What do the contents of Thol Kappiyam, the first Tamil publication reveal? What is it based on? Where did Tamil originate? Its relationship with the word Dravida. A must watch!
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@nanjappa425 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most significant interviews for several reasons. I have several editions of Tholkappiam in Tamil with modern commentaries, but none brings out these facts . There is a tendency to hide or pass over important aspects with which the Dravidian political dispensation does not agree. While scholars can differ, to suppress facts is neither honesty nor scholarship. I wish Dr.Nagaswamy would write a simple commentary , at least of select parts, which have a bearing on our culture. Obviously, Tolkappiam is not merely a grammar of language , but a mirror on the culture of the land, which shows the organic unity and integrity of India. Grateful for this interview.
@AbhishekYadav-ue6yi4 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit is oldest language..plesae be with truth
@pradeepjhenry4 жыл бұрын
You both morons can suck each other but sanskrit is not the oldest language.. Greek is the oldest.. sanskrit don't even have it's own script.. go to school n learn don't shit your ignorance everywhere..
@LokeshKumar-tv9lm4 жыл бұрын
@@AbhishekYadav-ue6yi yes
@LokeshKumar-tv9lm4 жыл бұрын
@@pradeepjhenry sanskrit initially base for languages
@pradeepjhenry4 жыл бұрын
@@LokeshKumar-tv9lm , who told you? Your cow?
@nikjs3 жыл бұрын
I was always wondering why south indian scrips look so similar to bengali, thai etc if they were supposed to be so distinct. And if tamil and thai are similarities then hey thai culture traces its roots to Hinduism!
@sanjusanjay34373 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit originated from Tamil and Tamil has gave birth to many languages
@dipendrasingh42553 жыл бұрын
@@sanjusanjay3437 you all believe adiyogi first gave the boon of yoga to saptrishis right! And happily practice it as it is.. Then why can't u all digest this simple fact that the same adiyogi mahadeva himself taught tamil to rishi Agasth, when its clearly mentioned in scriptures. Every tamilians knew this truth until that bogus aryan dravidian theory was induced to break the hindu unity.
@silverback36333 жыл бұрын
The current Tamil script is Devanagari-based, that is why the similarity. It was introduced by the Pallavas around the 7 century CE. The Cholas influenced most of South East Asia in the 11th century.
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
@@sanjusanjay3437 Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@kiranjosepr63982 жыл бұрын
@@naiyayika can you also tell the similarities of Sanskrit and Lithuanian ?where is the proof of Sanskrit existed in 1400 BC? I mean evidence not some mythology. Tamil is the language of this land, whereas Sanskrit belongs to indo European languages.
@ragukannan75904 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit and Tamil divine languages for 84 divya deshams(Narayana) of tamilnadu with Alvars.( Nalayira divya prabhandam)
@NoBee7865 жыл бұрын
I wonder what will happen to Aryan Dravidian politics. Very good work sir. People like you unite us. Thankyou
@shivanimishra51934 жыл бұрын
May be both language are like two brother because there are sankrit words in Tamil and Tamil words in sanskrit both language can survive without using each other words. It can be possible may be our ancestors are bilingual .
@NoBee7864 жыл бұрын
@Ragu Kannan . P Yes Aryans are from mars. That's why they are white.
@NoBee7864 жыл бұрын
@Ragu Kannan . P europian stole this whiteness from Mars descendent Aryans
@NoBee7864 жыл бұрын
@Ragu Kannan . P ok tell me an alternative word for "nati".
@NoBee7864 жыл бұрын
@Ragu Kannan . P none on this planet was hindu or any other religion if I consider Darwin's theory of evolution.
@gdsinghshorts97242 жыл бұрын
Both languages my mother language no campare between languag.... love from Uttrakhand India 🇮🇳🦁😎 we all Indian brothers.....Don brothers 😎🤘
@gdsinghshorts97242 жыл бұрын
@minnie yes Daaju Bheji😎
@ulaganathans81188 ай бұрын
Love from Tamilnadu, India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@fizzybubblech21283 ай бұрын
Half the Tamilians hate us. Just read the comments.
@gdsinghshorts97243 ай бұрын
@@fizzybubblech2128 no hate I love Tamil brother sister we r one think positive
@Endangereds5 жыл бұрын
This is my humble request, you are doing a great job sir. We want to listen the guest. 2:45 Please never stop the Guest/speaker before he finishes what he wants to tell. Finish off all the introduction/Context in first 5-10Mins and then, please let the guest talk.
@kennethkyle17663 жыл бұрын
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@is79642 жыл бұрын
He is a lier
@dynasticpoliticscorruption70532 жыл бұрын
@@is7964 all tamil scholers
@krishnannarayannan14895 жыл бұрын
Well written. And factual .Indian must accept the reality in general and don't belittle our ancient language. Tamil language has its roots from ancient times. Please read all to understand better the history of oldest language. Before the Indian government declared Tamil as a classical language, Dr. George Hart from UC Berkeley sent this letter to them. Interesting.👇👇👇 I have been a Professor of Tamil at the University of California, Berkeley, since 1975 and am currently holder of the Tamil Chair at that institution. My degree, which I received in 1970, is in Sanskrit, from Harvard, and my first employment was as a Sanskrit professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, in 1969. Besides Tamil and Sanskrit, I know the classical languages of Latin and Greek and have read extensively in their literatures in the original. I am also well-acquainted with comparative linguistics and the literatures of modern Europe (I know Russian, German, and French and have read extensively in those languages) as well as the literatures of modern India, which, with the exception of Tamil and some Malayalam, I have read in translation. I have spent much time discussing Telugu literature and its tradition with V. Narayanarao, one of the greatest living Telugu scholars, and so I know that tradition especially well. As a long-standing member of a South Asian Studies department, I have also been exposed to the richness of both Hindi literature, and I have read in detail about Mahadevi Varma, Tulsi, and Kabir. I have spent many years - most of my life (since 1963) - studying Sanskrit. I have read in the original all of Kalidasa, Magha, and parts of Bharavi and Sri Harsa. I have also read in the original the fifth book of the Rig Veda as well as many other sections, many of the Upanisads, most of the Mahabharata, the Kathasaritsagara, Adi Sankara’s works, and many other works in Sanskrit. I say this not because I wish to show my erudition, but rather to establish my fitness for judging whether a literature is classical. Let me state unequivocally that, by any criteria one may choose, Tamil is one of the great classical literatures and traditions of the world. The reasons for this are many; let me consider them one by one. First, Tamil is of considerable antiquity. It predates the literatures of other modern Indian languages by more than a thousand years. Its oldest work, the Tolkappiyam, contains parts that, judging from the earliest Tamil inscriptions, date back to about 200 BCE. The greatest works of ancient Tamil, the Sangam anthologies and the Pattuppattu, date to the first two centuries of the current era. They are the first great secular body of poetry written in India, predating Kalidasa’s works by two hundred years. Second, Tamil constitutes the only literary tradition indigenous to India that is not derived from Sanskrit. Indeed, its literature arose before the influence of Sanskrit in the South became strong and so is qualitatively different from anything we have in Sanskrit or other Indian languages. It has its own poetic theory, its own grammatical tradition, its own esthetics, and, above all, a large body of literature that is quite unique. It shows a sort of Indian sensibility that is quite different from anything in Sanskrit or other Indian languages, and it contains its own extremely rich and vast intellectual tradition. Third, the quality of classical Tamil literature is such that it is fit to stand beside the great literatures of Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Chinese, Persian and Arabic. The subtlety and profundity of its works, their varied scope (Tamil is the only premodern Indian literature to treat the subaltern extensively), and their universality qualify Tamil to stand as one of the great classical traditions and literatures of the world. Everyone knows the Tirukkural, one of the world’s greatest works on ethics; but this is merely one of a myriad of major and extremely varied works that comprise the Tamil classical tradition. There is not a facet of human existence that is not explored and illuminated by this great literature. Finally, Tamil is one of the primary independent sources of modern Indian culture and tradition. I have written extensively on the influence of a Southern tradition on the Sanskrit poetic tradition. But equally important, the great sacred works of Tamil Hinduism, beginning with the Sangam Anthologies, have undergirded the development of modern Hinduism. Their ideas were taken into the Bhagavata Purana and other texts (in Telugu and Kannada as well as Sanskrit), whence they spread all over India. Tamil has its own works that are considered to be as sacred as the Vedas and that are recited alongside Vedic mantras in the great Vaisnava temples of South India (such as Tirupati). And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern Tamil and Malayalam. As Sanskrit is the most conservative and least changed of the Indo-Aryan languages, Tamil is the most conservative of the Dravidian languages, the touchstone that linguists must consult to understand the nature and development of Dravidian. In trying to discern why Tamil has not been recognized as a classical language, I can see only a political reason: there is a fear that if Tamil is selected as a classical language, other Indian languages may claim similar status. This is an unnecessary worry. I am well aware of the richness of the modern Indian languages - I know that they are among the most fecund and productive languages on earth, each having begotten a modern (and often medieval) literature that can stand with any of the major literatures of the world. Yet none of them is a classical language. Like English and the other modern languages of Europe (with the exception of Greek), they rose on preexisting traditions rather late and developed in the second millennium. The fact that Greek is universally recognized as a classical language in Europe does not lead the French or the English to claim classical status for their languages. To qualify as a classical tradition, a language must fit several criteria: it should be ancient, it should be an independent tradition that arose mostly on its own not as an offshoot of another tradition, and it must have a large and extremely rich body of ancient literature. Unlike the other modern languages of India, Tamil meets each of these requirements. It is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than Arabic); it arose as an entirely independent tradition, with almost no influence from Sanskrit or other languages; and its ancient literature is indescribably vast and rich. It seems strange to me that I should have to write an essay such as this claiming that Tamil is a classical literature - it is akin to claiming that India is a great country or Hinduism is one of the world’s great religions. The status of Tamil as one of the great classical languages of the world is something that is patently obvious to anyone who knows the subject. To deny that Tamil is a classical language is to deny a vital and central part of the greatness and richness of Indian culture. (Signed:) George L. Hart Professor of Tamil Chair in Tamil Studies
@1996warman5 жыл бұрын
Bro, no one is against Tamil or anything. But some Tamilians speak unnecessary hatred against Sanskrit, which irritates us. See any video praising Sanskrit, does anyone criticises Tamizh there? But see videos praising Tamizh, there would be hurtful comments against Sanskrit.
@gamingpedia10625 жыл бұрын
I am not against.. Sanskrit.. I ❤.. But. Basic is tamil advanced.. Sound Sanskrit.. If you build house.. Foundation.. Must.. You see the house.. Beautiful.. You cannot See base all wayst
@thilsen0285 жыл бұрын
@@1996warman they started criticising sanskrit only when they try to show their superiority... but the above two persons are not known enough our Tamil language.. We support hindi but not sanskrit because it is coined by bhramins like Hinduism.. Only Tamil language can tear their mask about history ( his+ story ) like ramayana.. That's why they are always try to suppress Tamil... despite of all reasons we are Indians and I am strongly support that.. But we have to show the past so that it cannot repeat again.. If some one come and say that I am the father of your child the problem raises.. we have to move towards a new India leaving history behind
@shivasaravanakumars19645 жыл бұрын
@@1996warman bro I can show evidence in UPSC books in which they treating tamil as secondary.. so sanskrit ppls need to stop their supremacy stories..
@1996warman5 жыл бұрын
@@shivasaravanakumars1964 What evidence? Do show.
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
there were about 650 languages in the indian subcontinent. while the politicians are engaging us in fighting over two of them, all these languages and their contents, including these two languages , have disappeared from the memory of indians and the worlds most deficient language called English has taken their place.
@titancodm10983 жыл бұрын
Now this does put a depressing smile on my face
@shashanktripathi33984 жыл бұрын
those who believe in Aryan invasion theory should read Dr B R Ambedkar's book "who were the shudras" where he said that aryan invasion theory is bogus any a myth and shudras were also aryans.
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
Shashank Tripathi tamils can’t be with u .keep ur own business chameleon .we know why u want u hide the Teruh .u want temples build my tamils cuz most of the temples in inda are build by tamils.thats why .u want to develop hindusm .thats why u want tamisl .shame on u
@shilpabhanushali12643 жыл бұрын
@@user-jw8yk9ki1r chal chutiy
@mariasvasaba12613 жыл бұрын
@@user-jw8yk9ki1r You have exposed your ignorance. Can you please tell me who wrote Shilpa Shastra, Aagama Shastra, Vastushastra. Their origin is in Samskrutam literature. Go and see Swami Narayan temples in India and abroad. Do you think Tamils have built them. What about present day Ayodhya temple. Polititians with vested interests have brainwashed you people for their advantage.
@ramdevdirector66533 жыл бұрын
@@user-jw8yk9ki1r dei 😂
@mi2burudas2632 жыл бұрын
Tholkaappiyam is a Tamil word which means "protected old work"... Thol - old/ancient Kaappu - protected Iyam - work Kaappiyam not meant the same as kaavya...
