Doremy obviously you are better! :3

The third place has just 2k badge its insane

You realize that your ruining the 4wide combo chain by constantly stopping, adding a couple of pieces to the wall, and then going back and doing 3 drops, and then going back and building the wall again. That's not how it works, the drops have to be consecutive or you might as well not be doing it at all. It's like trying to cook with a pressure cooker but your constantly opening it to check the food.

@@tennohack6704 please don't act so aggressive when you don't know what you are talking about, especially when everyone pointed it out in the comments. if you check for example at 27:19, i send 2 lines with a double, but amemiya received 12 lines; that's margin time, where damage sent is increased. there is NO point in doing it consecutively because: - it doesn't send any more lines because opponent's garbage queue is already full - it empties the resources that i have, making me more vulnerable to counters. if you check 19:56, amemiya literally started to counter because i had no resources left, saying it himself. i'm just keeping as much resources as possible while sending occasional damage, that's the way to go. i think i should know that given how much i play this game, right? :)

@@Doremy Not to backpedal but I'm sorry if i came off as 'aggressive', I was annoyed but i didn't mean to sound like just another pissed off youtube comment. I've been having a bad couple of days and i guess i came on way too strongly. Your right as I (obviously) do have less experience in pvp, (i usually stick to practice as i prefer to just play endless at level one and go at my own speed) and if i was more chill about it i probably would have just asked why you did that, as apposed to asserting that it was incorrect. Sorry bout that

It do be like that

space theme is clearly top-tier

ameriya?: kirby-like happy defense guy doremy: the relentless king dedede-like attacker

Damn

Doremy: Unstoppable Force Amamiya: Immovable Object

They both break, but one breaks faster

Technically Amemiya had less badges so the playing field wasn't exactly equal

Dat Boii Well that’s why he’s the immovable object and not the unstoppable force

Hes so cute when he sings

Everyone gangsta until Ame-boy stops on reading live chat.

wait it's the funny brawlhalla man

@@davidlivingston1633 yeah lmao

Games trash lmaooo

Try out tetris, have some break from osu :D

Giant nonsensible t spin structure ftw

gotta love fancy tspins ed one day you will do this. ...maybe. :')

@@Doremy You have a tutorial on how to do it?? I know T-Spin doubles but that's about it🤷

* wait a fockin minute*

and then Doremy goes the same things too damn that kinda great. letting the enemy waste their time blasting and wasting while the other just calming doing that since the stack are limited. the garbage I mean

I like the break up strategy but I think extra garbage past the limit should shorten the timer for the garbage in progress. Doremy sent a lot of lines that contributed no advantage which seems wrong from a competitive standpoint. but then again there are probably ~100 players in the world who would ever find themselves in this situation so the dev team probably doesn't care.

you can counter this by also stalling

@@j03man44 That's a common flaw in many puzzle games. Devs simply didn't think players could send that many garbage in a very short time.

@@SanNico They did, tetris pvp isn't new. It's just how it has to be played at high level play or else doremy and amemiya would be able to kill everyone in the game not at their level in minutes because they can send garbage so much faster than everyone.

@@j03man44 Extra garbage past the limit shortening the timer wouldn't help. The garbage timer continually gets shorter and shorter as the game progresses. The strat that amemiya is using is just stalling each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn for as long as possible, because garbage only spawns once the timer has run down all the way and you make a drop that doesn't clear a line. He's trying to clear a single line with each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn and he wants to do it slowly so that doremy wastes all his material comboing and sending garbage that won't make a difference.

Nah. There isn't any person obviously better

Your mom vs your mom

Its like, your brother vs your other brother

Except they both are good

This is when your mom and dad are both just as good.

Yeah honestly this is on the game designers for allowing this strategy to work

@@Jesin00 4wide is genuinely as broken (in margin time, each time doremy sends anything it's a whopping 12 lines) so it's the ultimate defensive strat against the ultimate offensive strat.

KimonoA hes justifying it, not saying its bad

I think it's balanced. 4-wide ren style is obviously broken. So it need a equally broken strategy to be countered.

It's just annoying cuz I wanna watch both sides frantically place pieces all match 😂

Doremy: ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA Amemiya: Chotto matte, Hakuna Matata

Steveluvscows lolll

doremy attacks a lot while amemiya attacks less, but does more powerful strikes.

eyyyyyy

I'm sure it can sometimes be pretty quick.

Sorry I don't play Tetris but how does that work?

@@dlarewolfe2273 same

higher badge power leads to higher amount of lines sent or garbage lines cleared

@@melodywawichi802 if it's bought, isnt that pay to win? Or how do u get badge power?

