DR650 Replace Fork Seals & Install Gold Valve Cartridge Emulators

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7 жыл бұрын

G'day Guys, I show step by step how I replace the fork seals on the DR650 and then install a set of Gold Valve Cartridge Emulators. It ended up being easier than I expected it to be! Hope you enjoy :-) Cheers... Mark
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@HaggisPower
@HaggisPower 3 жыл бұрын
Geez, everyone here is an expert suspension tuner - give the guy kudos for making an excellent tutorial. You can learn plenty from it.
@HONKEYdelic
@HONKEYdelic 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from the USA m8! Thanks for making the video - late comment to the party that could have been addressed - when loosening the fork cap 22mm bolts in the triple clamps, loosen the top clamp pinch bolts a hair as they are binding the fork tube and making it harder to break that fork cap loose.
@sebreenWA
@sebreenWA 6 ай бұрын
Excellent. Particularly like the “take the video as you go along “ 😂😂😂. I learned that. The hard way. Thanks for great content
@anniewhite6459
@anniewhite6459 7 жыл бұрын
The bands you refer to are the bushes, when you try to knock the seals in you also are knocking the smaller of the 2 bushes into the fork leg, that's why it takes a little extra to try and seat the seal. Extra little tip is to measure the oil level in each fork leg to make sure it is the same in both, compress the fork all the way down, without the springs and measure the height from the oil to the lip of the leg. From memory the DR is 165mm, the smaller the gap, ie 160 will make the fork stiffer, the larger the gap ie 170 the softer the fork, basically making the air gap larger or smaller. Great idea the 25 mm box section, engineering genius at work Mark. 👍👍👍
@BikerBits
@BikerBits 7 жыл бұрын
+annie white Thanks for all that mate! :-)
@wobblysauce
@wobblysauce 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, as Annie stated.
@ronenfe
@ronenfe 5 жыл бұрын
The manual says both anti friction metals may get damaged when removing the inner tube and should be replaced.
@Lulu7404TX
@Lulu7404TX 7 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to add a little on your comment about using 4 turns because you have a safari tank. Don't confuse the spring preload on the imulator to spring preload on the fork springs. You want to increase fork spring preload to bring the level of the frontof the bike back up with a full safari tank (sag). More turns on the imulator spring will create stiffer compression damping. Fork spring = ride height, based on weight of load, imulator valve spring is increase or decrease in compression damping= how fast the forks react. Just my .02 cents.... take it with a grain of salt... I put valve emulators in my DR and it is a world of difference. I remember how disappointed you were after just the springs, when you could feel the difference with the rebuilt rear shock. All in the valving. Another great "how to" Mark. ps if you pour the oil in before you put the springs in, getting rid of air bubbles is easier. As the forks take up space and make the oil closer to top of fork tube.
@hachtenduro7824
@hachtenduro7824 2 жыл бұрын
You are right about spring preload and front level (so called "sag"). Nevertheless its not a bad idea to stiffen up compression damping a bit for heavier weight (safari tank etc.). Best regards, Erhard
@jimmcbride6297
@jimmcbride6297 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you'll see this comment on an older video, but Thanks! I'm an average bloke in Wisconsin, USA who finds your how-to videos a must watch before I tackle a job on the DR. Needless to say I also enjoy the other channel content as well.
@jezecat1
@jezecat1 7 жыл бұрын
Mark, just now got around to watching this. I removed my forks and took to local mechanic for new seals/dust covers (Triumph Tiger 800 XR, street version). Wish I had watched this first, would have saved me more than a few $. Great video,please just keep being yourself. Also, some of the comments below help explain better so thanks to all that reply.
@wipperwil
@wipperwil 3 жыл бұрын
Nice and thorough video with explanations and close-ups. I now feel confident I could do it myself! Thanks for posting brother.
@santanubose1653
@santanubose1653 6 жыл бұрын
Hey man loved the vid , it was very detailed and your trial and error approach helped me learn, thank you.
