I like that quote

Sry for almost a year later

Hey that's a good one

but take her friend to the cloak room

I don't know about you but I took girls to dances, not the other way around. So...I don't know where I am.

100% agreed

Yup. I think that the Bills really didn't want Flutie to succeed and wanted to go...."see he is too small". The only thing they did by bringing in Johnson was kiss their chance at a Super Bowl championship goodbye!

I am Canadian, so I had the privilege of watching Flutie play every week for years in the CFL. It was great. When he went to the Bills, we all had a very strong feeling that his new coaching staff wouldn't give him a fair shake. There has never been a player that was forced to prove himself over and over again. It was if all of his past achievements were viewed as freak occurrences and that he wouldn't be able to pull them off again. But nope, Flutie kept wowing the fans. Dude was the man. He showed that having a brain was the most important aspect of being a good fuuuseball player.

The Bills didn't deserve what happened! The owner not the coach or team made that stupid decision.

@@SteveDronzewski The owner is a part of the team.

Manziel reminded me more of Flutie than Wilson. They were like watching created players. Wilson’s exciting to watch of course but Flutie and Manziel had a certain franticness and unpredictability to their playing styles that were really hard to believe. Houdinis on the football field.

Yes .

4DhumanInstrumentality Manziel wasn’t special, most somewhat mobile qbs could’ve done what he did. All he did was throw jump balls to Evans. Evans was the true miracle worker

Doug flutie walked so Russell Wilson could run

*won

Hindsight. God. Damn. His. Idiot. Move.

Wade is an idiot. He should have never sent in Christie to kick with so much time left on the clock. A real head coach would have made sure that field goal was the final play of the game.

Wade's biggest fault is he's a *yes man* Why Jerry Jones hired him after Bill Parcells

Yes he would have and I think ? Gone the whole way and Super Bowl Victory.

Yes he would have he had what Johnson did not . Courage .

His sack numbers are really amazing, it’s really telling that QBs that were probably worse than him came in and got sacked way less than he did, a QB who loses yardage more than gains is not a good QB, at all

Johnson was accurately diagnosed with "Hangontotheballtolongatitis"

Well said 🤣🤣

hahaha

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kiLLjoy24CALI gay

😂 that made me snort-laugh

Oh shut up with that cheesy ass line.

It's not the size of the dog in a fight... it's the size of the interior O-line making passing lanes for the undersized QB. Learned that from Drew Brees! (The pun was excellent, though...)

@@RonJohn63 yes sir bro finally a comment respecting linemen respect to you

17 years worth of it and it killed all of us fans

They couldn’t live with the fact that they were wrong about Flutie and that they paid that tall bum a lot of money

@@jamessanders145 What if.......... Brady is gone but got Cam.... Yikes!!

@@koichinishi9075 I'm not worried. He still doesn't have any offensive weapons to work with.

No you can’t say that. Both quarterbacks were great.

He was MAGIC!!!!!

Flutie was 4-2 vs Miami in his career, but his rating was just 76.4.

@@alwillk Combine that with the number of sacks that Johnson suffered and I wonder if Flutie's mobility was just what a bad offensive line needed from a QB. A bad offensive line might have caused Flutie's mediocre QB rating.

@Dan Thomas Best part is that Flutie handled the entire situation with nothing but class, just as he did for his entire career. That Music City Miracle would have called back nowadays thanks to instant replay and the coaches challenge.

Similar to not running with Beast Mode in the Súper Bowl

Classic

@@blacklabelholsters1635 I watched it live and I could have swore the booth reviewed it and the play stood.

@@VOD713 The funny thing is statistically giving it to beast mode was the wrong play as he was terrible on converting in the red zone for whatever reason. That being said, they had a timeout i believe and absolutely should have given him the ball. He was having an amazing game on a career year and it was the superbowl, how do you not trust him, statistics be damned

NFL is political , not a true game , like minor league ( CFL)

Killian - @aykillian lol because they saw one good meaningless game

starlord he played the whole season and played later he has his own football life

Ralph Wilson was in the beginning stages of senility... Buffalo had a top three defense that year and he cost us possibly a Super Bowl win

Flutie whenever he's been given a chance to start has always performed. A good QB is a good QB. Same idiot NFL minds that drafted Tom Brady at #199 because he had a slow 40 yard dash time.

