@@G2S_Tv lyrica is really good for withdrawals.

The best way to get rid of withdrawals is through lyrica or get yourself marijuana and decarb it in the oven 240 degrees for 40 minutes. Take this marijuana as needed. You can eat it directly out of the oven now and you can store it in a plastic container but it must be taken with some sort of fat like peanut butter or fish oil tabs. Just eat some marijuana when your feeling crappy or take a few lyrica and slowly each week cut a little more off your strip until you are down to nothing and keep yourself medicated and you should be pretty much withdrawal free except some tiredness from the medication and marijuana but it's better than sweating and feeling ill. I've beat suboxone using this method. Good luck.

@@ljg9981 tell me more

I am on 1mg maximum and only getting through 18 hours before I loose all energy etc / I have been on this low dose of 1mg for a month and the low dose is fighting against my ability to cope normally, I can’t try again to come off it for another 3 weeks

Is there any one I can talk to ,so I can figure out what I can do to help me get out of this mess im.in it's very complicated and I just dont k know what to do

Can you give a quick synopsis of your taper. Start, taper amount, finish dose length? Thanks

@@AK-ky3ou *Fast at first (20%) cut and then feeling your way down and ONLY tapering 10% once stabilized from the last cut. Some times that can take a month. Other times you can't feel a cut and some times while on a hold you take a dose and feel "Too Good"! That demands another small cut!! #1 Rule: Speed Tapering Is A Giant Waste Of Time!*

@@johnslugger thank you

This is so true.

​@@johnslugger very well put I'm on 10mg in the UK 🇬🇧

Great job! I have been on it for 14 years but for chronic pain. Pain is much more manageable now. Can’t wait to be off! Tapered down to .5mg as of now.

What was your taper plan

@@jessecarson3021 good steriods. Vit c, imodium.

I've been on it for b7 yrs as well. I'm coming off it right now. I had to have heart surgery Aug,1st 2023. The clinic told me to come off for at least 24 hours, but I was scared and did 3. Day 3 was uncomfortable, but I expected it. I took myself from 12 to 8 and have been the way for 2 months. Here in a week I'm going to cut another 4 mg. I think for me, because I expect to be uncomfortable , that makes the whole thing easier.

Bro take shrooms I heard it helps with withdrawal

What side effects did you get?

Taper real slow. Sodium ascorbate

@@jimparsons4312 how often do you take the sodium ascorbate? Daily? Twice a day? What amount? Thank you

@@debwoods5834 I took 1/5 of a teaspoon about 3 times a day in a small glass of red Gatorade.... it was only during the month I went from 4 to 2 mg. That was the only tough patch. I tapered slow. / eat healthy, sleep 8 hours, leg massage with salt and oil daily, baths, walks..... I’m so glad to be whole again. If I can do it anyone can do it. My girlfriend helped me a lot as a cheerleader but the end game came down to me and me only though. You have to want it.

@@jimparsons4312 thank you brother!❤ I truly appreciate your help.

I got hooked on pills 15 years ago. Been on Suboxone for the last 10 years. I started at 4mg and went down to 1mg (a day). Then I went up to anywhere from 4-6 a day. Now I’m at 8mg. (A full strip). I buy off the street and my biggest fear is if something ever happens to my dealer. I’d be in hot water. My wife takes 8mg too. That’s $1240 every month. NOW MORE THAN EVER - I have been contemplating quitting. - but first, I have to set up a plan. I know that a long , strung out taper is better than a fast one. Because I know that God awful misery that comes from coming off of it. Reading your (and many other) comments gives me some hope. I can’t tell you of just how many times I feel like I’m a prisoner to this drug. And now it’s really starting to hit my wallet big. Hell, I’d be happy if I could get down to 2mg a day. Thank you Cat.

@@wethepeople9161 give it a shot....Day 10 on the way, except for a bit of depression and atomach issues the worst is gone in a week! God bless you!! Also, taper to 2mg is easy, you will feel it briefly

Been on suboxone since 2012 I don’t think I will ever get off 😞

@@Thomas-wi7ti day 86 here.....its easy'ish after 3 weeks. Total afterthought now. You can do it!

Been on suboxone for 6 years now at 8mg for the last 6 years. A few months ago I started cutting my subs into 2 & 4 pieces. I took 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night then I moved to 1/4th in the morning then 1/4th ar night (current dose). I am going to be cutting the 1/4th into a 1/2 so 1 8mg strip is 8 small pieces. I will take the 2mg in the morning then 2mg at night. Then move to 1mg. Then I plan to jump to none for 8 days then take some adderall for 2 weeks to bring my energy levels back to normal while I am getting my body back to normal. I will also be using lopermide if I need to, as well as clonazepam for sleep for 1 week.

Thank you for this. I have been on for almost three years and have been tapering since I began. Super high dose because i was an idiot just prior to suboxone and used poppy tea during the worst time in my life. Never was interested in drugs prior really other than weed. Had opiates less than a handful of times prior and kept them at bay because i knew they were the devil. But i was trapped in super agony around 29-30 years old and quickly developed a super high tolerance. Super dangerous. I tapered for a few years and been hovering around a half mg for months. I only have a full 8mg strip left and i am terrified of all the horror stories as i had gone through absolutely for real near death when i withdrew last time from the tea. Genuinely. I ended up having a heart attack a couple weeks afterwards because it nearly killed me. Basically been in slight withdrawal for years due to the tapering. It’s fucking miserable. I only traded agony for agony. I hope to god I’ve cut my intake to the level it won’t be so bad. I have absolutely no choice and I don’t want a choice. I feel like im dying the worst death possible anyway. May as well take it hard one last rodeo for a shot at a life that includes any joy whatsoever. I need to be capable of this. I need to succeed at something. Specifically this. If you genuinely experienced that it wasn’t anywhere near as hard as they make it out to be, id love to hear more. Or as long as it isn’t as goddamn insanely torturous as writhing in severe and horrifically traumatically terrifying agony for days on end knowing you are going to die. If it isn’t half that bad and it’s basically extreme discomfort rather than extreme agony, please fill me in. Good job and thank you. It takes serious dedication and everything good to get through this.

