That is interesting! Maybe it'd work if he was Cage.

@@segmentsAndCurves LMFAO

Those idiotic audiences come just to clap and go. They sleep during the piece.

@@rusticagenerica And you are better than them, dear stranger?

@@segmentsAndCurves Do you know how to IQ of a large group compares to the IQ of an average individual?

👍🙂

Omg, that's exactly where I came from

DUDLEY MIDDLETON...

I think I’ve been to that parallel universe. 🖖🏻

@@Lavavy11

as if witnessing an angel

You reminded me that the Sublime transcends descriptives relating to either very good or very bad. It may have been Joseph Campbell who once related how soldiers in a horrific wartime experience have used that word in reference to the extreme situation they were in.

@@giljon5971 When angels have appeared to humans they do not always present in human form. There is a prayer to an angel asking that it does not show itself in a form that the human mind could not endure to witness.

Too bad, for some of us, we may have heard it in the proximity of a movie instead of for the first time unadultered and if so, the meaning might be different. But is it valid to changes one's meaning of this same piece, the next time that we hear it?

This piece captures the feel of outer space far better than John Williams' scores. This doesn't reflect badly on Williams. He's a master for high energy, rip roaring high adventure, dynamic characterization and melodrama. He's the one to go to if you need a memorable leitmotif for your youngster on their hero's myth cycle, your "eeeeeevil empire", your scruffy loveable space rogue, your Superman, or your swashbuckling archaeologist adventurer. But this piece here really captures what deep space is really like. Dark, cold, silent, impersonal, vast, and not at all like driving a car or flying a fighter plane. When you're out there in space, you really are alone.

That was very helpful and informative. Thank you.

The first time I saw the phrase "may perpetual light shine upon" somebody, as a memorial for the recently passed at a nursing home, my first thought was that it sounded very uncomfortable and not to be desired for a loved one.

Strange that the text is from a Roman Requiem Mass but the music express litterally the opposite of the text which is basically full of hope. Strange isn't it?

​@@BTMOvie78I think this has much to do with the shift in the perception of god as an existing being to that which is unknown, everlasting, after, etc.

And the feat of singing it and staying in tune in such chromatic dense lines is phenomenal!

Dreams made into music .

"irritated the piss out of me...and I loved it!"🤣Great reaction. I love mixed emotions too. Ever seen the movie Eraserhead?

Exactly my feeling too.

Exactly!

We have a very limited little experience here on Earth. To truly see the vastness of the cosmos would be wondrous, but terrifying.

Existential horror is often beautiful and terrifying

So you are at earth

agreed !

@John Aldag In some way, don't the comments reflect the disparate reactions listeners have to the piece?

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

​@@randy5655 no there isn't. Stop romanticising mental illness, when mental illness ruins people's lives and is regarded medically and legally as a severe disability. It's never a good thing to be mentally ill, if you're an artist. The mental illness makes it _HARDER_ to create great art, not easier. Believe me. I have schizophrenia. And I'm a songwriter. When I'm ill I can't create anything at all. It's only when I recover again from an episode of psychosis that I can get back to writing.

​@@randy5655 no there isn't. Stop romanticising mental illness, when mental illness ruins people's lives and is regarded medically and legally as a severe disability. It's never a good thing to be mentally ill, if you're an artist. The mental illness makes it _HARDER_ to create great art, not easier. Believe me. I have schizophrenia. And I'm a songwriter. When I'm ill I can't create anything at all. It's only when I recover again from an episode of psychosis that I can get back to writing.

I've seen it before. It is a sight to behold. lol

He must've been tripping on LSD when he wrote it!!

No. Anything but parties.

@@segmentsAndCurves yuo're a real serious man

@@leonesilva4996 I am not a man.

@@segmentsAndCurves something i appreciate

@@leonesilva4996 ok then.

Y😮U are right! I was like...yeah I heard this before re but couldn't locate the source, and now thanks to you, I know it's part of one my fave films of all time.

I personally do not care for Mozart or Bach, the music is too colorless to me, but I can acknowledge the part they played in influencing all of the composers I actually do enjoy. I can imagine how Beethoven might have been considered "avant-garde" for ears tuned to the time period, and perhaps we might be saying the same thing about modern composers in the future.

sinisterbotanist Just curious about your thoughts, what do you mean colorless? And what parts do you acknowledge and how have they influenced specifically one composer you enjoy? What do you imagine to be considered 'avant-garde' about Beethoven and musical sensibilities of people who listened to Beethoven during his life time, and the mentioned 'same thing', what is it and what is it saying about what composers in the future?

