Dreamcast Sega Rally 2 - Letdown or a Classic?

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It was suppose to be proof that the Dreamcast was capable of Model 3 level graphics. It wasn't, but did that mean it wasn't worth playing?
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Episode Notes:
1. Dreamcast version captured on real hardware and upscaled via the Framemeister to 1280x720.
2. Arcade version captured via Supermodel emulator running at 1024x768.
3. Sega Rally 3 came home as Sega Rally Online Arcade for the PS3 and Xbox 360. It has since been delisted with no replacement.
4. Outside of the DC and PC versions, Sega Rally 2 has no other way to play it outside of the arcade.
5. I think one reason Sega Rally 2 gets so much shit is because the Saturn version of the first exceeded expectations, while the Dreamcast game came up short.
6. There is a Sega Rally 2006 that is Playstation 2 exclusive.
7. Sega Rally Revo was released on the PS3, Xbox 360, PC and PSP.
8. Despite being inferior visually to the arcade, I still play this game often. I think the gameplay still holds up really well.
9. The arcade version is so incredibly rare in the US. If you find it, sit your ass down and play it. You'll likely never see it again.

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@zuffin1864 3 жыл бұрын

the arcade version has aged absolutely superbly, like damn, that game came out in 98??? WHAT? that's insane!

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the game on a triple screen setup? Gosh DAMN it looks so frigging awesome! I love Sega Rally 2.

@DavideNastri 3 жыл бұрын

That is why Nintendo and Sega are Nintendo and Sega. Look at their games and play their games 20 years later: still pure awesomeness.

@leeboy2k1 3 жыл бұрын

@@EAprima SR2 had no triple screen support, Airline pilot did, and Ferrari 355 also using 3 Naomi boards, the only way you'd get it on 3 screens is just by duplicating the video output with a splitter, but the game itself, has no multi screen support, you can see this for yourself in it's test mode using Supermodel emulator.

@superbn0va 3 жыл бұрын

It still looks better and is way more fun than 90% of most recent racing games

@AmbientMess 3 жыл бұрын

Model 3 was NO JOKE when it came to raw horsepower and visual fidelity

@SnakeVenom3000 3 жыл бұрын

I own this on DC. Still a great looking game 20+ years later

@kennykij1 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yea

@mrmusicverse 3 жыл бұрын

I do too, both the US and JP versions.

@SupraSaiyaN64 3 жыл бұрын

That is no joke. I'm playing it at this moment with an Akura HDMI box on an LG CX OLED television and it looks incredible. It has no business looking this good at that age.

@costumeninja1914 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome just picked it up.

@costumeninja1914 2 жыл бұрын

@@SupraSaiyaN64 I’m using just S-video cables. Is the difference of the upscale r worth it.

@IamMarkSmith 3 жыл бұрын

Where’s the “Sega Ages” versions of the first two Sega Rally games? Man did they miss the mark on that.

@haaxxx9 3 жыл бұрын

Need a Sega Ages: Racing collection in general and I do wanna see Daytona USA 1/2 on it as well. BUT NO SEGA, We can go fuck ourselves ;c

@Anis-bo1kn 3 жыл бұрын

The problem is with licensing, since SEGA Rally games have licensed cars it would cost them much money to pay for their licenses and re-release the games.

@nicomario4183 3 жыл бұрын

My money si ready !

@MAL9000. 3 жыл бұрын

@@Anis-bo1kn and so did Activision with THPS 1+2 and people said "there will never be a THPS remaster because of licensing costs money". If they can't get a license of a car or it's expensive then replace it with a current WRC car.

@Anis-bo1kn 3 жыл бұрын

@@MAL9000. My point is that since it’s a 3D racing game they will either have to redraw the cars’ models so that they match the newly-licensed ones or just make a new game altogether (like SEGA Rally 3/Revo) because if they are going to remaster these old games they will end up being delisted at some point in the future as it happened with Outrun 2006 and Online. And THPS 1+2 are technically remakes, they were rebuilt from the ground up to match the current-gen’s standards in terms of hardware performance, so they can’t be counted as a rerelease, which means that they worth the cost of getting a Tony Hawk license.

@segaredux4885 3 жыл бұрын

The fact that we received a port of this 90’s classic at all is something to be thankful for, considering Sega has been sitting on an entire library of great arcade titles for several decades that haven’t seen the light of day outside of emulation (and, sadly, likely never will!) One must take into consideration that the initial port of SR2 was five things at the same time: it was a 1st gen title on a new architecture, it was a JP launch title (1998), it was Sega’s first attempt at porting an arcade title that ran on the much more powerful and architecturally dissimilar Model 3 Step 2.1, its code was adapted from the PC version in development at the same time, and finally it was also intended to showcase Windows CE. Lots of factors working against it as to why it wasn’t ‘arcade perfect’, but in spite of all of that pressure, we still ended up with a pretty great game. Were Sega’s later efforts on the system (F355, Sega GT, Crazy Taxi) more visually advanced and consistent? Yes. Is it a shame that online play was dropped? Certainly. But in SR2, I would argue that Sega gave us one of the best ports we ever received from them during the DC years in terms of content beyond just ‘arcade mode’. I disagree with one point that SLX made in the video: if you are going to play SR2, getting the PC version to work is 100% worth it. 800X600 maxed out at a rock-steady 60fps is closer to how it should have played on the DC. I still play SR2, and the PC version is the only one I return to.

