Doom Metal Amps: GT120 VS OR120 Explained
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Intro 0:00
What Makes The OR120/GT120 Different Than Many Other Amps 1:20
What Makes The OR120/GT120 Different From Each Other 4:56
Master Volume VS Non Master Volume 7:24
Pedals Inspired By These Amps 10:00
Outro/Credits 10:28
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@Alexroberts666 2 жыл бұрын
I have a master volume OR120 - I definitely think that the master volume dial is quite limited in its usefulness - if you're somebody who gets your core tone from pedals, the master volume control is going to *really* change your tone. If you turn it down when you're not using amp gain, it makes your tone mushy, kind of like it's scooping the mids except not in a satisfying way. The master volume control is great if you want to use the amp's own gain (and I highly recommend using just a little bit of pedal overdrive to drive it - the amp gain really doesn't tend to like 'fuzz') but, honestly, although it sounds great, it's not to everybody's tastes. Especially if you do want a bit of a mid-scoop because the OR120's gain itself is *all* mids, and by taking mids away in your pedal chain (as there's no fx loop) is going to take away a lot of gnarly distortion away from the OR120. Either you learn to love the mids and you use the OR120's own distortion with the master volume in use, or you use 100% your own dirt, scoop away mids with some EQ and run the amp clean.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your first hand experience Alex!!
@zastruga 2 жыл бұрын
Sleep's -holy mountain LP 1992 had a note saying 'if you have orange amplification for sale contact sleep through earache records'
@the_trash_mane5875 2 жыл бұрын
Mike uses a fuck ton of Orange amps, he goes through them like mad.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
that is so awesome!
@DoesItDoom 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video Jason. Fun to see you revisit this topic! Loved the gain / EQ pedal stacking analogy as compared to the FAC / James EQ, really makes sense when comparing the tone of a GT120 with an OR120. Great stuff!!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve! Your demo really shows off how these amps sound!
@kennyjohnson336 2 жыл бұрын
@@FuzzlordEffects You 2 guys can't be in the same place at the same time, you'll break the Stoner/Doom multiverse
@mikekoenig6467 Жыл бұрын
I thought you 2 were the same person at different times lol
@HowlinTubes Ай бұрын
Thank you for this! You just saved me a lot of time trying to find schematics and such to understand what sets apart Orange and Matamp from other British amps of the 70s.
@alexacid1598 2 жыл бұрын
I ordered a Matamp Gt120 MV in july of 2020, 30 days later it showed up at my door and I never looked back, amazing amplifier!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
That is so awesome!
@lowqualityguitarvideos 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most unique circuits out there for sure. That FAC is a fun thing for shaping extreme tones.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Both such amazing amps!
@peterb7435 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason. Awesome vid as usual
@angrypunk666 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a heavily modded 5e3 clone, but I had no idea that the Green/Orange shared power characteristics with it! That’s really cool! Jason, thanks so much for continuing to impart your knowledge! I’ve learned a lot from you since I started following your channel! Keep crushing it! Cheers!
@russiangoose7053 2 жыл бұрын
I really love these style of videos explaining vintage amps, please do more about other popular doom amps like Sunn, Laney, hiwatt, etc. Especially comparing different amps within the same brand like Sunn model T vs 100s, etc. Thanks so much for your content it's super informative to aspiring amp builders who love heavy music like myself
@TheMiddleAgedMusician-mc6xo 2 ай бұрын
Grew up in the 80s with the metal scene of that time, but steeped in 60s and 70s hard rock. In the early 90s, I ran across a local band in central Illinois using Orange and HiWatts - Hum. Not necessarily stoner or doom, but worth checking out when you can catch one of there rare live shows these days.
@ThathousecatSHC 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, all the basic nuts and bolts and now I understand the difference and similarities. Would like to see more of these one similar amps as a series.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
let me know what amps you'd be interested in hearing about!
