+bacon-chewtoy ty n shit/face-palm I have to pin ur comment when I get back to desktop..

League of Milk haha happy to help man

bacon-chewtoy u still have to be level 10 to change to the other vocations

I never said you didn't have to be level 10

this is wrong info, though now outdated. You can access bbi after you create your pawn

lol good luck -- the early game is serious business and you have to be prepared for every journey. fear the night, it's dark and full of terrors

Ring of perseverance.. And if ones think that fighting all the bosses and its minions is too much hassle or nonsensical.. Try the door glitch exploits.. Works for many..

Not necessarily. Barrel glitch .

Barrel glitch still working in 2023

LMAO

ikr 😂

I wish I'd mentioned this...

Only just bought it for PS3? That will raise a few eyebrows. It's a great game, i wouldn't worry about builds on your character through a first playthrough, just play it. Your pawns build is far more important, you want a quality support mage first and then once that pawn hits level 50 start a new game on an alternative account and draft your pawn in, and focus your second pawn on combat effectiveness and/or tanking. And that alt account is where you can start playing around with a build for your character as well because you'll have those pawns to cover any weaknesses. That's the way i do it anyway. Well did, until my old PS3 died, i couldn't recover my saves so I'm starting from scratch.

Oh and as for pawn build, it works the same as main character only without the stat bonuses from the three unique classes. So your support mage would be a Mage until level 10, then Sorcerer until 200 (Although technically, the magic stat has little effect on a pure support mage build but you cant go wrong with versatility). Your second pawn, for tank you want Fighter until level 100 and then Warrior til 200 for the mega health boost (just 50 levels is more than adequate though). For a purely dps combat pawn it gets a little more complicated because of individual preferences, like do you want higher stamina for sustained dps or simply greater burst damage. They are harder to get "right", switching between multiple classes. But anyway, sorry if you didn't need any of that wall of text. Just thought I'd make life in Gransys a little easier and less overwhelming for you.

@@djinnxx7050 Don't be sorry, if anything I'm thankful for the help. Any advice, as a newcomer, is welcome. I recently bought the PS3 (pristine condition) as a self Christmas gift since I've always wanted to experiment playing its games. I've been sticking with Nintendo since the NES back in those days, and PC, but PlayStation sure attracted me with some titles - and I wanted to start with the last generation rather than the current one. Sure am bit late in the console race but I don't mind! Heh, when the game arrives I'll make sure to take some notes and will incorporate these precious replies in them!

It's actually a great time to own a PS3, most games are dirt cheap bar a few titles like Nier (£50 pre-owned last time i looked, it was only £30 on release! lol), so you can build quite a solid library for pauper prices. The only issue is server shutdowns on some titles. Like i said previously, I'm having to start from scratch again but if you want to share pawns, add me on psn. "Spacedcowboy27". I should have my mage pawn up to a decent standard pretty quickly, once I've finished playing through a few other games. Oh and don't forget to make a second account, it's a bit of a hassle but well worth it in the end as It gives you full control of your party. Add a third if you can be arsed and you'll have the perfect party set-up and will be laughing at the toughest enemies in the game (most likely whilst everyone is wearing goldforged Immortal armor). But that's a whole lot of grinding to get each pawn to level 200 and well equipped. Unless you can grind Bitterblack as early as possible, it will take over a hundred hours for each pawn. But as a said, it's well worth it. And another tidbit, avoid Guardian and Nexus pawn inclinations like the plague, they make pawns basically stand around doing nothing during a fight. Those pawns deserve to take a swim.

I caught that too lol. Suikoden 2 is hands down my all time favorite rpg and the suikoden series is tied at best rpg series to me next to final fantasy.

Loved it as well. And I echo the comment above mine.

XD

The wyrm drew first blood... when it took my heart like it's motherf'ing temple of doom around heeya

lol. Would you think less of me if I told you I never saw a Rambo movie before?

+Witcher Aether I’m not mad, just disappointed. And olD:

Love the taste in music^^

Thank you and you’re welcome!! Get hyped for Eiyuden Chronicles my friend! Google it if you are t familiar

Good ear!!!!! Glad you enjoyed😁🙏

It's annoying, agreed -- I wouldn't worry much tho b/c your stats from equipment will far outstrip what you get from stats. At lvl 200, even leveled completely for physical dmg, with top tier sorcerer stuff you can still crush as a mage.

