Julie is he a gate keeper?

Coolio 14 What does that mean ?

Julie you and me both ( Julie ) always loved that name .

@@nigecheshire9854 Ask him

@no more He’s never replied

@Mr. Perezident I am saying that collectively calling all the LGBTQ+ people a community is a misnomer. We don't all live in the same place and there is not one characteristic or "agenda" that would tie us ALL together. Even talking about only us, "the gays" as a community is directly insulting. It's somewhat like as if having blue eyes would immediately put me in close quarters with all the other people in the world who also happen to have blue eyes. Just no. It's sometimes called the LGBTQ+ Movement. Stick with that. That's more descriptive of what it actually is, at least in terms of politics.

Identity politics gone mad, check out Jordan Peterson on the post modernist Marxists and what they are doing, I would recommend the Joe rogan interviews, they are very enlightening, ✌️

@@stephencollins2604 I've read 'The Madness of Crowds', Peterson's latest is in the queue and I've been binging videos with both Murray and Peterson. I think I'm on the right track. :)

@@khymaaren I am too :) I am also trying to share the videos as widely as possible with people, There will be a tipping point and things will swing back and get better Although I think it will get a lot worse before it does. 👍

I agree, i separate the community from the people. Anyone who leans right politically is shunned by the community, as are people who don't believe we're oppressed and people who don't buy into the modern gender ideology with things like non binary suddenly appearing everywhere when that idea wasn't even discussed 5 or 6 years ago. The community is a political group, not a social space. Along with the internal conflicts described in this video and all of the fights observed by anyone who's ever been involved with it, it's one of the most toxic spaces to be in. I see alot of hate thrown towards gay men for a multitude of reasons, the most common thing just being that they are cis men. There's also the issue i find where people who wouldn't have been considered lgbt are moving into it too, i knew a guy who used male pronouns, said he was non binary and dated women in an lgbt group. To me it makes no sense that they'd be there

Clause 28 should have been kept I admit

Same

The Ts just hijacked the LGB movement and made it about themselves. They pretend that they have suffered the same, and behave like they are also responsible for the accomplishments that members of LGB have worked for over the decades. They're a very vocal, and extreme, minority that have stepped in and used the support for LGB rights to focus on the Ts rights. Demanding people use their pronouns, stopping women from openly discussing their pregnancies at work, expecting free loans/grants towards surgery, and other unreasonable expectations etc. I tell you, with each new day I'm feeling like our planet is becoming more alien to me 🤔 it's almost a crime to be a straight, white man in today's society

I think hormone blockers should be considered absolutely fine since they basically just delay shit, nothing that can’t be reversed- but yeah tbf although I don’t really care enough at all to ever impose it on anyone, personally I don’t know how much sense it makes for children to be taking testosterone or oestrogen until like at least 16 or a reasonable cutoff age like that. But then again, you’ve just got to think like each case is different, and it’s not great to be imposing stuff on people.

A lot of you in this comment thread are hella TERF-y. Trans people get to stand with the LGBT community because they fought for LGB rights, as well as we have for them.The LGBT community isn’t about sexuality. It’s a community formed because people who weren’t heterosexual weren’t given a place in society.

Croft Miller it’s not T lore? There’s a history behind it. Look at harlems ballroom scenes, marsha p Johnson, the stonewall riots, anywhere you look there’s been trans people in solidarity of our movement. It’s funny because if you look back over history only the white gays were being given space in society, especially the rich ones. They then often discriminated against people from their own community because they weren’t white; again, there’s a whole history of this - you can research where so-called LGBT clubs of predominantly gay men were throwing out POC and trans people, to disassociate with them. The list goes on. There plenty of reason as to why historically transgenders have fought to be a part of the LGBT. The LGBT is a community of people who weren’t, and sometimes still aren’t, given recognition and equality by the heterosexual majority in all parts of the world. It’s not a group made just for sexuality. Like I said there’s an entire history behind it that you can research but you’re clearly choosing ignorance.

Croft Miller I didn’t say Marsha was trans. I said that it’s not T lore, and that you need to look into the history, then I listed names. The reason I listed Marsha is because she helped found the transvestites action revolution, therefore showing that they’ve always been a part of our fight with equality as part of our community, so again I don’t know why you conflated that argument out of what I’ve said- makes no sense.