@marcelopires711 3 жыл бұрын

I'm just glad for Sega Rally (the first) to exist. And for that outstanding Sega Saturn port also. I also have a crush for Sega Model 2 games aesthetics.

@CyclonesWorld 3 жыл бұрын

Also for anyone who doesn't know, Sega Sound Team has a HUGE collection of their various soundtracks on Spotify right now. It is so damn glorious, and there is a lot to explore and listen to.

@nSquared75 3 жыл бұрын

It definitely had its flaws but, I wasn’t let down with the overall presentation. I do feel that Sega could have locked the FPS had they held it longer. The only letdown was the fact that Sega was in a rough spot and, it was disappointing that they didn’t value the series more to showpiece the Dreamcast hardware.

@SegaLordX 3 жыл бұрын

I remember you took to it a lot better than me at first. I was salty for awhile about how it ran. I didn't start enjoying it until after the US release.

@nSquared75 3 жыл бұрын

@@SegaLordX Yeah. I also played it a lot better than I ever could the first one. It seemed easier. The first one was not for the faint of heart so, it took time to build the skills to play it well.

@madmechanicmickeeie1370 3 жыл бұрын

@@SegaLordX just on the FPS front...... im sure the japanese version was 60fps..... had dips, the EU release over here was locked to 30, buuuut.... if you put the EU disk into the Japanese DC then it also ran at 60fps, and ran smoother than the japanese release. im sure that was the case, i had both versions of the game and console.......

@ZinhoMegaman 3 жыл бұрын

@@madmechanicmickeeie1370 The Brazilian version plays better than the US version, this I can confirm. It's because they had to change It to run properly on our color system, Pal-M, as the US version simple don't work on Brazilian Dreamcast, only half of the screen appears. It was the first time an NTSC game gave this problem for us, as Pal games do have the same half screen problem here, unless on PS2 with component cables which solves this problem entirely.

@IamMarkSmith 3 жыл бұрын

I love the soundtrack in both the first and second Sega Rally games. Pure excellence.

@edgesdragon888 3 жыл бұрын

I think there's also a 30 FPS code that keeps mud effects in place while maintaining frame rate consistency.

@shazkhan9295 3 жыл бұрын

Whoa, I never knew there was a performance code for this game. This is one of my most played games on the dreamcast and one of my favorite racers of all time. The fps is noticeable but the gameplay is so tight and fun there hasn't been an arcade rally game like it since.

@stevesteve0521 3 жыл бұрын

It’s definitely not a letdown to me and yes I’ll consider it a classic. I do prefer the first sega rally on the Saturn more though. Another great video, thank you Sega Lord X!

@andrewallan5442 3 жыл бұрын

It was ok, but for me the Dreamcast launch was odd. 19 titles! Many classics but these should have spaced them out to avoid a draught .

@everbornnjackson 3 жыл бұрын

Same here! For some reason The Saturn version of the 1st felt more SEGA to me loL

@deckofcards87 3 жыл бұрын

Why do you prefer the first, the controls? I'm planning on buying Rally 2

@stevesteve0521 3 жыл бұрын

@@deckofcards87 mostly frame rate issues and it didn’t really feel like a step up from the first game gameplay wise but I still think the game is great.

@zanychelly 3 жыл бұрын

Sega loosing money by not releasing HD Versions of the series.

@cineastik8220 3 жыл бұрын

I‘d like to say that as well, and hell, what would I be happy to see a Dreamcast Mini HD released with optimized classics like Sega Rally 2 (the arcade version). But let‘s face it, guys like you and me are people who do not belong to the mainstream. There have to be more people to buy something like that. I simply think that the production costs would not be regained from the sales...

@KingNothing100 3 жыл бұрын

They'd rather try and sell everyone another copy of Sonic the Hedgehog 1, lol.

@krislambert6625 3 жыл бұрын

yes!!! i would pay good money to have sega rally 2,daytona usa 2 and scud race remastered or just re-release. these games were the golden birth of 3D racing games! come on sega!!

@madmechanicmickeeie1370 3 жыл бұрын

i imported a dreamcast just to play this, i wasnt blown away by the driving which was alot different to sega rally 1995, but eventually i fell deep into the game, it was superb, and i still play the arcade version via the supermodel 3 emu. it was a let down that quickly turned into a classic. the cars, the tracks, shaving 100ths of seconds off a fastest lap, it was EPIC! still is! great video ;)

@charliehunt6336 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you are moving on to more dreamcast stuff. Also happy with the 1 game per video. Keep it up!

@SomeOrangeCat 3 жыл бұрын

10:59 "Sega shat the bed on this, however." is pretty much the mantra for describing Sega at that point in time.

@SteveBrandon 3 жыл бұрын

I think the Dreamcast version is in the alright category but I've never played the arcade version to compare it to. The most visually impressive Dreamcast racing game I have is F355 Challenge which, of course, blows the Dreamcast version of Sega Rally 2 out of the water in terms of framerate.

