completely in character for them

much like sloth in FMA "dying is such a pain...living too is also a pain.."

That makes so much sense….

It's still such a shame. Fans weep for the Desire Demon's retcon. Enjoyers weep for the lack of Sloth Demons.

Actually, they retconned them into despair demons. It's in the lore cards in the game.

very accurate lol

I don't even remember need to kill her actually XD

belated response, I know. In Inquisition, if you explore and speak to everyone in Skyhold, there's a physician (around the wounded/dying soldiers) that explains that there's always use of good herbs and plants to be used as an alternative to magic. So for this predicament upon Leliana to work, I'm guessing that Brother Genitivi found her gravely wounded and provided likeness treatment with herbs and plants, until was able to pass her towards an Enchanter for better treatment. I could go outlandish and say that Andraste herself swooped down, after seeing her ashes being defiled, and blessed Leliana with new life, which is why she was more dedicated to the Chantry in DA2 and Inquisition.

@@KedemothThePaladin actually if I remember correctly she died but her belief, allowed a fade spirit to cross the barrior and gain form like Cole, because of all the Lyrium near Andrastes ashes, but that's what I remember, and I haven't played this game in 2 years

@@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084 I do believe I was "1 Up'd"

Yes, she wanted to to go for a walk, and waltzed herself straight outta Fereldan and into Inquisition.

S'was justa cold~

“Ahh the benefits of a redundant nervous system😂” Wait. Maybe Leliana was Krogan all along 👀

"Turns out I was only mostly dead. Try finding that on a government form."

@@Macrochenia well look thinks that they know. Well it turns out that your friend, that she is only…mostly dead. You see that there is a difference to mostly dead, and all dead. When she is mostly dead, she can be revived, and when she is all dead, there’s only one thing that you can do, go through her pockets and look for loose change.

I’m starting to think that the new bioware creative teams have serious grudges against the OG origins team.

@@MrDMIDOV At the very least, they seem to be completely uninterested in continuing any of the plot hooks from the original game.

@@Macrochenia Which really sucks Origins to this day is still my favorite game

@@WeeBitIrish foreal. Make the hero of Ferelden great again!

@@Macrochenia I agree. I think everyone that works on a dragon age game needs to play the first game. They don’t need to complete it 100% but they need to finish the main quest line. They need to see what made people love the game. The plot from the game was simple but also amazing. They can bring some of what happened into new games. I understand giving the player so many choices makes that an issue but it can be done.

They also made Sten into one of those hornless Qunari, he appears in one of the early comics as the Arishok, succeeding to the one from DA2

they are also used as spies

@@123Juniiorr Aren't those the Vidathari? Then again, Iron Bull is a spie so I guess horns don't make the Ben Hassrath.

Qunari we're always meant to have horns from the very beginning. It was cut from origins because the developers were struggling with a way to be able to equip helmets to sten.

@@garrenbrooks4778 it wasn't just sten, it was any qunari. That's why the lore tidbit about Tal-Vasoth cutting off their own horns also exist.

I also never will forget howy dwarven commander was suddenly talking to an invisible Oghren that never appeared in Awakening whatsoever. That was the moment things started going bad.

I love how at this point Oghren is pretty much immune to death. You kill him in the main campaign? He says he woke up later with nothing on. Leave him to defend Vigil's Keep? Bastard takes on two ogres at once, collapses due to blood loss and wakes up weeks later just fine. I guess he just has so much alcohol in his blood that bleeding doesn't threaten his like it just sobers him up.

Yeah, out of everyone, I really kind of dug Harding more than any of the romanceable characters.

It also doesn't escape me that the elves in Thedas are by and large considered to be inferior/slaves but are still written as love interests or sex objects or whatever, but romances/sexual encounters with (fantasy) dwarves are toooooo taboo to write or include because of irl HUMAN people with dwarfism, (as if they are not capable of 1) having sex; 2) being considered attractive). Another commenter mentioned the fact that people with visible disabilities are infantilized, making them inherently "unattractive" outside of people with fetishes... which is more telling of the devs/writters than the people who play their games.

@@Deej210 very well put. Thank you.🤠👍

absolutely 😂

yeah I 100% killed Zevran in Origins and he's just magically okay in DA2.

@@UnrealAxel27 That... sounds like a bug.

@@Aldrius might be. Might not. Either way he won’t show up again

and then Big Dan Gaming brings back Jenkins... if he works for bioware in the next mass effect...

Uh, well, that did kinda happen in A Song of Ice and Fire with the resurrections.

@@taitia8619 true but thats really only Cat/Lady Stoneheart. Good odds it will be Jon too and there are a few we aren't sure if they are dead and brought back or not. Thats part of the story tho. Like OP said, you can have one or two fake outs.