Although invoking a (mis) interpretation of Bible texts - or ANY other religious book for that matter - on the issue of homosexuality is de facto passive-aggressive wishing harm on people - the sports person Israel Folau should not have been sacked for refering to what he *believes* happens in the * afterlife * . Its easy to vilify individuals who propogate this idea but if you are concerned about incitement of anti- gay hate - either ban or at least edit the religious books themselves ! In a free world the only censoring of such media should be for age / context appropriateness . UK MEP Ann Widdicombe's recent remark shows exactly why the claim about a gay gene as defence for homosexuality wont change bigots minds : they will just say its a defect - find a cure . Bigots need to research how to mind their own business. Theres perhaps a gene for why some people like marmite - but no ones asking to research that with a view to cure it . Still - wont stop those who dont like it thinking its 'wrong' ' weird' etc to like it. ~ The word gay suffices to refer to non heterosexuality : it does not inherently mean homosexual men. The significance of having words simply to acknowledge non-heterosexuality is that heterosexuality is the de fault assumption regarding sexuality. The only choice involved in our sexual orientation is to choose to be * honest* - or not - about it. Its important to acknowledge that anti gay sentiment is just one expression of the bad attitude all people can have towards others consensual sexuality including gay people towards *other* gay people- whether in or out the closet : yes its hateful prejudice to conflate straight/ heterosexual with homophobic . Recognising this puts things in perspective and context . Its only unacceptable when people express their attitude in an * unduly * discriminatory or abusive and violent way. But no - no one 'celebrates ' others consensual sexuality . Celebrate * honest * sexuality. Buggery was illegal in the UK for heterosexuals too although interpretations of laws on gross indecency or similar were invoked to proscribe against other sex acts between men . The bad attitude has been enshrined in common religion which proscribes against consensual sexuality thst affects everyone in some way - including self pleasure . Religion is a device used simply to give supernatural backing to egotistic ambitions ie trying to stop others fun when a person doesnt feel free to pursue this themselves : misery loves company Religious exponents don' t object to ' love ' but the sex bit . They say 'hate the sin not the sinner' : fine - as long as their views dont affect secular laws . Why let it bother you what they think ? The resentment straight men or women might feel towards gay people is from the ageless suspicion that gay men get easier / more sex than they do . In the past it was dealing with notions of a 'womans virtue' men had to contend with But now there's PC feminism demonising straight mens - and oppressing women's - sexuality under the ruse of protecting the 'vulnersble ' : if the element of feminazis had to admit some women enjoy exploiting the power of their sexuality it would elicit a less than 'sisterly' censure . Of course that understsnding is *not* to excuse anyone lashing out at gay people - but you can see why for eg they provocatively call for a straight pride party when gay sex is now supposed to be ''celebrated " : Gay people are seen as getting special exemptions re: expression of sexuality. Marriage should not be a legal catagory in secular law . Next of kin contracts should be available for people - involving however many people - that do not inimate anything about the sexual relation between them or - moreover - the morality of any . Religious institutions can conduct any blessing ceremonies that they are agreeable to only . However while the c of E is affiliated to the State it should be *compelled* to honour equality laws or separate. #separatechurchandState

Exactly! I hate when people use the word community, it makes those people seem like a hivemind! People should only speak for themselves.

I just reread the definition of community to make sure that I didn't glitch out into some alternate universe where it means something else... According to your definitions, religious communities aren't a thing. Words have multiple meanings, including the meaning of "community" you reject.

@Julia A community /kəˈmjuːnɪti/ noun 1. a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common. 2. the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common Pretty cut and dry, I think.

I dunno. I rather like being in the "Arctic Wolf Glacial Blue Eyes" community. It's far more satisfying than being in the "Arrogantly Took Differential Equations Exams With a Pen" community. Might as well be in fuckin' MENSA.

Douglas Murray is actually hilariously funny. Perfectly executed British humour. It's a highly underrated part of his character and it helps when talking about serious topics like this.

@@rabblerabbleRubble Lady Beatrice Counterblast, nee Clissold, lol.

Same

Blame it on the host?

@@ChrisWillx perhaps....

@Mustö Han most my gay friends can't stand Ls 😅

Your all P's. Some D's and really AA's.

Every type of community is a fiction except for a family and even this one doesn't hold on sometimes. We're all on her own whatever any part of our identity.

Flaze Da it’s real!

In Iran they force gay men to transition, as well. I guess it's some kind of religious mind-gymnastics that makes homosexuality OK or something. It's really horrible.

Sexual preference is about sex, not gender. If you are a male who has sex with another male, you are homosexual, no matter the "gender" of the people involved. So there is no such thing as a "heterosexual trans".

Nick Dat That's because trans makes sense unlike homosexuality. If you don't have gender dysphoria you shouldn't be acting like the opposite sex.

Lioralon1 It's not horrible at all. If you're a biological man and wanna act like a woman then get a sex change. End of story.

Margarita Katrenko Trans people for the most part are heterosexual. There are some trans people that consider themselves gay.

wokeness is liberalism

Lol Lol No. Wokeness is, quite literally, illiberal. It’s just far left.