@MM-dh3wr2 жыл бұрын
They are desperate to find something.
@dynasticpoliticscorruption70532 жыл бұрын
No bro . Kaapi means filter coffee. It is protected new work by you.
@MM-dh3wr2 жыл бұрын
எழுத்து ஒ(short vowel o) சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் இல்லை. அவர்கள் தோல்காப்பியம் என்று தான் எழுதமுடியும். பொருளிலக்கணம் தமிழுக்கு மட்டும் தான் உண்டு.
@ManojDas-lb4lu2 жыл бұрын
@@dynasticpoliticscorruption7053 🤣🤣🤣
@anbusuryap2 жыл бұрын
Adei lusu payale, same meaning in Sanskrit also da, engethu da vareenga 🤣
@AnandAKGupta5 жыл бұрын
The whole basis of the theory of Tamil being the only indigenous language of India and Sanskrit coming from outside is the "Aryan Invasion/migration" theory which has been duly debunked in today's day and age. It simply failed to provide any scientific or archeological evidence. But the problem is that due to the R1A genetic marker and proven similarities of Sanskrit and European languages the obvious implication now is that most Europeans might have part Indian ancestry, which is extremely uncomfortable for white supremacist western historians. So they desperately hold on to the notion of some imaginary ancient civilization in Ukraine/Kazakhstan that spoke the imaginary language PIE disregarding the absence of any archeological evidence and also common sense that with pre 5000 year old technology it was nearly impossible to sustain such a large civilization in those cold barren regions that might have the numbers to change the whole DNA of much more populous India to this extent. But more ironic is the fact that Aryan-Dravidian politicians for the sake of their political motives have been indirectly supporting white supremacy all this time by basing their divisionary theories off of the Aryan Invasion theory!
@Ragameiste4 жыл бұрын
spot on
@AnandAKGupta4 жыл бұрын
@JarJarBinks A consensus amongst western linguists in western journals that screams of bias due to conflict of interests! Are you denying that as per structured/scientific linguistics European languages have close similarity to Sanskrit? And find me a real world archeological evidence of the existence of this PIE or anyone who spoke it! Now if there are two groups of obviously similar languages then one must have influenced the other and wouldn't "common sense" dictate that this direction of influence would be based on antiquity? So much for invoking common sense. I absolutely don't care if the desperate westerners declare themselves having arrived from mars or anywhere out of their bigoted shame of their own prospective ancestors, I care when they muddy the history of my ancestors out of their bigotry. And how did you bring medicine into this? The amount of 'Ad Hominem' in your comment and the absolute absence of any logical argument is a glaring evidence of how butt-hurt you are at even the prospect of this being the truth. Try to argue your point without using logical fallacies if at all you are capable of it.
@AnandAKGupta4 жыл бұрын
@JarJarBinks All you can do is throw crude insults, lazily misdirect the debate by labeling me a nationalist, quack doctor, BJP activist and every unrelated thing, but you couldn't provide a single logical argument pertaining to the point being discussed. Both your comments are just presumptions, assertions, rhetorics and logical fallacies desperately trying to avoid the original topic. And you have the gall to claim yourself siding with science when you couldn't provide a single scientific archeological evidence of the existence of PIE or the civilization that supposedly spoke it.If you plan to keep spewing unrelated garbage without providing a single logical argument or evidence backing the theory you support, be my guest, I will be calling out your dumbassery every time!
@AnandAKGupta4 жыл бұрын
@UCixOdtBRXp97WzTLiupTNRQ Just read your own replies and quote even one line from among them that deals with any of the archeological sites / artifacts, genetics, linguistic facts or a scientific argument. If you can't then accept all the insulting adjectives you used to aptly apply to you! Who uses analogy, simile or metaphors while discussing scientific theories? You just essentially accepted that you have no argument and know nothing about the topic being discussed. But you are certainly entertaining as someone desperately trying to weigh in on topics he is clueless about.
@AnandAKGupta4 жыл бұрын
@JarJarBinks When someone supports a theory like Aryan Invasion with "ZERO" scientific archeological evidence, calling them biased is not an analogy, simile or metaphor but a scientific conclusion. There is absolutely "ZERO" evidence of PIE or this ancient civilization ever existing in the steppes, this is a scientifically established fact that you claimed as bullshit. Refute me if you can with any evidence, don't run away from the challenge again! And seemingly you have never heard of "Out of India" or "Indigenous Aryans" theory. What qualification does someone like you, hiding behind a pseudo persona on the internet, have to call all Indian and foreign scholars who contributed to these as village-idiots? And though I don't live in a village what is this hatred against villagers? This bigoted classist attitude of yours just reeks of mental immaturity! You have provided absolutely no evidence for your statements, you are the one full to the brim with ulterior religious and cultural motives! Btw. why did you delete your abusive comment, I had to edit my reply. Or did KZfaq do it?
@kumarsmarimuthu97043 жыл бұрын
Stop your lies! Thol means ancient and it is pure Tamil. (not thoal) Kaappiyam and kaviyam do not mean the same. Kaappiyam is kaappu + iyam. Iyam means text/book and kaappu means preserve or protect. So tholkaapiyam means a book that protects the purity of Tamil language. Kaaviyam means an epic but Tholkaappiyam is never an epic! The ancient Tamils had Three Sanggams; first/muthal, second/idai and third/kadai. Tholkaappiyam is second Sanggam grammatical text that is dated around 1000BC! Thikku, Thisai are pure Tamil words and aren't sanskrit words. Don't simply conclude if words used in Sanskrit means those words are of Sanskrit origin. Sanskrit language is mixture of languages from the dead vedic language that was once spoken, prakrits and Tamil. It is an CE language and not a mother tongue to anyone. The recent excavations in Tamil Nadu proves that the so called Tamil Brahmi Script predates the Ashoka Brahmi script by several centuries. The Tamils gave the grantha script to write Sanskrit when all the Vedic texts were compiled, revised and edited in the Tamil land around 7th to 12th century CE. Thirukkural is an antithesis to Vedic and Sanskrit ideology, just like Jainism and Buddhism. It condemns Varnashrama Dharma, caste discrimination and irrelevant vedic philosophy. Periyar opposes Vedic Brahmanism in a very crude manner but Valluvar does the same enlightenment but in a fine manner. Kural places the Farmers in the top most rank whereas Vedic tradition upholds the Btahmins. Kural is based on Righteousness/aram for all whereas Vedic tradition emphasizes Dharma, a set of rules and regulations based on varnas! How come two opposite ideologies be the same! One should feel shamefulness when indulge in falseness.
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@devirani63472 жыл бұрын
@@naiyayika 😂 1400??? 🤔 In dreams the mittani tablet are in hurrian language not sanskrit. The first full flegde sanskrit antiquity is found only after 1st century A. D..
@krishnaats714114 күн бұрын
Go back to Lemuria
@drshibank5 жыл бұрын
Hats off to you Shri Iyer for your ability to bring so many distinguished scholars to interact on these mind boggling topics and still you make the interactions so simple that even common people can understand the essence of what these distinguished speakers have to share after an enormous scholarship. Indebted to you for the service to the Mother Land and Sanatan Dharma.
@is79642 жыл бұрын
He is a liar.
@rudehustler1943 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 he is just a paid liar fvkng brahmin scks dcks for money. Nearly 4500cr a year for developing nd promoting sanskrit still shit language lies cannot change history. No fcking sanskrit proof has been seen beyond tamil
@is7964 Жыл бұрын
@Linguist Me people who believe in fictional stories and make stories out of nothing.
@is7964 Жыл бұрын
@@linguistme6870 @Linguist Me I don't understand what exactly you are trying to say. This guy is a liar. His mission is to hide the truth and destroy the true antiquity of the Tamil language. The first archeological excavation happened in 1968 excatly in Korkai Tamilnadu just 12 trenches were dug. They got charcoal pottery with Tamil inscriptions only humans could have possibly used charcoal, so they sent it to research institute to carbon date it expecting it to be 1st or 2nd century BC. But the outcome was 8th century BCE. If this were to happen in any other parts of the world they would have dug 100's of more trenches but ASI head Mr Liar Nagaswamy closed all the trenches and said carbon datings are not scientific and accurate. So anything that he says would possibly be focused on destroying the antiquity of the Tamil language.
@is7964 Жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with Sanskrit being older than Tamil provided there is archeological evidence for it. This person is trying to destroy the integrity of the uniqueness of Tamil literature and Tamil poets. He is simply saying thirukkural is a copy of dharmashastra and Tholkappiyam is a grammar copied from Sanskrit. This is an act of destroying the integrity, culture, and uniqueness of a language. As of now, there is no archeological evidence in India to prove any other Indian language is older than Tamil. The only way to prove Sanskrit is older than Tamil (archeologicaly) is by stealing Tamil literally works. I have seen contents from Abijit and Nagaswamy these people are dangerous and they are trying to hide and destroy the true history.
@slohani52045 жыл бұрын
And Mango is an English word derived from Manga in Tamil (as per oxford dictionary). Therefore, Is "welcome" also derived from Vadakkam?
@NawinAD3 жыл бұрын
It is vanakkam brother.
@user-re5jx8ph7s3 жыл бұрын
Swagatam is in sanskrit
@silverback36333 жыл бұрын
@@user-re5jx8ph7s When a Sanskrit word ends on consonant then you know it is stolen from Tamil.
@nirbhaygor2 жыл бұрын
@@silverback3633 It is borrowed or copied, stolen means that the original language lost the word and the taker language gains the word. In actuality the word is never lost only gained. Also no language in the world is original language, every language made up of mixture, isolation, evolution, degradation, elimination, corruption and infinite amount of these permutations and combinations. Only language that would be pure would be an isolated tribe who have been isolated since humans started speaking.
@nirbhaygor2 жыл бұрын
Welcome comes from old English, which itself comes from old Germanic. Vanakkam derives from Vanangu which means to bow or to give respect as in namaskaram. Welcome mean wil = pleasure + cuman = come. Phonologically they sound similar, but etymologically they are different. It also might seem confusing as they are used in same context, but they mean very different things.
@sachinsharma645 жыл бұрын
A very Fascinating conversation, just blown away with the knowledge this man has, and this comment is to some who are commenting he is doing misinterpretation that let me tell u I just verified with few pandits I know and can say it with utter confidence that he is not misinterpreting
@is79642 жыл бұрын
This guy is a lier
@ViswaMitrann2 жыл бұрын
Does it include Tamil scholars?? 🤔
@dynasticpoliticscorruption70532 жыл бұрын
@@is7964 you not he.
@greymanBB6 ай бұрын
@@ViswaMitrannyou think there is any point in talking only with a Sanskrit scholar? Or only a Tamil scholar? You need to consult those with mastery over both. A look at Dr. Nagaswamy’s credentials is enough
@ViswaMitrann6 ай бұрын
@@greymanBB Mr. Nagasamay did a great job as Archeologist, no doubt. He seemed to have an open idea at younger year. But, at later age, his arguments were convoluted. Especially his views on Thirukural is very skewed. Not just Mr. Nagasamay, there are many other like him who wants to anchor everything in Vedas, not the other way around. The term "Sanathana Dharma" itself comes first from Buddhist teaching not Rig Veda. Now "Sanathana Dharma" is equated with Hinduism, which is equated with Vedas. In any case, I was asking sachinsharma64 whether he consulted Tamil scholars. I think you and I agree of peer reviews.
@UrVishal5 жыл бұрын
His last book Tirukkural I'm not getting it on e-commerce website someone inform him
@sachinsharma645 жыл бұрын
Its available www.amazon.in/Thirukural-Abridgement-Sastras-Dr-R-N-Nagaswamy/dp/8179507874
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
Ur Vishal that was a fake book.he is saying Thiruvalluvar copycat vedhas .its fucking lie
@sirfin4593 жыл бұрын
@@user-jw8yk9ki1r um Tirrukural is the Tamil Veda. It's independent. Tevaram, is also regarded by Shaivas as Fifth Veda in Shaiva Siddhanta. How are you saying Tirukurral is copied from the Four Vedas?
@pradsu12 Жыл бұрын
Older does not necessarily make it better. Sanskrit is special because this was developed with concious effort to improve spoken languages and literature, with proper grammar and structure. With contribution from all areas of India through leaning centers. We have many such examples. Concious effort to improve collective fitness = yoga Concious effort to improve collective eating = Ayurveda Concious effort to improve music = Hindustani,Carnatic music Concious effort to improve dance = Natya shastra Concious effort to improve speaking = Sanskrit Let’s use it because we have spent thousands of years to develop it Tamil Hindi no different from Kannada or telugu
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Useless claims about Sanskrit; dead and nobody to even study even though they allocated 250 times more money for the dead language
@ajeshpg2138Ай бұрын
I have a doubt that only Sanskrit not the consciously contructed language, chenthamizh too. Comparing chenthamizh,Spoken Tamil and Malayalam we can find these similarities between the forms in spoken Tamil and Malayalam. Sentamil-Spoken Tamil-malayalam OnRu-Onnu-Onuu Irandu-rendu-randu MoonRu-moonu-moonnu Naanku-naalu-naalu Ainth-anchu-anchu Vaithu-vechu-vechu Pidith-pidich-pidichu virinth-virinj-virinju EnR-ennu-ennu Vendum-veNo-veNam Eppozhuthu-eppo-ippOL/eppO
@shivanimishra51934 жыл бұрын
May be both language are like two brother because there are sanskrit words in Tamil and Tamil words in sanskrit both language can survive without using each other words. It can be possible may be our ancestors are bilingual .