@rmax2
@rmax2 5 жыл бұрын
Really great videos Mark, I'm enjoying them very much! Thanks guy!
@RandomIsTheNewKool
@RandomIsTheNewKool 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great detail Mark. Well done mate !
@greasycanadianbiker
@greasycanadianbiker 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad u made videos like this. Good reference. Good to see these things done by someone else before I attempt anything on mine to screw up.
@streetmoto1384
@streetmoto1384 7 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion Mark, you should have used the spring tension to slacken the bottom bolts that hold the damper rod also good for holding everything in place to line them up easily. Great video though!
@ChaoticDetour
@ChaoticDetour 7 жыл бұрын
Good job mate, looking forward to hearing about the results.
@miguelatambucho748
@miguelatambucho748 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I am a Honda guy and I got my DR because your videos. I love it! Chers from Clearwater Beach, Florida.
@DarrenMalone253
@DarrenMalone253 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in Clearwater and buying back my old dr650, delivery soon 👍
@grubstewart
@grubstewart Жыл бұрын
Best video I’ve seen on this job! Top bloody job as always Mark! 😜👍🏻🍺
@Wolfdog370
@Wolfdog370 4 жыл бұрын
Did you remember to drill out the dampening control holes in the damping rods to delete there effect .. cos you want the emulators to have full control of the dampening duties .. it totally transformed my forks, I started looking for bumps to hit instead of avoiding them .. Amazing improvement.
@OgreMoto
@OgreMoto 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but I just did emulators on my DR and I had to use the included circlips for centering on the dampening rod perfectly. There was a gap otherwise.
@untrainedprofessionals2374
@untrainedprofessionals2374 3 жыл бұрын
The cock ups in this video are everywhere. Half a clue and all the confidence. I couldn't stop yelling at him when he pounded the living crap out the inner lip on those poor seals.
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to you my friend...i dont have the courage to drill my original damping rods , and take a chance on the Emulators , im happy it worked great for you, any tips or suggestions you have ?
@andrewstambaugh8030
@andrewstambaugh8030 Жыл бұрын
@@natanmortenfeld5813 If you understand how it works, then you don't have to be afraid anymore. Simple concept: instead of moving a plunger with holes that barely works at low speed then becomes too harsh at high speed, you get better damping control by metering fluid through a valve with a variable/load sensitive opening. So they open flow up more, then put a spring valve that blocks that flow in a better way. If you leave the old restrictive holes in, then you are getting partial effects from both systems. So the question is, why would you want the old system still active, the old system that underdamped then became harsh? It's only ever going to make your new system worse and harder to tune. On my friends bikes with cartridge forks, he upgraded to gold valves. Similar thing: once you understand that gold valves increase flow so it's easier to tune, then have better adjustment on clamping down that flow at various loadings, they cease being scary.
@garywinkworth3380
@garywinkworth3380 Жыл бұрын
hey mark you got a mention by "Dino's Tinker shed in canada a while ago on taking the rear shocker out. Ive just watched a video that he put on about doing fork seals on he's DR 650. both yours and he's was very good. thanks great video..
@allenhuling598
@allenhuling598 7 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed and learned...thanks! Looking forward to the test ride. (I know, I'm behind on vids again. Life...)
@drakonzebra
@drakonzebra 5 жыл бұрын
You _have_ to drill the damper rods. Also 1 1/2" PVC pipe work great for driving the seals.
@strongholds12
@strongholds12 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't
@kevinnashskitchen3517
@kevinnashskitchen3517 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Forgot to drill rod holes.
@untrainedprofessionals2374
@untrainedprofessionals2374 3 жыл бұрын
You mean your not supposed to smash the living crap out of the inner seal lip or just guessamating how much oil to chuck in when you spill some out without measuring from to top of the tube to the oil height.
