Dragons and Storm Gods: Why good dragons turned bad

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Crecganford

Crecganford

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Storm Gods and Dragons is a story about how good dragons turned bad, and how the rise of the Storm God meant the end of Dragons. We talk about Tiamat, Vritra, Jörmungandr, Thor, Indra, YHWH, and many other figures that help us see how these myths evolved.
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References:
Ayali-Darsham, Noga. The Storm-God and the Sea. Trans. Liat Keren. Oriental Religions in Antiquity. 2020.
Larrington, Carolyne. Poetic Edda. Oxford University Press. 2014
Stanhope, Ben. (Mis)interpreting Genesis: How the Creation Museum Misunderstands the Ancient Near Eastern Context of the Bible. 2020
Chapters
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0:00 Introduction
2:20 The Birth of the Storm Gods
4:48 Good dragons turn bad
6:33 Storm Gods vs Dragons
8:30 A Near Eastern motif
10:23 The Indo-European motifs
12:36 The Rise of the Storm God
13:28 Was Thor really a Storm God?
15:12 The rise of the Warrior
16:40 The Proto Indo-European Storm God's evolution
20:14 The Vedic Storm God, not Indo-European?
21:49 The common enemy

Пікірлер: 497
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Are there any dragons you would like to know more about?
@jashansingh4999
@jashansingh4999 Жыл бұрын
Fáfnir and Sigurður
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
@@jashansingh4999 What a story that was... yes, I have told some of Sigurður tales here, but perhaps I should dive deep into the one about Fáfnir. Great idea. Thank you.
@jashansingh4999
@jashansingh4999 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford It would be great looking forward fór the video patiencently
@OffRampTourist
@OffRampTourist Жыл бұрын
Possible identification of some Biblical angels as dragons? The firey serpent that could heal the israelites when in the desert?
@hubert4538
@hubert4538 Жыл бұрын
Wawel Dragon
@Jabranalibabry
@Jabranalibabry Жыл бұрын
A veteran and psych here, I once saw lightening strike in a mountainous region with heavy rain. Let me tell you, if you've never seen it up close, nothing can compare to it. It's unbelievably bright and mesmerisingly terrifying.
@OffRampTourist
@OffRampTourist Жыл бұрын
Agreed! I once saw a bolt strike a telephone pole just ahead of the car I was a passenger in, and it was followed by ball lightning crawling down the pole. We couldn't get away fast enough!
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын
I was on a military base, reading a Dresden Files book, where the main wizard conversed with the horned Erlking, Lord of the Wild Hunt, I looked up and saw a flash of lightning that looked like the outline of a stag's head
@SakkiDuran
@SakkiDuran Жыл бұрын
Yeah I liked it. I had one striking right next to my old house. I used to live in a third floor and it just lighted everything up. I even recall hearing a click and half a second of total silence. Then boom! I fell in love with thunder ❤️
@MickAngelhere
@MickAngelhere 11 ай бұрын
I was riding my motorbike in a massive storm one night , many years ago, when lightning struck literally a fifty feet in from me and turned night into day and it was extremely bright
@Brandon-a-writer
@Brandon-a-writer Жыл бұрын
thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Galileo Galiao
@yoeyyoey8937
@yoeyyoey8937 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been caught outside during a massive lightning storm, having to walk a few miles by myself, as an adult. It was one of the more frightening experiences of my life. It was so unbelievably violent that I could not even stand to look at it, I stole some glances but I was completely humbled by the raw terror of nature.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
It is an experience. We're having many thunder storms right now in England, and I'm in awe at the power of them, and so much lightning. Incredible.
@fernandosanz4422
@fernandosanz4422 Жыл бұрын
I love how this episode ties in with the previous one about the dragon origins. The quality of your output keeps rising and rising. Thank you so much
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for you kind words, and for watching these videos. It is all appreciated.
@algernoncalydon3430
@algernoncalydon3430 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing about thunder is not the rain that comes afterward, but the fire. In natural environments like forests or steppe, positive lightning strikes are the main source of large fires. As we've seen in Alaska, some of these fires can devastate areas for hundreds of miles. Some can run with a three hundred foot high wall of fire on the front. The sound of a wind driven fire is like a hundred freight trains coming your way.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
That's a good point. Thank you for sharing it.
@SensoriaMaRia
@SensoriaMaRia Жыл бұрын
I was about to write the same for the recent (6 years worth) of California fires. Last year's Dixie Complex Mega Fire destroyed over 1 million acres in of itself. While this particular fire took out so much land in our Sierra Nevadas, ultimately it was caused by aged power infrastructure. But God, everytime we see thunderheads gather we are on edge. Never knowing when or where dry lightning will hit our beloved Mountains.
@danf7411
@danf7411 Жыл бұрын
@@SensoriaMaRia forestry practices in California are ass backwards, these goblins do need to to go to underground cables where you are but lack of prescribed burns are a bigger issue. If we leave the forest to itself while we are living inside of it we are not going to like nature's solution. Gotta manicure the forest, you can only put so much on climate change and pg and 3
@aariley2
@aariley2 Жыл бұрын
SCARY!!!