@dh5088 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I have a NM OR120 Matamp built reissue that I love. Great info to have on it.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
glad you liked it man!
@michaelorourke7032 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you Jason for explaining the difference in both of these amazing amps. Until I discovered Sleep in the mid 90's I had never heard of Matamp. I knew little of Orange as well until 2005 when they started showing up for sale in more abundance. Each amp has it's own voice, I have tried both and if it came down to choosing one I would not be able to. They both are incredible. I wish there was a lower watt version of the GT120, I'd buy one in a second. Steve's demo on Does it Doom really showcases both amps. If you havent seen it I highly recommend you check it out.
@sanfordsanford295 22 күн бұрын
Great breakdown
@nigelbishop8108 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the video man, really informative and definitely not too simplified for me 😁. Would love to see more of these explanations of prominent amps in the stoner/doom genres.🤘🤘
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and I'll try to do another soon. Any suggestions?
@nigelbishop8108 2 жыл бұрын
@@FuzzlordEffects Sunn, Hiwatt, Laney - whatever you can get your hands on. Even a comparison between say the OR120 and Rockerverb 100 or Thunderverb would be cool. Really interested to understand more about the different builds and how it creates their unique sounds.
@Yeti_Boop 2 жыл бұрын
I just came here to say I love the way the doom community tends to support one another and give shoutouts and links to other pages. That said, you and Steve put out quality content. Much love.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
cheers James!
@FFGG22E 10 ай бұрын
I love your videos. Good stuff.
@PooNinja 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool info Sir
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching!
@omegapumkin9702 2 жыл бұрын
I'm recording a new local band the guitars came in with an or120 and a ac30. 8 string in hand with a massive board of just fuzz pedals. Not going to lie it's sounding really good I'm surprised at the combination. But if it works
@djohnson2499 2 жыл бұрын
AC30 is an awesome amp for pedals. Guitarist in my band (more stoner than doom) uses an AC30 and it's heavy as hell, both literally and figuratively
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Damn that is a setup!
@Tsudkyk Жыл бұрын
I never considered an AC30 for heavy tones- I have always looked at that amp for it’s clean tones.
@omegapumkin9702 Жыл бұрын
@@Tsudkyk it's my go to for cleans and stoner but ever since I had them in I've been using my 8 strings on it and it just works for heavy fuzzy stuff.
@ushnicyuvnikof2748 Жыл бұрын
A30 is lovely.
@dunelanddoomroom7649 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
thanks guys!
@MichaelSmith-gd1ig Жыл бұрын
Very clear explanation. Much appreciated. I’m starting to get into these genres and I already have a 1981 JCM 800 2203. I really don’t want to get rid of it, so do you have any suggestions for getting the best doom tone from a Marshall amp with less low end?
@alexandrefamiliari4073 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video man ! Personally, I would really like more "in depth" and technical videos about circuits, parts, etc.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@RiffHarvester 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've always wondered what the difference was? Now we know!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching!
@MrBikboi Жыл бұрын
I'm rocking a madshall dsl40c. I've been tempted for a while to splurge for an orange or 15 head for my next big purchase. The tone of an orange value amp is just fantastic. I also think they're the most aesthetically pleasing amps and cabs as well.
@Ankhrea 2 жыл бұрын
Is the master volume just inserted into the circuit without changing the amp in other significant ways? It would be interesting to see if a switchable bypass could be put in to go around the master volume so you could toggle between them
@barryhoobs1 2 жыл бұрын
You're talking about the Matamp GT1. It's a little different than the GT120, but has a master volume mode, and a non master mode.
@palmmoot 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from Vermont Jason. Sunless Effects makes the Cold Lands which is a Matamp preamp pedal. There is also the Kuro T120.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to check those out!
@batshitmasterplan Жыл бұрын
Scott Holiday of Rival Sons used an OR120 when recording their LP “Pressure and Time”. Scott used to play through Rockerverbs, OR50s, and Custom Shop 50’s, but now he is using a Helix to emulate his amps and effects
@mikerauter1859 Жыл бұрын
Awesome as usual Jason! Can I ask do you think a standard JCM800 is usable for Doom Metal?
