Beautifully described complexity in an understandable language. The power points helped. Pleasure to listen to. Thanks.

This was so informative. Thank you, Richard.

Romans 2000 yrs ago were ahead of Christians today.. palms forehead

Fabulous! I haven't had a video take my breath away in ages... The scrabble bag of letters quote is astonishing. The creationists haven't progressed in 2 millennia - instead they consigned Europe to centuries of squalid misery. This reminds me of Ricky Gervais in an interview where he said if we wiped out everything we know and believe now... we would not get the same religions because they are just imagined but we would get the same science because that is real and it would be rediscovered. I'm definitely going to buy those book when they come out :-)

Dr. Carrier is my hero.

Carrier's sense of humor is marvelous.

Lately I had been thinking Christianity may have played a important role in the development of the west and the modern world but I think it has just been holding us back and we started to develop after we started to take the Bible and Christian doctrine less seriously.

No animals have (naturally grown) wheels that they move around on. Why? Because a wheel-and-axle structure IS "irreducibly complex" in the sense described here; a partially-formed wheel is useless. So wheels didn't evolve. But eyes did (several times), and flagelli did, because partially-formed ones are, in fact, useful.

this guy is amazing

Awesome! Thanks Dr. Carrier!

The state of our evolution, both materially and spiritually, is from our prior naivety to the present one. Mr. Carrier's at very least cognizant of the great difference between honest scientific methodology and the self-fulfilling conjectures of rubber-stamp belief... thankfully.

Intelligent Design = Argument from Ignorance Fallacy.

Didn’t refute the basic premise. Is a fundamental single cell organism irreducible. Personally I don’t take a religious view on this but I think it shows that evolution has some unanswered questions

Gods are obsolete

Richard is a wonderful historian, but he is actually a bit over his head on this one. For one thing, his understanding of Darwin is largely limited to neo-Darwinism. I would note to that his comments on monkeys and typewriters show a surprisingly limited understanding of the statistics involved. Surprising because he seems to have a sound grasp of statistics in his other videos, but not so regarding monkeys and typewriters.

I cringed when he talked about 'rust' on bronze gears. Bronzes & brasses are much better materials for precision gears than iron. Only iron can rust, so using the more general 'corrosion' would have been more accurate. A quibble, perhaps, since it does not alter the validity of the general arguments.

The universe was well underway before we arrived , stars being born, stars dying, just energy moving,this constant movement is the reason there,s change, very simple.

A striking fact involving religion is the high number of Laureates of the Jewish faith-over 20% of total Nobel Prizes (138); including: 17% in Chemistry, 26% in Medicine and Physics, 40% in Economics and 11 % in Peace and Literature each. Of Nobel Prize winners 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards. Atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers comprise 10.5% of total Nobel Prize winners.

Nice talk! I've been reading up for a video on a similar topic. Surprisingly, Darwin actually outlined the scaffolding principle in chapter 6 of Origin, but he didn't name the process. He talks about lungs evolving in the presence of gills and then gills evolving away in land animals.

Note: Recent discoveries suggest that life began earlier. Not 2.4 billion, but 2.7 billion years ago.

Richard, 4 billion years of single cell evolution is also our evolution, since multi-celled critters were evolved from single-celled critters. (plant = critter for this) So it's not quite as big a difference. But still, a very good lecture. Thank you.

Every proposed example of irreducible complexity has been proven to be reducible.

Man puts his gods into his gaps.

Liked Carrier's speech, except he sounded like he was channeling the "church lady" from SNL.

Not so Mr.rationalguy. Jung and Nietzsche have shown that Christian contributions are significant if not indispensable, from the popularity of monasteries, where the experimental method began, to the desire for truthfulness, faith that God created a world based on discernible laws, etc. Even Descartes, founder of modern mathematics, began to believe in the successful quantification of reality according to mathematical law after seeing a vision of what he called "the Angel of Truth," who told him that mathematics is the foundation of the real. This at the Jesuit college at LeFleche. The notion that had Christianity been a total success we'd still be in the Dark Ages is part of the mythology of rationalism.

Not arguing with his statements, but holy voice cracks Batman.