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

@Random Scottish Guy It was too damn hard. F355 would have been an incredible series if it weren't so absurdly hard. I think the game was really made for 3 screens mind as you need a wider perspective to have a better understanding of your momentum and negotiating corners. Man... This game could have been an awesome contender against GT.

@DerivitivFilms 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even notice that it wasn't arcade perfect. I remember picking it up at media play and seeing that it had a load of tracks and cars not in the arcade though and all these other features, and that was the best thing, especially being used to games with 3 cars and 3 tracks lol

@thefreshwaterpirate 3 жыл бұрын

I like this format. One game, one vid. Short, sweet and to the point.

@carllavery4442 3 жыл бұрын

Back when it came out i was blown away by it and loved playing it. However going back to it recently it was pretty rough until I discovered the framerate code which made it play a lot smoother overall. That said I still prefer the Saturn game and the PS3/360 reboot rarely gets a mention but that still plays brilliantly with track deformation really making a difference to tracks and the handling of your cars

@deadcentre-retro-meaningma6209 3 жыл бұрын

What bugs me about this game is how dark the car always is even in bright sunshine.

@ajgreen868 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t think the graphics were to far off from the arcade. I remembered just sitting in awe when I first played this game on the Dreamcast. It was such a huge jump when compared to the ps1

@xXxGantzzxXx 3 жыл бұрын

A classic imo. At the time of release I had never seen the arcade version to compare it with. Being a huge fan of SR on the Saturn, it was a huge improvement on the Dreamcast. Loaded with game options it was a step above SR1. If you don't compare it, and see it as a stand alone product, it stands on its own as a great driving game.

@CubamusPrime 3 жыл бұрын

Virtua Fighter 3 was such a perfect port. Don't know why they couldn't port this game right.

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't perfect but it was definitely an amazing testament of how close you can deliver the graphics to the Arcade. Clearer evidence that going WinCE was truly the wrong choice.

@darinherrick2503 3 жыл бұрын

@@EAprima Clearer evidence is the fact that Microsoft used the experience gained from this collaboration to release the Xbox.

@cbarger2327 3 жыл бұрын

When VF3TB came out, reviewers were really hard on it for being less than arcade perfect, but the differences were definitely exaggerated. It had a slightly lower poly count in the character models, and dropped a few frames in the pre-fight flyover of the arena (not during actual gameplay). If you watch a side-by-side of the two games you'll see that the DC version is nearly identical to the arcade game. And keep in mind, most footage of the arcade version of VF3 on YT is from an emulator running it in a higher resolution - the actual arcade game ran in a lower resolution than the DC version.

@overwatch761 3 жыл бұрын

I think fighters are in general less taxing than racing games, VF3 had lots of smart nips and tucks. It's easy to forget how powerful Model 3 was. Even so Sega Rally 2 on Dreamcast looks incredible.

@sungketpatel30 3 жыл бұрын

@@darinherrick2503 interesting - I never thought of that! So without Sega, there would have been no Xbox (or a very different version of it!)

@LucianTheWorldGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I would LOVE a collection, yes, but I would like to be able to chose at least between the arcade version and the console version(s) for each title, I wouldn't want to pass on the exclusive console contents as well!

@sherekhangamedev 3 жыл бұрын

My favorite Rally video game ever. I had it on PC un the early 2000.

@MollyDogsm 3 жыл бұрын

Something about the scale of the first Game and track design makes it feel and look more realistic to me than number 2. They got it perfect.

@pianissimx4333 3 жыл бұрын

the first game is the best racing game ever, period. One of the most addictive games I've ever tried, both for the design of its tracks and its handling. Simply perfect.

@markandisobel 2 жыл бұрын

no way

@Holothurion 3 жыл бұрын

Still holds pretty well. Sega racers and the Burnout series have that classic look that stays midway between arcade-style and pure realism, and you can only love such visuals, especially if you've been many years in this "business". Great video as always, keep 'em coming. 👍

@temjin0014 3 жыл бұрын

I always loved how Sega Rally would celebrate your game over with “Game Over Yeaaaaaaaah!!!!!”

@wwjnz9263 3 жыл бұрын

I took it on its own merits then, because; I loved the ever living crap out of this game. In my opinion, this was how home ports were to handle arcade ports. Not just bring the arcade home, but to have a feature rich 10 year mode. That offered a ton of replayability. And then the music was amazing. So what that the graphics didn't match the arcade, or that the frame rate and draw distance weren't the best. At the time, you show me an arcade port that was as good except for Soul Calibur?

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

I hear you. To be clear to everyone, remember that Soul Calibur is a System 12 game (advanced PS1) which is why it is an exception.

@ItPutsTheLotionOnItsSkin 3 жыл бұрын

It was an awful port that massively disappointed and annoyed me at the time. Sega *finally* learned to add more content to their home ports of arcade games, but completely failed with performance and graphics when they finally had a console that could match their arcade hardware. The fact that the Saturn port of the original Sega Rally ran at a 100% locked frame rate on a way less powerful console was just embarrassing. The DC was meant to be "next gen" and the SR2 port couldn't even get close to a locked 30fps and with vastly inferior graphics to the arcade. Ridiculous. Soul Calibur was a early DC release, by a 3rd party dev, and yet in such a small amount of development time they still managed to _significantly_ improve the graphics over the arcade (completely remaking all characters and stages), while adding tons of content and having totally solid performance. So i don't know why you mentioned that game because it just further invalidates your argument.