@vanisridhar55092 жыл бұрын
Did you know about baby of tamil and sanskrit?? (i. e manipravalam) and tamil grandam script??
@vanisridhar5509 Жыл бұрын
@काला जादूगर(The Black Wizard) yes, Are you Malayali??
@vanisridhar5509 Жыл бұрын
@काला जादूगर(The Black Wizard) Manipravalam is not in use now. But some tamil poem used manipravalam, I don't know about it correctly. And child can't compete with mother. Malayalam is rythmic but tamil is sweet & powerful language to express our feelings.
@Iamlatha5 жыл бұрын
All sorts of people go to the US. About a couple of years ago an anchor of a program kept on advertising that they will be going to US & their first stop would be கெணத்துக்கட்டு (Kenathukkattu). I was curious about why should they go all the way to US if they want to see கெணத்துக்கட்டு ! They will have one in their backyard ! I kept on watching the program regularly & when they conducted the program in the US, the board in the auditorium read, "Tamil sangam, Connecticut" !
@vish25535 жыл бұрын
Latha Baradwaj 😂😂😂
@aadhithyasridharan15165 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
டிபிக்கல் பார்ப்பனீய நக்கல்.
@Iamlatha5 жыл бұрын
உங்களைப்போன்றவர்கள் உங்களுடைய ஜாதி வெறியை காட்டுவதைத்தவிர உங்களுக்கு இங்கே வேறு சொல்ல ஒன்றுமில்லை. lol. நான் ஜாதியை குறிப்பிடவே இல்லை.
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
@@Iamlatha அது திசைச்சொல் என்றறிக அம்மையே. நான் வருண படிநிலையை போற்றும் சிந்தனையைக் குறிப்பிட்டேன்.
@pvvenkatachalam8022 Жыл бұрын
The language constructs of Sanskrit and Tamil are very similar. Words can move from one language to another.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Tamil is agglutinative; Sanskrit is not. Vedic language is closer to Iranian avestan. Sanskrit developed from Vedic in contact with Tamil (Proto-Dravidian) and yet Sanskrit is different structurally
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
This is a very illiterate comment.
@mrhimanshugoswami2 жыл бұрын
This is relevent today with Mr Stalin heading the new DMK govt.
@udaya61153 жыл бұрын
Yeah true, Both are language of God
@kalyan975 жыл бұрын
A superb interview. Dr. Nagaswamy presents an authentic perspective on the links between Samskrtam and Tamil. Kudos to Pgurus for the presentation; both Dr. Nagaswamy and Pgurus have rendered a great service emphasising the unity of the Rāṣṭram.
@Dragger_073 жыл бұрын
Divided by politicians on basis of languages but we are all united by Adi Yogi Lord siva, shiva..
@srivathsannadathur94523 жыл бұрын
Very very informative. Obviously most people who get into arguments about Tamil culture and antiquity don't do their HW like studying the samgam works. However I have a doubt. The core Tamil areas don't seem to include tamarabharani or vaigai river valley settlements. Madurai, adinchanallur , keezhkarai etc. So how do these places tie in. Not questioning the fact that santana dharma was a pan indian principle from the time of recorded history. How about before that. These places I mention perhaps have more clues.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
An objective or an end goal is what many authors of ancient books and treatises aim for. Valluvar’s ideals are addressed to envisage a society where everybody is treated equally and not discriminated against on the basis of caste or creed. Valluvar calls for universal brotherhood, education for all, and poverty alleviation by charity and noble deeds. He builds a model citizen. The Dharma Sastras and Smritis have an objective to create and sustain a social order or hierarchy. Laws of Manu are prescribed with the objective to create an unequal society. The malaise of such a system is what we are faced with in spite of so many reformers. We conclude that we have two different perspectives of living and very little commonality between the two different literary traditions
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Nagaswamy is a very shallow scholar. He has not studied even a chapter of Tolkappiyam. He has been exposed by Tamil Annal in a detailed book
@PeepalPawan5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! What proper historical scholarship with the likes of Dr. Nagaswamy can reveal! 🙏🏽
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
He is fooling the gullible public not educated in Tamil
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Tamil is not just a language alone; it is a cultural expression. Our Sangam literature points to the nature of our bulls, and even crocodiles that are in the Indus seal. Our bulls did not come from Sumeria or Syria. Avestan, an Iranian language, is 70% of Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil and many Dravidian (unwritten) languages are older than Sanskrit. Sanskrit borrowed heavily from us, and Aryans kept telling the world that Sanskrit is the mother of our languages. Bos Indicus bull in Indus with a hump is very Indian. Tamils had a secular expression when Aryans came. Aryans got the whole sub-continent only obsessed with their faith, fears, and Gods; created castes to establish hierarchies. The myths they created cannot be viewed as facts or history; science, genetics, and archaeology are busting all their myths.
@krishnaats714114 күн бұрын
Then give up the Tamil Literature and Tamil kings. Coz they were Hindu clearly
@thangapandian74443 жыл бұрын
செல்வம் கொட்டிக்கிடக்கும் இடத்தில் தான் இலக்கியம் வளரும், வறுமை உள்ள இடத்தில் கற்பனைக்கு பஞ்சம் வரும், என்ன ஒரு அருமையான கருத்து.
@kanivimalanathan15373 ай бұрын
சரியாகக் கூறினீர்கள். பாரதியாரும் பெரும் செஸ்வந்தர்தான், இல்லையா!
@ramakrishnakrish53115 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear Dr.Narayana swamy on tol kappium tamil. But we couldn't hear much about Sanskrit. I have heard that when Shiva started beating Damaruga from one side Sanskrit errupted and Tamil from other side. This sounds were transcripted by great saint Pani. Please we will be happy and great full if someone looks with this angle also. Again Pranamam to all.
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
while there are evidences to this divine origin of sutras of sanskrit grammer( Maheshwara sutrani) , there is no evidence in tamil texts on such origin from shiva. We need to understand that sanskrit is the only language in the world that covers the entire spectrum of sounds that human system can produce. Tamil is very lacking in that aspect. Vedas are the oldest texts and vedic language is almost classical sanskrit. Vedas of course are divine, Lord Vishnu's breath
@ShotSimplyEasy2 жыл бұрын
@@gam3827 Ancient Tamil originated much earlier before Sanskrit so during that time such sounds were not needed. Sanskrit is not the most ancient language. Even using its vowels and consonants you cannot cover entire spectrum of sounds that human system can produce. Sanskrit is just a language nothing more than that
@maghee833 ай бұрын
ada makku koomthi, intha parpaan sollum pei kathaiyai innumadaa nambure
@manjeshwarmuthurajan5 жыл бұрын
Please do your research on vallalar's comment on origin of languages.
@anuvatsa5 жыл бұрын
We are talking about Tamil in 2nd/3rd century BCE with an example (Tolkappiyam). All it could possibly say is that - Prakrit/Sanskrit etc. was in Tamil sphere of influence at that time (albeit the outermost layer and weak). There is a theory that Tolkappiyam is influenced by Aindra school of grammar. This may well have been the case and Tolkappiyar would have learned the grammar in Sanskrit and modelled the grammar to suit Tamil. Now, this has nothing to do with origin of Tamil and Tamil society. Society evolves due to trade, war and natural evolution etc., They get influenced by many ideas outside their region. Some of those could have come from outside from interactions with different societies outside India through sea and land. We got a lot of Western influenced words/culture lately which will be internalised (Indianised) . Can we say in 500 years time that all Indian thought was Western, so Indian languages has its origin in English language? Same is the case here. We don't know what was Tamil before this time, because Sanskrit got preserved orally and there is no oral tradition that I know of in the Tamil world. Indian archaeology is not very professional/speedy regarding knowing facts in this regard. Vedas existed at least 3500 years back (going by widely accepted date). Earliest Tamil text is around 3rd century BCE. Both should have existed prior to those times as we see grammar/poems composed by these people. 1. If pre-dominantly Tamil and Sanskrit speaking society were one and the same, then why did they start speaking different languages (not even mutually intelligible)? 2. If Tamil branched out long time back from Sanskrit (as some Sanskrit chauvinists think), why simple things like numbers, pronouns etc., look different. Also the language grammar. Slavic/Baltic languages show more affinity in this regard than Tamil. Given the geographical proximity, I expect Tamil to be closer. The only thing that India has in common is the Indian-ness that can be attributed to 2000+ years of interaction between all parts of India or a founder population (Indus Valley) influenced both ASI and ANI population. We are talking about 5000 years of history and I am sure there will be influences at various periods that we don't even have clue about. Some may say founder population language was Dravidian/Sanskrit. But decipherment of script will tell. Until then we can just look at a slice of time in Indian history and see a particular state of the world.
@anuvatsa4 жыл бұрын
@JarJarBinks Thanks for the comment. To add to this - both have this myth that they are the most ancient civilisation in the world and has been existing for 10000+ years. If something does not fit this model, then they are anti-nationalists/left etc., from the so-called true nationalists and anti-Tamils/outsiders etc., from so-called true dravidians. Truth is - clearly, we have found other civilisations that are not influenced by India in Mesopotamia/Egypt (some of the earliest civilisations along with Indus). How do we answer that? We had some influence linguistically and culturally in south-east Asia. We had some great similarities with Slavo-Baltic languages the direction of influence is in dispute. Unfortunately, according to Science, 10000+ BCE Lemuria/Yugas cannot/did not sustain a civilised population. Let us at least be rational and see the states of India in 3500 BCE/2500 BCE/1500 BCE and so on as they were (you cannot change history!). People have migrated all the time - this includes the Iranians who contributed to IVC and the population from Africa before that.
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
Both tamil and sanskrit are much older than what westerners claim., with sanskrit being still oldr than tamil. Vedic language is the oldest. Remember as per our puranas (history not myth) Once vindhya mountain started growing so high that south and north got divided , the paths were obstructed. Agastya corrected it and put it down, reconnecting south and north. So during that time perhaps Tamil developed in a different way. But it did not have grammer etc like samskritam until Agastya Rishi came to south and he brought cauvery river to Tamil Nadu for his worship. Someday this truth will come out with proof.
@anuvatsa3 жыл бұрын
- Puranas are stories like Panchatantra to imbibe moral values etc., and not history. Vedas/Ramayana and Mahabharata contains some layers that contains lifestyle of people living at that time and may also be history extrapolated. The story about Vindhyas does not make any geological sense. Please first read both Tamil and Sanskrit before making these fantastic claims.
@jaganr773 жыл бұрын
@@anuvatsa If we approach scientifically, Vedic Sanskrit is a myth. PIE came to this land within 1500 BC? or after the IVC. These Baltic language got mixed with Tamil and found Pali, Magathi etc., which was spoken during saint Buddha and then Emperor Ashoka. We have a inscription proof of Tamil from 400 BC with unique Tamil alphabets and sound like ‘Nedunchezhian’ but even today these words can not be pronounced correctly in Sanskrit or English.(not an issue as uniqueness of language ) and Asoka’s inscriptions borrowed 75% of the scripts from the old Tamil scripts in order to adopt the new language Pali’s dialects (mixture of Tamil+ Lithuanian )👍
@ChidVanhi5 жыл бұрын
Dr Nagaswamy is a walking library & please do more interviews with him.
@pradeepjhenry5 жыл бұрын
He is a lier
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
@@pradeepjhenry How is he a liar ? Can you substantiate?
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
@@pradeepjhenry "Liar"
@pradeepjhenry5 жыл бұрын
His definition for tholkappiam is enough to understand that fraud wants to say that Sanskrit is mother of Tamil.. Which is a straight lie. Mfg Brahmins always want to show that dead language which don't even have it's own script is higher than Tamil which has it's own script n own uniqueness.. I don't even consider him as a scholar.. He's just a fkn fraud who has malicious agenda..
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
@@pradeepjhenry He can back up his facts ..he is speaking based on evidence. And just do away with that Bhrahmin hate mentality !
@thamizhmarai69864 жыл бұрын
Nagaswamy is a very controversial figure. No single Tamil scholar accepts his ideas and interpretations. It's not my problem. I just want to point out that many people have a tendency to say Tamil words as Sanskrit words with zero evidence. In Tamil, each word carries a meaning. By decomposing a word you get the cause and meaning of the word. By this we can say that if the word is a Tamil word or a word borrowed from other languages. Example, we call god as KADA+VUL where KADA means transcendence and UL means immanence.