@steveone
@steveone 3 жыл бұрын
2:34 Always use the ring end of the spanner if its at all possible .
@hillonwheels8838
@hillonwheels8838 7 жыл бұрын
When I remove the 8mm bolt on the bottom of fork I use an impact gun and have been able to take apart and put back together with out having to hold the damper rod inside. I have done this for friends and for customers when I use to work on motorcycles and have never had a problem. I just don't go crazy with the impact gun when tightening the bolt so not to strip out the threads. Hope this helps if you ever do this again with the DR style of forks. It will not work on inverted forks that are found on sport bikes and full motocross bikes.
@DustySquitoNM
@DustySquitoNM 7 жыл бұрын
Hill On Wheels agreed. I used a super cheap electric impact gun from HF, and it loosened it right up. I used a regular drill to put it back in. I did a similar upgrade to my DR a couple years back and swapped in Cogent cartridges and heavier springs. Probably the best money I've spent on the bike.
@seanrich1367
@seanrich1367 7 жыл бұрын
Another Great posting. Got my stickers the other day , all the way to USA, Thanks Much! Plan to throw em on my '97' Valkyrie. "Eat your heart out Harley riders", lol.
@Nostrildomus
@Nostrildomus 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up mark . I'm gonna try the F.F.R.C. emulators soon and it helps fallowing along to become familiar . Was wondering when you are going to install the dampener into the forks ? The fork brace does stabilize wobble with full nobs on especially bumping off rocks and tree roots . I suspect the dampener will help as much . Keep um coming ; -)
@12bravo68
@12bravo68 Жыл бұрын
I know this is super late...... but what a great, great video for us shadetree mechanics..... funny thing; I don't even have a DR650............
@thehoelzels6316
@thehoelzels6316 Жыл бұрын
You forgot to drill larger holes into the dampening rod for more oil flow. The emulator is doing minimal work because there is reduced oil flow
@johnnyturbo8460
@johnnyturbo8460 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, ill be doing this to my DR650 once the parts arrive 😁
@untrainedprofessionals2374
@untrainedprofessionals2374 3 жыл бұрын
Please don't. Old mate here is not a good example.
@MortyGG
@MortyGG 7 жыл бұрын
Cool Mark! One of my forks seals are leaking, so i'm about to undergo the same surgery as you. This video really makes it much more manageable in my head :D Might do it soon!
@luissaavedra5948
@luissaavedra5948 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome job greetings from the super ancient megalithic city of TIAHUANAKU BOLIVIA 🇧🇴
@jameswalker2116
@jameswalker2116 3 жыл бұрын
Mate always use the ring end on the spanner on your motorcycle stops you from damaging from the nut especially on those aluminium for tube nuts can see
@2wheeled76
@2wheeled76 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for braving this new territory for you and sharing the video! I'm about to throw some emulators into my DR this weekend- this video definitely helped alleviate some questions and concerns I had. A quick comment that I learned from a suspension manufacturer after saying the same thing as you; it's a DAMPING rod, not DAMPENING rod. Dampening makes you wet, damping makes you fast:)
@apokatastasian2831
@apokatastasian2831 2 жыл бұрын
going fast makes my girl....well you know technically its both..
@paulcorradini1662
@paulcorradini1662 2 жыл бұрын
@@apokatastasian2831 slick is the term....
@hodge1970ify
@hodge1970ify 3 жыл бұрын
Wow your a good teacher
@raffaelebusato6830
@raffaelebusato6830 3 жыл бұрын
grazie, mi è stato utile per smontare la mia forcella. 👍
@marcuspcarter
@marcuspcarter 2 жыл бұрын
without drilling out or adding extra holes for free flow of the fork oil the cartridge emulators are worse than useless. The whole point of the emulators is to allow for adjustment of the oil flow rate which is what dampens the suspension. The factory drilled holes are designed to restrict the oil flow as best needed for factory springs, oil weight and the average load. Cartridge emulators are wonderful things along with progressive springs and a willingness to fiddle around with preload and spacers and air gaps, I have them in my forks but they cannot do their job without drilling out and adding to the factory holes. it's way cheaper and easier to change your fork oil weight and volume. you have to open the forks to adjust the dang things after installation anyway.