Let’s bring Ned stark back. Would be totally fine with that. Lol

@@gamer2101 I'd rather have Ned back than lame Karen-ass Lady Stoneheart. GRRM essentially neutered an interesting and mysterious side faction because he couldn't let a character go. Not that the series will ever be finished lol.

i agree w/ all of this

Idk. I am interested in Bianca as a character and her relation to Varric. But her personality is too abrasive to me for a main playable character. If they do add her to DA:DW, I hope they give her a character arc that finally humbles her and tones down that sense of arrogance she's famous for. Plus, with as much Skyrim I've played, it's weird hearing Serana talking about Blight and Red Lyrium. Lol.

Desire demons probably werent in Inquisition because they're the smartest demons. They knew to get the hell away from the Breach. The Pride demons didnt and look how that turned out for them.

i loved sera's and solas' preset bodies, really hoping for some body sliders in the upcoming game!

Honestly I preferred DA2's look. Usually in media elves are just people with pointy ears and nothing more. In DA2 they looked lithe and human-like but alien.

tbh, the origins body shapes were a result of the team using the human male body rig as the base shape for all race+gender variations. it's the same reason why the dwarves have gorilla arms that drag the ground and human females have yaoi shoulders. so, they may have tried to make the elves look the way they did in da2/dai the whole time if they'd built each body rig from scratch.

I like the way elves looked in 2 and inquisition as it adds to the look instead of going the humans with pointy ears route. My problem is that in 2 they were unplayable and in inquisition barely any of the player clothing looks like something an elf would wear and some of them aren't properly modeled to the elf body type.

@@nooneforpresident I thought the dwarves in Dragon Age were supposed to be very stocky. More so if you look at the production sketches. In that scene where the Inquisitor can hug Varric the guy has a huge head. This sort of fits with the Iron Bull's description of Varric as dense, because he's heavier than he looks.

It pretty much makes you realize how much Bioware has changed for the worse. I remember somebody that had the Warden end up with Leliana after Origins ask why she's not with him anymore getting the answer they broke up directly after the ending. They stopped caring.

@@nbHawkeye Yep. Honestly I play Origins and I can see love and care in droves. A whole universe created with clear passion. And I wonder, "Bioware made this?" Because everything after it totally lacks that feeling. You can tell they stopped caring immediately after this.

@@xXscreamingkoalaXx I'm currently doing a playthrough of Baldurs Gate until Baldurs Gate 2 and it's the same thing. The same thing goes for Mass Effect. I first saw it in a magazine thinking it would suck until I decided to give the game a chance. I was blown away from the beginning until the end. I remember discussions on Gamefaqs about what awesome things that will be added in Mass Effect 2. Until the things that were taken out were announced. Planet exploration and elevator talk were gone and the reasons they gave seemed more like excuses. The games were okay, the final boss was epic and so Mass Effect 2 ended while being nowhere as good as the original. After the godawful Dragon Age 2 with it's "Nothing you did in this game mattered at all" ending the announcement I hoped they would not make the same mistake and end the trilogy in a high. Oh boy was I wrong. There were parts that people that did not play the first game could not have known about and they decided to end the original Mass Effect trilogy in a way that nothing you ever did in these games mattered AT ALL. I miss the old Bioware.

@@nbHawkeye Honestly it's probably a handful of talented developers that we actually miss. Shout out to those guys, wherever they are. We miss you.

@@nbHawkeye @Nightblade Hawk what type of take is that? Look you're entitled to your opinion but saying mass effect 2 was no where as good 1 is just shocking to hear. Personally I think 1 is fine but a good chunk of it was boring as shit.

Hell it's beyond that, his romance starts off as a purely sexual relationship. It's not until you make the medallion for him to show that you're serious that it becomes a full relationship. So you can have a sexual BDSM relationship with the giant slab of a qunari man but any relationship with a qunari woman is too much?

The devs: Let's retcon Desire Demons because it sexualises women. The devs: Let's remove characters like Isabela because it sexualises women. Also the devs: Let's make Iron Bull.

@@rafabuda0 Woke logic. Doing it to men is fine. Doing it to women isn't.

@@rafabuda0 Very dumb, considering when i romanced Bull, it was with a female qunari inquisitor.

@@TheStraightestWhitest ragebait account

In origins, how do you make her find out about the ashes? She will attack you in camp?

@Armando Molina I tried destroyed the ashes and talked to her in camp. I couldnt find the dialogue option to make her attack

Interesting

@@mikechansw748 You might be able to attack her at camp, but I know you can kill her if you bring her along with you to the Temple of Sacred Ashes. If Leliana is with you when you defile the ashes, she attacks you immediately after. Wynne will also attack if she is with you.