His voice....

with God, all things are possible! Jesus is the Son of God. No matter how many books you read, how much knowledge you think you have, how perfected an accent you speak, you can never KNOW GOD unless He lets you. you haven't been invited and this is why you think like this. you are blind to the truth of God and you will never be able to figure it out, theorize through it, logically understand it, because you cannot read the white on the page! but if you ever think you would like to know the mystery, the real one, not made up by you or people like this. who talk big words, puffed up, elephant talk, if you want to know (from a pure heart), then just ask for Jesus to show you the way!

Tertullian's few words proposition probably stemmed from the fact that the more a Christian speaks regarding the sciences, the more said Christian reveals his ignorance

Maybe some of those in-the-closet atheist preachers, like those in the Clergy Project, could preach the ID of Galen to subvert the toxic anti-science message of creationists.

That was amazing

salt water corrosion not rust, it was built of bronze which does not rust but corrodes in salt water.

29:36 this is a much more compelling explanation as to why ID took such a deep foothold, arguing about muscle arrangement and kidney function is one thing, but until you can understand how cells carry information as to what their function will be and how they grow, trying to explain away intelligent design in a foetus is a real headache.

Great presentation! Min 15:40 Richard says that they had argument for infinite universe with infinite stars and planets orbiting them or stars orbiting planets. Can you please provide any source for his statement?

I don't know offhand what percentage of believers are above average intelligence, though I guess the majority aren't, especially if one goes by the notion that religion is a means of control. Therefore every piece of literature aimed at Christianity should have a very lay person account accompanying it. This way we can further any cause from the get go.

A video that was made in 2016 and it is neither HD nor widescreen? Come on guys.

The field of epigenetics is about what influences external to the DNA program controls the development of tissue in the fetus, for instance. What allows or causes stem cells to differentiate into tissues of different function, heart, brain, vertebrae, for example. What regulates or shuts off overdevelopment of various tissues? Is cancer programmed into our genetics or the propensity to get it under certain environmental conditions or triggers? All living organisms seem to have a lifespan - for what purpose? Is this to eliminate overpopulation or to eliminate aged organisms that cease to function optimally? The telomeres in all cells progressively get shorter with each mitosis (cell division), until the cells can no longer divide, and because of this complete organs can die off (possible explanation for such things as pancreatic malfunction and diabetes, and senile dementia with brain atrophy). It is fallacious to argue that a “benevolent and perfect God” would have avoided these defects in creation (our opinion), since that puts supreme focus on the importance of this 3-dimensional existence in the earth plane - when in fact, perhaps we (humans) are intended only to be cycled through this existence, and indeed an invisible soul body with consciousness and memory inhabits a temporary material body here. One has to ask then what is this earthly “pit stop” for, its purpose. Of course, material sciences cannot measure the invisible. The anecdotal “experiences” of persons under anesthesia, yet still having NDEs, are the only evidences we have for something which exists beyond the material world. I do not refute the process of selection for successful mutations, but we already know that certain energies and radiation (x-ray, proton and gamma rays, microwave) can change genetic arrangement in chromosomes. Is it a stretch to speculate that “God” or an intelligent designer used such energies to manipulate the genetic structure of individual organisms over time? Is it not possible to suggest that an intelligence could have influence over the material using such a tool to direct an evolutionary process? And if God is infinite mind and eternal, who are we to insist that God must create human individuals within the first few years of earth’s habitable existence, simultaneously with single celled critters? God can experiment as much as He (anthropomorphic I know) wants. Because it took time should not imply a designer is not involved. Show us all of the failed attempts to produce a viable human - or are these just too deep in the fossil stratum to dig out, as are the fossils of successful humans? Here’s a question for you. Why do we have certain species that reproduce sexually vs. asexually? What benefit is there to the requirement of having males that must copulate with females of the species? Why don’t human females merely spontaneously bear more female children, as in a process known as parthenogenesis? Wouldn’t that be much simpler a method for propagation of the species, rather than risking that males not be available for procreation? Exactly when did this more complex and frankly unnecessary method of copulation and gender differentiation evolve in humans? You want to tell me that was through natural selection? And because it assures diversity of the gene pool? I get the diversity thing as beneficial, but to suggest that sexual reproduction and that complexity merely happened via random selection over time is a difficult pill. It is far too complex and goes above and beyond what is required to sustain the species’ existence. That a male and female of the human species could have been in exactly the same location on earth at the same time to do the deed and even know what to do is HIGHLY improbable. Someone will probably propose that human females produced litters of at least two children. One of the litter could have acquired the mutation to be a male, or at least a hermaphrodite. The mutated male individual might have died off before passing on his genetics. Parthenogenetic and or hermaphroditic females would have continued successfully and still be around today.