I heard a lot of stuff got added to NMS -- heard it's a pretty good game now but I don't know any details

Very good advice, wouldn't recommend for a first PT to nab stuff there since it will ruin the difficulty curve, but for advanced players have at it

When does the stamina penalty goes away? Im at level 34

​@@tengkuhafiz417450 or something, thr dlc area is recommended at Lvl 50

Mystic knight. Sadly both swords/maces and staves are considered primary weapons, making you go through the equipment menu to switch between them; though magick shields have some great abilites too

And should I use pawns? I think I heard they take some of your exp. The ones that you create.

Pawns actually do reduce xp gain, that's true, but make the game more fun too. Maybe run with just 3. There are skills from other classes you may want, particularly the augments or passive skills. When you get higher up in levels (like 50s), you can switch to the class you want those skills from when you're far from leveling up, get progress towards those skills, then switch back to the class (sorcerer in this case) whose stat bonuses you want to get right before you level up.

MA. A good build is 1-10 mage, followed by 87 levels as an assassin followed by the rest as a sorcerer . It is max hybrid build.

@@morningstarheir1730 I've also heard for MA go Strider 1-10, then Assassin 11-93, then 94-200 Sorcerer

You don't have to min-max at all, but you may still want to rank up your other vocations for access to their augments.

No problem - just keep leveling up doing quests you can handle, and you’ll turn the tables on those wolves! :)

Buy some throwblasts they are op

Fire for wolves. Use fire enchantment on a pawn if you are purely physical. Just don't give them another enchantment skill, if you are early on they tend to use the wrong one sometimes

If vanilla-ware somehow got the rights from konami... that would be literally beautiful

konami is allergic to making good decisions

MakesMoves couldn’t agree more!!!

Well you got it

Hell Yes..Can you add Dragon Age Origins 1 and Darksiders 2 while you're at it 😁

Hm good question.. sorcerer for max damage at any cost, or stick with strider for a good mix of all stats! Balance is sometimes best 👍

Sooo gud.

check the links -- I link to the wiki where those charts are

Hmm that class is a bit of an exception.. I would probably do assassin most of the time for the highest cumulative atk and magic atk (8) so you're getting the top gains overall, then maybe some lvls as sorcerer to buff the magic side a bit.

but don't forget, minmaxing isn't really that necessary--just make sure you have fun!!!:D

League of Milk you right man that's all I'm trying to do now I was doing some research looking at all this information like damn I hope I'm playing it right but yeah I'm enjoying the game though awesome RPG and I enjoyed your video to it was very helpful

League of Milk yeah I started out with the fighter vocation first I know some people recommend starting off with the Strider

fighter from 1-10 then assassin all the way to 200. this build works for all class's - mage and sorc but who really plays them lol. melee for the win! gota love getting up in there face and beating the shit out of them.

Tbh just stick with the classes you like imo. Maybe minmax on a second playthru

Fair points... I just called it what the product is listed as

Sounds pretty solid, but whether you go sorcerer or not, early leveling will leave your atk a little low. I think you could survive the trek to those fire daggers to fix that, however those will partially destroy early game balance and debuff your stamina. If you can’t stand waiting to be strong, go for those. If you can, maybe level as a sorcerer for a bit instead!👍🍻

Well I’d probably do sorcerer 10-100 and then switch to magic archer but it’s not a big difference to just forego minmaxing imo especially for a first playthru

What you’re describing is how dragons dogma 2 works, but yes in 1 you get static stat upgrades based on chosen vocation at moment of level up

My bad, we’ll I’d say just go sorcerer from 10-100ish as much as possible. This will give you a lot of damage with the bow. However, magical archer benefits from strength too for their daggers. SO after all that equivocating, I’d say your class is an exception and would benefit from assassin most numerically. It’s probably just best to level as you please tho!