As a lifetime Argos fan, my fave QB has always been Doug. So happy to watch him with the Bills, mainly because I knew he wasn't playing against my Argos...

His brother, Darren, did him and his Stamp's in, IN the 1994 Western Final in a snowstorm, WHAT A GAME...2, Magic Fluties???!!!!!

Woah there buddy slow down

Don Mcdonald he Would’ve been Russell Wilson

It’s about playmaking. In the moment decision making and execution. Doug was excellent.

Drew Brees

I agree. But Flutie will just have to be content with the two other Hall of Fames he's in.

Bingo! Great comment!

,fits perfectly with the biblical story of Saul he was,picked as the king beacuse if his height and appearance. GOD CHOSE DAVID NOT A MAN OF HEIGHT BUT CHOSEN BUy God

As a die hard bills fan the organization deserved it.

Yeah, CRAZY, because of his SIZE, he's GOTTA be better...

Just like Tebow. Tebow wins. Is that the point of playing football? To win?

djpooky the bills

There was Flutie mania with the fans in every city he played in. I've never seen a more enjoyable quarterback to watch him play. Magic.

I LOVED his debut against San Diego!!!!!!!!

@@zachpaymyloan9270 I think that anger should fall on bills management not flutie, the dumb decisions here led to 20 years of futility

Why do you think Rocky Balboa won the title after losing twice to Creed and Clubbe? It's because he had heart!

He had a career 76.3 rating. Pretty mediocre.

​@@alwillk blah blah blah Get out moron.

what do you expect--Ralph Wilson was demented--and had been for years--after the Bills made the playoffs in both 1980-1981 he lets Chuck Knox go to Seattle because he wouldn't renegotiate his contract---complete useless owner

Neil Joseph this will probably happen again with Romo being worked in for the playoffs at some point.

david graham Hopefully the Pegula's will do a much better job.

Neil Joseph the worst ... absolutely and it will carry with them for many more years. playoffs in 2060

It wasn’t Ralph it was the manager

sequoia1171 for sure. I'm still bitter over that

SRVstiger still stings to this day

what do you expect when your team's owner (Ralph Wilson) is a demented moron who didn't have a clue how to run a team

david graham I'm pretty sure it was the general manager, not Ralph.

Wade Philips has stated in interviews that it was Wilson who pressured him to make the switch--Wilson was responsible--why would you insert Johnson into a playoff game after Flutie had been far and away more consistent---Wilson made the change based on the season finale against Indianapolis where Johnson had one of the very few games he played adequately--and even then it was a meaningless game anyway

Implying a Flutie curse?... Or just really crappy weather keeping top players away. Its a toss up :-)

its not karma. its HORRIBLE ownership and you still have it. Rex AND Rob? lmfao

Rex and Rob aren't owners dumbass. But I'm not going to argue the terrible weather comment. The Blizzard of 2014 and 77 says your right.

I think I know what Chuck meant. Bringing in Rex and Rob was a bad move by ownership. Time will tell, but nobody I know thought that was a good idea in the least.

Pegula messed up the Sabres too when he first bought them by keeping that useless duo of Ruff and Regere--only now is the team rebuilding---the Bills will be the same-no playoff game in 2016 means the Ryan brothers (and hopefully that moron Doug Whaley too) will be gone

I’m hopin I grow taller im sophomore quarterback right now at 5”10 170 15 years old and people tell me to switch to running back while I can because I’ll never play a snap of varsity football at quarterback, I’m currently on JV right now and next year I’ll be competing against a 6”2 190 quarterback that is the talk of the town and is ranked in top 25 in his class of 2024 I’m 1 year older but he’s really supposed to be a junior or senior cause I played youth football with him and he was older than me and the higher divisions

He’s on varsity right now as a “freshman”

@American Muscle thanks man preciate it 🙏🏽 I’ll just worry about me and my grind

@Griff Benoit I was born in 2005 and he was born in 2003 or 2004 but held himself back like two or 3 years so in the years we graduate my year comes before his because he held himself back to play against younger guys, I graduate 2023 and he graduates 2024 when he was actually supposed to either graduate 2021 or 2022

they said the same thing about mike tyson who is also 5'10"

Well look what Jerry does in Dallas ? I pay the money I get my way .