Don't ever doubt that you're a success story.

You stay as happy as you can my friend 👍🇬🇧❤🇺🇸😎

how are you now? 1year later?

Jesus, Trish, I think they did you dirty. I can’t understand how buprenorphine is prescribed for analgesia. The whole selling point of the drug was that it was less than half as excitatory to your opioid receptors as full strength opioids. Therefore it doesn’t cause euphoria (though anyone who has used or abused it would know that’s not true. When I first started it I got *high*, and I was nowhere near opiate naive. I was a nearly ten year, off and on (mostly on, I only fully detoxed once or twice in that decade) heroin user in Washington state from 2006 to 2016. I am grateful for subbies for the most part, I went from a homeless, heroin addicted reprobate to a home-full, buprenorphine addicted reprobate 😂 (I don’t commit crimes anymore, over ten years since I last did anything “morally turpitudinus [I know, that’s not a word] besides driving infractions) Anyway, sorry for the rant and it’s doubtful that you will ever see this but I just felt awful about that, it’s not a drug to be prescribed willy-nilly

@@bradleythebuilder8743 Somebody's making money, same story as always. What I find horrific is this, what if they start treating "kratom use disorder" with buprenorphine or methadone I just wish everybody be honest and informed that is all. like I don't even give a damn about your opinion or ideology, I don't care if you're a hippie who stupidly thinks all that grows in dirt is glory, or think that if a doctor prescribes it must be trustworthy, believe in scientism and the idea something must be refined and purified med this, clean time this, drug that, muh herb this, mah sacrament I don't give a fucking god damn drugs is drugs. Period. And each and every last one has some kind of therapeutic index and some likely LD50 with a dose curve, there are use cases for all these and we should have some knowledgeable apothecary that stands before the throne of God alone in weighing those scales milligram by the milligram. And it pains me to see people just get hooked on the stuff it's to the point where I am stuck having to be overly cautious and dissuading people from treatments just because I'm so well versed on how much sheer BULL shit there is on the medical field right now on the West. Like I was watching TV for the first time in years it's astounding, fucking dozen adds for different alcohol companies and a nother dozen adds for various drugs within a couple hours of Naked and Afraid. Fucking hell mate. Oh and by the way, I found it incredibly interesting they have a new bipolar drug that incorporates an opiodergic of all things. i wonder who is involved in this industry now, I have a relative that started this shit that has bupropion and DXM in it. I am like really? So I am guess they just figured out something I could've told you 20 years ago: hint the opioidergic system is a mood regulatory subsystem like serotonin, quite possibly of even greater importance in mood regulation and happiness. Anyway that sucks and I'm sorry to hear that. The full Oxycontin story is why people rightfully mistrust the whole practice of "medicine" I to this day tell people to remember, Blue Vervain, Marijuana and CBD or other cannabinoids, Amanita Muscaria, Ritalin, buprenorphine doesn't matter it's all drugs. It all should be treated with caution and respect ultimately and should NOT ever be seen as a permanent status. This is true of everything, I ended up pissing blood probably because I was overusing ibuprofen for over a year for my back. I forgot about that on Kratom. But then I got addicted to Kratom eventually. They throw shit like Neurontin and Valium at you that's cool and all, just make sure your Pt knows it is not sustainable and there's not going to always be a reload, deal with the 30 days. I think putting people on bupe knowing it's going to be permanent and not communicating that is fucking cruel and it does happen sometimes.

Smart move

@@Kthb80 thank you. I'm still doing great! It feels so good!

How do I stop restless arms and legs that's my only problem 😵‍💫

@@letsmakeadifferences7444 do the subs not stop restless legs that’s my worst withdrawal symptom I’m trying to just take them for 8 to 10 days and stop

@@letsmakeadifferences7444 being a male I don't get the leg thing but spoke to plenty of women who do get it swing my Mrs go through it I totally understand how annoying it is.i maybe wrong just wondering is there any males that get it. I semi to get anxiety more so not being able to lye still I feel something building up in side I have to move it's horrible people will never understand withdrawal unless being there seem to say just stop the s*#t stop it.😲😩😠.good luck to all successful small steps but think how each day your closer to a normal life again.

Sorry to hear that man.

I have been on it 3 months, 3 weeks, I’m 60 hours in without it and still okay. I had to stop my 1mg abruptly due to the mouth ulcers it gave me! I think all the enamel on my teeth is gone - and I still rinsed my mouth out after the pill dissolved. I’m dealing with so much mouth pain. This stuff is poison, I came to this after weaning to 10mg methadone and I kinda regret it. I hope the Subutex w/d’s aren’t insane @ 3 months 3 weeks…

Heheh yeah I understand, Im only 37y but when I wake up the morning I feel like Im 80y... We pay of our life for bad decisions we've made as teenagers, not cool.

I understand completely, Please , hold on , keep looking up information about everything you are going through, than look for a Good Dr. One who you can have a good relationship with... Your not alone in your suffering,,, Amen*

I hope you are still alive Mike! Don’t give up!

Take a look at Nicole's channel: kzfaq.info

I know exactly how you feel with the 2mg wall ,I'm the same, anything below 2mg is hard work ,I'm 53 now and I'm just happy I'm stable on Bupenorphine and not in agony, I'll try staying on it until I leave this rock 🙏👍🇬🇧❤🇺🇸

I couldn’t agree more, so many people saying you can’t do it and setting up for failure, I’m down to 0.63mg now and have felt minimal withdrawals, been on opiates 15 years, subs for 12 years, 16mg a day, I’ll be getting off totally in a couple weeks, sleep is a drama but everything else has been easy, I use chlonodine when needed, it can be done pretty painlessly if done slow

It was torture for me

Sleep definitely is one of the hardest parts of it on Subs.. until you need to do things and then suddenly it kicks in. shit sucks.. I'm really glad you are on the better end of it all, I'm on my taper down also, but hadn't been on Subs ever until just under half a year or so. I believe I can do it.. just needed to hear some good advice... making music has helped me personally stay away from going out and being an idiot like in my past. I should keep focus on what helps my mental pains, the physical comes after.

