Dr-Doolin Triumph TR6 Frame Problems

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5 жыл бұрын

James discussing TR6 Ladder Frame Problems.
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@maoxian Жыл бұрын

Appreciate your knowledgeable, no-nonsense approach....

@steveavis4642 5 жыл бұрын

I don't know why you don't have more subscribers, that was a great and informative video! I have a tr6 and luckily the door gaps are even, but I wouldn't have known to look for that. Thanks Doc!

@tenhendee5479 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very detailed explanation of the frame construction and weakness areas. I` bought my TR6 on Ebay and imported it to Europe without any check . I is an survivor. I was examinating the frame at home and was some concerned about its satus. Now, after your video, I have changed my opinion totally.

@peterlucchesi8549 2 жыл бұрын

What have you done?

@malcolmgay2206 4 жыл бұрын

The key to getting a good TR is to find an expert before you buy and also work with that mechanic while you own the car. TR aren't for everyone, but they are a magical car and a sorted TR6 is a joy every time you turn the key😉. I owned mine for over 20 years and had to sell it a few years back as we relocated to a smaller apartment😢

@nealsoad 3 жыл бұрын

I own a Spitfire and I'm driving a few hours to look at a TR6 today. This has been very helpful with what to look for. Thank you.

@jabberjab 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant run through of a complete wreck… very useful when I go and look for one

@mikeglodowski810 3 жыл бұрын

You are 100 % correct in your correction! A friend of mine had a TR6 with almost exact problems. We noticed it with the wheels/tires sitting wearing the opposite vertical direction they should be. The suspension shop called it "A DROPPED REAR END' They said they were 'COMMON PROBLEMS' with these models. Sad part was like you said should have been checked before buying. The rest of the car was like new. The cost to repair it would have been greater then a new one. He was lucky to get a collector that wanted to do a complete frame off restoration. Thanks for your views. Mike G.

@teddobosz7812 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a new one in 74, nothing but problems, got rid of it in 76. Best thing I ever did!

@tamjacobite4758 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you so much for posting. I am looking at purchasing a TR6 and this video was so helpful. Cheers mate!

@stezo15 4 жыл бұрын

Great assessment! Thanks for the tutorial! 👍😁

@andy1way 5 жыл бұрын

Please keep these videos coming.

@andrelapointe1983 Жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation, thank you James!

@johnb7889 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Saved me a lot of heartache.

@archstanton5215 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for explaining this. Now I know the reason why I have uneven gaps on my TR-6 doors. I always wondered how this happened.

@leewarren 4 жыл бұрын

Great job on the video ... well done!

@gjohnint 3 жыл бұрын

My 1973 TR6 which was 9 months old would flop around. On the Paris cobbles the gap between door and c post would open and close about an inch as you crossed the cobbles. The front scuttle would twist alarmingly. Brilliant fun and car.

@richardcarter1000 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting thanks. Love my Tr6. One of my faves.

@davidm793 4 жыл бұрын

Now the proud owner of a tr3a.... thos is a great video. What a knowledgeable guy

@jfro5867 4 жыл бұрын

Now this is how to do a video. Excellent explanation. 👍👍

@terryatpi Жыл бұрын

You just ruined my day. Guess I should have watched this a week ago. Great video btw. Thanks

@cherrypicker8897 3 жыл бұрын

Great show. Very informative.

@aeroearth 4 жыл бұрын

A very long time ago back in the UK I owned a Triumph Vitesse 2 litre Mk II. For something that looked like a Triumph Herald one could go for a "spirited" drive without attracting too much unwelcome attention. The overdrive version, that car did about 115mph flat out. However having a separate chassis (frame) meant that it got weaker and weaker as corrosion set in and little one could do to impede it.. I did at one stage consider buying a new chassis which I was told was available and cost about 80 GBP. At the time those cars sold for about 550 GBP. But as the family grew I bought a Triumph 2000 Estate instead. Whilst Triumph cars had lots of reliability and durability problems, so did everything else back then. Golden rule when buying a second hand car is start by looking underneath first!

@rafaeldiazus Жыл бұрын

Great analysis! Your Thank you Dr.

@joetricomi 4 жыл бұрын

Great video now I’ll be looking for cracks

@joetricomi 4 жыл бұрын

I had rear-left tire with severe negative camber when I bought my tr6 the frame where the trailing arms attached was almost gone all rusted out it was a mess lol replace it worked out great 👍

@daveunderhill9636 3 жыл бұрын

Thankful both of my TR6s are rust free even though they are both from Southern Ontario.

