Someone following the viewers lorry would presume that it was the white lorry at fault, because they wouldn't have seen the blue lorry force it there.

Either that or another driver behind isn't totally paying attention when traffic is forced to slow to deal with this and there is a pileup. Of course when that happens, the lorry driver can sit listening to the radio being grateful that he's already passed the accident and bemoaning the state of drivers on the roads and wishing they were all as good and safe as him.

It was date stamped June 22 - It think we might have missed our moment for reporting it

​@@chris107892 Would the relevant Police Service do so anyway given that the blue lorry is on Irish plates?

​@@ChrisCooper312Class.

From my own experience, company bosses aren't bothered... It's only when the police get in touch, and they do get in touch, that the bosses are motivated to admonish their employees, with a letter of notice and a not entirely glowing letter of reference. I've twice been in collisions from other peoples' dangerous driving, and I have no qualms about reporting vehicles being driven in this manner.

​@@whitesapphire5865 bet the driver could barely speak English, I tend to find if driven like that they're usually foreign and agency.

@@johnbower7452 That would not surprise me in the least bit. Like anything else that's cheap, it's going to be substandard, not fit for purpose and downright lethal!

I had exactly the same thought. Far safer to continue up the exit and rejoin the motorway. Especially as that would have been on a downslope, making it easier to pick up speed for a safe merge, instead of struggling back, from a standing start and uphill.

True, but in all defence, most of the times you just have some idiot in front that is doing weird maneuvers for no reason. It's not that often that people actually slow down or brake for a good reason unfortunately.

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a person pull over for emergency services, and the person behind them thinks it's for them.

I'm constantly amazed how oblivious so many drivers are to flashing blue lights and sirens - either oblivious or they just don't care. I'm not sure which is worse.

I"m loving it. Especially if they have to back up all the way, cause plenty of damage to their own car by hitting obstacles that are unmovable and are unlikely to be damaged...... Yes, those kinds of situations i love. Obviously not when it is an emergency vehicle coming from the other side who has to now wait for this dipstick to backup. BUT, all other cases, yes sir, i am loving it. I got the time anyway. And it is always a wonderful sight to see, their face and how they struggle to get back in line to give room for the oncoming traffic or what ever is happening at the moment. Just yesterday i was in Antwerpen. In a small boxtruck. There was a truck-trailer backing into a space, but it didnt fit. He was trying for quite some time and had us all stopped. And then you see the Belgians go over the cycle lanes, over the footpaths, everywhere they can go, just to get out of there. Me? I just step out and smoke a cig. Who cares?

​@@Asto508 Or reasons they see that you do not. Does that make their caution no “good” reason?

As a rule, I prefer to have any kind of bad driver in front of me than behind me.

Welcome to the club! I too got my license in my forties. Now I'm a professional driver and enjoying it very much.

I dunno, you need to make sure they know it's a danger blast rather than a friendly toot

@shm5547 in this case the contributer posted their own comment that it was an older clip and in hindsight it was excessive.

I do this, pressing on the horn too long, it's something I need to work on. Sometimes though, when you're being run off the road by someone with terrible planning or observations, you feel like you just can't help it. Still, must try harder.

​@@shm5547halfway between the actual horn blast and a toot would suffice...

@@harrilittle if i drove, the longer your honking your horn at me the longer im gonna wait till you stop before driving off lol.

A motorcycle also seems to be really good to teach it's rider the mindset of "I may have the right of way and be right but what does that matter when I'm under the hood of a car?"

@@chunkyrabbit1032 That is a _really_ interesting difference between two-wheelers... People on bicycles often ride like nobody on the road can hurt them, people on motorcycles usually assume that every other road user is a professional assassin hired to take them out. I have yet to understand why that is - because both are similarily vulnarable.

@@QemeH my assumption as to why that would be is that a motorcycle goes much faster than cyclists

@@QemeH If you understand that every other road user is a professional assassin you stop pedalling your bicycle to get around.