Thats where I wish I had the option... weed would have changed everything for me if I wasn't on Parole. There should be NO reason anyone of age should be restricted from something as beneficial as cannabis... and yet Suboxone, Methadone, Adderall, Xanax and such are just handed out like candy leading to worse states of mind than before.

Yeah, my first time going through WD was in jail . It definitely sucked. About to find out how it feels trying to work and provide

24mg 12 yrs cold turkey and wd less than opiates ? BS

Good stuff! How you doing now?

​@@sleeptank444not looking good he never responded

I've only ever been on 8mg a day and it still is extremely potent as far as dependency towards it.. I can't even imagine more. They give just enough that you have to go back to them, and just enough where it takes over the receptors in our brain that releases dopamine and melatonin, seeming so naturally good for you. Not realizing all those release of chemical imbalance leaves an empty void that's now blocked.. that's why we don't crave our original substances.. its an opioid blocker, but also a dopamine blocker. Mood swings, consistent pain, the lack of motor skills and memory loss.. if you had never tried Subs before, DON'T!! If you are reading this, just keep yourself distracted in healthy ways! Your cravings will GO AWAY if you can replace your mind with a better crave..

Have you ever tried Kratom? Look into it.

It truly is agony

…….. oh god ….. 😩

@@ottis4518 Day 10

Don’t try Kratom. That’s called substitution.

hey my friend how has it been going

I was on 24mg as well 2 years ago I'm at 4 mg now. I'm with you I wanna get off of it sooooo bad

I did same from 24 to 8 mg in a two year span. This year going to six mg and hoping to be on 4 mg for end of the year of 2023 and then into the 2024 2 mg to zero. When your at such a low dose it’s not that bad coming down if you do it over a long periods. It’s sucks I know but to get off right this is the way. Slow and steady. Your so low mg that’s very easy it’s more psychological than physical. At this point you may feel a little discomfort, but not as much as when you were on 24 mg .the point of all this is to get off the Suboxone at the right time and not go back to opiates use.

Did you end up fully getting off. I've been doing subs for 6-7 years but I've only been doing about 2-4mg a day the entire time. But it's got to stop,I'm just worried about the WD from stopping. How did it go for you

@@SlimeTlme hey. So this is current. I have 8mg subs that I’m basically tapering to 6 mg currently. So take off a portion of the pill, it is not great but not so bad. Then I want to be on a 6mg pill or sublingual the first month of 2023 and then hope to come down to 4 mg by spring, then 2 mg for prob for a bit then slowly from there. Every time you taper you do it slow, weeks like a month, then drop it to next dose, you will not suffer that you can’t work but it’s not great like I said it’s uncomfortable, but this is the price we have to pay to get off. These doctors are killing it with writing us these scripts and panic pills and leg pills for rest leg leg. So tired of this. So I went for 24mg to almost 6mgs. Next week is my appointment. This has been two years and a few moths know. I understand that I took pills for years but I’m so over this shit and pills I would never touch again. I’ve had two surgeries since, a few accidents, but I never took pain pills and I had knee replacement surgery. I cod of have it but I choose not to. I suffered a bit and went to PT. So tired I’ve being stuck on this medication it was the biggest mistake, I just didn’t see it then. Know we just have to get off, and if your serious about like I am. I’ve been tested plenty but I refuse. It’s a done deal and I can’t wait to be free of these meds. Tapper slow but tapper, stay strong, a lot is in your mind especially when your on a low dose. The doctor will tell you to be on forever. It’s up to you. If you really serious and wanna talk. It’s great to talk about it with like minded people. Just let me know I’ll reply with my email. I could use Somone to. It feels good to help each other get threw this with like minded people not people who want to go backwards in life. I’m over it. I’ve grown, years have passed. You can do it. The low dose is more mental then anything but you will feel like shit for 10-20 days max. After 3-5 days your body will adjust then a few weeks to get it working properly. If your on 2mgs just split into two one in morning the other half around noon then the noon one cut in half and slowly remove that so your down to one mg. Then do same. You can do it m. I wish I was at your mg. I would be on my way to be off for the new year. Start it right.

You still have this feeling ? I also had this feeling for a long time on suboxone especially the feeling of doom and like being scared of something but you don't know what and like something bad is going to happen.

I am currently feeling the same feelings.. I feel better knowing the withdrawal symptoms of subs as it hit me psychologically different then a perc withdrawal. I've never cried so much in my life then when going through withdrawals.. but I believe we are strong enough..

My wife is on a low dose of sub and has been for about 3 years. I would describe her side effects as very similar to what you are experiencing. Catastrophic thinking, a general sense of fear/uncertainty and extreme sadness. She has been prescribed several other medications to counter these side effects. So now aside from being dependent on Suboxone, she needs to take 4 or5 different medications to get through the day. This all stemmed from a brief dependency on Percocet coupled with a generalized anxiety disorder. The combination of medications that she is prescribed has in no way allowed her to regain a functional existence. Having a doctor who really cares and knows his/her stuff is extraordinarily important bc the ones that she's been to have done very little to help. I wish you both all the best ❤

​@@shaolin2129 :( yes , 17 years on suboxone for 4 years of percacet oxycuntin in the beginning 😢, good luck

I feel aĺot paranoid and it made me use even more subs I was on 1mg a day now in on 4mg

I'm down to .125 mgs. I'm starting every other day now. Did you experience withdrawals from that low a dose?

@@Kapulaites yes, First day was a little tough. Plan and stock up for the first few days

Proud of you my friend

This is inspiring. How much were you on the day you decided to taper? I’m thinking if I’m on 8 or 9 mg a day, I should taper off 1mg every 2-4 weeks? So say I start at 8mg a day, then in a couple weeks 7mg. It’s toufh having been on it all these years

@@permabulk1454 I’ve been off it two months. I went from 8 to 6 4 in the am 2 in the evening but whatever works best for you.

It's called Vivitrol, I wouldn't suggest this option.. I.V. usage is not only physically harmful, but it will make you just want to use even more.. I have had several cellmates in prison use this option and they would want more and more because it LITERALLY is just shooting up. That's not the way I assure you..

