorry you didn't find the video appealing. I have had people thank me saying they found the video useful for them. So I'm sorry it didn't speak to you and your sausage. Maybe there's a different video on my channel that you may find appealing. Maybe I'm not the right youtuber for you. I appreciate your time in letting me know your thoughts. Take care, be safe, and have a happy 2024

@@johnathan.jerusik do you know what I like you for being honest as well and that is what I like in a person I am going to watch some more of your videos sometimes you watch people and it's the same old same old if you know what I mean you're different thank you for being honest as well thumbs up keep it going

@davidjensen4796 I try to be as honest as I can. I do this channel out of loge and fun. And also to document things that I don't see others talk about. Sometimes, I see people say something that is a negative for them is a "bad thing". I have had knives or other products that people have said were bad in a way and realized it wasn't bad it was they didn't like it. I try to be open and share my honest experience with everyone. I know I won't be here forever. And I have 4 kids. I hope that if one day these videos will help them or even my future grandchildren.

Well I'm sorry to disappoint you. Pointing out the difference between the 2 I hoped would allow other people to not waste money and get scammed. I'm sorry my video didn't meet your standards.

The bag is way different and also the "completely" generic bar code opposed to the generic one on the real one

@@leatherlegionateliers9228 that's is 100% true and a detail I forgot to point out

🤣 that's why I don't own any Benchmade anymore. If you watch my we Saakshi video I talk about that alot

Hey I have no issue with that! I was sold this under fake pictures, and that it was a "real" bugout. That was my point of the video.

But it’s not the same knife