@@ribbonsofnight Interesting. That would also explain why cyclists are usually the most vocal advocates at urban design meetings - you either get scared out of cycling or get angry about design that is killing you. Makes sense, actually... But it does not explain why motorcyclists do NOT get scared out of it, but rather it makes them just cautious.

It was Warrington, at the junction where there is a college and retail park. The junction is well marked out, so couldn't have mistaken it. If wrong lane used, they could have carried on and there is a roundabout a minute away....

That is what I have always done. Quite a few times I have found myself in the wrong lane in new areas (before Sat Nav) and rather than wait and force across I would either continue and turn round if traffic was about. I would rather add on 5 minutes to my journey than potentially adding 90 minutes while waiting to be towed somewhere

That’s not everybody’s mindset though

It's an alien concept to those people to just proceed and turn around at the next occasion. You may lose a few seconds but save yourself the stress. Doesn't go into their heads.

For balance and context, I know for some people going an unknown way or deviating away from where the sign says can increase stress and anxiety more than waiting to turn the correct way - even if doing that is stressful and increases anxiety but not as much as the alternative. The anxiety I think is going to get worse for people before it gets better especially with things that have been happening recently in the world and not helped by other drivers using the reprimand horn, not merging in turn properly and generally being unaccommodating towards others that may be unfamiliar to an area and make small mistakes that can be easily rectified If we can all do a little to help on the roads then the overall effect is massive on everyone. I had one journey recently where everyone was leaving gaps, letting people across the road and out junction, a real feel good drive and you could feel the positive energy coming from everyone. Then there are those journeys where everyone is in a rush, tailgating leaving no gaps and you can feel the negativity and tension everywhere to the point you just want to go home, lock the door and wait for another day. If you are still reading this far apologies for the ramble but sometimes it is needed and I hope everyone understands it isn’t a grumble towards them personally but general observations 👍 Take care all Edited to correct bad autocorrect

I think had I been the camera driver, once I saw the mess forming, I would have been looking to move a lane over and getting off the throttle. if there was a need to stop, I could stop after the crash.

It's a roundabout at the top of the slip road, so continuing up that and back on to the motorway looks like a good option but I did think that the cammer could have made that a little better - assuming there was nothing preventing the lane change. That notwithstanding, the culprit was clearly driving the blue artic.

The guy in the last clip did safely attempt his I'll advised remerge.

It's hard to say without seeing it, but maybe it was just a poor decision to continue when the Aamber showed instead of stopping. The worrying thing is when the car got close to them they didn't even seem to glance at the car, as if they were going through the lights without paying any attention to other traffic.

Not as bad as that but I've had a couple of instances where for whatever reason the car didn't give the power I'd normally expect on an overtake - I'd have aborted though in that situation there was plenty of space. What I see a lot of lately is people speeding up after someone(s) has committed to overtaking them - I don't think it malicious just a lack of attention and complete lacking of awareness of how stupid and dangerous their subsequent action is.

Very good point on the Range Rover stopping for the light changing. They could easily have stopped in the cycle area before the second white line so that’s what they should have done. There is no dispensation for continuing through an advanced stop line traffic light on amber like there is for “normal” traffic lights.

If it happened that often in rush hour then there would surely be many deaths of cyclists there.

Nah, don't think so. There's a good few seconds before the viewer's light goes green and the cyclist still isn't in frame. At best it was amber, but at the speed he was travelling he would have had no trouble stopping. There's no excuse for it. I suspect he stopped at the next one because he was a little woken up by nearly being hit...

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Everytime I approach a set of lights I approach them at a slow pace to give the lights time to change and if they haven't changed by the time I have to stop I leave enough room in front of me to creep forwards when they do change.

I also wonder how it had ended up stopped on the crossing too.