OssoPoderoso I'm a synesthete so color is a part of my musical experience. Beethoven and Mozart happen to be very colorless and hence very bland for me. Enjoyable music always has good color. & what is considered avant-garde is really only considered avant-garde within the cultural/historical context (though I use 'avant-garde' synonymously with 'innovative' here). As an example, I love Stravinsky, but he was obviously heavily influenced by a plethora of composers I don't care for. The techniques of the "avant-garde" composers become typical until composers deviate from those typical patterns and you find a whole new innovative paradigm. The perception of modern composers in the future might be the same way we look at Beethoven/Bach/Mozart now. So some snobby kid in the year 3000 may hear a new work by a composer who was deeply influenced by Stravinsky, but his ears are tuning into the new hip pattern deviating stuff by this new composer, so he may dislike Stravinsky in the same way I dislike Beethoven. I may not like it, but I can acknowledge its role in the development of new patterns. The object of musical interest changes. So all of this really goes to say we have perceptions relevant to our historical context. Though, I still agree that music is timeless.

cool..., so what do you consider "hip"?

OssoPoderoso oh, there's so much hip shit going around man you just have to open your ears to find it

You got to fill out a form first, then you wait in the line.

I saw this movie for the first time in 1970 when I was 13, and hearing this music was like a religious experience and I have loved it ever since. It's my favorite movie too!

am i the only one who got this reference?

@@pinkninja1410 No, no. 😊 The book is fantastic. A shame the line was omitted in the film. Even though the line was included in the movie sequel, it would have contributed to the mystery and surreal feeling when Bowman arrived at the monolith in orbit, approaching it. 😄

@@larsadar1987 movie sequel?

@@the.n.1 Yeah, they made '2010: The Year We Made Contact' - in 1982 (I think) - Directed by Peter Hyams, in a fairly audacious move, making a sequel to a Kubrick movie is a dangerous path for ANY director to take (although we did get 'Doctor Sleep' recently by Mike Flannagan - a really surprisingly solid sequel to The Shining)

@@zetetick395 thanks for the reply 😊🙏

that line is so cold

There are countless beautiful dissonant works

Ever heard Thelonius Monk?

@@1000jamesk ever heard of coldplay

​​@@postrock3374 I swear to god you did not seriously jusy write Coldplay under a Ligeti piece.(unless this was a joke, in which case I'm sorry for not "understanding" it straight away)

For me, unpredictable (dissonant) musical passages are often beautiful (why I find Tchaikovsky to be infinitely boring).

forever, and wherever, what is left is silence.. A. Huxley

Many of his works end in silence or even start with silence, like the 2nd string quartet. But uploaders don't seem to bother which is a shame. This silence just belongs to the piece.

Pamela Guedes The rest is silence -W. Shakespeare

Just don't click on another video until seven bars of time has passed. Problem solved.

+toothless toe I hadn't seen you in quite some time.

I’m a self proclaimed layman. Are you trying to say that the music elicits conflicting feelings/emotions? I do not quite know what “primordial self” is after searching the web for a hot minute

@@seanm.9942 something like the very fundament of your being

@@seanm.9942 I would say the limbic system.

@@seanm.9942 My skeleton is ready to hatch

@@shlecko brah

+Ivo Treszka I laughed

words transcend already

There’s a saying: “Music takes us where words cannot.” I don’t mean to sound pretentious or anything; I’m just following up what you said.

...it even transcends butsecks too. So it transcends pain and laughter.

Heaven is hell

Funny that Yog-Sothoth should be saying this.

I listened to it and didn't feel those emotions. You are, therefore, wrong.

Sublime is the only word I can find to describe this

For me it's the perfect piece to describe space. The void of the cosmos, colorful celestial bodies, and vast emptiness. Beautiful and terrifying the same time

I'm a "beautiful, ethereal, and transcendent" guy--see MKAETERNA comment--with a little eerieness or uncertainty thrown in . .

For me not scary, but it's spooky.

It's kinda eerie.

You have to imagine all the victims of the Holocaust crying out in pain, terror, confusion and despair.

Thanks, Mattia. Video looks interesting - bookmarked for watching later.

@@finosuilleabhain7781 I’m happy if you watch it! Let me know what you think.