@@Tetricus57 i believe if Leliana is hardened she'll just have some disapproval but wont attack

I like to believe that not all Sloth demons== Despair demons, but all Despair demons were classified as sloth demons at one point and we now have a destincition. Stuff like that happens in our world as well in regards to animals, so its not even that weird.

Even within the lore, how in the fuck does anyone confuse or misinterpret SLOTH with DESPAIR?

@@AzureRoxe Both emotions rob the victim of their drive and motivation to press on, or change their circumstances. They stop struggling, give in, and let defeat take them. They lose hope that things can get better.

Sten got a lore reason to explain it. Every other Qunari in Origins is a retcon though (yes due to graphical limitations.)

I guess I don't really understand your comment. If you're World Keep state includes her having an old god baby with the HoF she's definitely in Inquisition.

@@zacm9747 But since it's not hard canon, it means it won't play much of a role in the next games. Why? Because if they made each choices central to the main story quests, it would mean Bioware would have to developed to what amounts to completely different story lines. This is why massive choices like the Grey Warden being King consort or Alistair means we basically never see the ruler of Ferelden beyond cameos that last at most a few minutes. By introducing to possibility of a character not existing or being dead, it means we won't see them much, due to the too many story paths it would open.

? Morrigan DID have a "demon child", it's part of her story in Inquisition where she begs Flemeth to let the child go and Flemeth simply removes Urthemiel's soul from the boy, saying they were never in any danger from her.

@@AzureRoxe Which lasts one scene. I don't expect it will last more than that in the next game, since if you don't load a world save, she does not have a child, the Warden just dies without doing anything other than the main quest.

Morrrigan is one of my favorite characters in gaming. She does not want to be a hero or help the world be a better place. She is a realist and doesn’t pretend to be anything different. She may love one or 2 people but that’s it. She is very refreshing and I hope somehow we get more of her in the next game. She made origins so much fun. I loved talking to her and traveling with her to hear her comments about what was going on. I know it’s just me but I found myself agreeing with her point of view most of the time.

Seconding this, the whole "We don't want to fetishise stuff you pervs!" falls pretty flat when you have Iron Bull there being himself. Also I wanted to cuddle Harding because that girl is adorable and badass.

How exactly is Qunari matriarchal society ?

@@darthportus Talk to Bull. Temassrans make all the rules. Control who one breeds with.

@@MCPunk55 Sure. But aren't women among the Qunari limited in other ways? At least according to Sten. The fact that there are some important law-making roles for women (especially if focused on reproduction) does not mean it's a matriarchal society...

@@akitku1489 Bull himself calls it a matriarchy.

My dream scenario is a short unique scene where all living protagonists (DA: Dreadwolf included) are sitting down exchanging tales. It won't happen but one can dream.

whenever i think of the HoF appearing in the games again, i think about what they'd do with the voices.. in origins we're the silent protagonist so im curious as to what theyd do for that or maybe they would just include a brief scene with them atleast, no talking included? pretty please bioware let us see our wardens again

@@carpathianforest I think it's much more gleeful if the HoF didn't speak at all, and whenever they are asked about the situation or opinion, a prompt for the player emerges to choose an option with the DA:O style.

How do you get past the fact he/she has no vice and people are very vocal about not giving the HOF a voice amd actually want dragon age to go back to voiceless protagonists

I don't think they'll ever bring him back because he can die at the end of the game

Kal Sharok is pretty close to Tevinter, so it's likely we'll see it.

The Descent felt incredible. The atmosphere was dripping! We need more of the Dwarves. There's something fantastical about them due to their nature of living underground. It's the same reason we are fascinated with caves and the sea I think. It's because we know so little of them due to traversal being so difficult. As a result, they are an extremely suitable pick for high fantasies, because you can stretch the imagination so damn far without it becoming less immersive or shattering disbelief. Tolkien was a master of it.

The next game is in tevinter which is full of dwarves. They even have an underground embassy so they can deal with tevinter directly without becoming casteless. I think were going to see a lot more of them again and how red lyrium can alter them in other ways.

I always assumed it was a writer at BioWare prorecting his favorite character/waifu, if we're willing to use an otaku term.

I killed leliana and Wynne at the temple of sacred ashes my first playthrough to get the reaver spec, I roleplayed it as "lesser evil" as my pc felt he needed the power of blood magic in order to defeat the archdemon with him feeling self conscious about his true abilities

They wanted to use her for a role in Inquisition, so they retconned her death. If you killed her in Origins, I believe Inquisition will mention that she disappears into the night or something in Inquisition's epilogue.

ya but thats just lazy to retconn a death. they could have used someone else in that slot. I mean...mass effect did a decent job at keeping...most people dead. and even repalcing them for a different person to fill in there slots.