@jeffhildreth9244 3 жыл бұрын

I traveled 375 miles today to look at a "completely restored" 1974 TR6. It was a several year home hack job of a series of inelegant, ignorant repairs and parts swapping. But the biggest problem was a 5/8ths inch (16mm ) gap at the top rear of both doors and about 1/8ths inch (3mm) at the bottom. The asking price was obscene given the condition of the vehicle. I declined purchase. The owner was asking over $20K USD.. There is no price I would pay for the car. He thought the door gaps were acceptable and standard British workmanship ! The body needed to come off... not a thrilling prospect. Thanks for fortifying, and proving my observations.

@dee106ful 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible wealth of knowledge. Loved the frame explaination

@robertrimmer4276 5 жыл бұрын

yikes! buyer beware. Great video and explanations, Thanks. keep 'em coming!

@peterscandlyn 4 жыл бұрын

That car was a POS.

@PSMyarddog 4 жыл бұрын

My 68 TR250 had chronic lower control arm brackets. They need to be welded several times in 1975, before they were unrepairable. Road salt, NYC potholes and enthusiastic driving did the car in.

@Dilllie 3 жыл бұрын

glad you like the music from my band! keep it up!

@Dr-Doolincom 3 жыл бұрын

To see a band without a regular rhythm section (bass, drums, keyboard and guitar) and use the Euphonium for bass along with a really basic drum kit is pretty good. All the players know their parts by heart with improvised solos, what's not to like. Plus it looks like fun time after all the hard work is done and its time for the gig.

@can-cruiser 5 жыл бұрын

I don't own a Triumph but I own other British sport cars. I found the video excellent nonetheless. Thanks for posting and sharing!

@inductionbyforce8656 2 жыл бұрын

I had a tr250 that had this door gap issue too I used cut pipe to lift the body in the rear to help but he’s correct it’s a large gap you create in the frame to body gap

@Markcigar1 3 жыл бұрын

Had a 69 Tr6. Lever action rear shocks were horrible. Rear aluminum A arm cracked too!

@carguy0000 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks great info , I'm looking to purchase either a tr 6 or a mgb >> do you have a preference >>>

@gazzafloss 5 жыл бұрын

Good "heads up" vid for potential sports convertible purchasers Doc. Reminds me the time we bought a "restored" Jensen Healey from a backyard dealer, just about no sound metal left in the floors and sill rails stuffed with newspapers to back up the body filler, took a lot of workshop hours to repair that body. Good thing was the guy who sold it to us went to jail a bit later for winding speedometers back, "instant karma". Hope the same for the low life who caught this guy with his crummy TR.

@skytrooper506 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. My TR6 has no rust on the frame but my gaps are wider at the top. Is there any way to fix the frame to even the gap? Thanks!

@dandare1001 4 жыл бұрын

Shim the rear body mounts to raise the rear a little.

@6isenough161 4 жыл бұрын

No saving for that frame. No doubt the floor, body and rockers are in equally punched condition. By the time the parts and labor count has been made that car would be a better parts donor. I've seen shops having problems with drag on the door strikers clamp the frame down just at the trailing arms and power jack up at the rear frames bumper mount points. A lot of work and distortion when all they needed were striker shims!

@s.tranger1074 3 жыл бұрын

I owned a 1972 Mk1 TR6 from new and put 70,000miles on the clock in 3 years mainly on the continent. Nice car to drive - in a straight line but useless on bends. Reliability was another problem and on a bad road (now that's all you get folks in the countryside!) it was like riding a camel with ten humps and about as comfortable

@davethompson3140 3 жыл бұрын

Something that one needs to be very aware of when buying a TR6. The rear ends have independent rear suspensions that were quite advanced for their time. Along with frame issues, these repairs can run into big bucks to repair. The car he has will never drive straight and a major breakdown will happen sooner or later.

@MartinSage 4 жыл бұрын

My Triumph 955i Speed Triple motorcycle was built strong from the factory....not to mention it runs circles around the TR6.

@johnclayden1670 4 жыл бұрын

Great video - but the audio volume could do with some 'smoothing'.

@furryp2402 Жыл бұрын

More videos on the TR6 please

@steveavis4642 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos. Is there a way to straighten a drooping frame? I have access to a frame machine. Was thinking of pulling down on the weak area to align, then re enforce. I would greatly appreciate your input.