It’s not “literally shooting up” as Sublocade is given intramuscularly. Also, I t’s not anything like iv drug use, and I would know, I have experience with almost all types of opioids, and iv drugs as well as buprenorphine in several different forms

🙏

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Kratom you get it the smoke shops an cigarette stores. Red Bali is the type needed, vitamins and magnesium, pedilyte . Eat plenty of greens. Been there done that. After that learn nutrition for good health and stay away from doctors they will kill you making sure that your healthy 💯 . Good luck 👍

How are you doing today, still clean if so, any symptoms?

I'm in the same spot as you, 2mg a day, but my doctor said I can just stop whenever I want which I know would result in a very difficult experience. I've done alot of research and I'm going to tackle this the same way I got off methadone so I figured I'd share my plan and maybe you could take something from it. Because of the half life of subs some people say that this method works. So if you take 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night do that for 2 or 3 days and then on the 4th day take 1mg in the morning but at night take .5mg. Then go back to 2mg a day for 2 or 3 days and repeat. Eventually you should just be able to switch to 1mg/.5mg a day without issue. Then the next step would be to get that 1mg dose down to .5 and so on. Of course there are other methods like skipping days but that has always resulted in me being miserable every other day. Also I've heard of success with sublocade but after making it this far I'd rather just continue doing what I'm doing. Hopefully you found some of this informative or encouraging. Good luck. You can do this!

@@pigcandisco thanks bro. How’d it go?

2mg is still a high dose. I have been tapering off of 2mg to 200mcg last month for 8 months. I jumped off and I am on day 4 of no BUPRENORPHINE. I have used small amounts of percusset to help me get off this nightmare BUP! I know that is not recommended but i can no longer go at a snail’s pace to get my life back. I just had a dream for the first time in 5 years since being on BUP. I was never told that BUP was a maintenance drug for getting off pain killers by my pain mgmt doctors. Over time, BUP steals all your motivation and life in my experience…

@@liveloveanddream777 I'm down to a little less than 1mg a day and if I knew the last year of getting off this stuff was going to be like this I would've never got on it in the first place. Tapering off methadone was extremely easy for me so I just assumed suboxone would be the same. Every day has been a slog since I went below 2mg. Everytime I decrease my dose, no matter how little, its literally 4-5 days of not having the motivation or energy to do anything. Even balancing out I still feel like I'm forcing myself to do everything. It's been such an annoying and dragged out process that I'm honestly about to just get down to 0.5mg and then jump because I feel like I'm just wasting my life when I could just suffer for a couple weeks and get my life back. Oh well, we all did this to ourselves and now have to pay the piper.

@@mikeg1433 not off yet, probably on .07-.09mg a day. Ever since I went below 2mg it's been pretty difficult. Think I'm gonna get down to a half MG and then jump off. Every day is a drag and I have zero motivation to do anything. I still exercise and stay active but it takes so much to get things done. Hopefully the jump won't be as bad as I think it is.

This scares me. I have to work... 12 mgs a day. Trying to stop taking.

@@samgreen8582 I really didn't feel it till I got between 4 and 2 mgs. Baby steps. I'm around 9 weeks off now. You really have to want it.

@@melanie4926 I take about 2-4 mg a day. I have 27 left and 3 months to stop. Do U think it’s possible? Can u please tell me how u taped?

@@anak6940 slow and easy till 2mgs. Yes you got this if you want it. Sleeplessness and restless leg was the worst of all. I didn't taper further as it felt it pointless. Wish I'd had Klonopin the first month but I made it. In some kinda way I felt empowered each passing clean day. I'm nearing 3 months off subs and pray you do the same. Peace and love ❤️

@@anak6940 I was on 8mg for 16 years and am down to .5mg. Going from 2mg to .5 mg has cost me some sleep and some mild discomfort(fatigue). But nothing like acute withdrawal. I spent a couple weeks at 4mg. A couple weeks at 2 mg and so on.

Thankyou!

Be careful though, ive been on Suboxone for 3 1/2 years i was on 2 tablets a day and i recently started having some really nasty side effects from high dose daily use, i recently cut my dose to taking 1 tablet a day in 2 1/2s, the side effects have gone away for the most part and ive started running, excersizing and eating better, i had this mild kind of anxious feeling, not really withdrawl but like my brain was adjusting to the new smaller dose, remember with Suboxone less is more, you dont need to be on 2 or 3 a day thats too much, maybe to start but not long term, and after 3 1/2 years im ready to get off this stuff and end this "opiate" chapter in my life. Also Kratom helps *cough cough* i know its kind of taboo but kratom does ease opiate withdrawl

7 years I've been on it, the film strip. Yes I've tried cold turkey more than I can count, yes I've tried tapering but still haven't given up on that method since I lost patience or I would forget my last dose depending on how I'm feeling throughout the day. The real hell about this drug is the thought of not having it. Knowing the lingering pain that awaits you bringing you back to an agonizing oblivion. It shouldn't just be called withdrawals, there should be a broader term in describing how fucked you are if you plan on getting off this drug. The farthest I got without taking the strip since I ran out and I was out of state nowhere near my doctor, 6 days... 6 days of pure agony.. no puke or vomiting but constant agitation, restlessness. To put to you this way I was praying I could leave my body so it could heal on its own without my conscious mind being obliterated to smitherians.

I’m curious how did you do the switch from methadone to subs? Did you microdose? How was the switch for you

@@mattb9054 that’s what I’m going thru! It’s not a bad anxiety but it’s slight uneasy feeling. Also I tapered down way down on my sub use. Glad you mentioned this makes me feel better. Also I’ve been slamming water and walking. Been on subs for 6 years. Hope your doing good and staying strong. I’m wanting to quit as well.

Please explain, thanks

@@Wretched2JZ clean is not having drugs in you. Not being high. Having a sober mentality means your lifestyle has changed and is no longer that of someone who’s in active addiction. I use the terms “dry” and “clean” in this sense. Like every addict is dry at some point, probably more often than they’d like but clean is something different. It’s a lifestyle change. You have to change your entire way of living and thinking. It sounds intimidating, but once you start doing it it’s so worth it.