I was in the wrong lane accidentally the other week, I thought it was right lane ahead and right, left for left only, turns out it was the other way and it's the next set of lights that are how I thought. Lights changed and as the first few cars moved I saw the road markings ( side note.. on road markings are F*ing useless when are frequent queues, councils PLEASE put actual signs up on both sides as well because when lorries are there you can't see the ones on the left only...) So anyway, as the first few cars moved I saw the actual markings and that I was in a right only lane, but in the left after the two cars was a lorry who looked heavy as he has started to set off but was crawling away... so I had to do what I had to do, I was well past by the time I moved over and pulling away steady so I didn't cut him up or anything or force him to do anything crazy... I felt a bit guilty at skipping the 1.5 mile queue in that ahead and left lane because I normally moan about such behaviour, I had to imagine the lorry driver was either laughing his ass off at how easy I slipped in, or cursing yet another car wanker.

@@kal9001 Happened to me once a few months ago, I arrive at the lights and there's three lanes, my destination was on the left after the lights and so I chose the left most lane thinking it could go left or ahead (side note: this was in Puerto Rico, we drive on the right) turns out it was a left ONLY lane (there were no markings at all) when the lights change and we start to move off, I managed to move off and fit into a gap between the two cars beside whilst using the horn to attract attention to myself and my manouvre, slightly cutting them up, but they didn't seem too bothered and were more understanding of the situation luckily.

@@ts757arse Uninterested, not disinterested. Those words don't mean the same thing.

And also blocking the sightlines to and from the junction on the left immediately after.

Seems to depend if the driver is wearing a helmet, the ones with no safety gear tend to be the idiots - probably have no insurance either.

@@AmosAnnon " I'm concerned that the A-pillar comment came across as an excuse for not looking properly." I don't think Ashley would excuse any driver for not looking correctly because of an A-pillar blind spot. He has stated before that it's up to the driver to move their position to eliminate blind spots like this. What he is mentioning, though, is how these blind spots can still increase risk because even though drivers SHOULD be moving they often don't, therefore you should take extra care, also.

when I was young and reckless, I could cross a 5 lane junction in between the time the lights turned yellow and they turned red. I've never been able to run quite as fast as a cyclist could ride. if you enter the junction on green, and it turns red before you get across, you're going pretty slow.

@@Pattoe it's pretty easy for a moving cyclist to render the driver's attempts to change angle to look around the A-pillar futile. this is where Ashley's "have they seen me?" exercise comes into play. if you're approaching a car and you've never seen the driver's head, the pauli exclusion principle doesn't care if they did the neck exercises you demand all motorists do at all times or not. they haven't seen you.

@@kenbrown2808 For the junction I'm thinking of Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 6 gives an intergreen time of 5 or 6 seconds (the measurement could go either way). Travelling at the design speed for cyclists of 20kmph from the same document it would take just over 5 seconds to travel from the stop line to clearing the potential collision point.

Green to green traffic light timings are generally based on _pedestrian_ speeds. DfT Traffic Signs Manual: "6.5.2. Intergreen values for an individual junction are calculated based on the site geometry and pedestrian walking speed and will vary from site to site."

Short of paying for extra tuition, it’s worth ‘copping’ yourself a copy of ‘Roadcraft : The police driver/rider’s handbook’, if you haven’t done already. It has plenty of excellent supplementary information for safer/progressive driving - consider them extra tools in your arsenal worthy of consideration.

@@nuttyslack I've got to be careful here as don't want to "advertise" on Ashley's video. However, that's exactly what I recommend in my advanced driving video. Having completed Masters, Roadcraft was something I studied. I totally agree with your recommendation, a lot of useful nuggets of information in there ☺️

@@amyk9813 Huge well done on taking and completing the Masters. I took and passed the initial advanced course last year. However, similar to DVSA test, I felt as though the real learning and refinement came after I had passed. Also, nice fretting. Thanks for getting back.

Seems to be a sadly growing trend with vans especially, the last minute overtaking at any lights

Not only roundabouts, Ashley always advises motorists to drive in a staggered formation. Driving in that manner is lane hogging. You should keep up with the flow of traffic

Agreed. It's not wise to drive next to a lorry unless you can very quickly get out of there as well. To be fair, it is difficult to form a nice staggered formation when there's traffic lights and queueing on the roundabout itself. If you sit and let the slow lorry go in front of you, the angry Audi or BMW driver behind you will start beeping and gesticulating. Notice that the silver car was keeping staggered formation, and left a bit of room for the black car if he needed to come right and escape collision.