@@squareball7017 you steal the badge power out of the enemies you KO. (let's say you defeat an enemy with 100% badge power, that 100% badge power is yours)

Yeah the strategic differences of a direct 1v1 are really interesting

Squsodu very late reply, but amemiya was looking at doremy's screen (the tiny card-like screen on the right or left you see when you play the game). This is proven by amemiya always counter attacking whenever he notices that doremy no longer has a 4wide stack. Edit: 19:57 this is a good example

Jfan Do you think Doremy was employing a similar strategy?

@@Aflay1 in the video with only Doremy's game Amemiya's window is nearly completly blocked, only the the three or four lowest lines are visible.

There is a saying about the players optimizing all the fun out of a game.

@@seol3075 no one gives a fuck

Forexum Yea ok Luigi go back to your Mansion

@@forex2893 Someone's having a bad mood

Jahacob yeah that’s been my experience too. I have no idea how to deal with the people that send garbage none stop.

This has as much energy as a girl's "Ill be ready in 5 minutes"

nah my family are leaving me alone in home while they are going to shopping so I can play alone and feel free

that's because the dmg that doremy can send is capped. so it's a viable survival strategy since it renders whatever lines doremy sent null after the cap is reached.

^^^

imo it should be more like a logarithmic dropoff instead of a hard cap

@@Jesin00 i would not like my garbage counter to have 2 layers in it and it would make badges pointless when bursting (4-wide).

the cap is there to nerf 4 wide against t-spin setups, especially centre 4 wides. If you look at older puyo tetris videos, centre 4 wide is really ridiculously broken to the point that the only other way to defend against one is another 4 wide. yeah i went to watch wumbo vs amemiya.

I always wondered why Wumbo gets shat on for 4wide but not Amemiya

it was funny because he wasn't able to rotate it back it had no space rip

Because Wumbo uses it excessively, with no real purpose. Literally against everybody. Amemiya is of course capable of doing that as well, but he has a reason, being that it’s very good defensively when you add stalling, as he was down on badges in the 1v1. Just a Tetris amateur here, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I think

@@kindanooby2988 nah you're good i think Another fellow tetris amateur, well I'm kinda no longer an amateur i can play fast and t spin but still

Its not actually because wumbo uses it excessively, hes kind of built a reputation for himself as a 4 wider, in his older videos. Hes also kinda hated so people just hate on him for his 4 wide for a different reason than excessive usage.

That's what i keep telling my girlfriend: "I could've lasted longer, but i missdropped"

Misdrops do kill

Well if a tetris game is 35 minutes it will happen evetually

@@KraggHC xD

Yup another 30 min lol

yet the community called wumbo is the god lol

Thanks

s-spin triple setup except theres a hole

It’s just a s spin triple, doremy does them a lot in ne of his vids

It is possible

An oldie, but a goodie

The fact that Tetris 99 only allows 12 lines of damage to be received at one time. Therefore, no matter how many lines a player sends, the receiver can only have a max of 12 received lines.

the cooking damage caps at 12, though this is only a tetris 99 thing. in other tetris games it would stack

only 12 lines of garbage can be queued to be dumped into an opponent's play area. any excess garbage lines are just fed to a void at that point. each instance of garbage sent has a small delay before it can be added to their board. Once the delay has expired, the next piece they place that fails to clear a line is when the glowing section is added.

Additionally, and this is a huge piece of why it works, queued garbage will not enter your screen following a piece drop where you cleared a line. You need to be able to set up lines consistently for this to work.

草

Kuso?

I felt this on a personal level

@Alan Jordy it still is the equivalent of "fuck" in Japanese. It's a cultural difference in a sense.

damn it?

I remember in Tetris Ultimate, in competitive matches (AI or PVP) after a certain limit incoming garbage becomes permanent (a full line with no gaps and doesn't clear). I actually sort of hated it, but on the other hand I understand the benefit to having a hard time limit on some formats.

@@Stratelier I wouldn't want the additional garbage to be unclearable, that way with enough skill a player could use that garbage as ammunition or they could stall long enough for their opponent to become overwhelmed by the additional lines.

The percentages pretty much can mean who Is at an advantage and who is at a disadvantage.

It only looks so broken IMO because amemiya does it so well. The thing with long drawn out stalling is you have to make near perfect use out of every one of your pieces. If you make one wrong move, you will die.

Koishi well put. It’s a lot harder than he makes it look. It looks lame and cheap because Amemiya is just so good and consistent at the game, but if it was easy then everyone would be able to do what he does.