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly right !!! ( read my comment in the first bunch of replies:-) , interesting that many people did not drill extra halls and claiming the emulators work great ...
@danieljurgill1681
@danieljurgill1681 Жыл бұрын
Great video. The only way this works ,without drilling additional damping rod holes, is to decrease the viscosity of the fork oil. Cogent DDS design only recommends about 5 wt oil, compared to 15wt . The 5 wt allows for increased flow through the stock damping rod holes. Not sure how much...I will stick with drilling holes and using the Emulators.
@NURider
@NURider 6 жыл бұрын
I reckon you could have used the “tool” to help push the damper rod in when you were about to put the 8mm Allen bolt in the bottom of the fork. Was that not an option?
@gregking2189
@gregking2189 3 жыл бұрын
Please loosen top triple clamp before undoing nut on top of fork. It’s a pinch clamp.
@diadlo13
@diadlo13 7 жыл бұрын
Aren't you supposed to drill extra holes on the dampening rod? If you don't then the dampening rod is still badly affecting the compression and rebound.
@neiljohnson7072
@neiljohnson7072 5 жыл бұрын
My question, too! Just bought the kit and noticed he didn't do this!
@sstephen257
@sstephen257 4 жыл бұрын
kevvybrenton I noticed that he didn’t drill the extra holes also. Did he figure that out ?
@Wolfdog370
@Wolfdog370 4 жыл бұрын
@@sstephen257 no, he totally missed that crucial step
@Wolfdog370
@Wolfdog370 4 жыл бұрын
Yes .. he should have drilled some extra holes in the damping rod .. he either forgot or didn't realize
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
lol , i heard from a few people allrady, that thay "forgot" to drill extra halls ..i think subconsciously they deliberately forgot ... because thats the scary part in the Emulators installation job 🥺 , drilling those extra hall's and then finding out it doesn't perform well..what then ? :-( , now interestingly all those people that "forgot to drill extra halls testified those Emulators work great..? hmmm...my understanding is that if you didn't drill the extra halls in tour damping rod, your old set up is still what creates the damping effect and the emulators do not do what thay supposed too... conclusion: Those who did not drill extra halls, and are testifying the Emulators work great , are lying to them selfes?🤪
@JONSMITHYOUTUBE
@JONSMITHYOUTUBE 7 жыл бұрын
Good job, great tutorial, I would of spilled oil all over the place.
@danielsolomon9915
@danielsolomon9915 3 жыл бұрын
What this guy doesn't say is that the racetech gold valves only control the compression damping and not the rebound damping. The rebound damping is far more important.
@sumpoiler
@sumpoiler 7 жыл бұрын
When undoing nuts bolts etc always use the ring end of the spanner when and where you can also undo those top pinch bolts on the triple clamp will make it easier undoing the fork cap
@berniebne8243
@berniebne8243 7 жыл бұрын
We were taught the same open ended spanners only as a last resort. Otherwise rounded corners on nuts ( not nice ). 6 point sockets are the go when the going gets tough, if you have them. Otherwise great video encouraging people to have a go. Oh yes one more thing a torque wrench doesn't go amiss, although when I was a young bloke no mechanic could afford one. The workshop owned the torque wrench, so it was only used for critical jobs like cylinder heads. You develop a feel plus as the nut gets bigger the length of the spanner increases therefore applying more torque from the same amount of hand force.
@DJ-vi9gu
@DJ-vi9gu 7 жыл бұрын
sumpoiler agree with loosening the top triple clamp first. I stripped my fork cap and thought all hope was lost before I loosened the top triple clamp and it came right off. The pressure from the lower triple clamp is plenty to keep the forks from rotating.