@juliooliveira8831 3 жыл бұрын

Take into account all the WinCE conditions, it's a classic and great work from the developers. Tip: play it in the "lock" 30 fps mode if you don't have a overclocked Dreamcast (or if you don't use emulators.)

@PuyoPuyoMan 3 жыл бұрын

The Dreamcast was the first home console I bought for myself as a kid and this game was one of the first I picked up. I love it to death, and back then didn't really notice the framerate issues (as tends to be the case with games we all play as kids). Even today I still think it's very playable and very enjoyable, but I won't deny when paired side-by-side with the arcade version it's pretty rough.

@Chris-Courage 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Saturn version has better control/handling. However the Dreamcast version looks so dam good I'm willing to look past those faults.

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

Did Sega Rally 1 on the Saturn had better controls? I thought they were both the same in consideration of what they were done in mind for - Saturn for digital controls and arcade for analogue controls. I.e. neither one nor the other had better controls. Yup, though it was still dug me I still looked past the graphical differences between the Arcade and Dreamcast version of SR2. Man, some of the stages were absolutely amazing, especially when it rains hard on a muddy stage, it's so frantic.

@shamrice 3 жыл бұрын

@@EAprima Sega Rally 1 on Saturn definitely had better controls (in my opinion) than Sega Rally 2 on Dreamcast. When I first got SR1, after playing a bunch, I remember being able to make it through each course sliding around without ever hitting a wall (Except Lakeside... that track was brutally narrow). SR2 on Dreamcast, I never could get that same feel of control over the car like I did in Saturn no matter how much I played. It looks AMAZING but I still prefer SR1 over SR2 any day.

@mrsmilee 3 жыл бұрын

gameplay > graphics.

@RetroGamesBoy78 3 жыл бұрын

@@EAprima I can't really say because i used the Analogue controller for Sega Rally on Saturn but used the official D.C. steering wheel on Sega Rally 2. But what I can say is using the wheel on SR2 on Dreamcast is over all a more fun experience, especially when you got to the level I did, playing in "bonnet cam mode" and being able to race every track near perfect with it, i almost felt like i could take on Colin McRae. lol

@sswishbone 3 жыл бұрын

There's actually a third Sega Rally for arcade, came out around 2007 and was called WRC Edition. Featuring the most up to date car licences for the time. Cabinet had full manual controls, including a handbrake down by the seat.

@harrymasonsm 3 жыл бұрын

I had so much fun playing this game. It was one of the reasons I bought a Dreamcast.

@BlockABoots 3 жыл бұрын

Is the aspect ratio correct in this video as the cars look to tall and narrow or it that just the way they looked??

@Redhotsmasher 3 жыл бұрын

11:57 "the Dreamcast is pretty much your only option" - what about the PC version though? I still definitely have to agree though that these games could definitely use a rerelease with the arcade visuals (but higher resolution options would be nice) and Force Feedback but with the extra content of the home versions.

@glennshoemake4200 3 жыл бұрын

You can play the arcade version using the Supermodeler emulator as long as you have a fairly modern pc.

@willeysingleton3057 3 жыл бұрын

Hey bud been watching you channel the last 5 months , your honest info for Sega is refreshing. I owned the big two G anx Snes, as a kid, and i have a love for both. You do sega a great justice with your representation presentations, and st8 up facts. Glade you were recommended.

@Larry 3 жыл бұрын

I just didn't think it was as good as the orignal, the feeling just felt off. But Sega's always had a knack of making sequels to classic racers no where near as good as the original. OutRun 2 being the only exception IMO. Absolutely hated Sega Rally 3 though, totally dropped the ball with that one.

@sneakman9873 3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried SEGA Rally Revo. Disregarding the framerate, the game is pretty good and has a wealth of content considering it's an arcade racer.

@tartellu5010 2 жыл бұрын

what about sega rally 2006

@Agnates 4 ай бұрын

Press Up, A, Down, Down, Left, Right, B, B, Up at the Press Start Button screen to lock framerate to 30fps (a tone confirms correct entry). That's different to the 60fps code that reduces visuals and still can't maintain 60fps much more than the vanilla default setting. This makes gameplay 100% stable and perfectly playable with no issues so you can enjoy the substantial additional content over the arcade version. Where the arcade has 4 tracks, the home version offers the first three as track themes with 3 courses each, plus two all new themes on top with the same amount of courses for each, plus weather and time of day variations of all of these through the 10 year championship campaign. So, while it's a technically challenged port, its gameplay & new content (against Sega's usual barebones efforts) make it more than worthwhile. Of course it's also much higher resolution, Model 3 pushed just 62% the pixels (or Dreamcast pushes 161,29% the pixels), so something had to give for such an early port from such completely different architecture and programming methods, given they also added some effects/lighting. That's also part of why imo Daytona USA (2001) is nothing to scoff at next to Daytona USA 2 as that too is higher resolution with flawless performance and draw distance, it just aped the original game more than the sequel in style, theme and even gameplay and did so very successfully, it's ace!