@@mattia.a_p Hi again, Mattia. I finished watching Part 1 last night and liked it a lot. Pure information, with just enough of yourself and none of the gimmicks and infantile presentation style that make most KZfaq videos so irritating. Having first heard live Ligeti a long time ago (Melodien, Manchester, 15/2/1973), for some reason I find myself drawn to him more and more these days; I just downloaded the Steinitz biography. Those two organ etudes, which I've never really listened to before, sound amazing. After Part 2 I will be checking out your Schoenberg videos and am subscribed so will watch out for any others you make in future. The long, single composer survey format is a good one. Do you compose? Best wishes ... Fin

@@finosuilleabhain7781 Thank you very much! I was impressed by his second string quartet I heard in Berlin. Yes, I would love to hear those organ pieces live one day. Steinitz is very informative. Thank you for subscribing! My next video will be about Anton Webern. I hope to upload it in October. I compose as well, yes. Hopefully I will be able to share some of my music one day. All the best, Mattia

@@mattia.a_p That's great. I look forward to the Webern ... I hope it will be longer than his pieces. :o)

Its tied with the S&M(symphonic) version of Call of Ktulu by Metallica for me. Whatever "The Bridge of Khazad Dum" is for Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings that is the to the Lovecraft mythos for me.

or if 2001 A Space Odyssey had a theme song :D

+ClaylandStudios How it altered your life? I'd like to hear.

+ClaylandStudios Who needs LSD? Just watch the closing sequence to Kubrick's 2001 a Space Odyssey!

+Somerset Pete i assume u havent tried it.

+Teemu Kokkonen made me view voices and sound in a more deep way

i tried it for the first time and didn't think it was worth it

Same for my dogs. How can they understand something to the music?

Lovecraft loved cats.

Your cat probably had a close encounter with the Black Monolith

MY CAT IS TWITCHING

This is freaking me out as well.

Tim Buckley's STARSAILOR always reminds me of this piece.

Spencer McKee Rainer Maria Rilke, 1. Elegie der Duineser Elegien.

Rilke

I concur.

Herman Joseph what do you do about Maurice Ravel ? He was pretty neat

@@josephivernel2078 I think he is talking about completely atonal composers

Alejandro M. Bartok didn’t really compose atonal music though...

No. First half: Stravinsky/Schoenberg. Second half: Frank Zappa (😂)

very well put!

I wonder if Ligeti was haunted by dreams of the concentration camps where his father and brother died.

Nope, this is clearly a warm day in late Spring, near a lake, with a bottle of wine and a woman you love. But she's there with me.

Now I'm hearing this differently.

So corruption?

mein Herr, Ligeti war keiner österreichische Komponist. Seine Familie war Ungarisch, er war geboren in Transylvanie (nach dem erste Weltkrieg) und er lebte in Romanie, Ungarn und andere Länden.

FiliusPluviae Sie haben natürlich Recht, György Ligeti wurde in Rumänien geboren und war rumänisch-ungarischer Herkunft. Doch ab 1967 war Ligeti österreichischer Staatsbürger und wurde 2006 in einem Ehrengrab am Wiener Zentralfriedhof beigesetzt. Ich habe dennoch oben "österreichischer" Komponist entfernt.

***** ja, es ist so. aber ich weisse (und glaube) nicht ob er dachte sich Österreichischer zu sein. ich glaube er wollte nur aus Ungarn und von den Kommunisten zu fliehen und die österreichische Staatsbürgerschaft war nur ein Mittel um dies zu erreichen. aber, es ist möglich dass ich falsch bin...

FiliusPluviae Ligeti floh 1956 - wie Sie richtig sagen, vor der kommunistischen Partei - nach Wien, 1967 nahm er die österreichische Staatsbürgerschaft an - freiwillig, ohne dies tun zu müssen. Aber Ligeti war im Grunde ein Kosmopolit im besten Sinne des Wortes.

ich stimme mit Ihnen in allem. der Rest ist unmöglich zu entschieden, da wir Ligetis Gedanken nicht lesen können.

i'm totally agree with you....

Yes Sir👏👏👏👏😂👏

:DDD

It is beautiful

XD

lol

lol

Krokussify studying music

@@lotharlamurtra7924 an alien with forbidden knowledge composed this

@@lukasi.v4269 Ligeti isn't Stockhausen (who was from α Canis Majoris). Ligeti was just a human who knew one or two things about polyphony and harmony,

meth

It requires us all to create a fresh revision of the definition of "Human" (all great art has this side-effect)

Look up gravitational waves.

With Carl Orff's Carmina Burana just before

Nietzsche's Heir Lovecraft was a xenophobe with a crippling fear (or allergy) of seafood.

Kyle Whitehead I was just stating a fact. You can look it up yourself.

@@melissawickersham9912 STFU bitch

Melissa Wickersham nothing with hating the unknown you evil witch

@@melissawickersham9912 No, you were virtue-signalling.