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
I think I have one in another amp shootout on the channel! Short answer yes 🙌
@parkkingery9216 2 жыл бұрын
Great info
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
cheers Park!
@parkkingery9216 2 жыл бұрын
@@FuzzlordEffects cheers!
@adamr2684 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Perfect explanation imo. We use a OR120 clone with Mater Volume made by Ted Weber speakers. Perfect amp with fuzz. TEAM HOSS!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam!!
@chickencreekproductions 2 жыл бұрын
I had the oppourtunity to buy a -73 OR120 from a friend a while ago. He had his eyes set on a Taylor acoustic, so when I explained that this beast would be better of blasting stoner riffs with me he could see the logic in selling it to me. Now he plays a beatiful acoustic, and I couldn’t be happier! I just love the crunch/rock sound it offers, and holy moly… When pushing it with a Rat/octaver it’s mindblowing goodness. Awesome amp, just awesome! Thanks for the video 👍
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
That’s so awesome that you got ahold of one!!
@Daryl2rombino 2 жыл бұрын
Any way to mod the Orange to toggle switch the order of stages so it sounds more like the Green? To perhaps have the best of both worlds on a toggle? Sorta like the changing pedal order analogy
@nickmetal131 Жыл бұрын
Over a year ago, I played through an early 70s 0R120 and fell in love with the sound. It led me to Matamp. The only problem is I talked myself into getting a GT2 instead of a GT120NMV. Don't get me wrong because the GT2 is an awesome amp, but sonically different. A week and a half ago, I ordered a GT120NMV to fix that mistake. Can't wait to make massive sounds with it!
@lance___ 10 ай бұрын
How's the new amp?
@josephwasserman4066 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. The OR120 is also great for mean twangy tones. I use a 90s OR120 on the recordings for my band ‘ta bien’. Feel free to hear the tones on bandcamp or Spotify. I mention this because it’s used in a slightly different context. I’m exclusively using the neck pickup on a nocaster in drop B. I have two 90s OR120s and an OTR120. I have two dual dark 100s as well.
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the OR120 vs the OTR120? Will check out Ta Bien thanks!
@eltipo6651 11 ай бұрын
Hey, brother. Sorry for the delayed response. I was waiting to do a proper A/B comparison, full volume. Each head into two orange 4x12s. At identical settings (in this case with the master at 10 on the OTR to essentially or almost disengage it) and the gain knob on each head slightly past noon…the OR 120 sounds more clear, articulate, and chimey. However, if I back of the gain knob about two notches on the OTR to say about 10 and a half o’clock, they sound identical! I take from this that the OTR just inherently has more preamp gain, mine at least does. Granted lots of variables to account for. (Pre amp tubes and such). That being said the OTR, as you probably deduced, can allow you to dime the gain to ten and back the master off slightly to get a saturated smoother sound, that you can’t achieve on a non master volume head. Am interesting comparison would be an OTR120 vs an Overdrive 120. Cheers brother.
@rk28984 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Maybe do a Sunn Model T vs Laney AOR video also!
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Deal!
@ampturcoguitarwerks 2 жыл бұрын
Pepers Pedals Green Pepers pedal is a matamp preamp with a treble booster as well. Both the treble booster and the matamp pre can be used independently or together. Killer pedal.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
I bet it sounds killer and thanks for watching man!
@HollisAudioLabs Жыл бұрын
Another MATAMP GT120 style pedal is the Ananashead GT73 Overdrive Matamp GT120 version. I have that one and it sounds really good into my Laney LA-Studio amp a 3 watt monster to record.
@DemonKingOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын
Cathodyne PI’s are very interesting to me. The fact that they only need one triode for the task is awesome.
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
so cool right?!?