Tbh, probably not. The consumable (I forget name) that increases magic atk temporarily plus endgame gear is all you need to shred bosses in like 20-30 seconds at max level... no matter what your stats are If you want to for nerdy minmax purposes, not very worth it. But not a bad excuse for a second/fresh playthru!

@@LeagueofMilk awesome thx for the info think ill just stick with this then if gear is all it takes heh just waiting on that 9fold ring and that electric bow i keep hearing bout no luck yet though

It is pretty confusing for sure. Maybe they are referring to the Augment you get at Rank 9 Fighter for 10% Strength increase. I, personally, have decided to ignore the stat gains for my first playthrough. I am going to only focus on Augments that I want for my class. I am wanting to play Magic Knight, so I am going to unlock Augments for Fighter, Warrior, Sorcerer, and then play Magic Knight the rest of the time.

You have to touch the stone you used to make your pawn again (there is one in gran soren as well as others spread throughout the world) and it will let you search for other pawns to put in your party. You can also dismiss pawns as you outlevel them and get new ones.

@@LeagueofMilk got it, thank you!

lol good advice again

Check link in description for details on how each class levels, but this game is mostly based on gear, so you’ll be fine no matter how you level tbh

Hm I think that’s true! Just remember stat gains are much larger from 1-100

warrior gives 5 strength per level versus 6 from assassin... for max damage warrior unfortunately you'd wanna level at least 10-100 as warrior. 101-200 the gains are reduced across the board anyway.

Also could you explain to me again the reason you said you need to get to Gran Soren ASAP to change your vocation? I couldn’t really gather from it from what you said in the video. Olra is the only one who can change your vocation (or that of your pawn) that I’m aware of, and she’s on BBI, which is first accessed from Cassardis at night after you slay the Cyclops outside the encampment after first getting the quest to seek out danger and conquer it so you can hire pawns.

I'd forgotten about the BBI option -- I was used to doing this on DD vanilla waaay back in the day where an NPC at the inn was your only option

League of Milk Innkeepers can change your vocation?

@@anonymoussmartass5347 Did you play the game blind or did you just follow some minmax walktrough? The Gran Soren Inn Keeper is supposed to be your introduction to advanced classes.

Sometimes Cynical ok he’s talking about Aslam. I’d forgotten about him being able to change your vocation. I’ve always just gone straight to Olra at BBI for that, and yes, I played it blind when I when I first got it and didn’t know what I was doing. I didn’t know that you gained various different stats for leveling up as each vocation. So I remade my Arisen and Pawn using the build I wanted to create.

Can't gain more stats -- think you're stuck with em but min-maxing rly isn't that important and sometimes is not even preferable if you want to excel at multiple classes

@@LeagueofMilk why is level infinity only 200? lol.

Strider to ranger. Fighter's more powerful techniques eat alot of stamina, while strider gives you long range and is more adept at climbing monsters and targeting their weak points. Scarlet kisses can be used while a monster is mounted for massive damage to a weakpoint

Can’t get over those ps1 bangers

Good luck and have fun -- you can always equip blast arrows if you run into trouble

People who say they're humble 9/10 are not humble

Lol I upgraded my mic a bit.. sorry about that!

If not on PC, I think you'd have to use USBs to have multiple saves. Very inconvenient.

@HCK graffiti warrior or assassin, maybe strider

@HCK graffiti So stamina is useless for those classes?

@HCK graffiti ok, I see thanks

Dang my bad I missed your comment--stamina isn't bad, but there are consumables (especially liquid vim that makes stam infinite) that make gouging stam maybe not needed

You have fine taste

Yeah that’s how to get max strength

I agree with you on this, as some play styles/skills benefit more from increased stamina/health gains as opposed to maximum strength, magic, or even defense stat growth. I also have found that more of the more powerful weapons/armor tend to buff str/mag than hp/stamina, so one could make the argument that if you were to min/max (not that I personally would), just focus on hp/stamina as your gear and augments will carry you further overall in the long run. For example, depending on how one plays a ranger build, you'd want stamina over max str if you run certain skills (gamble being the easiest example). Another possible example is a defense build that uses HP gains with defense gains as a backup (meaning playing between fighter/warrior instead of just using one) to make a more optimal tank overall (as high defense low HP builds can possibly suffer from lower HP pools to tank with as other games with stats have this trap as well). One could also argue that leveling as strides all the way makes the player/pawn a true Jack of all trades, allowing true versatility, but I digress.