He said some ppl might need to be on it forever. I don’t believe that. I told my doctor I wanted to get off of it and he said I should stay on it lol so idk are they making money off of me being on it? Who knows.

@@virgie4715 OH bull$hit! Maintenance meds are different. They do not get you high like illegal drugs and we all know it! These meds keep people alive. The stigma has to stop

@@firstnamelastname6193 like illegal drugs, sure. but it does get you high.

Me too I have seen very little knowledge actually almost zero given to me ....I've been told to just take it the rest of my life ...haha. Even though it's ruining my sleep and my teeth and my personality I cannot feel emotions like I can't cry anymore and I don't feel anything ....I wasn't that way when I was high and I wasn't that way before I every started using opiates at age 40 and I'm 53 now....I think it's all up to the patients where I'm going.....they can't force a person to get off it so it has to be self motivated....that's the tricky thing.

Thank you and sorry to hear that.

And most likely we stole to get the money so is that what they want! You are correct it is a totally different lifestyle and to change that is how we recover , we don’t steel or lie to get money so that argument is bullshit! Those drs don’t know shit so run as fast as you can if you hear that !

Nearly the entire medical community , just like the government, is corrupt and greedy af. It’s sickening what’s become of “medicine”.

@@necromancer6897 well I would never go to one of that stature.

@@jerrysanders9101 I understand your frustrations but there are other Dr. B’s out there. You just have to make it your literal job to find one.

@Austin Thomas Same here. But i wake up everyday and start crying. Im going cold turkey atm, and been only 3 days without. Its just so terrible, i don't know either what im gonna do.. But as i've come "this" far, im going to quit this sh*t.. The paranoia and anxiety is just too overwhelming :(

@Austin Thomas 3 years and dosage ranging from 4mg-8mg. I also used it intravenous daily..

I know you're pain brother its no joke!!!! I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!!!! Hang in there!!!! I've been on sub's for 4 yrs and I'm sick of it!!! Be strong and good things will happen!!! I slowly tappered down to little doses I'm trying but its not easy!!!

​@Austin Thomas It got so bad, i let myself 1 day break and took 1mg bupe, i literally felt im going to die. Had terrible panic attacks, cold/warm shiverings and all was totally blatant... Now i got myself some Xanax, to help the process. 1mg in morning and 1mg at night, if necessary. I prefer Diazepam tho, because its more long lasting and not so strong. But i have to wait my dr. to renew the prescription. I actually eat benzos everyday, because i have anxiety disorders.. But i wont let this one day knock me down. Today i will take this "break" and just relax. I'll try to meditate and enjoy life this one day.. And continue the process tomorrow, without bupe. Its so sad, i "enjoy my life", just because now i dont have withdrawals.. Wish you all the best bro, God bless you! And thank you for supporting me, i think its very important to help people through comments. You can actually save lives by doing it. Giving people hope. God bless you all.

@Austin Thomas i get it brother im 29 tapering off... fucing sucks

What vitamins do you take?

@@roxxannevigil9928 Sodium ascorbate (saved me!) Edible cannabis Ginger Magnesium Dry brushing my body Baths Massage Reiki Long walks in nature I’m 50 days 100 percent clean from opiates and feel like a million. Tapering from 10 mg thc daily to 0 I’m going straight edge

What long term effects did you feel. I can’t imagine getting off of it. I’ve been on since 2021 too. I’m wondering if these feelings in chest come from long term use.

@@shytguy I’ve been off since august 2021. I’m alive again. I feel like I’m coming out of the fog. Suboxone kept me subdued and isolated. My life is in full color and day by day I’m getting stronger, clearer and happier. there is no doubt I have brain fog and some brain damage from the over 20 years of opiates/ Suboxone but I am me again for the most part. I do 10 mg edible thc a day, listen to music, eat healthy and exercise and thank God with all my heart for this second chance. ❤️🙏

@@jimparsons4312 I meant I’ve been on it since 2011 too. That’s good. How long did it take for you to feel normal again? I haven’t done anything except suboxone in the past 10 years and I feel normal I guess with minor feelings of anxiety. My liver is 17 cm, so I know it’s enlarged and it’s from suboxone. It helped me save money, it helped me start a family and get married and have a steady job. But I’m about to have my first daughter and I’m just scared to go through withdrawal in front of my wife. But I do want to be normal. I want to be able to feel like I did when I was 18. I’m just scared

🙏. Please be safe.

Did you end up getting off of it?

Exactly ! What I’m doing now down to like I don’t know the tiny sliver getting nervous because I only have like 10 strips left. Did you jump off at a certain milligram?

@@Kerri303 Yeah, I had to use 8mg strips to taper off. It would've been nice to use 2mg strips, so it's easier to tear pieces lower than 0.5mg. I jumped off at 0.5mg. But once I got down that low, I was already experiencing some withdrawal, so it almost seems pointless to go down further. I experienced the same withdrawal from being at 0.5 as I did after jumping off. The withdrawal was very minimal, mostly just cold all the time, and lack of energy and motivation. Nothing terrible. I think I avoided most withdrawal because I tapered to as low as I could before jumping off, and I also started skipping days here and there. I think my last 4 days went 0.5, 0, 0, 0.5, off.

@@LionhartM That’s amazing! I have to be honest you don’t hear too many success stories now everyone is jumping on sublocade. My doctor was a joke was just in it for the $ never wanted to taper me so I’m doing it myself I’m terrified but determined. Definitely under 1mg hard for me to tell at this point like you said w the 8mg strips but they are the tiniest slivers. Thanks for the advice much appreciated!

I’m sorry one more question if you don’t mind? Did you take off of work? You said the last taper was almost like a four day type thing I’m wondering if I should try and take some time off of work I do have a nice Saturday to Tuesday time off of work every week which is great but I also have two kids, family, husband and all that but I’m wondering how bad it was for you at the end those four days like should I just go check myself into a hotel for four days I have a very supportive husband it’s hard to lock yourself in a room when you have two little ones were you able to get through work and go through this? Sorry it’s just when you come across someone who actually did it. It’s pretty awesome and I’m almost there.