@raphaelfp 3 жыл бұрын

I'm posting this prior to watching the video. I really think Sega Rally 2 is criminally underrated. The 10 season mode is lots of fun and very challenging, just as the secret circuit you may unlock. I like the way you can set the car up and the visuals and car options are a nice improvement since the first game, which I used to play more times than Daytona USA. Is it noticeable I really like SR2? That's because I do, lol. Pressing play!

@raphaelfp 3 жыл бұрын

Just watched and although the video mentions the quality of the game and where DC has got it right, I think this graphics discussion is pretty much nitpicking. While it was running both versions side to side I wasn't able to tell a big difference between them, it's much more like those raw or smooth filters you turn on/off when you're playing some retro game in a modern console. I agree, however, that Sega should bring the franchise back in great style and maybe launching a third one in 4K, all the stuff. Good video anyway

@StRoRo 3 жыл бұрын

I bought this used and was looking forward to using it. But with CD media becoming brittle, a tiny perfect ring of plastic snapped off the centre hold when I took it out the box meaning the CD drive doesn't grip it to spin. :(

@bigmike4758 3 жыл бұрын

The Dreamcast might be the best console to fail commercially. If I was Sega in the summer of 2001, I wouldn't discontinue the console. I would push forward for another year or two.

@drunkensailor112 3 жыл бұрын

And with what? Monopoly money?

@MANOFGOD9000 3 жыл бұрын

Sega was hemorrhaging money at that point. They did what they had to in order to survive. If they did what you are proposing, Sega wouldn't be around anymore.

@wizzgamer 3 жыл бұрын

I agree had it had a full life span it would have claimed 2nd place. Sega pretty much died with the Dreamcast while it was on the market with the PS2 it actually had better games but that was of course irrelevant as it didn’t play DVD movies.

@itchy.tasty. 3 жыл бұрын

@@wizzgamer I had both consoles back then and still to this day. It wasn't "just the dvd". In 2001, PS2 got Gran Turismo 3, Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy X, MGS 2, Twisted Metal: Black, GTA 3, Crash Wrath of Cortex, SSX, Jack & Daxter, Onimusha, Ico, Max Payne, among many other great games. It simply pulverised the Dreamcast.

@wizzgamer 3 жыл бұрын

@@itchy.tasty. Exactly which all came out after the Dreamcast’s demise the fact remains while both where on the market throughout 2000-early 2001 the Dreamcast’s was coming out with much better games yet not selling.

@gojohnniegogo 3 жыл бұрын

I remember reading about the frame rate problems in magazines before release. I still had to have it though, and I loved it despite the flaws. To this day I'm still absolutely baffled as to why they removed the Escort from the PAL version. Heh, back then I just used to set the music to every track to Soul On Desert.

@MH-yp6wg Жыл бұрын

There were any other tracks than Soul on Desert? :)

@PixelShade 8 ай бұрын

I think the biggest letdown was really on the graphics department and the fact that AM9 used it to dual develop the Windows version and Dreamcast version (through WindowsCE).... To be honest, those days were the dark ages of PC graphics APIs and crappy middleware. But what we lost in authenticity from the arcade for the Dreamcast, we gained in features from the home PC version. :) It wasn't a bad home version, but in a perfect world they would have put a team like AM2 on converting the arcade for the dreamcast while building new features on top of what was already excellent. There's no doubt in my mind that the DC was able to handle an arcade-perfect version of Sega Rally 2. But this is what we got, and to be fair, it wasn't too bad... It's only a shame it couldn't lock to 60fps.

@atinimaedigresyl 3 жыл бұрын

I played this and Soul Calibur the most. I used to turn off the game music and pop a CD in my stereo system and play for a couple hours. Racing games are the only games I put on my own music. Man, you just brought back some memories! Very good.

@ShinobiWan1 3 жыл бұрын

I remember the day I bought this from eb games, such a great experience! I actually never got to play it in the arcade, so the last Sega Rally I knew was the Saturn version. This one blew my mind!

@wavecast64 3 жыл бұрын

I was just wondering the other day if you had a review for the dreamcast sega rally. What a great surprise

@colinswinbourn117 3 жыл бұрын

This is one of my most played Dreamcast games. I like it for what it is and it is a great time doing time trials with friends on the couch while drinking too many beers

@stephandolby 3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't understand at the time why they couldn't do a perfect port, but then I didn't know that it was on an enhanced Model 3 board which was pretty much three times as fast as that which VF3 ran on... so even without Windows CE being in the way, it's unlikely that we'd have got anywhere close to a perfect port.

@JanNeves 3 жыл бұрын

I was so happy getting and playing this game in 1999. It was amazing in its time.

@cicabeot1 3 жыл бұрын

I still think this game looks amazing with VGA. Progressive modes for these sixth gen games continue to impress me.

@andrewheard3099 3 жыл бұрын

Good episode! Feelings on doing one on Star Wars: Pod Racer?! Hands down fun.

@goldend-pad5257 3 жыл бұрын

also Fighting vipers 2 is a model 3 game that was one of the last releases in Pal territories and is arcade perfect so it was certainly capable of emulating model 3 exactly or close to.

@JorgeAraujo97 3 жыл бұрын

My first memory from this game was from an tv ad for the Pentium III in early 1999.