@littlebird619
@littlebird619 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest the opposite, in Australia the seasonal burning coming from nature, harnessed by the indigenous peoples, is what promotes new growth of grasses and the germination of seeds. In fact the power of fire, brings death and then new life.
@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy
@Mr.HotDogShirtGuy Жыл бұрын
Crecganford has become one of my favorite channels since discovering it! Your analysis of myths, legends, stories are fascinating! I love your work!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words and for watching my videos
@ebo1980s
@ebo1980s Жыл бұрын
The Bible also says Hades is Satan. So who is zues
@darrylviljoen6227
@darrylviljoen6227 11 ай бұрын
​@@ebo1980sSatan's brother.
@lizc6393
@lizc6393 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how this channel doesn't have a massive following. Mad props my man, your presentation and expertise is captivating.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm not much of a social media person, so I just let the channel wander along at its own pace :)
@OldOneTooth
@OldOneTooth Жыл бұрын
A large crocodile could certainly have bound access to water, emerging to drag down sacrifices.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, and I wouldn't discount it as an influence in the myth's development.
@jonbennett4809
@jonbennett4809 Жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to when you do a video like this for sun gods. I use a lot of mythological references in my writing and this was an eye-opening video on the “root” of storm gods and where their myths intersect. Thanks for all your hard work!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, I think a video on Sun Gods would be worth while. Leave it with me.
@justsomebeer
@justsomebeer Жыл бұрын
That was the most perfect subscription request ever.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I do try to make them a little different.
@KassandraFuria13
@KassandraFuria13 Жыл бұрын
My hunting dog still feels like that frightened ! I live in the middle of Germany and he starts trembling, when there is thunderstorm and bad weather in eastern France. Thank you very much for your wonderful deep work !
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching, I hope your dog is ok.
@arthurkoopmanswatercolors
@arthurkoopmanswatercolors Жыл бұрын
Indra does have the same consonants as the Germanic Donar coincidentally. There is another quality of serpents and dragons that is of note, and that is poisonous fumes. It is also these fumes that Thor succumbs to, either falling from his chariot to earth (Thunor) or taking a few strides before he falls (Thor at Ragnarökr). In a Hindu myth, it is the serpent Vasuki that emits venomous fumes. Of course, ordinary snakes can produce venom, but not venomous fumes as far as I know... The poisonous breath of serpents also reminds me of the book of Revelation, where a star called Wormwood poisons the waters and makes them bitter.
@OffRampTourist
@OffRampTourist Жыл бұрын
Were some fiery flying serpents said to emit poisonous fumes?
@bardmadsen6956
@bardmadsen6956 Жыл бұрын
@@OffRampTourist I don't recall specifically both attributed to the same beast yet they smell terrible, like swamps, produce acid / lye rain, and bring pestilence.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
The poisonous fumes are not a regular motif within the dragon, and whilst we see some big examples of it, it doesn't mean it was a common feeling, and so I think we should look at this more closely.
@TropicOfCancer1998
@TropicOfCancer1998 Жыл бұрын
Maybe its a spitting cobra!?
@szymonbaranowski8184
@szymonbaranowski8184 Жыл бұрын
Marshes, fog and evil breath. Explanations are unlimited
@constantinedeboudox
@constantinedeboudox Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great videos. Thunder striking the tree would have also been one of humanity's earliest sources of fire, thus maybe connected with the stolen celestial fire motif.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, it may have, and thank you for watching the videos.
@krzysztofzpucka7220
@krzysztofzpucka7220 Жыл бұрын
Fight between dragon and storm god is in fact symbolic description of a bolide (flying and fire-spitting dragon) entering the earth's atmosphere and ensuing phenomena (storm god) - firestorm, thunder, hurricane and so forth.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
In which culture's mythology?
@nickferraro5775
@nickferraro5775 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to hear u talk about Yahwehs original pantheon!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
That is a project I am working on, and still some months away, but it is very fascinating.
@TheBottegaChannel
@TheBottegaChannel 11 ай бұрын
I've seen that type of storm you spoke of. That's the type of storm that's both deadly and gorgious, like staring into the eyes of a kaijuu sized carnivore. Forces of nature in such raw, unfiltered, no f**ks given form like that is true testament to legends.
@nobodyexceptme7794
@nobodyexceptme7794 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I see waterspouts/tornadoes pop up over the water I always imagine a prehistoric man looking out from the beach and thinking of it as a dragon. A huge funnel of wind and water twisting from ocean to sky, all kinds of noise.
@kalpeshn3092
@kalpeshn3092 Жыл бұрын
20:20 Awesome content. Another name for Vedic Indra is Purandara (= "destroyer of strongholds") - quite similar to Perun.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, and yes, it is.
@jasonmain6398
@jasonmain6398 Жыл бұрын
By the way this is literally my favorite channel on youtube. I think this field of inquiry is criminally underrated on the whole.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and I agree there is certainly not much available to the public to understand these things really deeply, which is why I created this channel.