@@MrOrdosan they could not do that with how leliana's role works in inquisition. Most of the characters who have substitutes have relatively small roles in ME3. I think they screwed up letting us kill Leliana in DAO but I think inquisition would lose something if it was a new character instead of Leliana.

my bad... damnn

The way they turned the Qunari into champions of wokeness in DAI was painfull. Everything you learned from Sten and the Arishok was just wiped out.

@@fatal_error8397 It was... really weird. I was just like "you're telling me the Qun doesn't allow a baker to pick up a fishing pole and become a fisherman but it's cool with someone completely changing their gender identity from the one they were assigned at birth? Okay...". Like why? Having the Qunari continue to be close minded and traditionalist doesn't mean *Bioware* is. Iron Bull having a different perspective is cool, he's a spy and he's far from home, and it might be how HE interprets the Qun, but implying the whole Qunari race is like that... like... again, why?

Yeah in DA 2 Arishok stright up refuses to have duel with you if you play as female Hawke because woman can't chellange man to duel under the Qun and you need to have Fenris in your party so he can point out Loophole that allows you to do so. But Biowere went with the woke way and couldn't have bigoted faction in their game so they make Qunari just be able to say that they are not women so they can do man assigned professions making the whole "men jobs and women jobs" thing completly redundant since you can basicaly choose anyway.

Oh, I almost forgot about this. They retconned all of Qunari culture. They could have just had Iron Bull struggling with the difference between the dictates of his conscience and the dictates of his culture and that’s why he was accepting of Krem where the Qunari in general have a more rigid view of gender and that would have made a lot of sense within his personal story arc. In general, I think they removed a lot of the conflict with culture/society/class from the game in Inquisition. The story was more milquetoast than the previous games because of it. If they really wanted to critique that rigid worldview, then displaying it and the negative impacts of it would have been more effective than erasing it. Making the Qunari woke undermines any attempt at critiquing that worldview.

Not to mention the mage Iron Bull had in his team and acted like it was no big deal. Absolutely out of the question for DAO or DAII Qunari, even for a mercenary band working for them. Qunari tolerant towards mages? As if the Arishok never existed.

It was because Sten wouldn't be able to wear helmets.

It's pretty much that, they didn't know how to make qunari's horns fit well with the helmets so in Origins none of the qunari have horns and later on we got the lore that Tal-Vasoth cut off their horns and that some qunari are born without horns.

@@rafabuda0 The Qunari in origins are still retcons (outside of Sten). The models have smooth foreheads not the sawed off stumps from 2.

meanwhile I'm more itnerested n what the Idol is and what its pupose was originally. After all, SOMEONE made that thing (Unless this is answeed in Inquisition, my apologis)

In all honesty, Gaider sounds like a sanctimonious, pompous ass from the quotes given in the video

It's just weird that they are willing to sexualize varric but a dwarf female is off limits? I can see some problems but I like your point, not every romance needs a sex scene, I dont romance Sera to shave my inquisitors bits like you can in inquisition, I Romance Sera because I like helping her deal with her insecurities.

@@pickybusiness8549 Dwarf females don't have facial hair. It looks like a child/adult romance without context and that might seriously hurt it getting released in some countries.

They already gave the female Inquisitor the option for stubble. Why not give that to all female dwarfs like Lord of the rings for example? Problem solved.

@@rosydemon2640 its wasn't about them having facial hair or not. It was the fact that one of the writers did not want a dwarf romance cause it made him feel like he was writing child porn. I mean go back and look at the games the only way to have a dwarf romance is to play that role.

There is a Qunari romance.

agreed!~

I like to think that the reason they looked so different (and the elves looked so ugly) in DA2 is because Varric is telling the story and Dwarves "don't find other races attractive". However, I would love to see more variety in the new game, but this is Bioware we're talking about :((

i really loved the elf noses in DA2, they looked beautiful in a unique way imo

Elves looked ugly in 2.

The PC in Origin survies what, 3 or 4 near deaths? Leliana can have another one, she was a PC for that one DLC.

People need to remember that some game mechanics are not abilities or "rules of the world". If enemy corpses doesnt disintegrate and leave loot in DA5, that would not be a retcon, just a change in game mechanics. So I absolutely agree with you with Leliana being left to die, but surviving.

@@Hexaile yeah and that's the thing. Enemy corpses *have* to desintigrate, especially if the game has respawning enemies. Otherwise that would lead to too many polygons on screen (not to mention would be very morbid)

@@DocKrazy Exactly

Taking into account Leliana herself lampshades it and, if you finish Trespasser with a file where she died in Origins, a cutscene mentions that a huge cloud of Ravens suddenly appeared in Skyhold and, when they went to check on Leliana, she was gone and left only a message that implied she was some sort of spirit that appears when she's needed.