@@yerinchang8118 fuck the far left and the far right

I used to think as you did too, then i watched some contrapoints yt vids and she has truly opened up my eyes to the issues of transgenderism. The topic is truly quite thorny for the mere fact that no single societal group is a monolith, but what contrapoints videos abt trans ppl did was to humble down my own opinions. I think thats the real danger - thinking that our opinions/ judgements (yes we all judge despite what pc culture villifies) is the fact. We often think we've perceived a certain issue so thoroughly that in our arrogance we neglect reality. I encourage you to watch some of contrapionts discussion on transgenderism, very interesting and it showed me how much to the multi-faceted topic if nvr thought abt

@@llamaliammm I stupidly took you up on your suggestion of Contrapoints. What a load of garbage.

Yeah, that was my experience too. I met my wife a few years ago and she’s a straight conservative Christian. One of our first conversations when we were becoming friends was about my bisexuality since I didn’t want to hide it and she was really cool about it in a way that one would figure the LGBT community would be but aren’t really.

@@gregorymendoza5437 I think its cause 99% of bi people just choose to life a straight life, so they dont really see you as part of a the community

I have identified as bisexual since 16, the best relationships I have had are with bisexual women. I have experienced some misunderstandings from straight women which I really don’t want to live through again. And I don’t particularly like most of gay culture and gay culture has spread the most misinformation against bisexual men. The bisexual men I have met who are in same gender relationships have had a really hard time being isolated in the gay community.

@@matthewkopp2391 When I was 16 no one knew what a bisexual was, the conversation was damagingly Str8/Homosexual.

@@mikemcmullin149 That was 100% intentional and by design. Read the gay manifesto, it says even though bisexual exist everyone should call themselves gay. In 1910 Freud and Hirschfeld knew, and wrote about it and said it’s normal, in the late 1940’s Kinsey knew wrote about it said it’s normal, The gay community knew, they began suppressing the information in the late 60’s. In the 60’s the most open visible LGBT men on television were bisexual including Gore Vidal, James Baldwin, and Paul Goodman and even Allan Ginsberg called himself Queer because he also had intermittent relationships with women but mostly long term men but was also in a bisexual poetry circle of friends who were “straighter” like Kerouac. Joe Dallesandro from the Warhol factory, almost all of his long term relationships were in opposite gender relationships but the gay press just called him gay. Lou Reed, David Bowie eventually were just understood as straight. The list goes on and on and on. The fact that Murray continues this is gross, and cruel, he doesn’t really know how much he is doing damage to peoples lives. But he is. But apparently if we say anything we are being irate and blowing things out of proportion. Who cares, right? Well a friend lost his job and his wife and was subjected to ten years of public ridicule (he was a tv reporter) and the took his life last year. People like Murray really cares for no one but himself.

Mark Muller Absolutely right! It is abusive of the highest degree... Future generations will look to this time as one of the craziest, most perverse, child predicating times in human history... Unless we don't stop going down this rabbit hole of course, then it will just bed seen as the start of it. Reminds me of the chorus of that manic street preachers song: "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next." Crazy times indeed!

Agreed. Woke Munchausen by proxy.

These people are probably the same kind of people who would have advocated that “medical treatment” of drilling holes into a person’s skull to cure mental illnesses if they had been born into those times. They go whole hog into these fads and ruin people’s lives to get high on the feeling of moral superiority and progressivism.

Puberty isn't what matures you, experience is. That's why puberty blockers are what is recommended to trans kids (after exhaustive medical and psychiatric vetting from trained professionals) so that once they have the ability to make the decision themselves they can begin taking hormones and transition or let puberty take its course. Not doing this provably harms trans individuals later on in life due to the dramatic physiological changes that take place over puberty that require magnitudes more corrections once they have taken place than if the waiting period were allowed in the first place. This idea that a kid offhandedly says "I think I'm a boy" and is immediately carted off to the sex change factory is ridiculous scaremongering fiction.

​@@Anele1097 In a perfect world, perhaps you'd be right; unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. The first issue is that, from a physical and hormonal standpoint, puberty quite literally is what matures you. The spike in hormones humans go through fundamentally changes their body and mind. That's why puberty, especially when paired with counseling, is associated with desistance from gender dysphoria (GD), with, depending on the study, 80%+ of GD sufferers desisting at puberty. Yes, you're right; if the patient falls withing the ~20% that persist, allowing puberty will present additional challenges later. But the likelihood is far greater that the patient's GD will be resolved without permanent, irreversible medical intervention; that's why some schools of GD therapy don't advocate either puberty blockers and social transitioning. Second, puberty blockers are not just a simple "pause" on development. They impact long term fertility and physical development, so their use is not without negative impact. Additionally, in most instances they are used in combination with the start of social transitioning, so they are the start of a particular treatment pathway, and one that once started tends to continue. Given the prevalence of desistance, there is therefore a high likelihood of pushing a patient down a treatment pathway that is not appropriate, and won't yield the best outcomes. Third, your argument assumes that the medical and psychiatric professionals are without bias. Based on the debate within the community on different treatment models, with some advocating the aforementioned "watch and wait" school to see if they desist with puberty, and others advocating aggressive treatment and transitioning as early as possible, that's not a supportable position. The paper at the link presents a well balanced discussion of the topic, and is where I've pulled material, as well as containing links to source material and other discussions on the matter. www.genderhq.org/trans-children-gender-dysphoria-desistance-gay

Yes!