@ThunderMoon6458
@ThunderMoon6458 Ай бұрын
I love thunder storms they always make me feel good weather I'm walking in it or sitting inside with the window open
@arcyniminimagik
@arcyniminimagik Жыл бұрын
This dragon has never been defeated. It will be back one day. For now, it merely sleeps at the bottom of the ocean, near the sunken city of R'lyeh...
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I think I won't holiday near there then.
@Ashley-tz2ww
@Ashley-tz2ww 6 ай бұрын
None of them are bad, and ALL work together to create a beautiful, wonderful life for us all ❤
@mightandmercy
@mightandmercy 7 ай бұрын
0:52 ok that sound effect had me jumping. Thanks for a library of great videos. Inspiring for writing and D&D
@zipperpillow
@zipperpillow Жыл бұрын
Welcome back Jon. I miss you when you're gone. You have the best channel on the internet, dense, rich, and insightful. Great stuff.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
And thank you for your kind words. They are very much appreciated.
@Terroid
@Terroid Жыл бұрын
17:46 Many people draw "Perkunos" to India's "Parjanya" or "Indra", but i haven't seen anyone talk or relate "Perkunos" to the vedic god of rain/water, who is "Varun"/"Varuna". We can see mentions of varun as early as the beginning of Rigveda. I feel, Varun like the Slavic "Perun" was the first god of water and rain, which then "Indra" took over the duties of later on(Edit: Here's another thing which came into mind, "Mithra" who was treated as a god, but wasn't worshiped as such, was also a good friend of Varuna, hence the term "Mithra" is still used in Indian languages today which translates to "Friend", this has definitely something to do with the Mithra of Persia and the Roman cult of Mithras, again..., just my thoughts). Those are just my thoughts, what do you think about this?? Also a small titbit, the word "Indra" refers to "Indriya", or sense organs. He is said to be a god with a 100 eyes(sense organs), and can feel or see what everyone can see. Yeah this description is also very rare, but i've read this in the ancient texts as well.. Is this somehow related to the ancient Canaanite religion(as their later angels in the abrahamic text almost fit this kind of description)??
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I think this needs its own video as a response, especially around Varuna. So leave this with me and I will make this.
@Terroid
@Terroid Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford :O. Nice!! Love your work :D!
@Terroid
@Terroid Жыл бұрын
@@Deepak_Dhakad hmm yeah, tbh that makes more sense It's been a while since I've last read the books lol, sorry mb!
@arta.xshaca
@arta.xshaca Жыл бұрын
@@Deepak_Dhakad as far as I know Vishnu and Shiva were also cursed by sages while Brahma was cursed by Shiva... all Trimurti gods are cussed
@szymonbaranowski8184
@szymonbaranowski8184 Жыл бұрын
it's just regular Indoeuropean confusion every time their population grew they altered and mixed Gods overthinking things. 100eyes is like Sviatovid. It's either the idea or more vague allgod mix of all elements or specifically of middleworld the Mithraic part makes them more similar to Hermes, god of agreements, vowes, traders, travellers a sworn brothership is one aspect he could guarantee It's always depending on context. As world cycles good and evil cycles light and darkness cycles and neither of these is inherently good of evil or stronger we with our hierarchies can't comprehend it it comes from time of cults inherited in families without any centralises monolithic imposed system it was as fluid as imagination of the old grandpas and grandmas who repeating old stories
@edwardspencer3906
@edwardspencer3906 6 ай бұрын
Grew up in the Lightning capitol of the world, central Florida and have had many first hand experiences...Awe inspiring is an Understatement.. can understand how our ancestors saw God in it....
@jashansingh4999
@jashansingh4999 Жыл бұрын
Another work of art keep up spreading the knowledge
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and your support.
@paperboy1116
@paperboy1116 Жыл бұрын
Man am I glad I found this channel! This dives so hard into myths compared to a lot of other channels. This makes me want to do an entire day of deep dives into this
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, I hope you enjoy it here.
@M15115
@M15115 Жыл бұрын
yes, i just found this channel and the only other creator i know that is similar with the video's quality and depth is Arith Härger !
@18differentbones
@18differentbones Жыл бұрын
My dreams are narrated by this man.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what I'm narrating, but I hope they're sweet dreams.
@samuelesanfilippo222
@samuelesanfilippo222 Жыл бұрын
The dragon slaying myth in some part of europe is also perceived as a change of season kind of event, like dragon kidnap the wove of the storm god the god would pursue and kill the dragon amd his blood would be the rain. At least i rememember reading of this in latvian myth or the like (lithuan latvian and such tend to be quite similar)
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, the myths and motifs change with culture and environment, and blood for rain is the most common of these.
@ohioheathen1997
@ohioheathen1997 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your work as a Polythiest and a aspiring historian!
@chadb1675
@chadb1675 Жыл бұрын
Amazing research as always
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@thepeff
@thepeff Жыл бұрын
"There's thunder in his footsteps and lightning in his fists." --Christian Singer Rich Mullins, from song Awesome God The idea of YHWH being a storm god seems to be imprinted on believers even today.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, and sharing that quote... that is definitely a storm god he's talking about.