Tallis is (or was, never completely understood that character fate+never liked her much) is a Ben-hassrath, not a member of the antaam. I believe that even Aveline mentions something about "being easier to convert/spy on people if you're a cute elf, not a horned giant". As for the female fighter thing.. yep, they want to be inclusive, which is stupid since I don't think any sane person would look at the Qun as a good example for society.

@@alexandrearaujo7114 I think, one problem with the qunari is, that there we're two concepts of them from the start, that contradict each other. They are explicitely modelled after the two largest ways of organizing a society, that are traditionally in the West recieved as opposed to the Western way of life: Islam and Communism. They are based in a revelation in the desert, connect culture and ethicity in specific way, have an Expansionslist aspect to their worldview and are at war with the Bayzantine Empire analogue. (No I'm not saying that Islam is always like that, but this is how it is often recieved in western Media). Like in the Western Image of a communitst society, they habe a distaste vor monarcy, organize labour by plans , have an all controlling state and have replaced religion with idiology. They are the essence of "Nonwestern Culture" or more bluntly they are what every American is afraid of ;) The writers now use them in two very opposing ways: On the one Hand they are a foil to the human world. They might not be right in their actions every time but they offer a new point to think about the human society. In the other hand they serve as easy villains. You need a generic cartoon villain? Here is some Stalinist-Taliban with horns. Both are fine, but they don't go very well together...

I think you’re misunderstanding what Sten meant by women can’t be fighters, he doesn’t mean biological women can’t fight, he means that’s a woman in Qunari culture just isn’t a fighter, the Qunari don’t see men and women as what you’re born as or what you identify as, but it’s what you are based on your job, if you’re a fighter you are man, regardless of sex or gender, if you’re a baker you’re a woman regardless of sex or gender. For a militaristic culture to refuse strong women in the military just for being women is ridiculous, and it’s equally ridiculous said culture would allow weak men into the military just for being men This can also be used to do away with Bull not caring about Krem, ignoring that he’s basically Tal-Vashoth already and probably not even guided by the Qun, Krem, a born woman, is choosing to be a fighter and mercenary, that would make Krem a man in the Qun regardless of whether or not Krem identifies as one conventionally

​​​@@spacejesus6581Actually no. Sten literally asks the Warden, Leliana and Wynne why do they want to be men. Because he sees them as women because physically they are women and that's how he sees them. If the qunari assigned gender because of their roles then Sten's question would had been... Why do you call yourself a woman if you are a man? Which means Sten doesn't recognize their Gender because of their job, but because of what they biologically are. The Krem situation was just a big retcon to push a woke agenda, and to use it as a social bludgeon. One of the worst ways to push said agenda, by the way. Iron Bull wasn't even Tal-Vashot yet when that scene with Krem happened. On top of that, Bull also mentions that the Qunari people refer to the trans with a specific word (which I don't remember right now), and also mentions that they still make fun of them at their backs, contradictory again, because then that means they DO recognize their gender by the body they are originally born with.

@@SeventhheavenDK Both you and op sound like you're projecting your own agenda. It's def a retcon, but one that was very useful for both creating new plotline and worldbuilding opportunities and expanding the lore beyond "look, the Muslim/Commie ogres think women should stay in the kitchen." Besides reinforcing the subtle underlying theme that the Qunari are ironically not a monolith by contradicting themselves every new game, the trans bit in particular was blatantly added to flesh out Tevinter and show how they and the Qunari are diametrically opposed. Add to that how every female and mage Qunari character have been walking contradictions to the Qun, and it makes the Qunari much more interesting than one-dimensional secondary antagonists. But go ahead and minimize it as "woke" because it doesn't fit *your* agenda. Not like all 3 games and DLCs were helmed by *one main writer* who oversaw the worldbuilding until 2015.

welcome!! ☺️

Yeah this was oddly wholesome to pop up into my feed. I guess it's what happens when a series takes a near decade hiatus and still hasn't had more than a teaser for their next game on top of having killed interest for a lot by having its latest entry's creative director spout off on social media about his politics and telling anyone who doesn't like it to take a hike.

Unfortunately. This is a very real problem with not just Dragon Age but a lot of modern games and films. We are supposed to give weight to deaths, and the threat of death is supposed to raise the stakes. But if characters can just come on back, then how are there any stakes? One of the most powerful moments in Origins is having your Warden make the ultimate sacrifice. Can they just come on back? If not, why not?

She was "killed" right beside the urn of sacred ashes. Odds are she got revived due to the dust in the room being ashes and it healed her.

@@kyleellis1825 well that’s what was talked about in the video: you can kill her away from the ashes. If you don’t bring her with you and then confront her in camp after you defile the ashes, you can then kill her in the camp

@@kyleellis1825 You can kill her back at camp, so no, it's not the ashes.

