The fact that you can accidentally nuke all reality from a paradox in that game is hilarious, in a way; put an end to ALL order vs. chaos fights, the hard way!

This actually got me thinking, I submitted some bug reports way way back in the day and going back to check there was a request from Thomas to send him an email so he can add me to the thank you list, which I guess I never did. Oh well. :D

Yes he did, like an absolute champion.

DO ITTTTTTTTTTTT

@@Sarcorco Can you do it now?

That's just your meds bro. Please quaff your potion of mental stability.

@@un7n0wing85 pfft, i just eat bugs and then drink potions of exchange until i get 99 Wi. Good luck to anyone confusing me through that, with an additional bouns of diameter 19 fireballs.

@@Self-replicating_whatnot You sound like post-credit scene of this video :)

Tis a shame your placebo was spoiled, I suppose

For sure, like somehow it made me nostalgic lmao

mood though

unexpected.

Thank goodness Dwarf Fortress had the foresight of calling its genre a "Colony Simulation" so we didn't end up in a world where Factorio, Rimworld, and Frostpunk being called "Dwarf-like"

Yep, everyone settled on what characters to represent most things early on, and mostly stuck to it forever.

More like a painting of Sampsa obliterating a beggar and a story of how it was a major step in his ascention. Inspiring for many generations.

Don't worry, the first time I played the original Rogue, I was stuck on the first floor because I couldn't figure out how to descend a stair.

Oh not just quests, but hidden interactions, and very in depth mechanics behind several actions. but yeah quests are very important in this game. XD

Nostalgia increases immensely

Ok is a roguelike and roguelite the same thing or what

There is a 3dbgame based off of this game it was fun. Played it on ps4

You can post videos of any game. Your exploring and nerdy approach to games is what makes your content so good. I love your factorio videos, but I hope you don't get stuck in a mindset where you feel like you HAVE to make factorio content. You don't, you just have to do your thing with any game (or even you ranting about a non-game topic would be interesting). Much love.

​@@Markm8 Roguelike is basically when you die it's over, you get nothing, you start from blank in next game Roguelite you can bring some certain perk into the next game, like gear and some upgrades, depending on the game, but the rest like stat and level will reset just like roguelike. Which is also the reason why it's "lite". Less punishment for failure.

just left the same comment lol

I mean if you haven't played ASCII art games I can see why it's hard to understand stuff, but yeah, when you only got 200 ish symbols to use as art, and more often than that a lot less in reality... Creatively using random ascii characters is a skill. When you only have 94+(blankspace) symbols to use, you have to get creative.

"You get used to it. I don't even see the code. All I see is Ankheg, Balor, Ancient Red Dragon..."

How's the progress so far?

As a person who played this game over 20 years, I never really ever beat it in the first 9 years, cause once I learned of the Ultra endings about 2-3 years into playing, that is all I ever went for really. RNG was not kind to me. But I did I think at least do one closing run at the year or two before STEAM release of the game, and one ultra ending Lawful (that I got to the last boss at least if I remember correctly) dont know if I beat him, before the game was released on STEAM that is, though on both runs I did do a save scum to keep the characters alive even after death deletes the saves. oh the days of save scumming by hiding a copy of the save in another folder, helped with experimenting with stuff in the game. Sometimes his anti cheat stuff would detect this I think, so I would have to stop using that save eventually. Yes he had a program for that in the game, you could even trigger it by accident......really sad days on those times. Alas more sadly I would forget the game for a few weeks and forget what I was doing on the characters so Id just play another, or get such bad RNG, that I would just start over another character. Really only won those two times, as I wrote down on a note pad all the places to remember, and stuff I was doing/character hidden features with a plan already in place on what to do with those characters to get the endings I did. Now with the steam release, I am not so obsessive, I just pick what type of game I want, reload-able or classic? two Ultra endings on Reload-able (no not the chaos one thats way too much work), one Ultra on classic rogue-like A few gate closing on Reload-able, but as Reloadable is NOT Achievement unlocking, I sadly keep going for ultra endings only on my harder difficulty runs. I just love that challenge too much.

youre missing out you should start playing isaac NOW

I personally prefer Roguelites over Roguelikes. The difference being that Roguelites have some kind of progression that is persistent outside of your character

@@erfaniom9576 I’ve tried, they just don’t click with me. I have enjoyed Risk of Rain 2 though.

​@@Spiker985StudiosIsn't that all Roguelikes though? Like, even Binding of Isaac had progression through unlocks across many runs

@MiroredImage i wouldn't say so, no. I consider any game a roguelite if it has random elements and lets you keep items/buffs between runs. In a traditional roguelike, the only thing you keep through play is knowledge

OH BOY! 3 A.M.!

Yippie !