@@Kerri303 I did not take off work, no, but I was tempted to do so a few of the days. You just won't have much energy or motivation. Be prepared to not be as good of a worker for a few days. It definitely could help to take a few days off. With my very slight withdrawal - mostly psychological - I was able to muster on and didn't need to miss work. I would taper as far as you can to get your body used to not have the Suboxone. if you can be at like 0.25 for a few weeks before getting off, I think you'd be in great shape, and less likely to experience as long of a post-acute withdrawal. Not everyone gets PAWS, but I pretty much always have it for at least a couple of months - mainly low energy. Nothing I can't manage. I would highly recommend a few videos by Ryan Donnelly. He has some great motivating videos that really helped me stick it out during the first few weeks. He says to remind yourself that you WILL feel better over time if you stick it out, and remind yourself of all the reasons you want to stop. Good luck!

What? That doesn't even make sense? You are STILL on subs! A taper is like 4-6 months down to half a mg a dayq and then jumping off and being sick for a few days and then done with it.

@@alexfriedman2152 I'm getting there, eventually. 👍

If we Get the United States government to look at Suboxone treatment the same way , I’ll stop worrying about my future taper.

Spoken by someone who doesn't have to stop their life every two weeks or everyday (treatment in person).

I'm having a really hard time coping with the guilt of feeling like I'm still using and the fear of having to come off it at some point and your comment literally brought me to tears. Thank you so much

It's not life threatening though. People have to understand that they will have to go through suffering to be free. Once they realise there is no easy way out, it really is a case of giving oneself a boot up the butt, bite the bullet and go for the hell ride. Subutex is difficult to come off, however, it can be done. I think people do not understand the power of this drug. If you are not used to it and take 1mg you will be gouchin and heavily out of it. There is no need for people to be maintained on any more than 8mg. As I say if you can get down to 0.4mg then off you can minimise the withdrawal by taking 10 times the daily recommended dose of Absorbic Acid and 6 times the daily recommended dose of Magnesium 👍

@@kshay1394people with other conditions have to “stop their life” every two weeks for doctor visits too. If you don’t want to be on it long term that’s for the best but that’s ultimately your decision

I am in hellish withdrawal right now. Took 80mg methadone for 13y and then change for 14mg subox for the last 3 years. I stopped subox 2 weeks ago. Everywhere on internet its said Im supposed to be "better" after 5 days maybe a week. Its been 2 week Im still stuck at the worst part, I feel like it will last forever. Im weak and soooo dehydrated... I really begin to wonder if its possible to die of suboxone withdraw(ok maybe im over-reacting just a bit heheh) Please I need encouragement so much. Tell me, after how many time were you better, to be able to do your basic thing (like take a shower, go shopping, cleaning, cooking, etc) Thanks, sorry for bad english

@@j.n.4806 I’m sorry to hear that you are struggling. I can’t give medical advice but I can tell you that I went back on it and tapered off.

@@glengamble526 To be honest, few hours after having written that I decided to give up and I bought few mg from a friend (until Dr. will be back tuesday). Maybe next time will be the good one... A nice easter day to you xx ;)

@@j.n.4806 how much mg were you on before you went cold turkey

@@j.n.4806 I was on 2 mg a day for 3 months. Quit cold turkey last Jan and had absolute hell everyday for 4 months! 4 months of depression, muscle tightness so bad I couldn’t brush my teeth nor dress myself or bathe. Saw multiple doctors all wanted me to get back on Suboxone . So I did at 2mg which allowed me to at least feed myself and shower. Continued to see multiple doctors as the Suboxone only now relieved some of the pain, but the immobility still remained. Finally, the last neurologist I saw did a DAT scan and confirmed I have Parkinson’s disease. So now I’m on medication for the disease and Suboxone. I just started the taper process and I’m so scared to go through the detox again because I felt like I was dying. Hopefully this time is different.

Take triple magnesium and super b vitamins. Take dhea and fish oils. See if doctor can give you gabapentin for night time. It helps a shit ton with restless leg and sleep.

This is my exact situation. The mental uplift without the high.. I’m Also afraid of what will happen in that department. How’s your journey going thus far?☺️🙏🙏🙏🙏

Not everyone is like this. They didn’t advertise the anti depressant side of it and plenty of people like me… it absolutely destroys everything good. I haven’t felt anything other than agony and mistrust and severe paranoia and severe depression while on it. In absolutely no way exaggerating it’s one of the worst things to ever happen to me. Ive also tried antidepressants and they are the same. Completely life destroying for some people. There is nothing good about this drug to some people other than saving them from overdose of fentanyl. It’s better than dying. But everyone should be warned that you should do methadone treatment instead if you don’t work with antidepressants well. And absolutely nobody should plan to be on this more than 6-10 months tops. The years I’ve wasted doing nothing but suffering i am not even sure i can handle the emotions of when i get back to normal. My best years gone.

You'll need a masters to be a certified counselor.

@@B_Bodziak Thanks so much.

I hope you still sober

Stay strong

How are you doing?

Checking in. You ok?

Hey bro u still sober

Good luck and be strong

Thank you...age isn't helping. My head is the enemy...i can place a name on the symptoms of withdrawal (like having a cold but knowing the cure).....so stressed out about it all tbh, because I don't even know if the street heroin is just that. What else could it be cut with that I'm addicted too?

Every time I tapered, it took 3 days to adjust and it wasn't bad.

It really is a good pain reliever.

get some broad spectrum CBD extract and it will make the pain relief 10x greater and work synergistically with the sub as well while making the side effects and withdrawal effects a lot easier to deal with

Be careful with high doses, i was on 2 a day for 3 1/2 years and my subs started putting me into withdrawl randomly it was because i was taking too much, i cut my dose to 1 a day split into 2 1/2s and those symptoms went away, with subs less is more

@@mattb9054 I take 4mg a day. I feel like the dose is perfect. I take a 2mg strip in the morning and then another one at night. Do you think that’s a small enough dose to be on long term?