@misssecondstar
@misssecondstar Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this fantastic education
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching, and your kind words.
@milliondollarmistake
@milliondollarmistake Жыл бұрын
honestly a video about God's old pantheon sounds really interesting
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
That is on my list of videos to make :)
@MouseTheMightiest
@MouseTheMightiest Жыл бұрын
The first thunder clap made me jump lol
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Sorry about that, just trying to prove the point :)
@MrOuruboros
@MrOuruboros Жыл бұрын
This is a great deal!: I like and subscribe, and give a comment now and then, and you teach me stuff and tell awesome stories. You are a great storyteller. Thanks
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching the videos.
@imaginempress3408
@imaginempress3408 Жыл бұрын
Storm witches were my topic of discussion this evening. This is a great tie-in.
@lemur68winny666
@lemur68winny666 Жыл бұрын
It's hard to find quality content on yt, but there it is. Thank you ❤️
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@lemur68winny666
@lemur68winny666 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford on top of that you're a very good storyteller. Also, every time I see a list of references my inner nerd sighs with relief.
@dantanner6631
@dantanner6631 Жыл бұрын
I have so many videos to catch up on! 85k subscribers now wow congratulations johnathan nobody on youtube more deserving! 👍🙌
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words. It's all gone a bit bonkers on the channel.
@williamwright4586
@williamwright4586 Жыл бұрын
Regarding the book of Job quotation, I suggest listening to Professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou (Exeter). It seems YAWAH first had to bash the sea monsters. Then in Job he's more powerful and can catch them on a hook. Later in Jewish faiths he plays with sea monsters. She talks really well about this online. It's quite an interesting progression.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I know Francesca, and have her latest book. I have spoken to a number of other academics about this, and there is some ambiguity in YHWHs development, but also in what Leviathan and Behemoth really were. And we are trying to work it out, putting our heads together. Thank you for your comment, and for watching.
@EmL-kg5gn
@EmL-kg5gn 4 ай бұрын
I remember when I was little sometimes there would be really big storms that woke everyone up. My family would get up and sit together to watch the storm. I loved it! Sometimes the thunder was so loud that even if you yelled at the top of your lungs the person next to you couldn’t hear you at all. The normally very quiet creek not far from our house would be rushing too! There were places where it ran through big pipes, big enough to climb through, and they became like giant hoses. Think how a hose is when you turn it up fully. The water rushed like that but bigger and faster, it shot out of the pipes at the exits, and occasionally there was so much water the pipes couldn’t carry it all! Some houses would flood a little in a storm like that and the next day after things quietened down us kids would play in any water that had collected and go to find the big branches or maybe a tree that had fallen. We always got leeches from the flood water but we didn’t mind! The water would drain away pretty quickly and the creek would calm down eventually too
@dalestaley5637
@dalestaley5637 Жыл бұрын
As always, your content is outstanding. You're part of my daily enrichment of the mind. Thank you Jon.
@arthurkoopmanswatercolors
@arthurkoopmanswatercolors Жыл бұрын
look's like it's tea time!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Indeed it is!
@scm523
@scm523 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your fantastic work in narrating and explaining the myths of our ancestors (and providing us with the bibliography to go deeper into these interesting questions). Greetings from Majorca
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching and your kind words.
@sundownmcgrath3492
@sundownmcgrath3492 Жыл бұрын
Love all your videos, thank you.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@betsyeverson859
@betsyeverson859 Жыл бұрын
That was fascinating. Thank you so much!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Your welcome. It is always good to see people are enjoying my work.
@cynthiarowley719
@cynthiarowley719 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Love your closed captioning. Never an error! Actual Intelligence 🕊️🖖
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I do try to make it accurate and multi-lingual.
@thefishinthepercolator3031
@thefishinthepercolator3031 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting how Thor "could be his own grandfather" with a different name when you consider the fact that the world will begin again after ragnarok, like the Hindu concept of Kalpas. This cyclical nature of the world and maybe then some of it's inhabitants being reborn/reincarnated lines up pretty well with Jormungandr as an Ouroboros having killed thor itself tying him directly to the idea of both worlds and souls as eternally repeating. What I am saying is that the Norse pagans might have believed in reincarnation..
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
This is really hard to answer with a yes or no, in terms of reincarnation, due to Christian corruption is much documentation. Certainly the belief in the culture suggested in the Old Norse Eddas do not suggest such a thing, just that the world will start from fresh post Ragnarǫk.
@donnalowe9334
@donnalowe9334 Жыл бұрын
I think so too which could also address why all the name changes with different lifetimes. When you connect the dots ...it adds up. There are some faiths that teach reincarnation as normal for us being Star Seeds. We would naturally have a different name each time and maybe have different gifts.