Yes

5 am but sill worth it

I have a hotel concierge call me every time Dosh drops one

I'm trying to do something like this. I've got player motion, walls, and half of a combat system. But I've only been working on it for maybe 4 weeks, for a couple hours at a time on the weekends. But I could see that if you keep doing something like that for a year or two, adding more mechanics and gameplay elements, it could snowball pretty hugely. This video inspired me to start working on a little bit again.

If you need a game tester, I'm happy to volunteer!

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I remember the game but I could never ever remember what the hell it was called. So it just rested in some part of my brain of 'games I remember playing as a kid but don't remember the name'

Yes! It was perhaps the first game I played on PC, so many good memories.

I loved that game as well as a kid

@@PrinceSilvermane The casual showcase and name drop kinda blew my mind. I think I remembered it a few years ago and tried to figure out what it was, but I couldn't and then, boom, here it is on this random video I clicked because it had "roguelike" in the title and I couldn't remember if I knew what ADOM was. (It turns out I didn't, and the game I was thinking of was TOME.)

I remember getting some sort of freeware version of Castle of the WInds when I was a kid, it stopped you from getting past a certain point. Then, a while after that, finding Castle of the Winds 2 (or at least that's what the disk called it) which had the main part of the game. My siblings and I usually just called it 'Zoom', because we didn't know any better than to facemash everything ever. It was only much, much later that I found out just how many things they directly took from D&D (...which reminds me that another fantasy freeware/demo game I played when I was a kid did that, Exile)

Yeah, the corruption system and many of the corruptions in general are 100% ADOM, though I seem to recall in an interview that ADOM got inspiration for the corruption system from Warhammer tabletops.

Yeah, but as a mechanic it's unique, the warhammer corruption stuff is all fluff

@@DoshDoshington Looking at ADOM's ChAoS faction, it's definitely Warhammer inspired; there's Chaos-themed monsters of all kinds, and dying from too many corruptions in that game basically makes you a Chaos Spawn.

Besides all the methods of dying I recognized, All of the herb names (Stomafilia, Spenseweed, Morgia, Mareilon) are in Elona as well.

All the world's a reference. Take the whole "you were eaten by a Grue" thing in ADOM, that was stolen from Zork, who stole it from the "Dying Earth" series. We must keep the cycle of pillaging alive.

That's hilarious

Oh man POWDER, that was a roguelike built to play on the gameboy. I played it on a hacked Wii first. It's a good one.

I remember playing POWDER on a gba emulator on my phone

I played POWDER as homebrew on my DS! Great game that proved roguelikes don't need to sacrifice depth to be user-friendly (POWDER being perfectly playable with simply a dpad and 6 buttons).

​@@lime148powder was a perfect game for a bus ride, each session usually lasted me the distance between home and school

That cave of steel might have been inspired by the very old 1st or 2nd edition D&D dungeon expedition to barrier peaks where you investigate a spaceship and doodads like floppy disks and keycards from the perspective of a fantasy party. Just maybe. Nerd circles were much smaller back in the day.

It seems to me that Noita would be every thing Dosh talk about in the video (exept the ASCII caracters) but he must have heard of it so much i don't think he wants to play it. If there is a chance however I would also be down for it 1000% !

Dosh focuses on making videos on obscure & lesser known games iirc so he probably won't get around to Noita since it has a big following these days, but he's talked about it briefly in the La Mulana video and one other I forgot the name of.

noita is... very much a special niche.

@@CongaYT I think he mentioned Noita in the TowerClimb video as well

Noita is one of the greatest games ever made and I love it to death.

Glad to see Shattered Pixel Dungeon mentioned! I've never played a proper roguelike besides it, and yet it engrossed me enough to achieve the secret hidden ending with some absurd exploitation of game mechanics that I learned on my own. It was the first game that gave me that rogue like opportunity that actually felt like I could tackle it, and actually felt like the power gaming achievement that rogue like veterans seek. I highly recommend it for anyone who wants to play rogue likes, but feels like the classics are too daunting.

Oh I love pixel dungeon! It's the first traditional roguelike I ever played, so when I later discovered nethack, things made a lot more sense for why Pixel dungeon felt like nothing I'd ever played before. I just wish I was good at any of them.

@@nolankanski9116 , Nethack yes, I personally played pathos nethack, and starting off with pixel dungeon, pathos was like quite a lot more chaotic is the right word I think.

SPD is probably the best-in-class gateway drug to things like ADOM or NetHack

Golden Krone Hotel is another modern trad roguelike that's accessible enough to be fun to a newbie but still deep enough to be interesting. It and shattered pixel are the only roguelikes i've ever really gotten into, but i'll take the plunge with qud or something one of these days.

That's so cute! What a wholesome nerd desiring social interaction. Thank you for blessing me with this information

I sent him a post card back in the day.

I mean, he mentioned Cogmind. And honestly there's like a 0.3% chance he hasn't already played it.

You mean the game he directly mentioned? Yeah, I bet he’s heard of it.