@richfan10 3 жыл бұрын

Loved Sega Rally on Saturn I remember feeling underwhelmed when I got this on Dreamcast back in the day ... didn’t know until now about the 60fps code 👍

@Spartan77 3 жыл бұрын

Both the arcade and the Dreamcast versions are great games, on their own merits. IMO the Dreamcast version may be more impressive due to the fact that the home console had less to work with. Excellent review Sega Lord X.

@ginovavienne7581 3 жыл бұрын

I love the pc version and dc version its a classic.

@DoctorFuu 3 жыл бұрын

For that I know the western releases were made in Windows CE hence downgraded while the Japan version runs on native DC graphics hence better (I never corroborated that). Same happened with some other games because of the stubborn Sega of America initially mandating using Windows CE to keep Microsoft happy... One of the motives of the Dreamcast downfall was the lack of mutual understading between the two Segas making some japanese gems never see the light in the west that would have boosted the system. I think this is worth commenting for a future Dreamcast video.

@MoonScythe1 3 жыл бұрын

You are almost correct about this, and it is something that Sega Lord X should have researched. Windows CE api was used to port Sega Rally 2 to the Dreamcast to demonstrate the speed of porting using it. Although porting was fast, the trade offs and limitations to using that method are quite obvious. This is the case with ALL region versions of the game. If the game was ported using an in-house low-level api, the results would have been MUCH better, to possibly even arcade perfect.

@SegaLordX 3 жыл бұрын

The Japanese and US versions both run unstable. And I mentioned Windows CE was the reason the port suffered.

@MoonScythe1 3 жыл бұрын

@@SegaLordX Actually at 5:06 you do mention Windows CE and the fact it does not use the Dreamcast hardware to it's fullest potential. Have no idea how I missed that. Thanks for clarifying.

@DoctorFuu 3 жыл бұрын

@MoonScythe1 @@SegaLordX Lot of time passed the memories about this are diffused lol. If I remember correctly, actually this is a direct port of the inferior PC version instead of the arcade. They did this to show off the new Windows CE capabilties etcetera. Luckly they didn't have much PC games to "port" to Dreamcast and the system flourished with true arcade ports.

@Rokabur 3 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorFuu I actually prefer the DC version of StarLancer. PC version has WAY too many things to manage (you have to manually engage the jump-drive when called for, you can shift the power from balanced to favor shields, weapons or engines).

@alxsarti 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know from which region you are, but, with the jetlag, your videos come out just when I wake up a at 6:00 (in France). Every morning I watch SLX for the breakfast, and it's very cool. Have a nice day.

@philmason9653 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked it a lot. Having been an NES kid, frame rate stuttering has never been a big deal to me. It's what I practically grew up on. But I also had no frame of reference for this game; I had never owned a Saturn at that point, and tended not to play sit-down racers in the arcade since my money went way further with fighting games. And so the online complaints around the game did bug me a little, that like Daytona it wasn't living up to a legendary Saturn version. Eventually I hit a wall in the game that I just couldn't pass, even running what I thought was a perfect race. I still remember the frustration to this day. I couldn't even imagine getting through the full ten seasons.

@MastermindAtWork 3 жыл бұрын

It was this, Daytona 2001, and MSR werethe first racing games I thought of when I bought my first Dreamcast a couple months ago. Sega Rally 2 is only game I kept coming back.

@vasileios6301 3 жыл бұрын

Dreamcast could do it perfect, they just chose to port it through Windows CE and that killed it. All Windows CE DC games are mediocre to crap, the only good thing about WInCE is that it made DC a great emulators console (for those of us who were deeper on DC)

@djernogoldenvideo 3 жыл бұрын

It's still a really fun game in my opinion. The biggest drawback is the inconsistent framerate because it does hamper enjoyment of the gameplay. Great video!

@dreamcastfan 3 жыл бұрын

I personally do love the game, Sega definitely screwed up using Windows CE as I’m certain that was responsible for the performance and lower res textures in the game. On the plus side the DC does run the game at a higher resolution than the arcade version. I actually didn’t like Sega Rally 2 that much back in the day when I imported a Japanese launch machine. It wasn’t the graphics that bothered me it was the fact I couldn’t beat it! 😅 About 10 years ago though I gave it another try and finally found the right car for me (Lancia Stratos) which allows me to consistently beat the game and I love it now. I’ll always consider the game to be a pretty good port that was hamstrung by Sega’s decision to use Windows CE. I know they did it to show PC developers they could use DirectX and that it wouldn’t be the nightmare the Saturn was; but in the long term it was probably a bad choice to launch with something that didn’t show the DC could outdo Model 3. I wonder if things would have been different for the Dreamcast is Sega hadn’t used CE? There’s an arcade near me that does have a Sega Rally 2, unfortunately the game looks like crap because they’ve replaced the 4:3 CRTs with widescreen LCD panels that stretch and blur the graphics. 😢 That said, it plays identically to the DC version, I was able to beat it first try by using the same techniques I use to beat the DC version, which I think is the best compliment that one can give to Sega Rally 2 on the DC.