@explodeder 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 90s reissue OR80. I’m in Portland and would love to know the difference between the originals and the 90s reissues that were built by matamp.
@djohnson2499 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've heard, nothing. They were literally pulling out old parts that had been in the shop since the 70s and just resumed putting them together
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Matamp is still a badass small custom shop putting out very well made amps! They kick ass and make many different models. The insides of them are well designed and very asthetically pleasing for any tech to see!
@explodeder 2 жыл бұрын
@@FuzzlordEffects Mine has been in the shop for about a month trying to track down an intermittent issue. Even though mine is a reissue, it's still a 30 year old amp.
@Intaminator 2 жыл бұрын
Kuro makes the T120 pedal (which even has the FAC control). I really want one.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Would like to play one someday!
@JeffBarberDigideus 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Boss Keloid on tour in the UK recently and their guitarist has a "Green" Matamp head and stack. They have a pretty unique guitar tone on the "Family The Smiling Thrush" album. go check out the video for "Gentle Clovis"
@20thcenturygames 2 жыл бұрын
What are the 4x12 cabinets you recommend vs matching these amps to torpedo IR
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Something with Fane speakers would do well for the Orange, Matamps site says Celestion V Type speakers. You can download the Fuzzlord IR sample pack and check out some of my cabs cheers!
@michaelragen1451 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Blackhawk Amplifiers’ Odin pedal that’s “Matamp” style. The bass boost on it is excellent.
@C0nnie 2 жыл бұрын
not necessarily a matamp style pedal (go fet120!,) but I hear the Wampler Ratsbane gets crazy. Love from NY
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!!!!
@JoshJones73 4 ай бұрын
Someone needs to cover the GTL series. I have a GTL140, and know little to nothing about it other than it sounds AWESOME. I say 140, as thats what it puts out when tested.
@Stpddmbfck Жыл бұрын
I‘m wondering what the different inputs on the matamp do? Nobody seems to talk about these or mention the difference. Is there any?
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
From what I understand it’s just a lo and hi gain input like a fender, so a lower impedance and less volume going into the first preamp stage.
@Stpddmbfck Жыл бұрын
@@FuzzlordEffects thanks for the reply Jason. that’s what I heard as well, which one is which though? I see people playing both inputs and hardly talk about these.
@YanomamoDoomo 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Matamp GT120MV & a '73 OR120 ... both amazing but very different amps. The OR120 has a grind that I've never heard in any otehr amp & LOVES dirt pedals. The GT120MV gets filthy on its own but loves to be boosted by a Rat or similar
@maxnorton4893 2 жыл бұрын
Matamp cleans are criminally underrated.
@internetguy1260 2 жыл бұрын
Dope
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@chriscurran1967 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jason!!! I’m a solid state guy myself, tubes sound great, don’t get me wrong. Way to expensive, way to heavy, weight wise I mean. Now a days solid state amps sound just as good, at least to me. The new Orange models are pretty awesome. Keep up the great work man!!!🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Chris! The new oranges are really good 🤘
@l5e2n9 Жыл бұрын
Lifespiral-MJR used The Orange
@jpbguitar6470 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, always love circuit talk and old amps! CSGuitars has made some more in-depth videos for a few orange amps as well that are worth checking out
@chrissteinbeck1734 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have a GT120 MV and love it. I went with that one to not piss my wife off. 🤣 Anyway, how do you think a FET120 would interact with a dirty GT120 MV?
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Good call haha! Hopefully someone will use one in a demo!
@veyuslavic2590 2 жыл бұрын
It is hard to figure which one to get....so I got both lol.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
best idea ever!
@Count_Apollyon5 2 жыл бұрын
Could these amps tighten up for Death Metal riffs ? I would say yes....Just like to get some input .
@Intaminator 2 жыл бұрын
I guess the FAC control is the built in tightness control of these amps. With an EQ pedal and a fitting drive pedal you could probably coax even more tightness out of the amp but I doubt it'd ever reach what the modern metal guitarist would consider to be a tight sound. These amps are sort of the antithesis of tight amps. Really saggy, wooly and loose.