@@AzureRoxe Killing her back at the camp is even easier. It's not vital she dies, you just need to hurt her enough to leave with no further drama.

The retcon is for every other Qunari in Origins.

Most people would have written Leliana off for dead, but not the Illusive Man...

You didn't answer their question. You chopped her head off, but did you or did you not check her pulse?

Because ability to choose is more attractive for players. They want to sold you idea of choices and simultaniously want to avoid implementing various effects of them. Even in the best case (Witcher 3 by my experience) choices are limited to one game in series, they don't matter between games.

At least give the demons with a personal name varied appearances/create 3-4 models for each demon so we get variety.

I think they nailed the design in Inqusition in orgins they were just pettied humans with pointed ears in DA 2 they were aliens from another planet. DAI design is perfect blend with the previous two.

@@darthportus i still have nightmares with the da 2 dalish elves lol

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its certainly a strange choice to take the guy who was consitntly an asshole in the first two games (granted, having a redeeming moment towards the end of DA2) and then just making him striaght up good with none of his prejudics being on display.

hi just saw this, and that one was very close against anders!

Totally disagree. In my opinion he is well written. He is a character of good intentions who struggles - with the culture he was brought up in, the cruel stuff he went through. He is a deeply flawed person. But a person who consistently wants to do good. Just gets lost in what the good is. Like many other DA characters: Solas, Anders, Merril, Leliana under certain play-throughs. It's a great aspect of Dragon Age games. He grows and works through his issues and is willing to admit he was wrong. Which to me is very powerful. I think it's cool how he starts and ends as a relatively compassionate person despite being very much rule-oriented. He loses that side of him, after he was shown none...Also, in my opinion his assholeness is exaggerated by people who dislike him. Yes, he says some awful things. But that's after torture, witnessing insane amount of death and brutality, and being starved and on withdrawal...Also, it's his words that are bad, he doesn't actually do anything particularly evil. Anyway, sorry for the long reply, I don't mean to argue, it's just I've thought about it a lot....

i think Goldana could have been Maric's bastard with a servant. that would still make them siblings

@@jljljl1820 . In any case that wouldn't be Goldanna, but the baby HER mother conceived with Maric.

@@SeventhheavenDK why not?? they would be siblings but only sharing their father

The retcon is kinda beliveable though. They had maid that was impregnated by some noble but she and her baby died during birth so they used this convience to mask Alsitair true mother because if the world found out that Alistair is half-elf he couldn't be Cailan's replacement if the need arrive.

@@jljljl1820 . Because Goldanna already existed, her mother gets pregnant of another baby, as the comment above mentions of another Noble, or even Maric himself, but the baby indeed was born dead. If that baby was Maric's too then that baby would had been Alistair's brother/sister. But not Goldanna, she does not have any relationship with Maric.

ahhh thank you! im glad to be back!

hi there, in TN they are confirmed dead

You kind of have to take Origins and the books with a grain of salt. It was obvious they wrote origins as a self-contained story, which is why it ends decisively. It wasn’t written with heavily planned lore expansions in mind. However, the Calling book brings up several possibilities for how dwarves can access magic. The Architect uses blight magic, and does things previously thought impossible, like halting the degeneration of Ulta’s mind from the taint. Fiona becomes pregnant despite being sterile from the taint. And the Architect teaches First Enchanter Remille to wield blight magic, speeds up the tainted degeneration, that sort of thing. If the taint is the Abyss as is believed, and originated from the Black City in the Fade, then darkspawn are really Abyss creatures from the Fade, in a way. Perhaps the Sidereal magisters, making a connection to the Abyss upon breaching the Black City, can establish a tie to it through the taint. This isn’t surprising given that mages are simply people who can tap into the Fade at will. Once a dwarf is corrupted by the taint, it can access that power through the taint itself. It is also possible that dwarves always could access magic, but the Titans severed the connection in order to prevent the elves from continuing their genocidal war via magical means, as was seen by Fen’Harel’s killing of dwarves through dreamwalking. A dwarf tainted loses this protection, it’s just that they are so compromised that they can’t learn to utilize magic before they are killed. It isn’t as though they are interacted with beyond attacking.

A different bard tells the story of each game, this explains the retcons/differences between Thedas.

@@kyleellis1825 But the one who tells the story of 2 is Varric, who is also in both Origins and Inquisition.

@@AzureRoxe He's still not the one telling the story of 3. IT's a differetn sotry teller each time.

Thank you so much!

It's mostly the honor system and oppurtunity in the DAO Warden's case. Duncan was appealing both to the character's sense of duty in the face of an existential threat as well as the very real possibility that a senoir Warden may chose to summarily execute a deserter like Ser Jory. After the blight it would be hard to leash the Ferelden Warden Commander, they could make up any excuse to go awol. It all comes down to what the First Warden would let them get away with, or be able to do anything about. I'd imagine the impending doom of your eventual calling would keep many in the order as well, knowing whatever life you tried to get on with would be cut relatively short, and only other warden's could understand the buden of living with the taint.

aww ty for this comment, glad to be back!