I really thought I think we all really thought mr. Wilson stayed of the way

@@Davidjon1946 He was like all the owners they think because they are rich they know better .

Wade was nothing but a company man throughout his coaching career

@@michaelmarshall1713 that's why Kraft is a great owner the dude just let's the coaches do there thing

Damn this a nice quote. Gonna steal it.

Except in Buffalo at the time. It's like benching Aaron Rodgers for Joe Flacco!

@Harry Engel Hey you're absolutely right.

Amen

Yeah, ESPECIALLY with all these QBs making gangbusters amount of cash. Even veterans like Brady and Brees are making bank. If Buffalo is smart (which isn't likely because Rex Ryan sucks) they'll pay Tyrod.

Well, we did it. What a damn mistake that was

WeThePeople come on man, we're the bills, we do the stupidest things

Ever heard of Alex Smith lol

Rob Ryan is an idiot I remember when the Saints hired him I said how shitty he was and that pissed all the Saints fans off but he lives in his dads and even brothers shadow.

Also it was a forward lateral....!!!! Which would have given flutie another game... You can see the ball tips tossed fwd as t least a yd...

Jeff Garcia

SO competitive and EXCITING...No wonder he got a breakfast cereal named after him, oh, have you ever seen, Everybody Loves Raymond, they had his cereal on their fridge for 3 seasons or so, NOT, the same box, or, it COULD have been a collectible???!!!!!

In the NFL? 76.3 rating. College and CFL, but they are different leagues.

@@SpeedRacerXM5 No it was not a forward lateral. I wasn't rooting for the Titans. They replayed that over and over and it was obvious it was legit. Close but legit. The reason it looks like it may be a forward lateral is because of the camera angle and where the receiver's body was when he caught it.

Road House damn

you cursed them good job dude

Well, they are in the playoffs now playing in January 2018

Close. It took 17 years to make it again.

Santiago MURILLO Gay

Pretty pathetic. You must be a horrible attorney.

Too important to consider being a walk on? No you just weren’t good enough and didn’t love football enough. You’re a fake man.

your a piece of trash

@@kingslayer6406 No, he isn't. Hating on another man will only increase the hate in your life.

Actually, experts would probably be able to easily measure Doug's heart, its height width and size for starters, maybe toss in temperature and pressure...

So very true. Even more damaging was alienating both Bill Polian and John Butler, two GMs that went elsewhere and had great success after leaving Buffalo.

Wilson surrounded himself with "Yes" men--case in point Russ Brandon and Doug Whaley--although the Pegula's didn't "clean house" right after they bought the team-they ultimately came to realize that they needed to get rid of every last vestige of Wilson's disastrous regime--now with new management (McDermott and GM Beane) the Bills are finally competitive

Things have been great since the Pegula's took over..

And ZERO Gangster Rap for their music

@@jimlascola most of these clowns aren't using gangster rap but the new skinny jeans wearing fake rappers. Please dont confuse real hip hop music rappers with these guys.

The 80's r like beatn sinnead o'connor in a n irish notre dame contest

you get paid to say stupid sh*t bonehead ?

Hell yea

this was only one of many many dumb ass moves Ralph Wilson made---not resigning head coach Chuck Knox after the 1982 season (even though Knox has taken a 1-13 team to the playoffs in 1980/1981) and also firing GM Bill Polian (the architect of the 4 Super Bowl teams) in 1993 over an argument Polian had with the team's treasurer (Jeff Lipton) was another--the constant theme with Wilson was that he wouldn't let the coaches coach-he was always meddling in the team's affairs when he didn't have a clue what he was doing---meanwhile just down the freeway from Buffalo the Rooney family was winning 6 Super Bowls in Pittsburgh BECAUSE they let the coaches coach and didn't interfere at all (whereas Buffalo had a revolving door of coaches-Pittsburgh never fired any of their coaches (Noll, Cowher etc)

You obviously don't know what you're saying. I'm not even a Jacksonville fan and I'll recognize that they're a team on the rise. Sure to be a playoff contender this year.

They've had 5 consecutive losing seasons and haven't had a winning season in 9 years. With the Texans and Colts leading the division, the Jags are far from "sure playoff contenders." They may be on the rise, but there is a long ladder to climb to get up there from the bottom, especially since they are just doing what they've been doing. Give them a few more seasons.