@peterparker-pl8wt3 жыл бұрын
Tholkappiyam is a Tamil name and the host says is Sanskrit. So anyone can say Sanskrit borrowed Tamil words.
@pappug53193 жыл бұрын
@@peterparker-pl8wt sanskrit and tamil have roots in each other both are in separable if one is removed other will be out
@peterparker-pl8wt3 жыл бұрын
@@pappug5319 if you don't know about Tamil please have some knowledge. Sanskrit if they don't say Mantras in Temples would be gone, but Tamil is living thousand, thousands of years.
@196835 жыл бұрын
Nagaswamy lays emphasis on the unity of our rashtra
@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg4 ай бұрын
17.25 Venkadam means VENN KADAM meaning white muntain mostly indicating himalayas , not necessarily thiruppathi . This means the whole of the sub continent was tamil nadu !
@joychakravorty2380 Жыл бұрын
It's great that we have two ancient languages. Our Sage like Adi Shankaracharya, who established 4 dham math, also stressed on our Philosophy, spirtual side of our culture.
@CheckYourHealthUS5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Very well presented. Can you ask him perhaps next time about the inscriptions? What I found interesting is the inscriptions in SE Asia are grantha Sanskrit characters not Devanagari proving Tamil exposure in those countries. Why does he think of George Coedes work?
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
grantha was used for sanskrit throughout south. Even now vedic schools use only grantha script. So many sanskrit books were printed also in grantha script. You can find them on the net or with any vedic scholar. Grantham letters were used in Tamil to write sanskrit letters. But grantham inscription does not mean it is Tamil, it means it is sanskrit letter
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
most probably their culture was from kalinga kings as there are lot of similarities in culture architecture etc. Their languages are full of sanskrit
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
@t s Muthuraman Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@Menonsreegiri5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to P Guru channel to present such knowledgeable interview with Dr. Nagaswamy a prominent scholar. Dramila or Dravida is referred to Tamil speaking people by non Tamil speaking people of that era. This substantiate the stands of Mr. Subramaniam swamy and Mr. Rajiv Malhotra ji that the DNA of all Indian are one thereby negate the Aryan Dravidian divide which was spread by people having vested interest.
@pappug53193 жыл бұрын
@நாகராஜ ஐயர்- சேர பாண்டிய நாட்டு அந்தணன் bro but how will u show the different DNA ???
@sirfin4593 жыл бұрын
@நாகராஜ ஐயர்- சேர பாண்டிய நாட்டு அந்தணன் Vedas themselves are result of spiritual development of those pre Vedic cultures. Indus Valley Civilization, has many similarities with Vedic and Tamil cultures. Consider the Pashupati seal. All animals present around the figure are already mentioned in Rigveda as animals associated with Rudra.
@rafi.zamee20163 жыл бұрын
Such a wonderful discussion! Could you please also tell us a bit about the relationship between Tamil and other South Indian languages and Bengali?! There were many Buddhist scholars from Bengal such as Atish Deepankar. And the history of Bengali language is still vague. I would like to ask you to enlighten us on these topics
@ShivSidharthGowda3 жыл бұрын
... Precisely nothing much' Because Entire Bengali language ' largely influenced by Pali language n later Sanskrit' ... Then after by Muslim culture' ... But There was a Gauda' dynasty in Bengal (..pala) by 6th CE ... Shashanka was its famous king" May this Gauda(Gowda) dynasty had ' cultural relationships with then Karnataka' state .... Because even today The Gowda(Gauda) community in Mysore still commands " Secondly Karnataka is also largely influenced by Budha culture"
@rafi.zamee20163 жыл бұрын
@@ShivSidharthGowda Yes, I would hope so. I would expect there were some commercial activities between the 2 states. In Bengali language there are so many foreign words from Arabs, turkish, Dutch, portugese and even Japan because of the obvious commercial activities. There is a very few from Tamil and Telegu. For example: Chhele-Pile ....it's compound word made from 2 words "Chhele" which means son and "Pile" -probably a derivative from the tamil word "Pillei" which also means "son"/"daughter" . And yes, the buddhist dynasties in Bengal reigned for a long time until almost the year 1100 CE. They sponsored many missionaries to the south-east asian countries but it's not evident if they were sending missionaries to South India.
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
Bengali and oriya are closest to sanskrit. The variations from sanskrit are from the vedic shakhas(pratishakhya) pronunciation variations in that region. For eg the interchange of "v" and "b"
@vanisridhar55092 жыл бұрын
@@rafi.zamee2016 In Cholas period many tamilians setilled in Bengal. I think you too use similar surname like varma/barma.
@rafi.zamee20162 жыл бұрын
@@vanisridhar5509 I am not sure about Verma or Barma. But I am assuming "Barman" could be a derivation from this surname. And who does not know the infamous musical maestro from Bengal S.D.Barman?!
@lakshmisham.c.57535 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit is more developed by Kannada scholars Ramana, gonna, ragavanka, harihara, Pampa and many more. Kannada is as rich as Sanskrit.
@lakshmisham.c.57535 жыл бұрын
Ranna, honna.
@cosmicallyspeaking8715 жыл бұрын
@@lakshmisham.c.5753 ~ The interlinking of Bhashas (one Bhasha borrowing from the other & vice versa) has always been around; has always gone on for hundreds of thousands of years. Kannada has plenty of Samskrit(am) words, just like any other Bharatiya Bhasha because it had indeed originated from Samskrit(am). Bottom line is almost all the Bharatiya Bhashas have their origin in Samskrit(am), but as they developed, life progressed, just like cultural exchange, linguistical exchange has been taking place from ancient times and that's what needs to be recognized. It is pointless to argue 'my Bhasha is better than yours' or anything in those lines. Sanatana Dharma is as diverse as nature itself (Dharma IS nature) and every one of us, our Bhasha, our "Acharanas" have the rightful place in this nature. THAT'S what needs to be recognized.
@rsubhasify5 жыл бұрын
@@cosmicallyspeaking871 it looks like you are saying that first grammar will be defined and then natural languages like Kannada, Telugu, Marathi and Hindi will develop from language like Sanskrit.. how can this be true? In my opinion, natural languages takes 1000s of years to evolve and then rules i.e. grammar will be defined so as to communicate with the different dialects to make sense..people say Sanskrit is dead which is not true because no one spoke it as a natural language and that is why the name Sanskrit...people only spoke Prakrit i.e. natural languages...only thing is that Indian Prakrit languages are influenced by Sanskrit and similarly Sanskrit is heavily influenced by old languages of India like Tamil, Kannada, Pali etc
@cosmicallyspeaking8715 жыл бұрын
@@rsubhasify~ //it looks like you are saying that first grammar will be defined and then natural languages like Kannada, Telugu, Marathi and Hindi will develop from language like Sanskrit.// = ಗೌಡರೇ, I didn't say that. I was only responding to the above statement " Samskrit is more developed by Kannada scholars....." All I said was, in spite of all the Bharatiya Bhashas being originated from Samskrit or Prakrit (or whatever you want to call it tomorrow), they have all borrowed words, vocabulary, ideas from each other, over the period of thousands of years. It is not just the Bhasha, but the Samskriti (cutlure) and "Acharanas" as well.
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
Subhash Gowda bro sanskrit was a mix of Pali and tmail.pali accpt s tamil is older but saying kannda and telgu older are lies.theynare just new languages
@rsubhasify5 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit is a codified or grammatical of Indian languages to enable communication between different countries within Indian subcontinent..so, natural languages like Tamil, Kannada etc should predate Sanskrit otherwise it is as good as saying that there was sanskrit language well before humans came which does not make sense....if not, then there is a chronology for Sanskrit and how it evolved which will disprove that it is not as old as natural i.e. Prakriti languages
@theinkbrain3 жыл бұрын
This video needed accompanying graphics. Even a blackboard would have helped.
@mindoxygen76955 жыл бұрын
Why can't we just consider Tamil and Sanskrit as twin brothers and move on, instead of fighting over which is older? What difference does it make today? A sheer waste of time!
@baskikeb4 жыл бұрын
Thats true.. but the so called aryan people always impose their own ideologies and language on dravidians ...
@ArunkumarHalan4 жыл бұрын
Good point..but you know ..there is no inscription found in Sanskrit..whereas there is Tamil Brahmi inscription all over India and also around World..why ma
@truedecors59414 жыл бұрын
Good and bad can't be brothers
@Siddhant_Dua4 жыл бұрын
You idiots are more interested in commenting and not listening to him.
@RaviKumar-ii6cb4 жыл бұрын
Because you are scared and not interested to explore the truth as you feel that it is not worth it.
@sivachitar65215 жыл бұрын
He says there in no Tamil in malayala Nadu. But I heard Malayalam is developed recently
@chanakyaniti28833 жыл бұрын
75% of Malayalam is samskritam.
@user-jw8yk9ki1r3 жыл бұрын
nidar manusya c mon it’s bull shit malaylam has so many dialects ! We can’t say exact ratio
@iafkan855g3 жыл бұрын
Tamil mixed with sanskrit to mischievously create a new language by the so called namboodri people who were intentionally migrated to settle in chera country to make a different language malayalam... Divide and rule policy since ages..
@mscreationworks57873 жыл бұрын
@@chanakyaniti2883 Sanskrit is foreign language from Russia
@Samteam153 жыл бұрын
When sanghis talk, only Bullshits fired from their mouths!
@anamikanath94785 жыл бұрын
Namaskarams, Tolkappiyar was such a great grammarian of Tamil and had not thought of Varga letters in Tamil. Why? Sir, can you pl.explain. Varga letters are found in almost all Indian languages other than Tamil. Because of its absence in Tamil, it is resulting in wrong pronunciation of Tamil words one by one. Which is very dangerous. In due course of time one by one all words will be replaced by other wrongly pronounced words. It will result not only in the loss of originality but also in the slow death of the Classic language. Sir, can you find a way to introduce Varga letters in Tamil. If you can please seriously think about it and bring about the changes.. Only then Tamil will be spoken with constantly correct pronunciation and will survive for ever. I do mention here few words. சால சிறந்தது.- It should be Chala Chirandhadhu- but people have wrongly pronounce this as Sala Sirandhadhu. Even in Telugu the word சால is there, but always they will say this as Chala only. It can never will be changed to Sala because of the varga letters சோறு - Choru has changed to Soru. Even in Malayalam this சோறு word is there. They can never change Choru to Soru because of the Varga letter. பாக்யம், is pronounced as Pakyam, Pakkiyam Whereas in Kannda they say it as Bhagyam because of Varga letters. You have mentioned Tolkappiyar himself has told to include Sanskrit words in Tamil. We too have so many Sanskrit names and words in Tamil but are pronounced wrongly because of lack of Varga letters. They keep name as Mahesh but will call as Magesh, Makesh and Shanmukham is called as Chammugam, sanmugam. Bhuvi as Puvi, Bhooma as Pooma, Booma, Bhama as Bama, Pama and Raghavan as Rahavan, Rakesh as Ragesh, Rahesh etc. But it will never happen in any other Indian languages because of Varga letters. Sir, it is high time people like you should put an end to these type of carelessly committing grave mistakes by the ignorant lot.
@suryanarayananaryan54584 жыл бұрын
But the thing is Tamizh is not lacking in any letters where pure Tamizh has to be written.. Only when Sanskrit comes this problems come.. All the names u mentioned r Sanskrit names.. Better to keep Tamizh pure we should avoid Sanskrit words and names and use Tamizh pure wrds and names.. Then we won't be in need of vargiya vyanjanas and all
@amritanshj3 жыл бұрын
@@suryanarayananaryan5458 , all regional languages of this nation are Praakrits including Telugu, Marathi, Odiyaa, Tamizh, Gujaraati, Kannada, Hindi, Maithili etc. None of them have joint letters. But all selected competent scripts so that joint letters can be written in them. But the proponents of Dravidian movement or pure Tamizh fellows deliberately removed all joint letters from the Grantham script to obtain the present day Tamizh script.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
This is the stupidest claims. Many aspirated sounds are redundant. Varga is not needed. A language is rich by creations and expressions in its medium. Tamil has Sangam, Bhakthi, 5 Great Epics (only 2 in Sanskrit), Books on Medicine by Siddhars, Music (all Indian systems are based on ancient Tamil notes sa ri ka ma pa tha ni)... Even to this day, Tamil has more root forms than all Indian languages.. This helps the language form new words and grow
@lakshyaagrawalhub98214 жыл бұрын
I read many of the comments underneath and found that in the country with so much of chaos where there are so many children who can't read or write any language they all are idiotically fighting to prove which language is older 😑😑😑😑 India does large number of stupid people "inko haath mai soney ka katora bhi pakdaden na tabbhi inko usmey bheekh hi mangna hai"
@vanshstalin14022 жыл бұрын
Where we can buy his books
@ranjandutta43894 жыл бұрын
Now we are united by our Vedic culture my tamil brethren, dump Stalin's DMK which wants to keep us divided
@alphafp4 жыл бұрын
Classical Tamil does not use Sa Re Ga Instead ku thu kai, based on animal sounds and it is called as kural thutham etc... when these sounds are pronounced it will resonates the “perfect pitch” of the note.