Come off of it asap ive been on it for 3 years and only 25 I regret it. Thos medicine traps you in and can't come off of it until it's too late

@@christopherhensley5329 why do you regret it?

@@Dojocartwheel Each person is different. I find it’s all in the way you approach sobriety. I have been clean for over a year and suboxone is a huge factor in that. I started at 6mg and am down to 4, next I will step down to 2 (I plan to taper in smaller increments after 2mg). use suboxone to get the other issues in life straightened out, get yourself in a stable, healthy lifestyle and get to a point where you are happy and healthy. Once you have everything set up like that, it’ll far easier to handle the change of tapering down to nothing. Subs have done wonders for a lot of people but it’s about determination, will power and effort in my opinion.

Hi Rene✌️

Magnesium. Get the triple blend of magnesium and super b vitamins. Helps muscles and joints and the b vitamins help brain.

@@confidential1035 please get you Vitamin D checked . For some reason Low D is a Real problem in contributing to Pain and Leg cramps. I used my D Dr prescribed 2x per week 50,000 iud . I was severely low. Now on a very low very low dose per day. 1 strip divided into 32 doses and snip off 1 tiny peice per day. Sometimes I don't even notice I haven't taken it. However I tried this a year ago with near success However my Vitamin D was too low and was on on 1x 50,000 iud weekly then. It wasn't until my Dr upped my dose 7 mo ago I have been able to achieve this. I was not an addiction. I was more dependent from a Dr office of p.m. if 7 years. Been on subs almost 3 years only ever took max 1 mg 2x per day. I often felt like a failure that I couldn't reduce. But I finally am seeing a end. I hope this finds you well

@@Haystack11 the leg cramps are from the suboxone withdrawal. #1 worst symptoms in my eye…

Thanks everyone who replied. I am seeing a doctor to tapper I’m down to 2 mg but I’m worried about the finish line. Vitamins may help but it was interesting to come back to this after so much time.

@@jimbo9313 I'm on day 55 sub free after taking 8mg strips for SIXTEEN years. I had 2 mg strips and slowly cut them down to .5mgs then .25mg. I knew I could do this. So can you. It's nothing like acute withdrawal. Just some sneezing and insomnia, but nothing like being dope sick. Good luck my friend.

I’d bet you can drop from 8 to 6 with no symptoms at all, then from 6 to 4 with no symptoms. It’s very very easy at first, and very painless. I had the problems when I tapered when I got down to around 2mg, then I had to slow the taper, but I tapered very slowly, from 12mg to 0.75mg in about a year. I dropped dosage about every 2-4 weeks, but went very fast at the start and very slow the lower I got The beginning is just mental, but you can cut your dose in half and not feel any symptoms at all. At first I dropped as quickly as possible with as much withdrawals I could tolerate, and like I already said, the beginning was very fast, the lower dosages was much slower

Wow I can’t imagine 8. I took 4mg once and was so high and wasted. Constipated too. Get off asap. It’s not good for your mind or body.

@@otisjones5412 dude thats nothing, the high lasts about one time. After that its just burning money and avoiding withdrawl.

​@@otisjones5412 obviously u didn't need it if u got high on 4mg 😅

@@cjgames4378 😆 lol

How long have you been taking it for . I'm seeing this was a year ago. I'm currently on day 2 of not using my normal 3 to 4 a day oxy codone habit. I've use and was prescribed 8 mgs a day but from my experience 2 mg is enough I don't feel super great but I'm not sick yester day I took first dose of 4 mgs and it seemed too high as I was very nauseous and dizzy most of the evening. My withdraws cold turkey from oxycodone isn't that bad I feel like I'm torn and wanna just use this for a very short time but I'm also sick of Notting making it more than two days in last month and being constant relapse for the last two years. I'm just done but also have to function to keep food on table and roof over kids heads. Trying to with draw and keep up with the house and kids is so tough but I also hate going to detoxes and being away from them but If I relapse again I'll die or go to jail. It was getting a little crazy a couple weeks ago. Thank God for a loving wife. Who doesn't deal with my shit and doesn't allow for addiction in our home. I had to do a lot of lying but she refused to give up on me speaking to the man she married not the addict I become again...

Taper down slowly to one half milligram. Stay there as long as you can. I'm 18 months off subs and life is great.

Too complex to answer but in general your prescriber should initiate taper and good job

Try splitting the dose, half in the am and half in the evening

Oh, Suboxone withdrawal is even worse than the others. Ween down and get off. Being on bupe an extended amount of time makes you very depressed. Your appetite and ability to connect with others go out the window. Bupe works very well at first, then you flatline and take it to not be sick. Your brain if you're not eating right excersising and doing anything that will make your brain release dope on its own once you're fully off alot of people relapse and die because they feel so good they don't wanna go back. You have got to have a self tailored by you program you work every day without fail.

@@jessshaver4697 I wish it would work well even at first. Every time I hop on the bupe wagon I have to endure withdrawal as if I weren’t taking anything. It completely fails to make kicking easier, no matter the dose, I have taken up to 20mg and it will not even take away the shakes. And when the acute part is over, I will be depressed and lifeless indefinitely, crippled by cravings, which by the way keep persisting, at very high doses as well. I always end up relapsing. Completely useless drug.

@@Mauro-ot2ux From what I have seen being best friends with opiate addicts, Kratom is far more effective than quitting Oxycontin or heroine than Suboxone.

@@Mauro-ot2ux I agree and it has ruined my life. This drug will fuck with your brain in more ways than is reported or told by the doctor's. After YEARS on this it has made life unbearable. To the point either I'm done with this or I do not know what to do. Honestly. It's making life worse and worse. I've kicked cold turkey 8 mg for three years in jail and it was NOT half the withdrawal heroin was and even less than half the withdrawal of fentanyl. To many people are brainwashed into thinking it's either A impossible to get off, or B "it hurts worse than all other withdrawals!" Which is them reciting bullshit they have heard from others that have not done it either. They'll swear up and down they have. Every person I know that has gotten off has had a better life. A group I met while trying to figure out how to get off all had done it and gotten on vivitrol for different lengths of time but are all off now. Started with two friends now a group. Coming off any withdrawal sucks. But covid I had blew that out the water so it's time.