@malcolmmckenzie5959 2 жыл бұрын
Many more famous guitarists have used these amps, but I used both a 1976 OR1120 (master vol) and a 1973 Matamp GT100 on my bands 2nd album: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJiCesxhx92wfmQ.html&ab_channel=666MrDoom
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
cheers Malcom and thanks for the link!
@IronSwan-ll5ju Жыл бұрын
When I finally get a green 120 I'm gonna make the 1 into a 4 with paint or something.
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
They can make custom faceplates upon request and matamp would likely be happy to make that happen for you!
@simonesaccheri3397 2 жыл бұрын
Kuro Custom Audio makes the T120 which is probably the closest you'll ever get to a Matamp sound in a pedal.
@c.f.pedraza4057 Жыл бұрын
How do these compare to ELECTRIC USA?
@leegollin4417 2 жыл бұрын
Bongzilla
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
such a good band!
@AleisterthemungerSTOKE 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you say the GT120 is a high gain amp of it's time? holy shit Matthias designed it for jazz guitarists to get ultra clean tones from their headroom haha i've had at least 6 different matamps over the years including a reworked slave in a green sleeve GT120 which was fundamentally the same as what sleep got in the 90s aswell as a white front 70s GT120. matamp was a holy grail amp for me to get for many years but i never got on with them fully. I always preferred Laney Klipps and supergroups. eventually i came up with my own circuit idea and built my own amps using old carlsbro transformers and modified circuits based around the carlsbro TC and 100 top amps. matamp GT120s from the 70s were not at all reliable when pushed full volume. you'd get the sound but the tubes would soon be compromised.. and i'm not saying Laneys were any more reliable either the HT voltage was absolutely limit for el34 tubes on those hence the Iommi tone. i guess thats where i realised the carlsbro amps with partridge transformers were the real deal for me at least. those old amps need a ton of work to be properly roadworthy and reliable. anyway whatever amps you play enjoy them and don't take shit too seriously.. peace out Munger.
@gabefunnychuff4592 2 жыл бұрын
Im a big fan of how Boris has used both of these amps, more so the or120 as wata has kinda been known for it now. Feedbacker is a good example of it but akuma no uta n whatnot also blended the green from what I recall but I could be wrong
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Boris is so amazing!
@halfameatballz 2 жыл бұрын
Sleep, didn't they spend they're whole recording budget on green amps and weed?
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
I bet they could with the right pedals but both companies make amps that might be better suited.
@breakfastbuddy5 Жыл бұрын
one thing thats never looked at is the power supply
@FuzzlordEffects Жыл бұрын
we can look at it on Patreon!
@RocknJazzer Жыл бұрын
Very few Orange's of the era had Partridges or fanes. Most had Parmeko + Celestions. You must be thinking hiwatts, they were the partridge/fane amps. Only some of the earliest oranges used partridges. The rest of the parts they used were not very high quality either, just average. No mustard caps like marshall and hiwatt, just basic stuff nothing special
@brentstewart59 10 ай бұрын
Where is anybody going to be able to crank these things up to full volume..? No venue will tolerate them even at half volume
@FuzzlordEffects 10 ай бұрын
Going to the wrong shows dude
@YanomamoDoomo 2 жыл бұрын
Also, you can never capture the sound of either of these amps using one of the pedals that are allegedly based on the amps ... you just cannot
@blaineparks7627 2 жыл бұрын
Just became a fan. Thank me later -> P r o m o S M!!
@heavyvibrationstudiopl3256 2 жыл бұрын
Where is the sound?Are you serious?Do you always describe how amp sound by your voice?You know what.All amps have gain control and knobs.Show the bloody sound when you talk about it.
@FuzzlordEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Let me know which amp you’d like to hear about next 😂
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