@@FlavourlessLife Absolutely spot on that by sensibly holding back to maintain a staggered position, it can really annoy a driver behind who doesn't understand this principle. It's quite satisfying though when the vehicle ahead in the next lane does indeed come across your path, demonstrating to the impatient driver behind the reason for one's apparent "slowness".

I was dead chuffed the other day…saw a car in lane 1 of 3 indicating right and called it that they would eventually being taking the motorway exit at the 9 o’clock position on the roundabout! Just the two lanes out of position then…

That is a terrible roundabout. Only terrible because of how people drive around it. It's at the Redbridge tube station in Illford

That's a good point. I had to demonstrate a single carriageway overtake on the IAM advanced driving test, but not my regular test. If it's not part of the test, then it won't be taught and practised. The other thing new drivers forget, is when they fill their car with mates, the extra weight means it doesn't go round bends as well or accelerate/brake as quickly. I think all new drivers should be required to have a go on a skid pan and experience sudden loss of grip.

yup, my first ever overtake was after i took my test. i only learnt how to properly overtake safely from youtube videos

the a2 is just a nightmare it, everyone on there is very bad at driving and always very angry all the time

There's also an element of bravado about it, be it getting egged on by passengers to "go for it" or showing off to said passengers. There is also a lot of ignorance and arrogance. Ignorance to the capabilities of their car and arrogance that they can do what they like regardless.

@@bmused55true, it’s not until you’ve had your first accident that reality kicks in and you soon realise it CAN happen to you.

I'm quite glad I didn't pass until I was nearly 30. It's easier to avoid the sort of pressure younger drivers feel from their mates or parents to take silly risks or stubbornly holding onto their values.

​@jakerockznoodles, yeah, I just got mine, and I'm 23. I was pressured a lot to get mine when I was younger, but I wasn't comfortable, nor did I feel ready. I'm glad I waited though because I got mine when I didn't have much stress going on in life. Made things a lot easier

There's a lot of truth to that. Luckily my dad was a good driver and told me a lot.

And the scooter rider had L plates

@@frankmitchell3594 Most of them do, but where I live this does not exclude them from delivery jobs, How are they even insured?

​@@manu-tonyo9654you can get insured for a motorcycle/scooter thats 124cc or less with up to 14.7hp with only a CBT, and most companies don't ask for proof of that.

yes that's literally it, plus they wanted to get ahead of the cammer before the lanes merged so he can save 0.4 seconds of journey time

Probably the insurance paperwork from his last crash.

I was almost impressed

Nice one! I hope you have had a good day also 👊

@@ashley_neal thanks!

Not sure if it is distracted driving or confused driving. Slowing the video down and pausing the driver is looking forward but the sun appears to be in there eyesight so I wonder if they overtook the parked cars and didn’t realise they were also on hatched markings then thought the lines were the edge of the road? Still dangerous regardless

I wondered about this, and sun in eyes as others mentioned. Could also be a combo of opportunistically using a gap behind the motorcycle to pull over or get to a driveway, and a disregard for or lack of awareness of the motorcyclist being there.

Wait until you see one reverse up a slip road because they took the Northbound entry instead of the Southbound 🤦‍♂️

@@smilerbob oooh I'll look forward to that 🤣

How would they be expected to know the idiot is about to ignore all his training, and they did slow down otherwise it would have been a major crash.

@@manu-tonyo9654 I’m not blaming the left lorry driver. I’m saying that surely it would be better for all cars on the motorway to drive in a staggered formation.

Would have thought their other vehicle would be a BMW or a wankpanzer to be honest.

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Might just be air buffeting, high sided lorries create a lot of air pressure between and the smaller one will get shoved.

@@CycolacFan interesting thanks!