@seanfrank4158
@seanfrank4158 7 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to your next video about what you think of those gold valves. I'm considering doing the same upgrade to my DR soon.
@davidfellows6250
@davidfellows6250 4 жыл бұрын
So what's the function of that is it just a moveable spacer?
@MrSpeed396
@MrSpeed396 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark I'm curious if the Emulators were worth it in your opinion ? Thanks
@wadedrz4004
@wadedrz4004 7 жыл бұрын
Hey mark a cheapo toothbrush is a ripper tool for cleaning little "crevasses"........ another pro tip for next time 😁👍👍👍
@BikerBits
@BikerBits 7 жыл бұрын
+Wade drz400 You know what... I had one sitting there but never thought to use it LOL :-) Thanks mate!
@ozjohnno
@ozjohnno 4 жыл бұрын
Great Job Mark, you make it look easy, but I bet I could F%*k it up somewhere along the line. Cheers Johnno
@johnnytest55
@johnnytest55 7 жыл бұрын
I had a crash not to long ago on my dr, and the wheel points slightly to the left. What should I check/ do to fix it? Any suggestions/tips?
@homeofthefree8656
@homeofthefree8656 3 жыл бұрын
Put the tire between your legs and give the handlebars a nice tug haha
@chrispbacon3042
@chrispbacon3042 6 жыл бұрын
Mark please get yourself a breaka bar you are making your life so bloody hard for no go reason. Kind regards a fellow Victorian. Levage is your friend!
@TwoUpTourer
@TwoUpTourer 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, I wish you would address the issue of drilling holes. Both the Racetech and Procycle people say 6 x 8mm holes are required. You mention briefly in passing that Vince Strang Motorcycles say you don't. It is a crucial point in the whole exercise, to drill or not to drill. What is the evidence for this?
@BikerBits
@BikerBits 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know... They work great now so I'm not messing with them! :-)
@tomr8761
@tomr8761 3 жыл бұрын
@@BikerBits You improved your low speed dampening only. High speed the fixed orifices in the damper rod will cause harness. If you are happy with them now, you are in for treat when you only run variable orifice dampening.
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
that's my question as well..i dont have the courage to drill my original rod , i need more assurance it really works .
@TwoUpTourer
@TwoUpTourer 2 жыл бұрын
@@natanmortenfeld5813 Nathan, I too had great trepidation about destroying my damper tunes by drilling holes in them, but I did it, and after fitting the emulators it transformed my DR650 like I wouldn't have believed. I've forgotten the hole size now, it'll be in the instructions, but go with confidence, it does work, and amazingly so. I used to dread a particular dirt corner that was corrugated, not knowing if I would slide out, but now it's a non event. Emulator valves are great!
@id10tcertified
@id10tcertified 4 жыл бұрын
Spray some WD40 on the staunchions so they slip out easier and usually without leaving wiggle marks: also loosen the bottom cap head while the forks are loaded up, it usually undoes without having to shove things down the tube to hold the dampening rod.
@FirstLightAdv
@FirstLightAdv 4 жыл бұрын
You need to drill (much) bigger holes on the original damping rods. Otherwise now you have 2 damping systems working at the same time!
@dominichayes8594
@dominichayes8594 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to make the same comment. Unless lighter oil is used the investment in the emulators is completely wasted.
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
you are right , you have to have the courage to drill extra halls and take a chance on those Emulators that's why many people forget to drill...
@paulcorradini1662
@paulcorradini1662 2 жыл бұрын
@@natanmortenfeld5813 just drill them no reason to be afraid and the larger holes in the damper rod allows full flow without heat build up......the emulators simply replace the damper rods
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulcorradini1662 thanks 👍
@darylj2617
@darylj2617 5 жыл бұрын
i find it very interesting to watch you doing average jobs with inferior tools and almost zero knowledge. youre doing well btw. so painful to watch someone using t-allens though. reminds me of when i was first learning, youre breaking way less stuff though. good on you.