hmm -- squishiness is really only a concern in the early game so you could go magick archer early but if you want the max damage you should level as a sorcerer as much as possible

Thank you, this definitely will help me make a great character when I get the game ^_^

The auto save system is not reliable

well spotted arisen

Min maxing - it’s an rpg game term mostly that means minimizing unneeded stats and maximizing needed ones to make the strongest character possible. So getting max magic and minimum strength for a mage for example

League of Milk ah thanks, hadnt heard the term before. Stay safe happy and healthy.

Good balance of stamina and strength, solid build

with what equipment? what choice of weapons if i may ask.. i m doing exactly the same , but it seems to me i like strider's daggers skills more or i am just confused. i tried assassin with sword and shield, but i m not feeling it.

Assassin can use daggers. I’d just use those. Sword isn’t as fun to me either..

How do you track this?

Like no joke before I got into meta builds I was a pure fighter and by level 60ish I was making gore chimeras giant zombies and hell hounds my bitch dragons maw is broke as fuck it’s full moonslash but x2 drags in enemy’s and turns you near if not invincible and stumble proof and it stuns lock most things that are not bosses like crazy goblins saurians don’t know what the hell to do they just have to take it

Keep in mind fighter is probably considered the weakest class overall do to assassin having 90% of their skills but with the ability to use bows daggers and shields so every class is viable I did not know assassin and sorcerer were meta till I looked it up fighter felt powerful to me

I'm sorry I missed your comments -- and thank you for them. This was a TON of useful info...

@@LeagueofMilk no problem dragons dogmas a great game and theres very few thing you can’t take on with whatever build you want. About the only enemy that will shrug off damage are possessed armors which ignore physical damage at about 50% hp as well as evil eyes and the final boss tend to laugh at magic damage. Most fights generally late game just come to dps bursting everything and using a wake stone when you get to greedy.

it's locked at 60 even on the pro, unfortunately

+League of Milk shit I meant locked at 30 frames my bad

Dang dude, that's unfortunate indeed. I have some cool mods on my PC version, it's normally hovers around 60.

I'm so sorry I missed this comment years ago, Kidnoff. No, you did not waste your character at all -- it's not important to completely minmax in dragon's dogma, in fact, if you want to go back and forth between melee and spellcasting, it's a great idea to just play any class you feel like

@@LeagueofMilk oh thank you lol, but I started a new character in Hardcore and I min/max my sorcerer. Right now I do a ng+ run only paladin and its very strong

Weird.. i hope that’s temporary.. I see yours!

Good points. I shouldn’t have disregarded stamina so thoroughly.. Can use liquid vim for full beast mode tho

@@LeagueofMilk I've seen people try that and it still kind of meh. But like you said earlier, gear heavily dictates your damage at the end of the day. I did Strider/Ranger to damn near 200 and suddenly decided to try Sorcerer and my damage was still fine, even as Warrior and Mystic Knight too. Game's pretty lenient about stats, maybe a little too lenient.

Infinite Stan and blast arrows definitely ain’t meh in my experience. Roasts daemon in under a min

Hahaha

Ok ty for input At higher levels, hp n sp items are not hard to come by. Liquid vim completely bypasses stamina letting you have all the power with no drawbacks, or just bring shrooms. I like the full power style of minmax but balanced builds you suggest are good too