+ilyearer they do have many talented young players, they have a shot in seasons to come when they become more experienced but I'm saying that they won't go undefeated sadly they never been to the super bowl.

maybe for like 1 week lol

+Jesus Torres I remember they use to beat Broncos often in the playoffs.

Bully's live among us. Everywhere. Every age.

Jeff Fraley the announcer is Ted Leitner and if you know his style of broadcasting he was taking a dig at the critics of Fluties size. I have been listening to him do games for over forty years and he is very good at his job.

Sean Bartman Bartman? Are you the cousin of Steve Bartman?

I was confused by that too.

The person was being a smart ass. Official listings are wrong a lot but if he is 5'10" that's slightly above the average height for a man.

+Dontdoittoyoself really I thought it was 6 foot?

cardinalsrule 345​ no the average height 4 White man is 5 foot 10. For other ethnicities it can range differently but foremost is 5 foot 6. Being 6 feet is being considered tall Cultural standards.

+Damon Brown (#BillsMafia) dang

flutie was shorter than listed. more like 5'8. officially listed at 5'10. and players werent measured for height at combine back then

It wasn't the Bills but their stupid, demented owner Ralph Wilson--Wilson forced the Bills coach at that time (Wade Phillips) to start Rob Johnson instead of Flutie--even though Flutie was playing well going into the playoffs--just was just one of so many lame brained moves by the absolute worst owner in NFL history---this year they changed the name of the Bills home field from Ralph Wilson stadium to New Era Stadium---interestingly the Bills have now won 4 straight games going into Week 7 (2016)---I bet getting the name change has helped remove the last vestige of that moron's influence and hence the team is improving

Yes, I realize that Ralph Wilson was behind the bad decision to start Johnson. However, I still blame Wade Philips for publicly overpraising Johnson while not doing the same for Flutie when he was winning games. Whether he intended it or not, he gave fans the impression that he did not have confidence in Flutie.

But I always figured that if they'd won that game, Rob would go back to normal and play stupidly in the next game, prompting Wade Philips to bench him right quick and put Flutie back in where he belonged. It wouldn't even have to be really BAD stupid play; just something that he could use as an excuse to get Flutie back in. That "Music City Massacre" physically hurts Every. Single. Time. I remember it. Doug just MIGHT have had a chance to play for a ring.

Both are great... Brees was a rookie under Flutie in San Diego.. Flutie was Robbed by Buffalo

Flutie's last game.

In 1986, there was a Monday Night Football game in which Chicago Bears quarterbacks Jim McMahon and Doug Flutie were shown drop kicking before the game. The announcers said that they were the only 2 players who knew how to dropkick and that it hadn't been done in a game in decades. For the next 20 years after that, I would often check the sports section of the newspaper to see if Flutie had done a dropkick that week. When he signed with the Patriots, many fans knew that Belichick was a historian of football and he might give Flutie a chance to do it. Seeing him actually do it was one of my ALL TIME FAVORITE PLAYS because I had waited for so long. FYI. I have a photo of Flutie's dropkick on my wall.

@Spartacus That is very interesting. I have a hard time picturing McMahon doing it, even though he was as crazy as they come. That is why I love Belichick so much; in addition to being a great planner and game coach, he appreciates the history of it at the same time.

yeah hes cool because he will give certain players a chance that others wont. and bring in old guys that can be teachers and mentors to younger guys and pass on knowledge. he brought in tebow, moss and the old qbs testaverde and flutie

Pedro Martinez z. C. I.

Kind of like Tyrod Taylor

Smart comment babygirl✌🙌

No… this is why people with suits should STFU, and let the coaches coach.

Buffalo x Rochester All Day

I was heart broken , had so much faith in Flutie !