@Dr-Doolincom Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve I've been thinking about any advice I could give you. The idea of pulling down the frame on a frame machine then welding on a few supports sounds like a good and easy way to fix the problem. The thing is there is a lot missing you need to think about. When you "pull" frames, or even unibody cars you need to have a sound structure to be pulling on. A late model car suffering accident damage is technically in good shape its just that it's the wrong shape as it were. The case with your TR6 is rust or structural problems, if you start pulling the frame around it is not sound enough (which is why you have a problem in the first place) it will cause more problems. You will of course get it back to a straight position the thing is' instead of "pulling" sound metal back into shape, it more than likely will rip on the bottom of the frame and compress on the top. You may not even see this as the main part of the frame your trying to straighten is under the center plate on the frame. That brings me to another point, in order to do this repair correctly you have to take off and redo the plates as the critical repair area is between them. The bottom one is accessible the top one is not. It requires removing the entire body or as I have done in the past, if the frame is corroded this bad 9 times out of 10 the floors require replacement as well. Cut out the floor and rockers and just lift the rear section of the body off. Now the third point, this is a quite involved job not counting the fabrication of the frame sections (we sell the outriggers of the rear suspension) I have alignment jigs for the main frame and the outriggers. There are a lot of things to get wrong. I think this is too difficult for most guys to try. The fourth point is if you just pull down the frame as slap on a couple of angle iron pieces if won't last, and should not even get close to passing an inspection. The problem is not the bottom section coming apart, its the top. Sorry there is no easy fix. James

@BigDuke6ixx 4 жыл бұрын

I've abandoned plans for getting a classic British sports car and went for the modern classic Caterham 7 instead.

@davesherlock1314 4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping to learn something but could not hear. Had to give up.

@mrbigmel3 4 жыл бұрын

thanks mate , subbed you great video

@thedyoungband750 3 жыл бұрын

Turn up your volume please

@kjeldlarsen912 3 жыл бұрын

Thx for the video great one

@NEWPL 4 жыл бұрын

Emerald Green nice

@richardcheatham9490 4 жыл бұрын

Ouch! Audio Fix: The vocal volume is so low one has to turn up speaker volume; then the car is driven into the garage where the noise is way too much. Wouldn't put myself through that twice.

@davethompson3140 2 жыл бұрын

Who would even think of spacing on door jams when buying a TR6? Shows you why it’s so important to have someone who knows the cars to look at them before buying. Someone’s trying to dump their problem on someone else.

@sam28600 Жыл бұрын

Is it anybody making new frames for the TR6 today? I would guess there is a market there....

@TheEulerID 9 ай бұрын

Yes, they are readily available, but extremely expensive.

@franktaylor7617 2 жыл бұрын

😎👍 🇺🇸

@simonedwards5070 Жыл бұрын

A lot of CP150s in the uk have torn themselves out of the chassis, TRGB do a diff strengthening kit just for this, that car is going to be very expensive to repair, in the UK rule of thumb’ if you spend £16,000 on a TR6 you’ll be throwing £16,000 at it’

@Dr-Doolincom Жыл бұрын

This car would be expensive to fix no matter where you live. You would spend more in money and time than the finished car's restored value.

@elizabethshaw2465 Ай бұрын

Crumbs……that’s given me a lot to think about. Chassis first.

@petergoose8164 5 жыл бұрын

Very interesting preamble. I feel sorry for people who get caught buying cars i.e. pay good price for bad car. However it is always a bad idea to buy a car without a sanity check (as you said). The door gap and sill and panel repairs are pretty obvious. Google "TR6 door gap". However a quick look under this one even with just a mirror and torch should have got the alarm bells ringing deafeningly.

@johnnorth9355 4 жыл бұрын

Damn I wish I had not watched this ! Want to know why then view TRibulous TR6 here on YT. No big hoist and large garage either :( .

@Zofmui 4 жыл бұрын

What? I can't hear you.

@Dr-Doolincom 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it seems the audio is a bit low for some devices. I have placed a written article on my web site in the members section. If you sign in (no cost or unwanted e-mails) it is under Video updates. it actually contains extra information and helpful links.

@thomasmulhall4873 2 жыл бұрын

Why don't you pave a road into your shop? I wouldn't bring a car to a shop that I have to drive thru dirt and mud to get to, plus, the shop gets dirty inside when the wind blows.

@douglasduham9749 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure he is happy that you don’t . Wow get s as life

@donaldgarver6594 4 жыл бұрын

I would attempt to drive my brothers tr6, it rattled so much I came back and got my MGB no rattling in it at all

@kevinbrooks1607 5 ай бұрын

Basically that chassis is a scrapper

@Dr-Doolincom 5 ай бұрын

Correct, but the car was driven to my workshop. Then driven away again, I believe to be sold.

@narabdela 4 жыл бұрын

Serious audio problem here Dr-Doolin.