@rajeshpillaik2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I cant stop laughing at loud.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
The seven notes are sa, ri, ka, ma, pa, tha, ni ..indeed. The ancient music system of Tamil used notes without any aspirated sounds (never needed) .. Each of these notes had names that you are referring to..The pitch is progressing. It is baloney to hear from latecomers who talk about varga, and grantham (unnecessary for Tamil music and even Indian music)
@bharata54962 жыл бұрын
You are doing great work sir. I had a conversation with a Tamilian over Hindi imposition issue. I am pasting here. There are some people who are writing outrageous comments don't listen to them. No party in India endorses such things like they wanna eradicate Diversity. We want Unity in Diversity that's why there should be a language of Indians which is native and known to maximum people known to all people. People say why not English. First English is a foreign language and assume if situation arises that No Outsiders are being given jobs and second If India has to become a superpower then it Has to generate lots of opportunities which we have like there are many states deprived of Development and their are states which are developed so there is gonna be a time when developed states will have saturation in the no. Of jobs while a nom of jobs will be getting created in the developing states. In such scenario a person who is from other state eg. Andhra and he got a job in Bihar where max people don't know English so it will be great if they know a common language. I mean an Indian will have job opportunity in whole of India like Europe which has many different countries' with different languages but one common language helps them get job opportunity elsewhere. @TTagore you are contradicting yourself - you can accept English which is not a Dravidian language. Let's not get into Aryan And Dravidian languages. Let research clear that out. Are north Indians really Aryans or not cause a new Out of India Theory is emerging. If we go by your logic that If one wants to come south then study Dravidian, then if West a different language, north different language, north east another language. Remember we are talking about efficient conversation and a lot of people even today after 70 years are not profound in English. We need a language which can unite us all. That language will be decided after research completes. And Now about imposition, you are behaving like Only Tamilians are being imposed, you should be happy we are a democracy nobody can ever impose anything. Tamilians have created this complex that they are being neglected, not taken care of, are the greatest culture, infact behaving like a girlfriend who doesn't wanna adjust even a little bit but wants reverse imposition of Tamil on all. You know only Tamilians feel like that. No other state has this much of protest. Plz understand by not learning English and learning a native language with cOmmon language will make us strong as a Civilizational nation. There are forces who are exagerating this and exploiting our differences to break India. You might not know each language in India has a lot of pride. Language is a culture in every state. Like Tamils in Maharashtra we have Marathi, it is not one of the oldest language but we still have pride for it as much as Tamils have for Tamil and even after so many Hindi speakers in the state. There's no threat to Marathi we have preserved it very well. You should watch the movie " Mi Shivaji Raje Boltoy ". You believe that there are no Sanskrit speakers today right then it is a moral responsibility of you too to preserve it. So instead of Hindi we should Make Sanskrit as a Unifying Language. In this way, all native languages- Tamil, Kannada, Marathi , Gujrati everyone will be preserved and we will reduce our dependency on English. In this way your argument that why Hindi and why not Tamil will be achieved. Hindi will be preserved to UP, Tamil in Tamil Nadu and in similar way all other languages. Plus Sanskrit will again become a living Language. So I think Sanskrit is the Answer. I believe that India should have two language policy : One Civilizational Language Sanskrit and One Regional Language according to State. In This way we will be able to preserve Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil and all the languages. And if anyone wants to study English cause they want to go abroad in countries like UK, USA etc. Then they should join private classes of English just like people who want to go to Japan or Germany or France study Japanese, German and French. After all Bharat is a Civilizational State kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNBzjaVimd2lcYU.html Well u said you respect all languages but not Accepting Hindi and accepting Marathi. This statement is disrespectful towards language of UP brothers and sisters. Please don't do that. My reason for not Hindi is that it is yet another regional language and then it is very different from Southern States Languages and right when there already are 2 great languages Tamil and Sanskrit. Out of which Tamil already has a good enough amount of active speakers but just Sanskrit is dying. That's why Sanskrit I feel should be revived. Also the great texts of ours are in Tamil and Sanskrit so Both can be respected. So I feel Sanskrit is the answer. Here there is no question of Superiority or Inferiority of any language over other. Noticeable thing is that everyone fights in English only.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
They poured lead on a sudra person even hearing sanskrit. It is a useless language with many mythical claims. Let is died; it is already dead
@paranparai87314 жыл бұрын
Etymology of Sanskrit Sanskrit = Sans + Krit Sans < Sams < Samas < Samans < Saman < Samam (Refined) "Krit" which is the root for "Script" (Writting) Krit < Krith < Kirith < Kiruth < Kiruthu < Kiruku < Kirukal < கிறுக்கல் < கிறு + கல் < கீறு + கல் (கல்லில் கீறுவது - scribbling on rock - writing on rock/stone) கீறு < கீற் / கீர் / கிர் - it is the sound produced when we scribble on stone. Sanskrit = Samam+Kirukku = Refined script (of Prakrit language). Prakrit is the spoken language, whereas Sanskrit created for religious language.
@Celebrity_Planet4 жыл бұрын
Bro free ah vudu.... Enamo polambattum unmai oru naal veliya varum apo vaaila vanguvaanga
@handyman7147 Жыл бұрын
The divide was a clever creation of the European missionaries. The result is evident today.
@sauravchoudhary4133 жыл бұрын
A supremacist will keep on saying they are superior even when there is no evidence to support that. Are people saying Tamil is older than Sanskrit when unfortunately they have no evidence to prove it similar or not
@tamilarasum13033 жыл бұрын
Your modi even accepted Tamil is oldest in the world. www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/pm-modi-spills-his-admiration-for-worlds-most-ancient-language-tamil-during-mann-ki-baat.html
@titancodm10983 жыл бұрын
@@tamilarasum1303 did he mention He's Modi's?
@sauravchoudhary4133 жыл бұрын
@@tamilarasum1303 that’s called Politics naive 😄
@aryanchakraborty51754 жыл бұрын
Conclusion Sanskrit is Mother , Tamil is Father all other languages are Sons ,both languages originated from Shiva , sanskrit was taught to Kashyapa , Tamil to Agastya. Tamil Spread towards the east and Sanskrit Spread towards the west . All other countries can't accept the greatness of this land so they tried Create divide . Both the languages are great . BTW I have studied both Tamil and Sanskrit
@WanieVal3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i think its correct but its a mythology
@Samyu_N3 жыл бұрын
Please talk with scientific evidence and facts don't vomit PERVERTED Sanskrit myths. Sanskrit didn't even had a script to write till 4 CE note it is CE not BCE, it adopted devanagari script in 4 CE and started writing puranas like Ramayana Thiruvalluvar says all humans are equal (பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான் - திருக்குறள் 972) But in manusmriti manu discriminate people based on birth called Varna
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
@@Samyu_N Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@orphan93342 жыл бұрын
@@naiyayika lol..... hindi belt clowns will believe ur shits ....not us
@dhruvchouhan63052 жыл бұрын
Agastya has 25 compositions in the rig Veda. He also knew Sanskrit. Rig Veda is the oldest Sanskrit text
@aadhithyasridharan15165 жыл бұрын
Very much needed in today's political scenario especially in Tamil Nadu...Thank you PGurus and sree Iyer ji for doing this.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Nagaswamy's Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit: Dr. Nagaswamy was an eminent archeologist. He was solicited by Hindutva interests to make some forays in the linguistic area. The objectives seem to be clear; to establish that there is nothing independent of Sanskrit in Tamil, culturally and linguistically. He published two books in English to reach out to the North and the West. His first work, 'The Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit' is the first to consider in our review. Tamil had achieved classical status in the West. Exposure to ancient works starting from the Sangam era coupled with knowledge of Tamil and Sanskrit, great linguists like Late AK Ramanujan and Dr/Mrs. V.S, Rajam in the US, and Late Kamil Zvelebil in Hungary wrote articles and books on this subject. Antiquity is not the only requirement in the world of linguistics to attain classical status. For example, the Munda family of languages are older than Tamil and Sanskrit in India. The tribal elders lost writing and they never had control over a landscape to establish a literary tradition. The classical status also requires 'independent ethos expressed in literary form and independent grammar'. NS chose to attack the grammar and 'sentiments' expressed in Tamil. … NS had to also fit Tamil into a paradigm that is closer to Sanskrit. We know that Tamil's independent tradition has a lot of literary work that does not affiliate to caste, creed, or religion. He chose to pick Natya Sastra written later in the 4th century AD to draw a parallel to Tolkappiyar's poetic grammar. He tries to fit Bharatha Muni's work to Tolkappiyam that is more exhaustive and overwhelming for a non-linguist. yAppu is the structure of poetry starting from a grouping of letters - acai, sIr, and building line (adi) leading to thodai and a final finished poem -pAttu. These are very unique in Tamil. Without deeper study into structural poetry construction (yaaththal) one cannot analyze a pAttu ( a creation like veNpa). He concludes unwittingly an earlier work like Silappathikaram as work on dance-drama. He rules out the characters who are real heroes and heroines. There is a dance element of Mathavi in arangERRu kaathai that describes her performance. But Silappathikaram is not just a treatise on dance alone; it denotes places that we can relate to. It has many historical events. The biggest difference in ethos between Sanskrit and Tamil epics is also ignored; all Tamil epic heroes are neither kings nor religious people. They are all simple lay common men and women. The story of Cheran Senguttuvan is real and he chooses to ignore it. His conquest of the North is not something worthy of consider for NS. UV Saminathaiyer's exhaustive commentary tells all the descriptions of space, kings that were allies of the Cheran (in Central India)..and his entire conquest to get the stone (rock) from the Himalayan region. But that is all fine. The man gets caught in mapping structural Tamil poetry to the beauty elements of Natya compositions in Sanskrit. Sanskrit has a decorative element called yamakam. This is what our NS finds cool to use to generally fit the entire Tamil poetic landscape. Yamakam falls into aNi (alangkaar in skt). They are used in both words and meanings. It is a complex play of elements that can give rise to different (and wrong) interpretations if we are not familiar and well-versed. This yamaka(m) is seldom used in Tamil as a decorative element. Tamil fits this in its structural poetry. Something in dance performance this yamakam in Sanskrit can be a simple repetition. A scholar of Tamil grammar picked all NS's examples where he tries to fit the Sanskrit yamakam into Tamil and shows how it is part of the structure ( yAppu). …Where Naga made a childish conclusion and became a laughing matter is with Auwwai's poetry. He sees Sanskrit word repetition that is sometimes added for sound repetition - serves the same in Tamil. Auwwai's goal is always conveying meaning (poruL) in a direct way, not repeating, or doing a fancy dance. For more detailed reading, one can refer to TamilaNNal, SRM University
@andyhawkins79882 жыл бұрын
Can you please ask Dr.Nagaswamy to elaborate more about Vellalars and their history? That would be great
@75snambi2 жыл бұрын
Vellalar is equivalent to the varna sudra. Tholkappiam talks about 4 varnas as "arasanr, andanar, vanikar, vellalar".
@vanisridhar55092 жыл бұрын
@@75snambi @Nambi Sankaran 🧐 we Saiva vellalar are involved in temple management in Kerala, srilanka and Tamil Nadu. We are in FC. Majority of Alvares are vellalar's. "Aathina madangal" are in our control. How vellalar comes under suthra varna!! If vellalar's itself suthras means, what about other tamil communities!! Vellalar's, vokkaligas, vellamas are pure shaivites.
@75snambi2 жыл бұрын
@@vanisridhar5509 I know I was shocked too. but according to tholkappiam "velalar" is "shudra". the other three varna names are " arasar, andanar and vanikar".
@vanisridhar55092 жыл бұрын
@@75snambi vellalar represent agriculture not suthra. And Vellalas belong to Bhoo-Vysias category. Travancore Government Gazette classified the Vellalas as bhoo-Vaishyas. Vellalers are gangai vamsas and related to agathiyar. Velirs 🌾🌾.
@75snambi2 жыл бұрын
@@vanisridhar5509 Yes I understand. This is how it is classified now. but tholkappiam clearly calls out vellalar as shudra. btw, tholkappiam or varna ashrama dharma, don't have any notion of "higher" or "lower" varna. the "higher" and "lower" happened during colonial period beginning with Portuguese, enhanced by British and continued by present indian constitution, and government with the support of external academic and other forces. Indic literature is quite different from what we are made to believe.