@donnalowe9334
@donnalowe9334 Жыл бұрын
Once I found this and studied it - how could this BE or even exist. When you see how it fits together but the dates are so mixed up. WHO could have painted all these and have this fit. It appears to be the same Lady with different coloring, yet the same - similar look. It seems impossible. Who were the Old Masters - why do we call them Old Masters anyway? I wonder IF it is The Goddess?The ONE in the Song of Solomon? Some sort of what...proof? Short video on u tube... Women in Art, with additional artist information Imperial Hotel Management College
@thefishinthepercolator3031
@thefishinthepercolator3031 Жыл бұрын
@@donnalowe9334 I think that if we are to take reincarnation seriously, we have to assume that the soul is timeless and therefore capable of overlapping with itself in corporeal life, executing "karmic progression" upon itself. As if a singular divinity establishes itself as innumerable archetypes, and with them "reality" unfolding, in order to reason itself out; god created man in his own image, as above so below, Samsara and Moksha; the answer is 42 and so on..
@donnalowe9334
@donnalowe9334 Жыл бұрын
@@thefishinthepercolator3031 Bingo!
@teddyjones7799
@teddyjones7799 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and so very well explained Outstanding work. Thank you
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind words.
@PjotrFrank
@PjotrFrank Жыл бұрын
Yet another great video on a most interesting mythology. The only thing I missed, was the Old High German "Donar" showing up on your map. ;)
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I missed out many, it would be too messy... but for Donar it would become Thunor.
@MrKreinen
@MrKreinen Жыл бұрын
I love your show, sir; Such enriching content!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@hubert4538
@hubert4538 Жыл бұрын
I love your work!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching it, and your kind words.
@froggystyle642
@froggystyle642 Жыл бұрын
Not watched yet, saved for later. Beer's in the fridge. Always cracking content mate.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and I hope you like it, and the beer!
@Larcey
@Larcey Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@StarlasAiko
@StarlasAiko Жыл бұрын
I remember having been caught out in a thunderstorm while suffering severe heat fatigue, borderline heat stroke. And it was not a thunderstorm a couple of miles away, it was right above and around me. The thunder was like the explosions cannon fire, the lightning was blindingly bright. For the following three years after that, I suffered panic attacks at the sound of any thunder, however faint.
@robpatterson3133
@robpatterson3133 Жыл бұрын
Awesome pick of subjects 🤘🙂👍
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, and your kind words.
@brianroberts783
@brianroberts783 Жыл бұрын
One of the big problems with trying to reconstruct the development of Norse Mythology is that most of the sources we have were written down by Christians centuries after the conversion of Scandinavia and Iceland. As such, stories like Ragnarok are likely significantly altered from their traditional forms to emphasize the weaknesses of Pagan deities compared to the Christian God. The respective deaths of Thor and Odin at Ragnarok is probably one such change.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, there is without doubt Christian influence, although it is less likely in poems as it was for the Prose which Snorri wrote. We do have hints of these stories in other texts, and for the Völuspá in particular there is more than one version, and so I'm not sure the change was done within the poem when written down, but possible earlier Christian influence in mythology to create the poem in the first place.
@DogMechanic
@DogMechanic Жыл бұрын
I was always under the impression that legends of Leviathan were influenced by crocodiles rather than hippos (with the "rows of shields upon it's back")- which, given they can get 20ft long, makes a perfect Earthly dragon to mythologize.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I’m sure many of these creatures all helped influence the myth.
@braukorpshomebrew6039
@braukorpshomebrew6039 Жыл бұрын
I'm really digging all of these dragon videos. Keep it up!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I will take a couple of weeks off dragons for now, as this video didn't do very well. But they will be back!
@arta.xshaca
@arta.xshaca Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford how can you determine it did not do well in a few days if some people discover and rapidly start watching things much later?
@maldito_sudaka
@maldito_sudaka Жыл бұрын
2:34 Tupã ❤️ And don't forget the Yoruba god Shango with his axe, very similar to Thor. And the Aztec god Tlaloc.
@christinamarie1705
@christinamarie1705 Жыл бұрын
Excellent content 😁
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Drbob369
@Drbob369 Жыл бұрын
There are disturbing things at Karahan tepe that seem like sado masochism ceremonies to me. Good work!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Durakken
@Durakken Жыл бұрын
I love Dragons but I'd love videos on the ... Gigantomachy, Dionysus, and their possible connection to each other and the Biblical story of Abraham and Lot. The various Origins of the names of the continents and people with and the table of nations. The Council of Kings at Byblos that seems to me to possibly be the origin of the idea of pantheons. I'd also love to hear more of Egyptian and Asian mythology and how it connects what you've covered so far... Also the how/where the "elements" like wind, water, earth, fire, void, came from and how they're all linked together... Likewise, is there any mythological links to the development of colors. It seems to me that there should be some sort myth that "created" the idea of each of the colors. I've never come across any but it seems like something that should be there to me.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
There is a lot there, but I will add the ideas to my list. Thank you.
@martybartfast1
@martybartfast1 Жыл бұрын
Again another fantastic description of the history of our ongoing story. I play an RPG called Rune Quest, so much cross over; even in the entertainment dieties. Thank you Sir! I love your work. Best wishes to you and yours. Peace, m out.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and your kind words.