LIKE THE MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING KIND OF PICTURE RICHARD DOING A AFRICAN DANCE

Im shocked!Greeks guesed evolution :D

Wait a minute here, Galen. A skilled craftsperson makes something that you can't change *at all* without rendering it entirely useless, while it takes no special skill to make something that you can freely add and subtract stuff from and it still functions in some way? Somebody's got a bonkers idea of what a skilled craftsperson is, and I don't think it's me.

LONG LIVE T KING 👑👑 RICHARD CARRIER.

Jesus/God was/is a truly patriotic American that wants to Make America Great Again. Fact!

As far as we know, the majority of the followers of creation teachings are to be assigned to those who have to fill their lives with practical things. Or those who attach great importance to the study of sports activities. Or to the people who are so indifferent to having knowledge about how they can exist themselves. If you now assume that the same assumptions apply to those who are convinced evolutionists, we have a problem. For what happens when the indifference to their respective views turns into the certainty of the accuracy of their respective views? And they don't just smile at the others? When they despise each other because of their stupidity? What if the speakers of the respective idea call for the destruction of the unnatural in the form of their followers? We must find a solution to this problem. What are you going to do, Richard, when the people of Kentucky take over the US government, with all the powerful executive power? What if they lose patience with you and don't want to listen to you anymore? What if they close the borders so that those who preach the wrong can't flee? Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

The infinite monkeys on typewriters is a bogus analogy for evolution. Richard Dawkins explains that instead, if evolution's goal was somehow to write Shakespeare, monkey generations would slowly tend towards it. But like has been said, the argument is too far removed from evolution's ways.

Carrier's constant use of the word 'actually' is a little annoying.

The truth is, the Bible is allegorical, it is the book of history of humanity and the earth. According to the gospel of Luke, John the baptizer and Jesus Christ were born through angel Gabriel, a Spirit, therefore John and Christ are also Spirits. John represents religions/ beliefs (baptism in water) while Christ represents wisdom/ knowledge/understanding/reason/ education/science (baptism in spirit). They are in tandem and they are represented by churches and schools. God Almighty, our Creator, the most Powerful, the Invisible, the Alpha and Omega, the Eternal Energy, that creates, holds and transforms everything in the Universe/ Cosmos, gives us wisdom and energy so that we can be able to create things and strategies which we may utilise to enhance our ways of living, heal our sickness, make our society better and even to save lives. " Modern science/ technology is the fulfillment of the prophesy." Revelation 21-22 " Humans represent three major components, i.e., (Energy our Creator + Physical Body + Spirit/ Wisdom/Consciousness) = the Trinity. Humans represent the Trinity." This proves that God is always with us. " Understanding the true light 💡 we welcome the Real New World the New Happy Peaceful Sustainable High-tech Paradise Planet Earth 🌏 Powered by God Almighty's Eternal Energy (the Alpha and Omega) that creates, holds and transforms everything in the Universe/ Cosmos." ( The Reality ) " To know the truth is one step forward, the rest of the steps come from courage to change one's self." Good morning! 💖✌️💡🌞🌟🇵🇭🌏

Nature of Christianity Christianity, according to the Bible, is not primarily a comprehensive philosophy, a higher way of life, a superior code of ethics, or a beautiful system of theology. It is all this and infinitely more. It is the worship of a Person. It is a walk with God [ to be a Christian is to share the very life of God]. It is identification with Christ in life and purpose. Christianity objectively is the revelation of God in Christ as recorded in the Bible, and subjectively, the experience of the Jesus Christ the Lord in His life, death and resurrection by faith through the gracious operation of the Holy Spirit. Upon that initial experience the Holy Spirit indwells the believer continuously to make Christ real in his soul, progressively transforming the personality into the image of the Savior and identifying the believer with the purpose of God…. Christianity ‘s history over the past nineteen centuries-especially the last century and a half -is assuring. Among the religions of the world, Christendom claims the greatest percentage of adherents, sponsors the greatest humanitarian institutions, supports the greatest missionary force in the world, and alone can claim true ecumenicity in the sense of being present in every nation. The phenomenon of Christianity is astounding and warrants investigation not only its claims and appearance but of its very roots and foundations. What is the justification of Christianity’s claim? What are the sources of its continuous and spontaneous drive in expansion? What secrets account for the heroism of its adherents in sacrifice, suffering and martyrdom. What are its ever replenishing, never exhausting resource for missionary expansion? ….. Christianity claims superiority of ideology and a unique and extraordinary knowledge of the ultimate power of the universe whom we call God. At the same time Christianity demands absolute surrender to and utter dependence on God. Its truth, however, is not a discovery of man. It is a gracious and miraculous disclosure-a revelation of himself in …in proportional declarations and finally , completely and perfectly in the person of His son, Jesus of Nazareth, who was God incarnated to reveal God fully and finally to man. In Him, God and man meet. God entered into union with man and at the same time drew man to God in an unparalleled manner. Here mystery and reality face man. Here miracle and history unite to speak to man…. A Biblical theology of missions , George W. Peters