@lurkerrekrul 3 жыл бұрын

Many years ago, I saw a Dreamcast system set up in a local store and it had a racing/driving game running on it. I thought it was Sega Rally 2, but now I'm not so sure. What I remember is that it had a weird looking car that seemed to have a segmented front (like the front wheels were on a separate piece joined to the main car body by a hinge), and it was stuck on a wooden bridge over a small stream out in a wilderness type area. I tried playing it, but didn't know the controls and never managed to get the car off the bridge. Does this sound like Sega Rally 2, or was it some other game?

@legendaryguitarhero 3 жыл бұрын

I have very good memories of Sega rally 2, one of my first game on Dreamcast but it was very difficult

@balaam_7087 3 жыл бұрын

That music during the side by side comparison around 7:50 is omg good 🤩

@Ryuhei64 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video! Virtua Fighter 3 was another launch Dreamcast game that had disappointed reviews because it wasnt as lush as the Model 3 version, but it was a fantastic game anyway.

@nikescar 3 жыл бұрын

Very strange that the vehicles and tachometer look stretched vertically. Was there a widescreen mode in this game that was turned on by accident for the video?

@nikescar 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like the aspect ratio of the captured footage is 1.2:1 vs 1.33:1(4:3)

@FoSS777 3 жыл бұрын

You're right, the Dreamcast does this sometimes with its 480p video mode depending on what type of display you are using.

@MaidenHell1977 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy it, glad I picked it up a few years ago for my meager DC collection.

@danielwood4590 3 жыл бұрын

Still remember getting my import dreamcast and this game definitely a classic still return to this every so often to complete 10 year championship. not as good as the original but that is one of the best racing games ever made.

@acecarrera1 3 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely with you when it comes to SEGA arcade racing, I could spend hours watching its attract mode, even with tokens in my pocket.Now I'm dying to know your view on Ferrari F355 Challenge.

@temjin85 3 жыл бұрын

Isnt your model3 emulator screen Resolution too high for a fair comparison with the dc footage? Maybe i am wrong but it looks far to high res for model3. I noticed this too on other Videos, maybe a point to consider for future comparison videos :)

@sahasrahla7 3 жыл бұрын

The Model 3 supported resolution up to 480p. So yeah, the Arcade and Dreamcast version should have the same resolution (real DC via VGA adapter). This does not seem to be the case in the footage here.

@nitroscorner655 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, Sega Rally 2 is still my jam on Dreamcast. While the one on Saturn is still so damn good, I love the Dreamcast one too much.

@8bits161 3 жыл бұрын

Love this new format, each review is awesome 👍

@bjornh1527 3 жыл бұрын

Sega Rally 2 was the game I had most fun with from the initial lineup! It was the game that made me think "graphics won´t ever be more realistic than this"! Looking at it now, the pop up and fog hurts it. But what kept me playing was the 10 year career mode (never managed to beat year 4) and great split screen races! This game had a healthy dose of unlockable cars as well as the many exclusive tracks. Many of these tracks are my favourites, especially the crazy snow levels!

@jiface 3 жыл бұрын

enjoyed these new game specific videos. great job

@av5165 2 жыл бұрын

Love this game! Recently purchased a Dreamcast and this game.

@matthewbown1072 3 жыл бұрын

No way is it a let down, I have never seen Sega Rally 2 in an arcade but love the Dreamcast version. An arcade not to far from me still has the original, and saw SR3 in another just a month or two ago. SEGA need to pull there finger out and get these ported to current gen consoles

@Mark-pr7ug Жыл бұрын

I always wanted a dream cast but sadly never fulfilled that wish. However, 23 years later, I'd still own one, especially to play this racer. Still looks and sounds good.

@VegarotFusion 3 жыл бұрын

Playing this on the Saturn when I was 10. I thought the graphics were identical to the Arcade. My brother and I hired the console from the video store with Sega Rally, Virtua Cop and the guns. What a weekend. It was awesome. It sucked going back to the Genesis after.

@Gr4yF0x 3 жыл бұрын

Would be awesome a video about Sega Rally 2006 (ps2). This game is a hidden gem.

@ForeverLacey09 3 жыл бұрын

I was disappointed with the the Dreamcast version when it released. I had high expectations with the Naomi upgrade the game would receive with the Dreamcast port. It was okay for what it was though.

@3venFl0w 3 жыл бұрын

Not a let down but not a classic just a good early DC game . I felt the same about the DC Daytona. Maybe it was bcos I was a little older at this point . The original seemed to capture magic and essence of sega and the mid 90s to me

@Monacomaverick 3 жыл бұрын

My dad bought me Sega Rally 2 when we saw the big box PC version at a computer store in N.Y. It was also the first time I heard Monsoon Planar speakers, which sound incredible. I ended up with the speakers next Christmas and I still have both items to this day. Monsoon may be no more, but at least Sega is still alive, if just barely.

@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын

Such a pity the marketing for SEGA PC at the time give such a shallow expression of Sega games on that format. If everyone knew the truth, people would have pushed harder to purchase the PC versions of all Dreamcast games for a better experience. However, perhaps they didna want to push so hard in an effort to not affect Dreamcast sales. Oh well.

@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481 Жыл бұрын

I had this on PC when I was really small and absolutely loved it. I had a steering wheel and everything. Must have put so many hours into that game, but honestly I've only ever played the arcade machine once or twice. I think kid me was like "eh I have this game at home".