I know and they left him in! All because they had blown money on Rob Johnson. I’m sure everyone would rather win! Flutie was a boss his awareness and decision making was great such a smart qb. You gotta play flutie in the wild card game.

it was simply bad ownership, that plagued the Bills from 1989-2007

"What good would a championship do me? All that means is everybody wants a raise." - Ralph Wilson

Yeah but had the special teams did their job on kickoff then your not mad

The Bills didn't deserve to lose....their moronic demented owner Ralph Wilson deserved to lose-as he was always a loser

The owner (Larry Ryckman, later controversy, but really nice TO ME!!!!!) of the Calgary Stampeders, while visiting OUR B.C. Lions, Doug had boarded the Calgary Stampeders team bus waiting to leave B.C. Place outside the corridor where I was, and the owner came towards our fans (Including me!!!), and I had my, The Magic Flutie Sports Illustrated that I REALLY wanted to be signed, and I thought, what an awesome, but IMPOSSIBLE(???) opportunity to get it signed (I'm not a professional autograph seeker...), well, the owner, Larry Rykman came toward us and talked a bit, and I told him how much I admired Doug and showed him my magazine, and he took my magazine, went to the team bus, got Doug to sign it and brought it back to me!!!!!!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ryckman

The bills should believe in tyrod Taylor

Fitzpatrick was decent as well. Tyrod needs to do well because that franchise has suffered the last decade and a half.

Fitz was...acceptable. Just as hes always been. Fitz will never win a game for you, but hes pretty good about not losing them either. After Flutie, the Bills managed to squeeze 2 good years out of Bledsoe and that was the end of the Bills and QBs

Yeah can't forget about Bledsoe.

Fitzpatrick is not "decent"--The Jets are now finding out what the Bills learned a few years ago-Fitzpatrick might be an average backup QB but he is not a starter---the Jets are now 1-5 this year (the game he played against KC earlier this year where he threw 6 INT-was the worst game I've seen since Sanchez was in NY)-in addition Chan Gailey is also useless--he was literally run out of town when he coached in Buffalo-16-32 W-L record when he coached

If Rob almost won the game that tells me that Doug would’ve won it comfortably

It seems like it was the owner's decision to start Johnson over Flutie.

But its the HCs job to manage the roster. And if he said no, and he went out and won anyway, RWJ would have forgotten about it and moved on. Phillips buckled under pressure when he could have put his name on the line for his players

JKSSubstandard What if he had lost with Flutie? He would have been fired and most likely never given a second chance once it came out that he went against his owner's wishes.

Thats the risk you take. The point is, as a coach, as the guy in charge of the roster, if you think Flutie is the better player (and he was the starter all year) then you have to put your foot down, put your name on the line and do what you believe will get you the win. Instead, he buckled to pressure, made a bad decision and it cost the team a playoff win

JKSSubstandard I agree, but it is easier said than done.

It was suppose to be Buffalo Bills in the Super Bowl vs St. Louis Rams & The Bills when the Super Bowl with Doug Flutie as the M.V.P. 😀😀😀😀😀

Yeah and Seattle did it right because they invested a lot of money in Matt Flynn before they drafted Wilson and decided to start Wilson.

I say the same thing with me and batman @EveryChevyChase

Except that wrestling is make believe and this was real life.

Can not disagree with that analogy.

lol

TheDude4077 ... It was clearly a $$ issue. Rich owners worried about their money & not the team's success. The 1972' Miami Dolphins started Bob Griese in the first 5 games of the season & were 5-0 when Griese got injured. They put in back-up Errol Morral & he went 9-0 the rest of the season. Griese was fully recovered by the time the playoffs rolled around & they switched back to Griese for the Super Bowl. That's the only time I can think of where a team switched to a QB that was injured/out/benched most of the season & it worked out for them!!

I always thought that too, but NFL films showed an amazing explanation one time. Used lasers or what ever, it was EXACTLY lateral.

Yes it was...an illegal forward pass...to everybody watching...except the residents of Nashville...and the NFL front offices.

Scott Kirkness ... the laser was (NFL designed) crooked... ball passed on line and received 1/2 yard in front of line... NFL did not want another Buffalo Super Bowl period. Flutie also should have been the starter.

Yes it was very obvious and I get tired of hearing miracle when it wasn't . Just another bad reffing error .

20canon except it wasn’t a forward pass...

Only surpassed by starting Nathan Peterman

Talk about a chain reaction.

Jack Del Rio is a moron who wasted 2014 Denver defense on playing prevent shit instead of bringing pressure all the time. I'm still pissed at him for assigning Talib on Hilton in that playoff game against the Colts

Wade is a good defensive coordinator but not a good headcoach.

No, Doug didn't. After '98, Doug regressed to the same low-end starter/veteran backup that he would remain as for the rest of his career.