@petergendle6467
@petergendle6467 4 жыл бұрын
How did you cut the spacers .?
@BikerBits
@BikerBits 4 жыл бұрын
Hacksaw! :-)
@saritis
@saritis 2 жыл бұрын
@@BikerBits I love your ingenuity even being a total beginner. I’d cut the spacers with a chop saw with diamond blade, hacksaw by hand can never be precise and those spacers need to sit parallel as to support a lot of force and distribute it evenly. Good job though, aloha🤗
@justplaindarin
@justplaindarin Жыл бұрын
According to the Race Tech website, the emulators will not function as intended unless you drill out the original holes on your damper rods. I didn't see you drill anything or even mention it.
@BikerBits
@BikerBits Жыл бұрын
I did not drill mine! 👍
@justplaindarin
@justplaindarin Жыл бұрын
@@BikerBits I'm aware. The oil flows through the holes at the bottom of your damper rods when compressed, creating a resistance that is based on the size and quantity of the holes. The Emulators, are intended to emulate this resistance. The potentially adjustable resistance of the emulators must be transferred to them by drilling out the original holes. If the original holes aren't drilled out, you lose the effectiveness of your emulators. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJmBjL12ttWyj4E.html
@csmanul
@csmanul 2 ай бұрын
you should have drilled or enlarged the damper oil holes, without drilling the emulators are pretty much useless with minimal to no impact.
@kubasaki1978
@kubasaki1978 3 жыл бұрын
I just checked Race Tech's installation guide on their website and this guy totally did these forks wrong.....the damper rods require drilling when using these valves, Race Tech #4301. Too bad he screwed the pooch.
@paulcorradini1662
@paulcorradini1662 2 жыл бұрын
one little oversight and he screwed the pooch?? get yourself out there and have a go ya mug...do a video yourself...everyones a fucking expert.....good on him....
@jesse6460
@jesse6460 2 жыл бұрын
🤙
@moto__spb4477
@moto__spb4477 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍😎
@jamieclinton4010
@jamieclinton4010 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll pay you to do mine lol
@kubasaki1978
@kubasaki1978 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't drill or braze the dampener rods.....hmm.
@natanmortenfeld5813
@natanmortenfeld5813 2 жыл бұрын
i can't blame him , its scary to do it...you gone ruin your fork damping , and rely only on the emulators, what if they dont work well, btw: someone here says that if you put lighter oil , with out drilling the emulator will have effect but only in low speed bumps, which is actually my problem, to much dive in low speed...
@shawnmartin8410
@shawnmartin8410 3 ай бұрын
Turn on CC and skip to 33:20.
@marshallman1au
@marshallman1au 7 жыл бұрын
...... and the screams when something punctures your skin! Ahhhhh .... Quiet gentle suburbia ... >8^)
@BikerBits
@BikerBits 7 жыл бұрын
+Marshall Man LOL :-)
@marshallman1au
@marshallman1au 7 жыл бұрын
:)
@bobyearley5088
@bobyearley5088 3 жыл бұрын
So.....You have to dismantle your forks everytime you want to make an adjustment? No thanks!
@paulcorradini1662
@paulcorradini1662 2 жыл бұрын
lol fairdinkum ?? how often do you want to adjust them? I'm sure you aren't Casey Stoner adjust them once when you put them in and ride the bloody thing....after a bit you'll know if they are too hard or soft its a half hour job pull em out do it again and they'll be fine...
@danieljurgill1681
@danieljurgill1681 Жыл бұрын
It is easy to readjust. Loosen handle bar. Slide to side. Remove cap. Pull up springs, washers and spacer. Reach in with a claw pickup tool and pull up emulator. Make adjustment. Reinstall using claw pickup tool. Reinstall remainder. Do the other side by sliding the handlebars to the opposite side.
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