Well, it is a conveyed message designed to get support from people like you. Remember that it's all based on opinion, it does not necessarily reflects the reality as a whole.

where does he say that?

@@mOOnpEEls bathroom break part ON THE car travel

@Trouble Came Calling Oh. They don't - think - in the right - way

Productive at drawing attention to problems in society. Should commentators even offer solutions?

@historypoliticsbb Correct, .......but highlighting them is.

Daimo hearing that always reminds me , of the fallen member of the trinity ; Roger Scruton .

historypoliticsbb he’s a miserable sod very true . 😊

I heard about that smh its ridiculous

@ungratefulmetalpansy I've never heard them mention it. I've been in entertainment all my 51 years and I haven't heard of it either.

But you actually confirm him?

@ThatWeirdCat Guy Gay when their girlfriend's on the rag. Or else straight when they need someone to take to dinner with Mum and Dad.

Save the bees else we all die. Lol.

Ken Aquino if they do exist in any Qty, Google has been censoring them for at least 11 years.

Bisexuals (of both sexes): says they like women, deep down likes men

I exist! We do exist. For real 😁✌❤🇬🇧

being a bisexual woman, i agree wholeheartedly. there is rampant biphobia in the LGBT community and it makes me sick.

Yes, I've heard bi people being really insulted by gays. "There just confused/they don't want to commit to it"- that sort of thing. It's sad.

I think most gay people I know try to give bisexuals a big swerve, you are not known for your loyalty, only for your aggression.

Exactly!

@cosmic skeptic

He has good taste, no crime in that 😄

@@ChrisWillx He is hot af 😄

John Anderson? Delingpole? Julia Hartley-Brewer? Joe Rogan?

Skoto What an utterly stupid comment. E.g. Gad Saad , attractive young man?

yeah he's like milo on this, very rigid thinking, 'you can't like men and women' and 'the gays hate the lesbians', sadly (because i think it would simpler) i think life is a bit more complex

Same

Same! I’m a femme lesbian and I’ve always had more gay men as friends, people think all lesbians are masculine 😂

Forever Jung that’s a stereotype though, true in some instances but I’ve also met plenty of straight women who are more masculine 🤷‍♀️

That's very accurate. lol

That you are here means that you are part of the "chattering classes", pleb.

Then you misunderstand what Q is. Q is the admission of being outside of cis heteronormativity but pushing oneself to be confined within a letter when you are not sure who you are yet. It is the admission that you are on the journey of self discovery and awareness but are not there yet. I am gay but I was queer for a bit, mostly because I was aromantic which left me confused about how no I was.

q is straight people who can’t have something not be about them

Nelson Pinder holy fuck , you people can write on own religion with all these rules and ways to live

@@TheEndIsTheStart "outside of cis heteronormativity" + "not sure who you are yet." .... this sounds like such a mess .. its really much simpler than all that.. look at the entire history of mankind so see how we breed and what is normal for a healthy human ... intersectional feminism robbed lots of people of their mental health.... kids no longer actually know what a man or a woman is. sad .. oh but the gays know for sure... yuck the other sex ..lol.

Ella Mills if you think q should stand for questioning then that’s a problem 🤣

#fighthatewithhate

We don't know.

Those are the ones that actually don't want to make their mind up and are confused about everything relating to sex and gender....

@@bodo887 how is that even possible? How hard is it? Jesus man we're getting bullied by bunch of weesels?

@@joshdunham7167 sry, that's what Q means. It's a non-sensical "identity". I wish we could get rid of all unnecessary labels.

Where is the H?

Lol...and maybe Douglas could use a 60w bulb.

Ha ha, very observant!

I love your mind! 😀😂

It's only the people who are against the LGB community that obsess about it. The rest simply want to be treated with respect and get on with their lives.

I saw it too

A great writer.

Your community is the LGB community. All the other letters are Left wing political movements.

Who said I'm am ghey?

All talk are ornamental.

Hi. I am interested in what you said, Could you please expand on it ? Thank you.

They already started using numbers

@@BriBee2468 is it Daammnnn. Absolute insanity at its weirdest, unbelievable hahaha Cheers for the info. Peace 👍