@Dr-Doolincom 4 жыл бұрын

@martentrudeau6948 4 жыл бұрын

Nice looking car, but the frame is gone, not fixed easily. Oh well.

@geyser3445 6 ай бұрын

Very hard to hear video until you brought the car inside.

@bobkids009 Жыл бұрын

Hardly can hear his voice.........!

@kenwhite1053 11 күн бұрын

please voice over, cannot hear u

@Dr-Doolincom 9 күн бұрын

Hi Ken, we have changed the way of recording our sound, and this video was made quite a while ago. Unfortunately to change the sound on completed uploaded video is not really practical and yet the sound for us is the most difficult part to get right. If I just sat at a desk and talked it would be a lot easier. The body mikes don't work well either. Mixing voice over and actual speech recording brings a whole set of other problems. Though I do find that listening to any recordings with earbuds intensifies the lows and highs. James

@mollyfilms 3 жыл бұрын

Think you mean wing and not fender after all you are a Brit.

@kenwhite1053 11 күн бұрын

wear a clip on collar mic. intro shot hard to hear. when you pulled in garage it was so loud i haad to yank my ear buds off. then back to very hard to hear when yo closed the door. looks like you have good content and video technique but all that effort is ruined for me because of quality of voice recording . please re do sound. thanks looking forward to seeing and hearing. cheers

@fredblair4307 4 жыл бұрын

christ that engine sounds like a tractor

@johnnyx9892 Жыл бұрын

Because it was.

@zeke3486 3 жыл бұрын

What a primitive way to construct a car.

@Birashanuman 4 жыл бұрын

Please explain why at your stage in life you are pre occupied with the utter dross produced by Standard-Triumph /BMC/.BMH post war ? You are clearly old enough and presumably mature enough to focus on vehicles constructed with mechanical and structural integrity .There were plenty of vehicles produced post war , using ex-WD 3''" rocket tubing chassis, AC , Dellow, Swallow Doretti , etc.Failing that you have the Riley RM series,Healey,the AC saloons ,Armstrong Siddeley, Lagonda,Alvis (pre Graber ),,Daimler(not SP) etc.Even the MGA passes muster: The list of options is very varied without having to lower your sights to the abominations created under Donald Stokes and Michael Edwardes . A nice special built on the underpinnings of a robust ,well preserved Bentley MkV1,or R Type,or even S Type , is infinitely preferable, desirable ...and most of all...satisfying ... .

@Dr-Doolincom 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think I have heard such pompous rubbish since I left England in the 70's, first you have no idea what I am preoccupied with, you watch a few videos and make a judgment. You also have no idea what vehicles I have worked on and am still working on and repairing in the last 50 or so years. Then you even presume to tell me what will satisfy me. You remind me of a guy I knew when I had my Triumph Tiger 110 1954, I bought it in boxes when I was 18 yrs old. I put it together and rode it. This guy said he would never own a Triumph, BSA, or a Norton nothing but a Vincent for him. The rest were rubbish (sound familiar). I started racing moved on and bought a van to cart my racing bike and gear around, by then it was nothing but a Jaguar for him, forget the motorbikes. He was still using the bus when I left for Canada three years later. I am a qualified Auto mechanic I repair automobiles, I had a five year apprenticeship to be given the basic knowledge to gain experience in that field. I very much doubt you have put that much effort into anything. I don't mind what make model or type of car I repair. I care more about the person that owns it. My customer list is extensive. I know a lot of MG, Triumph, Mini and other US and European car owners that think and care about their cars. Including the Aston-Martin, Jaguar, and Austin-Healey customers. None of them have the attitude you do. If they did I would refuse to repair their car, and believe me I have refused to work on peoples cars. The job satisfaction I get is from seeing a broken or damaged car put back to working order and driven. Be it a 1929 Nash or an XKE V12 or even a little Austin A35. My own project, not that I have much time to get to it, is a 1954 J2 Morris van. There is one thing you have achieved though and that is first place in the Dr-Doolin Pompous Ass Award. Please don't reply and tell me the cars you claim to have, I really don't care. Actually don't bother to reply at all. Just go away.

@mickrobo6073 4 жыл бұрын

Dr-Doolin.com ..well said mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 The guy clearly doesn’t understand the TR6.. he’s obviously got his nose up his arse and blinkered....as there’s a lot of people owning this vehicle ..a lovely classic British sports car ,.you’re a very clever knowledgeable guy respect mate..👍👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@mickrobo6073 4 жыл бұрын

Birashanuman fuck me you’re obviously blinkered.. sound very stuck up to me ..open your eyes pal.