Scrolled way too far to find a reference to cogmind, it's really beautiful and a new fresh of rogue like

directly inspired by Nethack, if I remember correctly!

yeahh!!! barony rocks 💙💙💙💙💙💙

Was my first roguelike when i was like 9. Quickly switched to nethack then cataclysm.

That's...not exactly making it better.

@@Nycoorias I'm not defending the game design or anything, I'm just saying that a lot of tabletop RPGs had the same problem. I personally find the coincidence endearing, but still acknowledge it as a fault.

i don't think i'll ever understand why its a problem, though. its one of many things where you're supposed to learn what's best or most optimal through actual experimentation; these games wouldn't be as fun (imo) if all options were correct options. a large part of the fun i think is that there absolutely are wrong choices to everything, and it just makes sense for that to apply to character creation as well for more advanced players who already know the most optimal ways to play, intentionally choosing suboptimal abilities can be an interesting roleplay choice or just a fun way of challenging yourself even further as a final point, though i've never played ADOM specifically, some of the skills he listed seemed specifically made to help out newer players learn certain mechanics, rather than to actually be used by experienced players

@@nibbletrinnal2289 I don't have a problem with suboptimal choices existing in games in and of itself, it's mostly the issue that it can lead to homogeneity if there is one optimized build that stands above all others. There is a big difference between wrong choices being slightly worse vs a fraction of the power of an optimized build. When I played Pathfinder with mostly new players I get a diverse and interesting party that struggles with basic combat. Not because lack of tactics, but because they didn't optimize character creation. With a (combat focused) experienced group it's always the same few builds repeated with minor variations. Some classes would never see gameplay because they were bad. I do look back on it fondly as it as part of the flawed 3.5/Pathfinder system, but I do not think it is good game design in general.

@@rokushou that's a good point actually, my earlier point forgot to take into account that players will almost always optimise all fun out of a game if given the chance

Funny enough, unless I really want some Lawful boost, I will save the corpse and use a wish later to get another cute puppy.....yes you heard me, If I already have a amulet of life saving, and a corruption curing Staff, I will wish for a new cute puppy to make that girl happy. Your welcome little girl......so many wishes used on that.

though i'm not entirely sure why that placement of (semi)colon keys is a problem, you could always just go into your system settings and add a different keyboard layout that you can just switch to when playing these games

@@nibbletrinnal2289 Correct, but now I have to memorize an entire new keyboard layout and internalize it because aside from the standard letters and numbers, every key is in a different place and the markings are there to help me with Icelandic. It's problematic because a keybind like ;s will become ;S which may or may not work depending on the game. Or I have to let go of shift and then it might become ;,s which, again, may or may not work depending on the game.

keybinds should be on the same key irregardless of layout if they are implemented properly, but devs still get it wrong quite often unfortunately

DF's complexity is highly overstated. Then again, maybe I'm just one of the ones who knows, but it's not that complicated to dig a hole, grow plump helmets, and then make booze out of them. It can be a bit complex if you're trying to make a complex military squad instead of just relying on traps or drawbridge atom smashers.

​DF's complexity comes more so from learning how to handle the dwarves than from the other mechanics.

DF ins overly complex, and has never been. The only mechanical challange is handling stress, and thats mostly just bugs anyway. What the game is, is open. You are free to do a lot of dumb shit you have no reason to, vesifes your own autism, and that can get quiet tricky to pull off. Clear glass palaces in hell and all that.

Same here, glad I'm not alone

I've used vi (vim) for decades, and two weeks ago a coworker showed me a command I didn't know about. Never stop learning! 😅

if you get your channel stuck in a specific niche its like building a new channel when u try to branch out

It also grinds my gears when people call games roguelikes that aren't roguelikes just because they have one quality that can be found in roguelike games such as randomization/procgen. I think by the most stringent definition it at least has to be turn based and have permadeath with no meta progression system. It especially annoys me when games that literally reward you for dying are called roguelikes.

The xore emllements of Anngband and rogue were the turn based combat, procgen maps and rpg progression. I would argue CRPGs like Diablo or PoE, and turn based tactics games like XCom or Into the Breach are closer to them in spirit than the arcade action games like binding of isaac or risk of rain that people have come to call roguelike. But by strict definition, the genre is almost dead. The only no open source project I can think of that qualifies is swortld of the stars the pit.

@@egoalter1276 Surely Caves of Qud qualifies?

@@kallemort Fair. Theres also quasimorph and cogmind.

Ha, it's amazing to me that I've inspired someone to play ADOM in 2024

@@DoshDoshington shit he even plays it in ascii too, i can't even comprehend what the hell is happening on screen every time he shows me it like "why is that letter following you" "Oh he's a guy who's been cursed so if I bring him to this priest I will learn healing" "ah.... I see..." "Dosh did it in the video" "ooooh yeah I remember now" thank you for the free content

Then may I recommend my recent video on Cogmind as well

@@DoshDoshington Already watched it! Also watched your video on Marrow. Love your content, subscribed!