@CheckYourHealthUS5 жыл бұрын
To Pgurus: Hope you take this in a positive way. In the comments below there are a few one from "Karthi k" , reading his posts and getting to the thread , he is very clearly an anti-Brahmin anti-Sanskrit bigot. He discredits the professor ONLY because Karthi has deduced the prof might be a Brahmin. However your response to him is poor. You guys are showing us light, you're spreading this great knowledge, why dont you engage him positively and constructively and not lose your temper. Guys like Karthi are the ones who vote for DMK who end up stealing temple funds/idols and sell them and abuse Hinduism. It is our duty to educate and sway even bigots like Karthi to a more rational , fact based position backed by knowledge and vote for Hindu centric parties which will improve TN and eventually our nation. - thanks
@kaviyarasan86413 жыл бұрын
Oh funny @Akupara, first of all, Nagaswamy born to Sanskrit pundit Ramachandran Sastrigal. He graduated in Sanskrit from the University of Madras and pursued a master's degree in Sanskrit. This same legend who accused Carbon(C14) dating is wrong which calculated the date of IVC, Sumerian, Egyptian, but he will accept Vedic civilization is 1500 BC without any evidence. If anyone asks how u came to conclusion on Vedic civilization, he told Max Muller told it, the fact is Max Muller never came to India and Muller also declared Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada are Dravidian language not related to Sanskrit but Nagaswamy's intellectual mind will not accept Max Muller in it. He also served as director of the archaeology of Tamilnadu, during his tenure, he excavated a site called Alakankulam in 1986 he dig only 11 points even after getting enough evidence he purposely closed the project never sent that evidence to any research. Even today no one knows where are those evidence. If anyone wants to know the history of India never listen to it from a brahmin for them everything starts from Veda's and ends in Ram temple, true they even tried to convert donkey to the horse in Indus valley but luckily the world is awake this time. I apologize if I hurt anyone, If u want to conduct a scientific study u should have an open mind. Think when Gallelio in 1663 said the world was spherical, then Vatican pope gave him the death penalty, but now in 1992, the Pope apologized in public. For the past few decades, there is a study to trace the first language of humans called Nostratic studies or world mother tongue studies by pan world linguistic researchers. According to it, all humans in the world spoke one language at a time, for this study our so-called Sanskrit intellectuals submitted their studies. As recent progress they were able to crack the roots of entire Indo-European(Sanskrit comes under it) language into 472 root words but they can't pull it back to 9000 years. The oldest Indo European language is Anatolia once spoken near turkey. Then comming to tamil go and search for relation between Indus Valley civilisation and tamil, from Iravatha Mahadevan IAS,"JOURNEY OF CIVILISATION INDUS TO VAIGAI" by Balakrishnan IAS these above two books are based on science and evidence not on any myth.Rakhigarhi is the answer for you guys,4500 year old woman DNA proves there is no link with steppes pastorals(aryan) haplogroup (R1A1),it matches with Ancestral South Indian (ASI) not with Ancestral North Indian(ANI),where this add up the indus valley civilisation developed flourished without vedas,sanskrit,aryans and without any vedic religious worship.Also search about Australian aborgins and Tamils relation. note:read it with open mind, passion to truth and without hattred.
@amritanshj3 жыл бұрын
@@kaviyarasan8641 , that is why there is not a single mention of river INDUS ( SINDHU ) in entire Tamizh Sangam texts. But the river Gangaa is definitely mentioned.
@amritanshj3 жыл бұрын
@@kaviyarasan8641 , that is why Tolkaapiyam mentions about 4 Varnas. Brahmin is called by a unique word in Tolkaapiyam. This word is not used for Brahmins in any state of the country except Tamil Naadu. This word is ANTANAR, ANDHANAR, ANTHANAR, ANDANAR. I have deliberately mentioned these 4 similar words because the present Tamil script has one letter for all 4 sounds ( TA, THA, DA, DHA ).
@kaviyarasan86413 жыл бұрын
@@amritanshj Because second urbanization started in Ganges valley in 5th century BCE. Most of Sangam literature is contemporary to that.There are many un identified river names in Sangam texts, why not anyone can be for Indus. You can see place name like Korkai, Vanji, Thondi ,cheravala,pandya , cholawala etc in today's Pakistan(google KVT complex) which are also present in Sangam text.Also google High west low east dichotomy of IV. Sangam text mentions clearly about flora and fauna of Himalaya, Thar deser, Kutch better than Sanskrit texts and it also talks more about cosmopolitan life and education to everyone which sanskrit text lacks.
@amritanshj3 жыл бұрын
@@kaviyarasan8641 , your Tamil texts mention Tenmadurai, Kavattam and present day Madurai as three different capitals of Paandyaas. But you will not mention it as you are a proud soldier of Maxmueller, Caldwell and William Jones.
@dusidusyanthan34544 жыл бұрын
Agasthiya muni( one of sabtha rsi) Created tamil. Agasthiya muni belongs to Vedic tradition. Sanskrit is mother of all languages
@Sathish_124 жыл бұрын
There are 5000 year old tamili inscriptions! show the proof of sanskrit inscription in any of the ancient civilization and tamil people will be happy to accept it😊
@karthikdon54 жыл бұрын
Agathiyar siddhar created Sanskrit and gave it to northies while agathiyar is Tamil origin, now bark Mr dusi maakkan
@dusidusyanthan34544 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit does not need help from tamil. Tamil need help from Sanskrit.
@karthikdon54 жыл бұрын
@@dusidusyanthan3454 oooh after destroying Tamil heritage this is how things became 😂 I knew the history don't teach me what's ancient and what's not...
@karthikdon54 жыл бұрын
Sanskrit doesn't have any speakers in masses or any archeological evidence to prove but brainwashed morons can whine all they want
@venkataramangopalan10152 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Prof. NAGASAMI SIR. HIS WORDS that Tamil Culture is nothing but Vedic Culture should be held aloft. But the Dravidian Elements changing all these to suit their ends are deplorable. Thanking Gurus for this Priceless gift.
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
An objective or an end goal is what many authors of ancient books and treatises aim for. Valluvar’s ideals are addressed to envisage a society where everybody is treated equally and not discriminated against on the basis of caste or creed. Valluvar calls for universal brotherhood, education for all, and poverty alleviation by charity and noble deeds. He builds a model citizen. The Dharma Sastras and Smritis have an objective to create and sustain a social order or hierarchy. Laws of Manu are prescribed with the objective to create an unequal society. The malaise of such a system is what we are faced with in spite of so many reformers. We conclude that we have two different perspectives of living and very little commonality between the two different literary traditions
@ulaganathanp29572 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid, with due respect, Dr Nagasamy, is contradictory, when initially he says Vada Sol means Sanskrit and Prakrutam and when he says later Vada Sol includes Telugu, Vadugu etc
@theeternal24 жыл бұрын
Natya Shastra of bharat written around 6000 BCE , Clearly says that India hace thousands of language in ancient times. But same culture. But tamilnadu politics will not tell you this to divide Indian people.
@sarojinichelliah55003 жыл бұрын
Should have listened more to my mother and talked more to her . I used to listen to her and so I can understand and speak Tamil . Thanks dear Mum.
@ulaganathanp29572 жыл бұрын
Tholgappiam traces the origin of Tamil, original Iyazh Tamil, Thisai Sol, Vada Sol etc and rules of Grammar in using other than Iyazh Tamil, like தற்பவம் and தற்சமம். But, it does not mean that Tholgappiar said we should use all such variants of the language. We should endeavour to speak the native language in its original form and wherever its usage is unavoidable, it should be used within the native grammatical structure of Tamil.
@user-ij5hm5cx6b4 жыл бұрын
Aasevagam was the religion followed by the Tamilians who were living in KUMARIKANDAM. KUMARIKANDAM is the area comprising of Tamilnadu, Srilanka and Australia as a one continent. This interview by these persons are not speaking the authenticity and scientific approach, many interpretations. Please read books by Ma. So. Victor and Mr Nedunchezhian. In fact Indus Valley civilization connected to Kezhadi excacavations. Still many interpretations in the interview. All the vedas, upanashids and Mahabharat were sourced from the Oldest Aasevagam /Tamilian language. Sanskrit was a language sourced from Tamil.
@gunashekharramanathan92244 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why he stops in and says it's Sanskrit word. What is his intentions behind it.
@VishnuwarathanThankaratnam4 жыл бұрын
He has been hired to promote Sanskrit
@deshvibhuti4 жыл бұрын
It is to show the cultural unity of Indian languages.
@kalaiyarasan74 жыл бұрын
You tell everything same by telling Tamil is from Sankrit. Wonderful. I don't understand why temple and god's in Tamilnadu not understanding Tamil
@AvinashKumar-vf2zj Жыл бұрын
We all Indians must find out the reasons to unite us all but not the reasons of division between us, as the anti Bharath/ Bharat forces precisely want conflicts. We may have some disagreements on any subjects but it can't be reasons of conflict.we must respect our diversity of language, traditions, attire etc. Yes we must have Research, debate , discussion to find out the reality. We have so long history that it can not be settled down instantly. After all these efforts I am sure we will get to know we all are one. We all are sons & Daughters of Mother India. Vande Mataram 🇮🇳🙏
@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg4 ай бұрын
3 . 34 Thol + kappu + iyam is tholkappium . which means a treatise ( iyam ) to protect ( kappu ) antiquity ( thol ) A great scholar cum polyglot by name Chattambi swamigal of kersala wrote a book called adhi bhasha in which he establishes that tolkappium was the fore runner for sanskrit grammar ashtadhyayi itself .
@TheJeyapradha4 жыл бұрын
Why modi told Tamil is older than sanskrit!!
@kartikkumar4464 жыл бұрын
He don't know about it he is stupid
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
He is working for brahmisn to promote snaskrit .dr idot
@sauravsouravi55903 жыл бұрын
@@user-jw8yk9ki1r so he told tamil is older than sanskrit to please brahmins.please grow up
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
World may call it German and Germany, but the native speakers call it Deutsch.
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
Your point? The whole of Deutschland speaks Deutsch unlike India, where every state has its native language together with its respective scriptures..
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
@@roserosarosen5637 If you don't get it, simply ignore it.
@LokeshKumar-tv9lm4 жыл бұрын
@@roserosarosen5637 correct madam
@roserosarosen56374 жыл бұрын
@@LokeshKumar-tv9lm Thanks ji 🙏
@tharunkumar2824 жыл бұрын
As per Dr. Nagaswamy himself in Tamil country the Sanskrit is referred as Vada Mozhi which means language of north. That means Sanskrit was originally from north India and Tamil and other south Indian languages developed on their own. In later period they got influenced by Sanskrit. Which proves Sanskrit is not mother of south Indian languages and only influenced Southern languages in later years. Tamil country was not part of Vedic culture. We can hardly find any reference to Vedic Gods in early Tamil Sangam literature. We can find few references in literature from 2nd Century AD. Which proves that Vedic culture also came to Tamil country along with Sanskrit. Tamil country became Vedic only after Bhakthi movement from 7th Century AD onwards with advent of Nayanmars and Alwars. Also he is wrong about saying Kerala was not part of Tamil Country. Kerala was part of Tamil Country until 10th Century AD, the language spoken was Tamil and there were lots of great tamil poets from Kerala during that time.
@TheRnathan323 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, Inscription of Sanskrit & Tamil need to be debated by ( Tamil & Sanskrit scholars) unfortunately this both hosts are Brahmins,,,,,,( at least Trivaluvar is was Tamil) thank you Sir,,, In addition to that, the latest finding in KEELADI in Tamil Nadu, has been kept secret by Central Gov of India,,, not knowing why,,, maybe for political reasons,,, Just queries, to be a such scholars. It’s important to clarify in details, absolute meaning of the word itself “ Tamil “ and “Sanskrit” first, and how it’s derived? by Iyer host as much he proclaimed the word “ Toolkapiyam” is Sanskrit ,,,,,
@kanthan3ppr3 жыл бұрын
Tamil and Samaskrutham, please understand that Sanskrit is not Samaskrutham.
@peterparker-pl8wt3 жыл бұрын
@@kanthan3ppr Samaskirutham is a Tamil word, in English is called Sanskrit. Both are same. Lol
@kanthan3ppr3 жыл бұрын
@@peterparker-pl8wt No they're not. Tamil is Tamil no matter what the language is just as Samaskrutham. Sanskrit is derived from Samaskrutham and Tamil and written using the Devanagari script. Sanskrit is the base of all north Indian languages.
@peterparker-pl8wt3 жыл бұрын
@@kanthan3ppr how do you call Sanskrit in Tamil?
@kanthan3ppr3 жыл бұрын
@@peterparker-pl8wt You're missing the point here, you should do your own research. Sanskrit would be Sanskrit no matter what language you speak.
@SantoshGairola5 жыл бұрын
Excellent talk! Can I conclude that both words Dravid and Tamil come from the Sanskrit/Prakrit word Dramida/द्रमिडा?
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
You can conclude dinosaurs spoke Sanskrit.
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
Santos Gairola ji, based on this video yes it can be adduced to that..Namaskaaram 🙏
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
@@roserosarosen5637 You are insulting sanskrit by extending that credit to Thamizh.