@@LeagueofMilk You cannot use SP recovery items while you are charging a spell or skill. Also it's impractical to use Liquid Vim every single time you want to do so, as the items are both heavy and rare drops. Furthermore the damage of some skills like Great Gamble rely on how much stamina was used, so using a Liquid Vim will make the attack do no damage at all. There's more to a build than just whatever the character's highest base atk and matk is, and that is my point here. If you level entirely as Assassin or Sorcerer you will not be able to fully utilize some classes because you will lack the necessary SP to even use their skills properly as Sorcerer and Assassin has low defense, meaning melee classes will suffer greatly. As mentioned before, when wearing a Bitterblack Isle skill ring for Grand class skills for Sorcerer like Grand Maelstrom you won't even have enough Stamina to complete the charged version of the spell if you level entirely as a Sorcerer. The charged version of these spells greatly outdamage whatever base matk you will have leveling as Sorcerer with the uncharged version of the spells, meaning it's not optimal to build a Sorcerer while leveling as a Sorcerer. The only way around this would be to wear 2 Savior rings, which means you can't use Grand spells anyway because you need a ring slot to enable the upgraded versions of the skills. 2 Savior rings also requires beating the game twice and collecting all of the level 3 non-hellfire Bitterblack armors. So the extra points of base attack and magic attack you suggest going for, really are not that useful. Besides this weapon attack and magic attack values coupled with boosted augments make up the majority of most skill damage and base attack is a small part of the calculation. On hard mode, my character leveled from 1 to 200 as a Strider had enough magic attack that once I got the lv2 Bitterblack bow for Magic Archer, coupled with 4 stacks of Magic balancer, could beat pretty much the entire dungeon by himself solo using Ricochet Hunter and adding 4 stacks of demon periapt with Ninefold Bolt (needs the Bitterblack lv2 / 3 ring that upgrades the skill) can solo Awakened Daemon in less than 2 minutes. Can do the same as Ranger with explosive arrows, can also do it with a Warrior build and high end sword, too. You don't need high base matk or attk in this game. What you really need is HP and SP with base stats at least over 350 for the class you want to play, and if melee you need good base def and mdef together which Fighter gives best for but Strider is also acceptable (though less optimal). That's it really. tl:dr the base Vocations of Fighter, Strider and Mage have the best stat growths for their respective Advanced classes and Hybrid classes. Leveling as a Strider is however sufficient to play any class in the game well, but if you want to min-max for a particular Advanced job then you lv as Fighter or Mage to ensure you have enough HP and SP, too, along with other necessary stats like def / mdef in the case of a pure melee class like Warrior. This is especially true for hard mode where enemies hit much harder and while some augments will negate low damage attacks completely, this won't help you when trying to tank as much as you'd think.

Good points/info - I kinda like being squishy but might try fighter or strider next playthru!

Idk stamina items are plentiful and I like to be squishy, but a lotta ppl prefer strider n fighter gains for the balance That significant extra attack gain from assassin can help take on threats above your level early for me, which I like I appreciate the comment/input

Yeah not a good idea for first playthru at least

I feel that -- DD is just more consistently fun and likable in many ways compared to souls. I really hope Capcom invests in a full sequel but DD is going to be I am always happy going back to regardless.

@@LeagueofMilk Dark souls is just like a hard arcade game to me. (i mean... the progression is so linear, nothing to choose really, just go forward and kill this then that, not much freedom, even in character building, so basic) The fight in itself is so basic too... hit, dodge, hit, dodge, repeat. Meanwhile, you have a real rpg, made by CAP-freaking-COM ffs! :O That pretty much guarantees that the fights hit hard! The first dragon you meet, early ventures in bitterblack isle, etc -> it all feels so mysterious, epic and can be a real challenge! (ofc, i avoid to just "throwblast-cheese the whole... the pleasure is in the trip more than the destination, even if the destination is also awesome!") I am currently in love with this game and can safely say that it is, in MY opinion, the best single player RPG to date, even if it has its natural share of bugs/flaws!

Loved reading that... lol

You dare sully the name of the game that brought us the man, the myth, the legend: Giant Dad /s (to each their own my dude, don't you dare go hollow)

ah fair nuf.. sorry it didn't keep your interest

You go into bitterblack isle? That's the dark soul like aspect in the game

What class did you play and what did you get up to?

I had just made it to the city. I was asked to go into some descending spiral shaped dungeon. there was a boss at the bottom that I wasted a good hour+ on only to finally look it up and discover that it was invincible. I went back up to the city but I was already struggling to enjoy any of the gameplay and had no idea what to do next, and no motivation to find something to do, coupled with the discouragement of the trick boss fight, so I just gave up. I also really didn't like the forced followers, especially that one of them can't be designed by the player.

That's fair I guess, you can get rid of rook though. What class were you playing as?