But every qunari in origins looks like the Sten, and they're all labeled as qunari.

@@KB-qk1ic and if you look at the way the faith works it is the same as the Mando'a which is made up of not a single race but mostly one we see are of human members but they take anyone that follows the faith and they are all called the same name its the same in the first dragon age we could look at sten and his group as being the ones sent by the qun so they were not killed on site as most would of been thus by sending a group of human members of the faith they would have a higher chance of getting the job done

@@KB-qk1ic oh and we only saw Sten and his men no others exist so that is such a small number to base an entire faction on thats like jory saying he did not know non humans could join the wardens

@@maxrander0101 we see qunari throughout origins mostly in the deep roads as part of the carta and in denerim. Those characters are always listed as qunari and all look exactly like the sten. Which we are later told is not a name but a title

@@KB-qk1ic again you miss my point its a way of life a religion like the dam chanty and our own real life ones are we all the bloody same no we are not nor were they hell even elves were part of the Qun this is the name of the faith they follow (rules) not the race it is the people of thadas that called them Qunari the horned race that are the main group are called the Kossith this is the original races name they are known over the world now as the Qunari due to the words of the writer of the text that forms the Qun

Considering dreaming is a way of processing memories, I wonder if this is why so many retcons happen? Humans/elves in DA go tothe Fade while sleeping, so they should have terrible short/long term memory conversion. The Warden only remembers killing Leliana but she was actually back at camp and bailed.

@@kyleellis1825 I never chose to kill Leliana so that never came to mind. There aren't many mentions of people sharing their dreams in Dragon Age. So I can't say for sure if many non-dwarves do forget. But I have long suspected there is a limit to how far the Fade's influence reaches from Thedas. I'd love to hear from the Qunari how you don't dream in the Fade if you sail far enough.

@@B.B.Digital_Forest the qunari thing would make sense, they didnt even have mages until they got to thedas. and considering the next game is about solas trying to delete the veil keeping the fade out im sure there will be plenty more expanding on that... or at least i hope so lol.

You are right. Liliana has never died in my playthrough so her death is optional. I never sabotage the urn, that's probably why she always live.

OMG, I just rolled another inquisitor a couple of days ago, and yet again I came up against these WTF hair options. Like, how was it possible to be that bad?

@@MikeWilliams-uh8ii Right? I always end up using the exact same hair with every new inquisitor because the other styles are so atrocious!

How on earth did you manage to miss her? I presume you just never went in Dane's Refuge? You'd have missed out the Blackstone Irregulars quests too by not going in there, plus a merchant.

@@cmdr.jabozerstorer3968 yeah I never went into the Refuge which is unusual of me as I am usually very careful about exploring everything. And once you’re out of Lothering you cannot ever go back so I had no chance of meeting her. I also haven’t played Lelianas Song or any other dlc before immediately jumping into da2.

@@Nehelenia3000 You can go back after you've visited Camp for the first time but once you progress the main quest and Lothering gets attacked by Darkspawn, you can't. Also, if you'd gone to the Refuge, met Leliana and then refused to let her join the party, she intercepts once more later, so you have another opportunity of recruiting her but this only happens if you didn't accept her to join. Leliana is one of the best Origins characters, so you definitely missed out there. I'm playing the game currently and am about to leave Lothering. I plan to return after I've got to camp (so I can buy stuff I cannot currently fit in my inventry, like gifts and some equipment) and done one of the DLC so I can get the storage chest for the Camp (very useful for a hoarder like me!). I'll also buy an extended backpack from Bodahn too, which shall help. Then once I progress the main quest, I'll obviously not be able to return back,

@@cmdr.jabozerstorer3968 I’ve played DAO multiple times after this and DA2 as well and completed all the quests DLCs etc so I became very familiar with her. Ironically she’s one of the companions that I think stays with the franchise the most, because even if you killed her in the temple of the secret ashes she still returns.

@@Nehelenia3000 I completed one Origins playthrough many years ago (Dwarf Noble) but have done all Origin Stories (but not got them to the Landsmeet) and have completed DA2 twice. Not fully dived into DA:I yet but I'm currently replaying DA:O as a Human Noble as it's meant to be one of the best origin stories in regard to the Arl Howe story arc. I also discovered recently I don't think I ever played one of the DA2 DLCs (where Corypheus was introduced), so it'd make sense for me to do another DA2 playthrough too (I recently re-bought it with all DLC on sale), so I understand who Corypheus is more in DA:I..