Tbh, I watched the whole video just to see amemiya stalling. It's does not seem lame or broken for me because only the best players in the world can pull it off like that. I think it is far more impressive to watch someone stalling like that, than the usual tetris99 gameplay.

I welcome Mark to try what Amemiya is doing if it's so easy. It's incredibly difficult and still requires you to maximize every piece. Hence why Amemiya dies after he misdrops at the end.

@@tullydx It can be both skill intensive and lame at the same time.

But it is thanks to the garbage block queue apparently having a cap.

Imagine if it didn't have a cap. If everyone teamed up on the same guy (which happens frequently) they'd be out of the game no question. Just stack with garbage and change target and they're screwed

@@ite547 if you got ganked, you can target on attacker lol. The more people target you, the bigger the damage you'll deal.

@@anewfuture if you remove cap then 4w will just bury the opponent to death. there isn't any real solution without breaking the game itself, this is as neutral as we can get

@@Doremy one solution could be after some time (after 10 min or more ) you enter into a death match where when you do a line but the opponent has full already, it's increases length of the line that will spawn on him. actually, it's not choking me that's this is capped but it's shocking that's on the late game because of this cap he has only 1 or 2 lines to eliminate each time

Love the name.

I wouldn't be able to bear that pressure Not for even for a single minute

with how i play tetris 99, i'd be placing pieces as fast as possible, no stalling... usually what gets me killed everytime.

The only reason why dormy would've lost was too many missdrops, or internet issues, or hunger

@@R8Spike "Or hunger" Yeah, I can totally see them endure hunger for at least 36 hours before one of them gives up

I don't know about a neural network, though probably with enough data, but there's zetris that can switch between tetrises, t-spins, 4-wide, and all clears though not stalling. I believe zetris was made with purely algorithms.

ぷよテトで戦ってるよ(　˙-˙　)それとも今以上に戦って欲しいってことかな？

つちたん ぷよテトやってるけど住んでるところ遠いから多少ラグがあったりして公平ではないからってことでは？

@@user-dt3oe6vq5k その通り　そういう事です

@@user-lx8pu7cj2o そゆことでしたか！ 理解力なくてすみません 全力の2人見てみたい(　˙-˙　)

late response, but he wasnt memeing: if amemiya didnt stall that much, he wouldve gotten instantly steamrolled by the badge difference. he didnt have very much of a choice there. matter of fact, you can tell he took the match deadly seriously because he stopped humming at some point LOL

Doremyさんフランスだからフランス語な気がする...

@@user-qn1nl3uo7n そうなのね笑 学が無くて分かんなかったわ笑

いや英語ぞ？

Thanks

I dont play tetris 99 but the general idea is, as the game (timer) progresses, the time you have to maneuver the pieces and place them shortens. However, by abusing a game mechanic it allows you to stay on one piece longer and stall the piece from dropping. If we look at Doremy's screen, you can see a relentless attack, if Amemiya tried to play a similar style game, then he would get out damage (?) by the badge difference. From what i can see. Amemiya began using the flips back and forth to stall the game and limit the amount of attacks from Doremy (i'm not sure what the maximum attack is as i dont play this version) because of the badge difference (giving Doremy an advantage on offense). By carefully clearing lines, Amemiya can reset the blocks from attacking him as well as continuing to limit the attacks from Doremy. There is also a slight chance that Doremy can make a mistake that leads to a loss as well. If you watched till the end, Amemiya made a mistake which led to the attack blocks going through and the immediately another set of attack blocks (whatever the max is because of the relentless attacks) which led to him losing.

@@ErcPeace thanks for the explanation! I see why people find it annoying, but I guess it's just the comeback mechanic

Looks like a douchy playstyle lol

Margin time in T99 makes your attacks send more late game (past 10 minutes I believe) but they only still cancel the displayed amount of lines

ohhhh right thanks

It’s the badges

I've been in a couple hour long Tetrinet matches, extremely funny. Tetrinet has these power up blocks that give different effects ON TOP OF the standard garbage combos, like block(q)uake reshuffles the entire board, (c)lear wipes out a single line somewhere, (r)andom just removes 3 or so blocks from different spots, and imo the nastiest b(o)mb causes *all o blocks on the other field to explode* leaving 9 square gaps and the "shrapnel" pieces floating in midair. If you try to avoid it by playing high, the unused shrapnel are converted into garbage lines. Anyway in very early versions of the game it was possible for glitch powerups to get "stuck" after the 11th minute and the same block would ALWAYS spawn at that area. Had that happen with quakes a few times. What made them last so long is a quake _isn't ALWAYS negative_ it can sometimes leave you with perfect T-spin setups which is what kept happening. Entertaining as hell game, and so hectic 😂