@kennethpowers8377 3 жыл бұрын

Sega lord x I appreciate you bro for reals. I hope your channel catch some traffic look 20 K in the first year on retro gaming ain't bad on any video. I f with you here's a sub and love the professionalism and longer reviews. Snes drunk is my go to but all the videos are short be unique stay in depth. Anyway here's a sub and like on every video keep it coming. Bring on more dreamcast Sega isn't forgotten. Love you bro and all my Sega partners.

@Cafeman_2D 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed SR2 a lot, in fact last year after I got the DC HDMI cable I replayed all of the Ten Years mode. But I do remember the wacky frame rate changes as you went around some curves in early tracks, yikes! SR1 Saturn tunes are really unbeatable with a fantastic job on the guitars, was that really Joe Satriani playing along with the SOJ musicians as rumored? Thanks for the show!

@nicklong27 3 жыл бұрын

I bought it back in the day when it was new, it was hard as balls but i friggin loved it. Great game.

@luisbarbosa5532 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing game, played it non stop on the dreamcast, later on the pc - superb game also - and still looks and feels amazing.

@stephenhall2980 3 жыл бұрын

It's a similar situation to Daytona USA on the Saturn. poor draw distance, dodgy frame rate and less detailed graphics compared to the arcade version,yet they nailed the handling and gameplay.

@shamrice 3 жыл бұрын

Yep. I feel the same. SR1 on Saturn vs SR2 on Dreamcast is like the Saturn original Daytona USA vs Daytona CCE. One looks much better and has more content but there's no comparison when it comes to controls.

@THENAMEISQUICKMAN 3 жыл бұрын

I feel this is MUCH better than Daytona on the Saturn. I can't imagine ever thinking that looked good, while Sega Rally 2 on Dreamcast still looks good despite not looking *as* good as the arcade version.

@shamrice 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I might have worded my reply weird. I was just comparing that Sega Rally 1 looks worse than Sega Rally 2 but Sega Rally 1 controls better. Like how Daytona USA looks worse than Daytona CCE but Daytona USA controls better.

@Whenitraveltheworld 3 жыл бұрын

7.09 is it just me or does the arcade version knock 10 seconds off the track countdown timer right away ? Man that must make it a lot harder.

@SegaLordX 3 жыл бұрын

I think that's the difficulty settings. Arcade was default and the DC was on easy, giving you that extra bit of time.

@joerig96 3 жыл бұрын

90s is golden age of Rally racing world, many Players love Rally because of this game 😎👍

@mp3545 10 ай бұрын

I didn’t have it when I was a kid, but I actually started playing it fairly recently and I think it holds up really well as a great option for people who want a fun arcade rally game. The controls are tight, the customization is very good for an arcade game, and the tracks are all fun. The timer is absolutely ruthless, even on the normal difficulty, so either git gud or try not to feel bad about turning the difficulty down a step or two.

@gertytk5528 3 жыл бұрын

An absolutely legendary game that has a special place in my heart. Both the arcade and Dreamcast. Dreamcast version's performance sure was a let down, but the PC version has better visuals and silky smooth 60fps all the time like the arcade. I recently played through that version for the very first time. I still remember when I finally got the Dreamcast home version after a long and painful wait, and was suprised to see that Ford Escort wasn't in the game (I had planned to play with it first). Later found out that for some reason it was only in the Japanese version and we got different cars.

@ZimingHong84 Жыл бұрын

Hi, how do you installed the PC version of 1999 on windows 11? It does not allow me to install. Thank you

@AlvarezAzel 3 жыл бұрын

While I initially hated this game when I got it for christmas in 1999 I later learned to love it and forgive its flaws. It's still nowhere near as good as the original Sega Saturn game but the heart and soul is still there. I hold the first game very close to my heart even to this day, heck I even use a lot of it's music in my own videos. As for christmas 1999... Speed Devils was my racing game of choice, man that was a hidden gem if there ever was one!

@kintypoo121 3 жыл бұрын

Loved SEGA RALLY 2 in the arcades. At the time it blew my tiny mind, but cost a fair sum to play when I was a kid, I'd just watch the replays in awe. Have you tried Sega Rally Revo? It wasn't as good in some ways, but I still play it on PC when I'm in the mood for an arcade-feeling (and sounding) rally racer. Plus it runs smooth as butter on most machines and looks stunning in 4K on the big screen. There's just something beautiful about less-detailed, but well designed and vividly coloured Sega games :D

@Retro90sgamer 6 ай бұрын

Another great video! Thanks SLX!

@skootdiggity1301 3 жыл бұрын

This game is the best looking, best running and best playing racing game EVER MADE. Anyone who doesn't agree can meet me behind the Circle K.

@thomaselers7416 3 жыл бұрын

Same!!!! It's beyond my imagination anyone doesn't like this game.

@haaxxx9 3 жыл бұрын

We are meeting up, BITCH! But seriously SR2 is one of the best racing game that I even seen/played. I with the PC port had proper control calibration/setups...

@itchy.tasty. 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. The arcade version though.

@urbanmidnight1 3 жыл бұрын

Disagree. Best get my boots on.

@bastardjokemen8518 3 жыл бұрын

*laughs in Gran Turismo*