Yes! This! 100/10 💙 Hate Sara. She literally Disapproves of 80% of the possibile choices in the game it feels like. If I was inquisitor I'd seriously ask her if she could switch with one of the other Red Jenny's because she does tell you there are others. I also think they could've made Harding your spymaster. A surfacer dwarf spymaster would be so interesting I think and if Leliana was in your party you'd most likely get the Bard specialisation instead of whatever the hell Tempest is

Sera is one of the worst characters in the franchise. Hope she never comes back.

I mean, Leliana is my favorite character, too, but I think Sera's role was more about approaching the topic of how elves are stuck in the past than just "female archer", regardless of if the player found her annoying or not. A lot of DA:I isn't formed around the strict paragon/renegade dynamic, and wants the PC's personal perspective to play into their decisions- so, the constrast of bringing up that the elves are hung up on their history makes the questionable morality of what Solas is trying to accomplish more relevent. Without the question, it would be a little too easy to fall into a linear and scripted narrative where the PC wants to restore the elves (and world at large) to how they were simply because that's what you have to do to be "the good guy". More to the point, Leliana already shows the other side of Orlesian culture, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about how she represents the other side of it. The fact that she sequesters herself away with messenger birds rather than galavanting about is part of that "other side".

@@DogMechanic I feel like that's giving Sera way too much credit. In order for her to be a commentary on elvish culture, or even to be an opposing point of view for someone like Solas, that would need to be a central part of her story and/or personality. But that' not what we get in the game. Sera wasn't against the old ways, or the elvish ways...she was against anyone and everyone who represented authority and used that authority in a way she or the FRJ didn't agree with. In fact, she purposely stayed out of Elvish affairs be it Dalish or City..... Leliana doesn't really serve as an Orlesian counter. In DA:O she embraces her Olesian heritage, she is it's introduction and it's spokesperson. She loves her culture, she embraces it, she talks about how she misses it and the game. We don't really know her story or what happened between DA:O and DA:II but we see that as the left hand and spymaster, she is not the same person she is in DA:O And whatever happened between DA:O and when we meet her again in DA:II must have been major cause it's only a few years between events and she is a drastically different person. And in DA:I when we have her as as active person in the game...we learn nothing about her, what happened to change her, or what she has become. She is nothing like the proud Orlesian of a few years ago. She is anti-social, she doesn't partake in the game and wear a Mask, her youthful exuberance is gone, and she is actively working/spying against her Orlesian nation.....it would have been a much better story than Sera's....and she could have even been in charge of the FRJ and it still would have worked. Why is a Sera a Leliana clone? 1) Leliana is a female rogue archer, Sera is a rouge female archer. 2) Leliana enters the bar out of nowhere, Sera enters the street fight out of nowhere. 3) Leliana was a roguish orphan taken in by Margorie, Sera was a roguish orphan taken in by Lady Taraline. 4) Leliana has troubled relationship with her caregiver, Sera has troubled relationship with her caregiver. 5) Leliana in DA:O is a bisexual and open woman, Sera is a bisexual and open woman. 6) Leliana rejects Warden's authoritarianism, Sera rejects the Inquisitor's authoritarianism. 7) Leliana focuses on the relationships in the group, Sera is obsessed with the sex in the group. 8) Leliana's banter is always flirting and teasing the group, Sera is the same only more vulgar. I once wrote it out, but I had like over 35 direct copy/paste between Leliana and Sera. They literally just took her character, made her an elf...and a lot cruder. But there is nothing unique about Sera, they clearly wanted Leliana in the story again, but couldn't use her. So they created Sera.

@@unarealtaragionevole You don't need to have Leliana's background (during the time gap) expulsed to you to see the difference between who she was before vs who she is in Inquisition. You've made that clear. Listen to her talk, observe how she behaves, compare it to before. That is the "other side" of Orlais. Defeats the purpose of her becoming a dark and mysterious spy if her character gets spelled out to you. Now I'll respond to your list. 1) So any female rogue archer would be a copy of Leliana? 2) A fair number of characters (companion or otherwise) in the DA series get introduced that way, rogue or not. I think bioware just likes using this method to introduce characters. 3 & 4) Characters having somewhat troubled family backgrounds is not uncommon in bioware games, either. 5) Sera is not bi, she's gay. 6) A rogue who rejects authoritarianism is a trope, not a copy paste of any single rogue character. 7) Isabella was a rogue obsessed with sex in the party before DA:I (as well as rejecting authoritarianism). Is Sera a copy of Isabella, too? 8 ) See above. Isabella before Sera, copy too, yada yada. Based on this list, you might argue that bioware has too much a tendency to fall back on common archetypes and class tropes, but this is not evidence that Sera is meant to be a carbon copy of Leliana.