@martybartfast1
@martybartfast1 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford Kind they may be, but deserved they are most definately. Thank you. You do more than you think. Knoeledge is the greatest gift. You are Legend in some of our eyes/ears/mind. Feel the goose bumps of appreciation that others have for you. Paece Sir! m out
@AzureSkyCiel
@AzureSkyCiel Жыл бұрын
Kind of shocking, I would have expected Yahweh to have originally been a sun deity.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
YHWH went through a number of changes over time, although I can't recall a significant story suggesting he was a sun deity, but I will make a video about his history soon.
@arta.xshaca
@arta.xshaca Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford btw, why did Jews become monotheistic suddenly? Why was the god (Yahweh) Moses (possibly) brought from his father in law Jethro's nation (the Midianites) become their favorite?
@shehzadadarashikoh9463
@shehzadadarashikoh9463 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber , nice and unique content about ancient past
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support, it is appreciated.
@danahegna4442
@danahegna4442 Жыл бұрын
My home-town in a valley with surrounding mountain ranges, in Montana, US, is considered semi-arid. The first time I was in a TENT in Minnesota (which has twice the annual rainfall amount) during a thunder-storm, at every thunder-clap I had a strong involuntary startle-response - even though I was consciously focused, counting seconds after lightning flashes, and anticipating the loud 'crack'! Makes sense to me - a Storm God battling a Dragon, forcing it to release precious water. It was an intense visceral experience - the kind of excitement (good or bad) that sticks in the memory.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Wow, that sounds incredible. Thank you for sharing!
@Ratnoseterry
@Ratnoseterry Жыл бұрын
Im curious about the 3 books on your shelf that together create an archer or centaur, what are they if you don't mind my asking? 🤔
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
They are by Quilles, who compiles the data for the info European migration maps I sometimes use.
@eugenkt777
@eugenkt777 Жыл бұрын
you make videos like a pro wow I dont know how you dont have many more viewers
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@OffRampTourist
@OffRampTourist Жыл бұрын
Another great presentation. Interested in any connections between dragons and volcanoes.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Now that's an interesting suggestion, I'll put it on my to do list.
@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah
@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah Жыл бұрын
Dragons have been associated with comets and given that comets are often laden with ice, therefore responsible and key to the delivery of water to the planet, it makes a little sense that the connection could be made there. Also of note is that the presence of comets / asteroids / meteors lines up with a direct correlation of increased volcanic activity on the earth so it would appear that the potential connection is two for two so far. Lol These breakdowns and stories are so fun to deep dive into. Thanks for all the great content and comments
@krzysztofzpucka7220
@krzysztofzpucka7220 Жыл бұрын
"Then follows a mighty battle between the gods and the Comet. It can have, of course, but one termination; but it will recur again and again in the legends of different nations. It was necessary that the gods, the protectors of mankind, should struggle to defend them against these strange and terrible enemies. But their very helplessness and their deaths show how immense was the calamity which had befallen the world."
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and the quote, I like reading these things and so it is appreciated.
@almadeltigre2777
@almadeltigre2777 Жыл бұрын
I’ve recently found your channel and immediately subscribed and watched so many of your videos! Would you be able to do a video on the phoenix/firebird type of myths throughout cultures and history?
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and yes, it is on my list of videos to produce.
@arta.xshaca
@arta.xshaca Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford Please do one on the "farthest plane of Earth", often being utopian or with it’s own "heaven" without death (Indian Ocean of Milk with its White Island, Germanic Odain Sakr... and possibly Shia Islamic Jabulqa and Jabulsa at the world-bordering mountain range of Qaf). And this may be old but idk: a video on the possible three sky belief of Proto Indo Europeans, only preserved in Greece after combining it with Hurrian myths of castration and overthrow of grandpa by pa by the ultimate ruler of the SKY (and the world).
@stargatis
@stargatis 11 ай бұрын
I’m an adult and I’m never afraid, but last night I was walking through my neighborhood and it sounded like there was thunder coming from the ocean! I heard it three separate times and i hurried home lol
@spacecowboytroy4882
@spacecowboytroy4882 Жыл бұрын
Im wondering if the difference between the 'taming of the seas/dragon' myths in the west and the 'gift of water from a good dragon' could also have been influenced by the turbulent nature of the Atlantic vs the calm Pacific respectively; great work as always!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. I'm not sure our ancestors would have thought of things at that level, and the influence is more to do with the use of water in culture, from the Hunter Gatherers understanding the need for rain, to agricultural farmers, to pastoral farmers no longer so in need of it, coupled with the value of cows versus crops.
@haardshah2443
@haardshah2443 10 ай бұрын
Both Indra and Thor were considered kings of gods(alongside Marduk, Ball, Yahweh etc etc) but as time passes on, Odin becomes most popular in Nordic mythology whereas Rudra/Shiva becomes one of the most popular in his pantheon. Now, both Odin and Shiva are same gods, both have a 3rd eye, both of them are described as wanderers. Why did this happen?