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
@@roserosarosen5637 slum or posh doesn't matter, Thamizh is alive and kicking unlike sanskrit which is dead and administered CPR.
@SantoshGairola4 жыл бұрын
@@iamDamaaldumeel Your are just a troll Dumil, while the good prof spent his life time researching this very subject. No, the Tamizh that you are speaking and old Tamizh are not same, if you talk of old language surviving. language evolve. That way we can simply conclude Sanskrit (again Vedic and classic are not same) also evolved in so many other, from Kashmiri to Oriya/Assamese; and guess what 40%+ of Tamizh vocabulary. You are barking up the wrong tree. English, stupid, English is killing Tamizh; not Sanskrit.
@maheswaraprasanna13305 жыл бұрын
His theory has flaws. I think he already decided that Sanskrit is the mother of all languages and done his research. Now archeological dna test on Indus Valley proved that it’s more close to South Indian people. If we watch closely even now all South Indian languages resembles old Tamil. In north it’s Prakrit until Ashoka . If Sanskrit spoken by predominantly in India why people spend in developing other language. Where r the people who speak Sanskrit as mother tongue now. First Sanskrit archeological evidence is in AD. There is a archeological evidence in palani hills in old Tamil scripts which u guys call brahmi which is older than Prakrit atleast by 200 years. Why can’t all these works copied from tamil to Sanskrit at later date.
@navinbobby54605 жыл бұрын
@Krish Sriram Thanks for that wonderful clarification.
@iamDamaaldumeel5 жыл бұрын
@Krish Sriram Grantha is not a language. It is a script to write sanskrit. And it is not Tamil grantha.
@AbhishekYadav-ue6yi4 жыл бұрын
Sans is oldest as vedas are written in Sans... and Sans is superior than Tamil..even I would say its insult of sans if you compare such a ancient language with any other language
@revanthsai85024 жыл бұрын
Excavations founds in gujarat and in tamil nadu have same inscriptions on them and some excavations found in tamil nadu had tamil brahmi script whereas the inscriptions found in both languages had a close relationship with sanskrutam language.
@Sathish_124 жыл бұрын
@@AbhishekYadav-ue6yiwho wrote the vedas?
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Nagaswamy's Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit: Dr. Nagaswamy was an eminent archeologist. He was solicited by Hindutva interests to make some forays in the linguistic area. The objectives seem to be clear; to establish that there is nothing independent of Sanskrit in Tamil, culturally and linguistically. He published two books in English to reach out to the North and the West. His first work, 'The Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit' is the first to consider in our review. Tamil had achieved classical status in the West. Exposure to ancient works starting from the Sangam era coupled with knowledge of Tamil and Sanskrit, great linguists like Late AK Ramanujan and Dr/Mrs. V.S, Rajam in the US, and Late Kamil Zvelebil in Hungary wrote articles and books on this subject. Antiquity is not the only requirement in the world of linguistics to attain classical status. For example, the Munda family of languages are older than Tamil and Sanskrit in India. The tribal elders lost writing and they never had control over a landscape to establish a literary tradition. The classical status also requires 'independent ethos expressed in literary form and independent grammar'. NS chose to attack the grammar and 'sentiments' expressed in Tamil. … NS had to also fit Tamil into a paradigm that is closer to Sanskrit. We know that Tamil's independent tradition has a lot of literary work that does not affiliate to caste, creed, or religion. He chose to pick Natya Sastra written later in the 4th century AD to draw a parallel to Tolkappiyar's poetic grammar. He tries to fit Bharatha Muni's work to Tolkappiyam that is more exhaustive and overwhelming for a non-linguist. yAppu is the structure of poetry starting from a grouping of letters - acai, sIr, and building line (adi) leading to thodai and a final finished poem -pAttu. These are very unique in Tamil. Without deeper study into structural poetry construction (yaaththal) one cannot analyze a pAttu ( a creation like veNpa). He concludes unwittingly an earlier work like Silappathikaram as work on dance-drama. He rules out the characters who are real heroes and heroines. There is a dance element of Mathavi in arangERRu kaathai that describes her performance. But Silappathikaram is not just a treatise on dance alone; it denotes places that we can relate to. It has many historical events. The biggest difference in ethos between Sanskrit and Tamil epics is also ignored; all Tamil epic heroes are neither kings nor religious people. They are all simple lay common men and women. The story of Cheran Senguttuvan is real and he chooses to ignore it. His conquest of the North is not something worthy of consider for NS. UV Saminathaiyer's exhaustive commentary tells all the descriptions of space, kings that were allies of the Cheran (in Central India)..and his entire conquest to get the stone (rock) from the Himalayan region. But that is all fine. The man gets caught in mapping structural Tamil poetry to the beauty elements of Natya compositions in Sanskrit. Sanskrit has a decorative element called yamakam. This is what our NS finds cool to use to generally fit the entire Tamil poetic landscape. Yamakam falls into aNi (alangkaar in skt). They are used in both words and meanings. It is a complex play of elements that can give rise to different (and wrong) interpretations if we are not familiar and well-versed. This yamaka(m) is seldom used in Tamil as a decorative element. Tamil fits this in its structural poetry. Something in dance performance this yamakam in Sanskrit can be a simple repetition. A scholar of Tamil grammar picked all NS's examples where he tries to fit the Sanskrit yamakam into Tamil and shows how it is part of the structure ( yAppu). …Where Naga made a childish conclusion and became a laughing matter is with Auwwai's poetry. He sees Sanskrit word repetition that is sometimes added for sound repetition - serves the same in Tamil. Auwwai's goal is always conveying meaning (poruL) in a direct way, not repeating, or doing a fancy dance. For more detailed reading, one can refer to TamilaNNal, SRM University
@mdvv63122 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏💐💐It is for their survival that Dravidian Parties are pushing this Dravidian Model Politics not knowing that in a couple of centuries when their generations are gone, concept of Dravidian or Dravidam will also PERISH.
@ArunkumarHalan4 жыл бұрын
Mr Naga, after Keezhadi evacuation, Tamizh Brahmi is much older than Ashoka Brahmi by 500 years...so Tamizh is old and primitive.. simple logic
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@srilakshmivilas45895 жыл бұрын
Point 1. Yes Tamil is developed as dramatic script from Sanskrit.
@indianmilitary5 жыл бұрын
Tamil and malayalam are the oldest "kaliyuga" languages (originated around 4000 BC). Before kaliyuga, there was just sanskrit.
@srilakshmivilas45895 жыл бұрын
@@indianmilitary What about Telugu, Master of Languages?
@mauktikkul68455 жыл бұрын
@@srilakshmivilas4589 no point in arguing about languages, we need to focus on how to bring Tamil and Sanskrit into mainstream masses
@srilakshmivilas45895 жыл бұрын
@@mauktikkul6845 correct.
@pradeepjhenry5 жыл бұрын
@@mauktikkul6845, fk Sanskrit it's not an Indian language..
@sanjeevjboss Жыл бұрын
Finally some OBJECTIVITY and NO VENOM from a Tamilian about the historical position of Tamil !
@jjj0nathan2 жыл бұрын
so much knowledge is lost when someone is no longer there, so much have been lost over thousands of years,
@jokerraj8434 жыл бұрын
Worst archeology department man India ever produced is this man nagaswamy
@gopinathramaraj70455 жыл бұрын
Historical evidence found during excavations in Keeladi near Madurai is significant, which negates these kinds of commentary that Tamil culture is originated from Vedic literature. The culture that flourished in that area, was more civilized and older than the Indus Valley civilization, which was considered to be the oldest one until Keeladi was found. The most crucial point noted from the evidence is that those people practiced ancestral worship, and there ere no religions practiced. But Vedic civilization practiced, patronages the Hindu religion. It is evident that Tamil civilization which flourished on the banks of Vaigai river is 2200 year old based on the carbon dating done on those evidence found in keeladi near Madurai. Apart from the above, I am not clear on the reason for taking Tholkappiyam as a reference point for this discussion. I believe this discussion is for somebody's convenience who try to prove Tamil culture is based on Vedic civilization, which I strongly disagree with the Keeladi evidence.
@BaskarGurusamy5 жыл бұрын
Sorry I think this video talks about fact by mixing timeline and with very few fact too. eg ( India cricketer x hit century in a match and comment ends. This don't mean that match won or lost . Or performance of others and their impact) This video is a view but not conclusion. It is not talking about why such a great language didn't had written form & suddenly adapted a script in 4-6 century CE and also why all the references of sankrit literature were written only in 4-12 century CE timeframe. If language like Tamil takes this approach then they have to claim 20000+ year of age as it has clear evolution of written form and sites found all over the world and almost all the places in india. In fact no. of inscription found in India very high compare to any other cultures in India. Please don't share any conclusion summary without detail speech. Iam writing the comments in English doesnt mean that English is a classic language. I request media to also read discliamers on summary message as it is done in few mins and with single person reference.
@1996warman5 жыл бұрын
@@BaskarGurusamy that is because, Vedic Sanskrit and Classical Sanskrit are different. Okay let's analyse the existing data we have. Vedas, especially Rig Veda, were composed around 1500BC. Why is it dated so? It is because of the geography, society of the nature book describes(river Saraswati, no ganga) matches with historical and geological functions. We find later vedas too being composed around 1200-800 BC. Next comes the Buddhist time. We come to know Sanskrit was used only for rituals and Prakrit used for talking. We also know written inscriptions arise almost simultaneously in South and North( Ancient Tamil in South, Prakrit in North). We have no proof where it originated. What next happens is around 1st century Ad, again there is a revival in so-called Classical Sanskrit, with Sanskrit inscriptions found even in TamilNadu. There are also hints Sanskrit might be an artificial language like current day Hindi is. If you know history of Hindi, you will know it is just a standarisation of a particular dialect that was imposed across the population. The key thing is naming..you can say Rig Veda is not actually Sanskrit, as it differs much from classical Sanskrit. But then Tamizh too has evolved from 3-4th century BC. I bet, a native Tamil layman(one who hasn't studied classical Senthamizh) can understand Kannada or Malayalam more than he understands 1st century BC Tamil. Then what is basis of calling that language "Tamizh". Reason is identity. Same with Sanskrit.
@1996warman5 жыл бұрын
@gopinath, once upon a time, people said Dravidians are real ancestors of Indus Valley Civilization, next came up with Kumari Kandam theory, now Keeladi theory? Now which is true? Okay, let's assume Keeladi is very old and no traces of Vedic religion is found. So, what, can you claim all people in TamilNadu are exact descendants of those ppl found in Keezhadi? Or do you have evidence that DNA of excavations found at Keezhadi are different from that of, those found at say Rakhigiri? Leave past, forgetting dress code, how many of you can successfully distinguish Tamilians from Telugus physically? Or Telugus and Marathis? What does it mean? It means all language groups in India are so much mixed that no one claim exclusively different way of life and culture.
@Samteam155 жыл бұрын
A code language without native speakers, women speakers & a territory first it loses the status of being a mother tongue then it loses its status to be language of the masses.
@1996warman5 жыл бұрын
@Bot 27 ohhoo, then what's the true history. History is not binary.. Like it's wrong to say all Indians or Hindus belonged to a single uniform race. But it is also wrong to say all language based ethinicities were different races and no interaction ever happened. We can have only clues. Let's see what further excavations and DNA matching across archaeological sites in India shows us.
@saravanas9239 Жыл бұрын
This dialogue is designed to say that Tamil literatures are from Sanskrit with out any concrete evidences. Please bring Tamil scholars in the session along with Sanskrit and discuss or debate than just speaking without concrete info
@kanthan3ppr3 жыл бұрын
So the word Dravida was used by the Aryans of the north to refer to the Tamils of the south, the Tamils have never called themselves Dravidians. This is still prevalent today, where the north try to impose it's language and culture on the south. Tamil and Samaskrutham are very much vedic language of the ancient India.
@sureshnair94275 жыл бұрын
He is a national treasure .Amazing man .
@pradeepjhenry5 жыл бұрын
He's a fraud n lier..
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
@@pradeepjhenry You're delusional 😂✌
@roserosarosen56375 жыл бұрын
Suresh Nair Anna you've said it right !
@pradeepjhenry5 жыл бұрын
@@roserosarosen5637, 😂😂
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
Cuz he is a slave to brhamkns.ungusy really now setting up people to shame tamils.podo punde makal
@alphafp4 жыл бұрын
If there is no aryan invasions then can anyone explain the genetic variation between ANI and ASI
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
Aryans came in small numbers (mostly men) married our women. Their language was Vedic and closer to Iranian Avestan. Skt developed in India from Vedic and after contacting Tamil and many dravidian languages
@kpmkpm13th Жыл бұрын
Why does one needed to use Bhavam when there is a Tamil word to denote that meaning called Unarvu?