P.S.--- It might be better stated "Vs. Wheelchair Christians" , because the meaning of Halakhah means to Walk with God, and too many are too lame to realize the point. Having said that, even though Richard is very sharp, there is definitely other knowledge he may need to know, like Gematria, Mishnah, and Talmud.

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Reminds me of woody allan..not the bad part

so is GOD a bacterium? Created animals/plants to serve bacretial needs for locomotion, food, energy, breeding grounds?

How is it you give no credit to the Egyptians who taught the Greeks?

I’m not saying it’s Aliens,but it’s Aliens!🤔

In another talk Richard discusses the crisis of the third century. Christianity is not all to blame for losing a lot of the knowledge the Romans used to have. They had a 60 year civil war and an enormous financial crisis. After that a lot was lost.

Brilliant !

Carrier is a turd. Smart, but dumb. Makes mountains out of nothing.

If you want to have a God make it Zeus or Odin not some shit from the desert.

The religions of the time are the things taboo to criticise. Today things like Holocaustianity

33:39 Well the story of the kicking of Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden is an allegory for God not creating us such homogenous soul-bodies. Because then we'd be like Him and everybody knows, God CAN'T STAND competition. (Just ask Satan, formerly known as Lucifer.) ;^)

Carrier is a little BLAZFEMER

Carrier should stick to the Bible. He even sounds impatient and bored with Galen's fabled bladder.

A comment.

Create a complex design and put it on shit

Who should we believe a *religophobe* like carrier OR every ancient history professor who John lennox in an interview with Prof. Graham Clarke ANU said *"I know of no ancient history professor who has the slightest doubt as to the historicity of Jesus."*

God lives on his own time line . 😁

The misery of all atheists and the likes of Mr Carrier et al, is the failure to understand the divine truth:. That GOD CANNOT CREATE ANOTHER GOD!

CARRIER IS NO SCIENTIST

romanes eunt domus?! There's a centurio who's gonna cut his balls off! ;)

Even the simplest cell you can conceive of would require no less than 100,000 DNA base pairs and a minimum of about 10,000 amino acids, to form the essential protein chain. Not to mention the other things that would also be necessary for the first cell. Bear in mind that every single base pair in the DNA chain has to have the same molecular orientation (“left-hand” or “right hand”)? As well as that, virtually all the amino acids must have the opposite orientation. And every one must be without error. “Now,” explained Larry, “to randomly obtain those correct orientations, do you know your chances? It would be 1 chance in 2110,000, or 1 chance in 1033,113! “To put it another way, if you attempted a trillion, trillion, trillion combinations every second for 15 billion years, the odds you would achieve all the correct orientations would still only be one chance in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion … and the trillions would continue 2755 times! “It would be like winning more than 4700 state lotteries in a row with a single ticket purchased for each. In other words…impossible.”

God created the animals to fill the earth. On day six, God also created man and woman (Adam and Eve) in his own image to commune with him. He blessed them and gave them every creature and the whole earth to rule over, care for, and cultivate.

Intelegent design! Lol E Col Eye patent👇🏿 www.google.com/patents/US4371614

the most high will remember all of you atheists

Wrong,wrong,wrong!!!!

You know what is funny with all his Behe dismissal, Behe still has more published papers on ID then Carrier on Jesus.

Richard carrier! I dn't trust this guy!

this is laughable.