@Soarcio
@Soarcio Жыл бұрын
This sounds interesting, at like 2 o'clock in the morning I was reading about Norse Mythology, and Thor, and this video will be interesting to find why Storm Gods are the most powerful / the most praised.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoyed it.
@blakewinter1657
@blakewinter1657 Жыл бұрын
Really excellent video, and I am glad to get answers to the question 'Why do good dragons go bad?'
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and yes, many people asked that question after the last video.
@Zumbs
@Zumbs Жыл бұрын
Could the storm god defeating the dragon be seen as development of sailing using sails? Sails allowed sailors to follow the wind instead of the currents in the water that could be treacherous.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
'm not personally sure this would be the case, but if I find anything that suggests this I will let you know.
@szymonbaranowski8184
@szymonbaranowski8184 Жыл бұрын
they still sailed seas and these were still deadly winds weren't reliable either
@gaufrid1956
@gaufrid1956 Жыл бұрын
This is also why the people of the Visayas and Mindanao called on the protection of Bathala (or Magbabaya in the case of the tribes of Northern Mindanao) against the power of Bakunawa!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@gaufrid1956
@gaufrid1956 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford I love your work Jon!
@Jordan-ez2gn
@Jordan-ez2gn Жыл бұрын
Really wish there was a class I could take for this kind of stuff
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
That’s why I teach on KZfaq, as Universities just don’t have a degree that is broad enough to cover all the mythology we discuss here. You tend to have to become an expert in a particular field.
@OolongTeaGreen
@OolongTeaGreen Жыл бұрын
Great discussion. The myth of Varuna is linked to this theme as well. It's the prelude to the Indra vs Vritra.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I want to make a video about Varuna specifically soon. Thank you for watching.
@afu357
@afu357 Жыл бұрын
I always found it interesting that name Indra is very similar to lithuanian word Audra (which pronounced very similary). Audra in lithuanian means storm. There are other Hindu gods those names have meaning in lithuanian, for example Agni god of fire and lithuanian word for fire being Ugnis (also sounds very similary), Ugnė being pagan lihuanian goddess of fire. Vāyu hindu god of wind and vėjas meaning wind in lithuanian. Dyauṣ hindu god of sky and pagan lithuanian god of sky and creation Dievas.
@js1423
@js1423 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Can't wait for the Stanhope-interview, since there could be so much comparison between ANE and Indo-European culture!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I'm talking to him, he thinks I know as much as him, so having private chats first, but then the KZfaq interview.
@js1423
@js1423 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford Good to hear! Can’t wait for it, whenever it might happen!
@emom358
@emom358 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are incredible! I was wondering if there is a timeline of who did what when?
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you. And I would love to make a timeline to show people but there is so many connections and so much happening it is next to impossible unless we stick to a very specific subject.
@robinbiddlecombe9202
@robinbiddlecombe9202 Жыл бұрын
Another cracking story. Your explanation of how The Thunder God's name changed, had me wondering if there were perhaps other names for Gods in Western Europe that influenced the changes.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words, and for watching.
@christophercrystal3137
@christophercrystal3137 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a Phoenix/Dragon myth? Also, curious about why we don’t have a Persephone myth in the Nordics. Thanks
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes to all of those, and one of those is already in production, so watch this space.
@eucherenkov
@eucherenkov Жыл бұрын
Hey Jon. Thank you for the great content. What camera do you use? Cheers
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I usually use a Canon 250D with a 17-55mm f2.8 lens, but I have a Canon 90D I will probably start using very soon as it shoots in 4k.
@eucherenkov
@eucherenkov Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford Thank you :) Keep up the fantastic work, looking forward to more videos. Thank you for putting the fruits of your academic work and education out there for others to benefit from and enjoy.
@leekestner1554
@leekestner1554 Жыл бұрын
Indra was the son of Dyaus, as the name shifted westward Dyaus was called Dyaus Pitar. Father Dayus. Dyaus Pitar> Zeus Pitar > Jupitar
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
The name travelled from the Proto Indo-Europeans, eastwards, through Persia, and into India. And also westwards, and into Europe.
@heraclito3114
@heraclito3114 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about princesses/women that fall in love with a foreign hero and betray their fathers? Like Medea and Ariadne. It's a popular theme.
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I've touched on this, but not specifically. I will add this to my To Do list.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Жыл бұрын
What kind of knowledge the Ancient Ones were trying to pass in this metaphor?
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Let me know what you think.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford My guess? The dragon could be a solar crown mass ejection, and the storm/thunder gods being the ionosphere "battling" for life on Earth.
@LadyAbstract
@LadyAbstract Жыл бұрын
Theres also evidence that yhwh was also considered a dragon deity at one point. Theres books in the old testament that talks about him flying in the air, nostrils large breathing out strong steamy air and his breath like fire. I also seen a KZfaq video talking about that as well
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Yes, this would make sense although I have not read this. The Storm God was originally a dragon.