@ulaganathanp29572 жыл бұрын
Again, I am unable to subscribe to the view that Senthamizh is the ancient classical Tamil spoken in Cauvery delta. Classical Tamil language that originated and thrived in Sangam. Sangam had it's home in Pandya kingdom. Three Sangams were established in different places in Pandya kingdom, the last being Madurai, and the classical Tamil of Sangam period should be ascribed to the territorial region of southern Tamilnadu, especially Madurai.
@ranganathans4205 жыл бұрын
We admire the great work of Dr Nagasamy on Tirukural and Vedas, Hope soon the people of TN will support Modiji to make the state free from dynastic, corruption rich governance that promote nothing but hatred and negativity.
@RaviKumar-ii6cb4 жыл бұрын
Impossible for another 5 to 10 years. Because BJP Tamilnadu unit is useless. Their main leader Tamilarasi left the party and became the governor of Andhra Pradesh. Now only 2 people are managing the BJP state unit of Tamilnadu.Pon Radhakrishnan and H. Raja. Beyond making some speeches both of them do not have a vision for Tamilnadu and are also clueless about how to make BJP a party with a difference in Tamilnadu
@banklootful Жыл бұрын
. I am a Brahmin and also a Tamil scholar. The fellow's Tamil scholarship is pathetic. I am ashamed that he is an uncouth lair. Nagaswamy's Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit: Dr. Nagaswamy was an eminent archeologist. He was solicited by Hindutva interests to make some forays in the linguistic area. The objectives seem to be clear; to establish that there is nothing independent of Sanskrit in Tamil, culturally and linguistically. He published two books in English to reach out to the North and the West. His first work, 'The Mirror of Tamil and Sanskrit' is the first to consider in our review. Tamil had achieved classical status in the West. Exposure to ancient works starting from the Sangam era coupled with knowledge of Tamil and Sanskrit, great linguists like Late AK Ramanujan and Dr/Mrs. V.S, Rajam in the US, and Late Kamil Zvelebil in Hungary wrote articles and books on this subject. Antiquity is not the only requirement in the world of linguistics to attain classical status. For example, the Munda family of languages are older than Tamil and Sanskrit in India. The tribal elders lost writing and they never had control over a landscape to establish a literary tradition. The classical status also requires 'independent ethos expressed in literary form and independent grammar'. NS chose to attack the grammar and 'sentiments' expressed in Tamil. … NS had to also fit Tamil into a paradigm that is closer to Sanskrit. We know that Tamil's independent tradition has a lot of literary work that does not affiliate to caste, creed, or religion. He chose to pick Natya Sastra written later in the 4th century AD to draw a parallel to Tolkappiyar's poetic grammar. He tries to fit Bharatha Muni's work to Tolkappiyam that is more exhaustive and overwhelming for a non-linguist. yAppu is the structure of poetry starting from a grouping of letters - acai, sIr, and building line (adi) leading to thodai and a final finished poem -pAttu. These are very unique in Tamil. Without deeper study into structural poetry construction (yaaththal) one cannot analyze a pAttu ( a creation like veNpa). He concludes unwittingly an earlier work like Silappathikaram as work on dance-drama. He rules out the characters who are real heroes and heroines. There is a dance element of Mathavi in arangERRu kaathai that describes her performance. But Silappathikaram is not just a treatise on dance alone; it denotes places that we can relate to. It has many historical events. The biggest difference in ethos between Sanskrit and Tamil epics is also ignored; all Tamil epic heroes are neither kings nor religious people. They are all simple lay common men and women. The story of Cheran Senguttuvan is real and he chooses to ignore it. His conquest of the North is not something worthy of consider for NS. UV Saminathaiyer's exhaustive commentary tells all the descriptions of space, kings that were allies of the Cheran (in Central India)..and his entire conquest to get the stone (rock) from the Himalayan region. But that is all fine. The man gets caught in mapping structural Tamil poetry to the beauty elements of Natya compositions in Sanskrit. Sanskrit has a decorative element called yamakam. This is what our NS finds cool to use to generally fit the entire Tamil poetic landscape. Yamakam falls into aNi (alangkaar in skt). They are used in both words and meanings. It is a complex play of elements that can give rise to different (and wrong) interpretations if we are not familiar and well-versed. This yamaka(m) is seldom used in Tamil as a decorative element. Tamil fits this in its structural poetry. Something in dance performance this yamakam in Sanskrit can be a simple repetition. A scholar of Tamil grammar picked all NS's examples where he tries to fit the Sanskrit yamakam into Tamil and shows how it is part of the structure ( yAppu). …Where Naga made a childish conclusion and became a laughing matter is with Auwwai's poetry. He sees Sanskrit word repetition that is sometimes added for sound repetition - serves the same in Tamil. Auwwai's goal is always conveying meaning (poruL) in a direct way, not repeating, or doing a fancy dance. For more detailed reading, one can refer to TamilaNNal, SRM University
@astroari5 жыл бұрын
Better listen to Dr Nedunchezhian speeches.
@bharathia.s75414 жыл бұрын
Give KZfaq link
@gigglypuff35893 жыл бұрын
Who is he?
@naiyayika2 жыл бұрын
He's Tamil. I won't listen to tribals.
@saurabhbhadoria3299 Жыл бұрын
13:09 that's why shiksha is one of the vedanga
@MM-dh3wr3 жыл бұрын
உண்மை என்கிற வார்த்தை சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் கிடையாது. எந்த மொழியிலும் கிடையாது.. மெய்\பொய் (true/false; सत्य/ असत्य sath(sathyam)/asath) தான் உண்டு. அதற்கு எதிர் பதமும் கிடையாது. நரம்பில்லா நாக்கு நாலும் சொல்லும். அதற்காகவே தமிழ் வழிபாடு தேவை. ஒழுக்கம் என்கிற வார்த்தை சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் கிடையாது. எந்த மொழியிலும் கிடையாது. கடவுள்(கடந்த உட்பொருள்) என்கிற வார்த்தை சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் கிடையாது.பிரம்மன் என்பத அறிவ சார்ந்த பொருள். வேதத்தில் உள்ளது தேவர்கள்\தேவாஸ். உண்மை, ஒழுக்கம் இல்லாத ஒன்று மந்திரமல்ல, தந்திரமே. உண்மை , ஒழுக்கம் இல்லாத மொழியில் இருக்கிற மந்திரம் தந்திரமே.
@lovepeace78903 жыл бұрын
He is the biggest liar I have ever seen. He never dared to debate with any Tamil scholar. Sanskrit is just a branch language od Tamil.
@avin29113 жыл бұрын
You are a biggest fool Still stuck in conspiracy
@lovepeace78903 жыл бұрын
@@avin2911 It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
@Anime_raven3 жыл бұрын
@@lovepeace7890 which god u worship
@Anonymous-pj1xk4 ай бұрын
Incorrect. Vedic Sanskrit is first attested around 1400 BCE, this is confirmed by contemporaneous Mittani Aryan. The earliest Tamil literature is from only 300 BCE. On the other hand, Hittite is attested as early as 1700 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek as early as Vedic Sanskrit. Tamil doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the date of earliest attestation. BTW, do you know The oldest grammar form of Tamil itself has Sanskrit Name and first chairman of Sangam, Agastya too has a Sanskrit name? Even if I take this argument that 90% of Sanskrit words have Tamil origin then will you pl enlighten how despite being non Indian Sanskrit did had such origin for max words. Where the Tamils of those days sending packets of words to Europe with Pegion?
@upen909914 жыл бұрын
Excellent wisdom on tamil. Great feel on seeing this discussion. Like to meet you ayya.
@TheJeyapradha4 жыл бұрын
In kerala, karnataka, andra what language people spoke at old ages
@user-jw8yk9ki1r4 жыл бұрын
Jeyapradha P they were tamil peopel there then after pandyas fall and british came all tsmil people came to live under one state and peopel form north stated to migrate and form new language
@gkprasath894 жыл бұрын
Tamil
@gam38273 жыл бұрын
All over people spoke samskritam and prakritam (prakritam was derived from sanskrit) . Tamil also has so many prakritam words
@user-ig9fn1mo4h3 жыл бұрын
sanskrit
@thusharasurajith47742 жыл бұрын
Manipravalam,Manipravalam മണിപ്രവാളം (macaronic) was a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in South India, which used an mixture of Sanskrit and Tamil. Mani-pravalam literally means ruby-coral, with Tamil referred to as ruby and Sanskrit as coral. Malayalam originated from Manipravalam. According to Kerala sahithya academy Malayalam consist of 70% Sanskrit words.
@kanivimalanathan15373 ай бұрын
சின்ன மனிதன் பெரிய மனிதன் செயலைப் பார்க்க சிரிப்பு வருது. நான் படவில்லை, யாரோ பாடியது.
@podangadubukus4 жыл бұрын
Most of the facts shared are very well known ... I am recollecting my readings almost 10 years back
@GuruPrasad-nx1to4 жыл бұрын
This should be made in Tamil for our misguided youth. This is now viewed by the elite few.
@v.muralidharan32382 жыл бұрын
எனக்கு வந்த அருமையான ஒரு பதிவு........ தமிழ்நாடு என்று அண்ணா-தான் பெயர்வைத்தார். _தமிழக முதல்வர். (தினத்தந்தி செய்தி 19-07-2022) (Tamilnadu Day On 18 July 1967) அண்ணா பிறந்தது Born: 15 September 1909, Kanchipuram Died: 3 February 1969, Chennai பாரதியார் பாட்டு எழுதியபோது அண்ணாத்துரைக்கு -4- வயது இருக்கும் என்று நினைக்கிறேன்... மகாகவி சி. சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதியார் பிறந்தது Born: 11 December 1882, Ettaiyapuram Died: 12 September 1921, Triplicane, Chennai. செந்தமிழ் நாடெனும் போதினிலே - இன்பத் தேன் வந்து பாயுது காதினிலே - எங்கள் தந்தையர் நாடென்ற பேச்சினிலே - ஒரு சக்தி பிறக்குது மூச்சினிலே. வேதம் நிறைந்த தமிழ்நாடு - உயர் வீரம் செறிந்த தமிழ்நாடு - நல்ல காதல் புரியும் அரம்பையர் போல் - இளங் கன்னியர் சூழ்ந்த தமிழ்நாடு காவிரி தென்பெண்ணை பாலாறு - தமிழ் கண்டதோர் வையை பொருனை நதி - என மேவிய யாறு பலவோடத் - திரு மேனி செழித்த தமிழ்நாடு முத்தமிழ் மாமுனி நீள்வரையே - நின்று மொய்ம்புறக் காக்குந் தமிழ்நாடு - செல்வம் எத்தனையுண்டு புவிமீதே - அவை யாவும் படைத்த தமிழ்நாடு நீலத் திரைக்கட லோரத்திலே - நின்று நித்தம் தவஞ்செய் குமரிஎல்லை -வட மாலவன் குன்றம் இவற்றிடையே - புகழ் மண்டிக் கிடக்குந் தமிழ்நாடு கல்வி சிறந்த தமிழ்நாடு - புகழ்க் கம்பன் பிறந்த தமிழ்நாடு - நல்ல பல்விதமாயின சாத்திரத்தின் - மணம் பாரெங்கும் வீசுந் தமிழ்நாடு வள்ளுவன் தன்னை உலகினுக்கே - தந்து வான்புகழ் கொண்ட தமிழ்நாடு - நெஞ்சை அள்ளும் சிலப்பதி காரமென்றோர் - மணி யாரம் படைத்த தமிழ்நாடு சிங்களம் புட்பகம் சாவக - மாதிய தீவு பலவினுஞ் சென்றேறி - அங்கு தங்கள் புலிக்கொடி மீன்கொடியும் - நின்று சால்புறக் கண்டவர் தாய்நாடு விண்ணை யிடிக்கும் தலையிமயம் - எனும் வெற்பை யடிக்கும் திறனுடையார் - சமர் பண்ணிக் கலிங்கத் திருள்கெடுத்தார் - தமிழ்ப் பார்த்திவர் நின்ற தமிழ்நாடு சீன மிசிரம் யவனரகம் - இன்னும் தேசம் பலவும் புகழ்வீசிக் - கலை ஞானம் படைத் தொழில் வாணிபமும் - மிக நன்று வளர்த்த தமிழ்நாடு தமிழ்நாடு என யார் பெயர் வைத்தார்கள் என்று மக்கள் முடிவுக்கு விட்டுவிடுகிறேன்…
@sirfin4593 жыл бұрын
The heritage of India is in these two languages. It's important to preserve both. Tamil remains to be an active tradition while Sanskrit is dying. It's time to revive Sanskrit and unite it with Tamil as a divine language of our scripture. The Vedas are in Sanskrit, the basis of our culture. Not to mention the diverse Tamil scripture like Periya Purana, Tevaram, Tirumantiram and Tirukurral. If we wish to unite Hinduism, we have to bring to an end this Aryan, Dravidian divide and Tamil and Sanskrit divide.
@titancodm10983 жыл бұрын
Finally some meaningful comment on this pileful of shit. What if they're different? We shall unite for peace.