My doc said to me "Didn't you need more and more of the drug to get the same result? You totally changed your behavior and take the same dose every day." That's why AA or NA only have addicts involved, ppl have no idea what we go through or what we have gone through. I like your mindset on and that you mention inspiring others, cause you through a bit of inspiration my way, thanks! 1 month away from a year clean, now that's a legacy to continue!

Hope you are fine now...

Maybe try a more gradual taper like ½mg a month

You got an honest update?

I've been doing the same exact thing I'm down to 16th a day might cut that in ½ once more before I stop just to be sure I don't have withdrawal, or atleast minimize it the best I can.

I think its a great way to go about it . Im doing the same as well . Just remember mind over matter

N awwww op

What happened when they take 1 mg away from you in the hospital

IM so sorry😥😥

I took 8mg films for 16 years and I'm glad to see you write that. My life is SO much better it seems miraculous. I tapered off 7 months ago and now I'm free. That dope fiend is gone, and for pretty much the first time, I can live happily sober. With me.

Man

You can get down to.125 by cutting the films is the easiest

There's a video on cutting your strips also

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Love this! Of course you will succeed with that mindset! ❤️

@@jocrain83 thank you

@@ginge7945 keep kicking ass . Rooting for you

@@Amar1338 thank you, my 6th day on 10mg and all good!!!

I just love hearing your love for life now! Go Ginge Go!

I got myself off methadone long enough 15 days before I got on suboxone abd what worked for me was gabbapentin and kratom!

How you doing now? It's been a few months

@@bioshawna Thanks for asking. 0.4 mg or 400 mg as its also known. I met with a clinical pharmacist.and explained my situation, so now am on a dose lower than I’ve ever been on and this just about covers my pain management. What i did before was way to rapid and so my body reacted . Much better now…

@@drstew1 glad you're in a good place! that's great. I am interested in tapering down myself soon so this is great encouragement. I also suffer with chronic pain (scoliosis/migraines) so I know how you feel regarding the need for pain management.

@@bioshawna Migraines ? . Sumatriptan is good for that and its not a pain killer (even though it does take the pain of headache away) i get Cluster headaches, and this stuff works perfectly. You only take it if needed, as opposed to daily. I wish you all the best.

Just know this as someone who took 6mg for 7years. The faster u can start taper and get off the better. I went from 6mg to 1.5ish over 3 months! Then said fuck it and went cold turkey cause I was just so sick of being dependent on this crap. First 72 hrs were truly terrible I was very suprised how extremely bad it was. However I'm on day 5 and I cant tell you how happy I am I stuck it out. Just from day 3 to day 5 u feel a million times better ur feeling more calm and stable. Good luck whatever you choose!

I've been on them since 2012. I'm down to where one strip lasts 3 days,I've been cutting them into 3 sections and still no withdrawals,but I'm afraid to staft cutting them into smaller pieces because I'm afraid that's when the withdrawals will start and I can't afford to miss work. I'm thinking of doing it my next vacation. I quit smoking 4 years ago using Chantix,I wish there was some magic pill like that that could help kick Suboxone 😔

@@Jarhead1313 I promise you 4 MG and under ur sick for 72 hrs and then withdrawals gone. Then it's on to sleep management and lots of water to keep the flushing out going. Everyday after 72 hrs gets better by the day I'm on day 10 and today I jogged this morning and went to a stressful grad party for a nephew. It's totally do able and the withdrawals are good they make u remember to never fuxk with the junk again.

@@Amitch592 Well my vacation is coming up next month,I believe I know what the first 3 days of it are going to be like,I'm not looking forward to it lol, but I'm tired of the Dr appointments and being a slave to it. Thanks for the info bro, I really appreciate it.

@@Jarhead1313 that's exactly the attitude u need fuck those docs. Yes 72 hrs ok it's shitty not matter what but then your body starts winning and helping you once it's out your system good luck bro!!

i went down 2 mgs every month from 16 mg.

How long has it been sense you stopped taking suboxone to now? If you don’t mind me asking.

This is bull shit. Anyone on suboxone for a month has become dependent on the drug which causes the withdrawal when quitting. If he jumped at 8mg he was in hell for a month.

@@erickramirez4667 not true I took it for a month then quit taking and I only had minor withdrawals for about 3 days everybody is different

@@thegreatone9850Lies bro. True we are all different but we have the same mechanism at work here the only difference is in range of symptoms and symptom severity due to dosage. For instance, I might have diarrhea and you might never get diarrhea but instead get restless legs and if you were at 8MG and I was also at 8MG my restless legs might not be as severe as yours. However, If you jumped at 8MG without weaning (people get sick for 3 weeks - 3 months (PAWS) jumping at 2MG) there is no way In hell youl be back to normal after 3 days. In fact, Suboxone is a long acting opioid therefore withdrawal should start at the second or third day after stopping thus proving that you are just spewing a bunch of bull shit. Now if we were talking about short acting substances like oxy, vics, percs, heroin etc and you were fresh (meaning you just started) and have a month using then I would be inclined to believe you although the majority experience a 5-7 day malaise and sickness. You, however, stated a 10 year every day habit lololol even if you were to go cold turkey no way youl be "normal" in 3 days. LMAO ok Superman!

@@erickramirez4667 u need to calm down with all the BS you are taking just cause your experience was different I know what I went through I don't give a shit if you believe it after taking suboxone for a month you can stop with minor withdrawals I didn't say you will be exactly back too 100% in 3 days but after 3 days the withdrawals are minor nothing to bad...

Hang on candy girl!!

@Fast Internet awwww thanks heaps that’s an awesome comment. 🙌🏻👍

@Fast Internet thank you

28mg??? Are you sure you meant 28mg or 2.8? That would nearly kill you.

@@epicvillain8308 honey I was on 28. Highest dose back then was 32 that’s not much. We’re talking bup here. Definitely can’t kill you if you are taking it correctly but thanks for the comment

@@epicvillain8308 can I ask why you would think it would kill you? Never had anyone say that about bup lol