@jameskerr8232
@jameskerr8232 Жыл бұрын
Marduk is often thought to be WHYH and Marduk IS sometimes depicted as a dragon.
@mobbs6426
@mobbs6426 Жыл бұрын
I know it didn't work out this way, but if you reverse engineer Fjorgyn through Germanic shift, you effectively get Porkin, which is what he was probably well known for
@watermelonlalala
@watermelonlalala Жыл бұрын
In England, "Parkin" a kind of gingerbread that was baked in the coals of the seasonal bonfire, the meaning of the name forgotten. (just kidding)
@javiklaine
@javiklaine Жыл бұрын
a similar story is repeated with the serpent in Slavic mythology. There are two versions of the myth. In the first version, Perun (the god of the principality and squad, thunder) defeats Veles, who is the god of Rus' (the people), cattle, poetry and wealth. In another version, Perun overcomes a snake that looks like a dragon. Moreover, Veles historically has its own symbol of chthonic animals, such as a bear, a snake, a dragon. Here there is a similar motif of how the god of storm and thunder overcomes a dragon that gives water, but at the same time there is also a motif of the emergence of power over the people. Perun, after the adoption of Christianity, switched to the saints. The symbol of St. George, who defeated the snake on the coat of arms of Moscow, is the same Perun. Saint George, as well as Elijah the Prophet, are identified with Perun of pagan Rus'. In the Slavic folk tradition, Elijah the Prophet is the lord of thunder, heavenly fire, rain, the patron of harvest and fertility. Elijah - "terrible saint." According to Slavic folk legends, based on the book (biblical, Bogomil) tradition, Ilya was taken alive to heaven. Until the age of 33, Ilya sat in bed and was healed and endowed with great power by God and St. Nicholas who walked the earth (cf. hero), after which he was ascended to heaven (eagles), cf. epic story about Ilya Muromets. The saint rides across the sky in a fiery (stone) chariot. According to Slavic beliefs, the sun is a wheel from the chariot of Elijah the Prophet, harnessed by fiery (white, winged) horses (v.-glory), or on a white horse (Bolg.), which is why thunder occurs. The Milky Way is the road that the prophet travels. In winter, Ilya rides a sleigh, so there is no thunderstorm and thunder (eagles.). The power of Elijah the Thunderer is so great that it has to be restrained: God laid a stone of 40 tithes (eagles) on Elijah's head, forged one arm and a leg (Carpathian); Ilya's sister Fiery Mary hides from him the day of his holiday, otherwise he will beat the whole world with lightning for joy (Serb.); Saint Elijah has only his left hand; if he had both hands, he would have killed all the devils on earth (Banat gers). Before the end of the world, Ilya will descend to earth and go around the world three times, warning of the Last Judgment (orlov.); will come to earth to die or accept martyrdom by cutting off the head on the skin of a huge ox that grazes on seven mountains and drinks seven rivers of water; the blood of the prophet spilled at the same time will burn the earth (Carpathians). According to a legend from Galicia, the end of the world will come when Ilya "is so full of thunder that the earth is rosipitsi and burned"; cf. Russian spiritual verse "On the Last Judgment", in the variants of which the saint acts as an executor of the will of the Lord, punishing the sinful human race
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to share that, it was very interesting.
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield Жыл бұрын
Thanks for highlighting the connections between dragons and storm gods. Regarding thunder and Thor, wasn't the connection that the noise of thunder was caused by his chariot as he rode it across the sky?
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
The noise of his chariot was the sound of goats, and this is actually the noise made by a Scandinavian bird as it flies, it tail vibrates in the wind making an almost bleeting sound.
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield Жыл бұрын
@@Crecganford That's what I get for relying on memory! 😁 Is there really no connection between the SOUND of thunder and Thor? I'm sure I remember hearing something about that, even if Thor doesn't directly control thunder directly
@jobonney7987
@jobonney7987 Жыл бұрын
OMG I've actually got a hot coffee & a spliff ready 🤣😂 Chilling in London xxx
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
You probably won't jump then about a minute and a half in....
@LauraNunez
@LauraNunez Жыл бұрын
Your videos are amazing! Could you do one on GOBLINS? fascinating topic. Have a good day!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
I am planning a video on such creatures of folklore, and so yes!
@LauraNunez
@LauraNunez Жыл бұрын
​ @Crecganford Wohoo! 🐲🐉🧚‍♀🧚 I don't understand why there's no goblin emoticon yet, there's even a fairy with a swimming cap! 🧚‍♂hehe
@NervozniZivota
@NervozniZivota Жыл бұрын
Hardly a definition, but... an analogy: Heaven~cortex, Earth~body, Thunder~nerve impulses from the brain, etc... Cheers!
@Crecganford
@Crecganford Жыл бұрын
That's interesting, thank you for sharing.
@alohaandchillohana
@alohaandchillohana Жыл бұрын
Amazing video thank u! Well in my culture the Dragons are constantly warring with the Akua Gods (they are like the Annunaki) and all species in our past seemed to be giant…kamehameha was at least 9 feet tall.
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