But a Tesla Model 3 is around the same price, quicker, cheaper to run (like £1000 a year cheaper) and has better tech! Plus you pay less road Tax and BIK tax if that is applicable. So you must love BMW? Next car when u sell this one?

Simon Yapp the model 3 is way more expensive to lease plus I like the look and interior of the bmw more

Simon Yapp the lease rates were not good compared to bmw, for me at least when I asked...?

Mind if I ask you how many miles can it do on battery power alone on a motorway at 70mph and how mpg will it do in hybrid mode thanks

@@simonyapp The Model 3 is also noisy, the central display position is awkward, the rear seat position for passengers is far from ideal and build quality is...inconsistent. Tesla cut too many corners making it.

Anyoldion does it self charge when driving? Many thanks

@@Hazzer20 yes, there is a graphic display which shows how energy is moving between petrol engine, electric motor, battery, and wheels that shows what is happening in real time. But in petrol and htbrid modes most of the energy goes to the wheels rather than the battery, so go on a long run and you will end up with some charge rather than a full one.

Anyoldion forgive me if I sound stupid but if the hybrid battery is depleted. Is the cars max power capped at the engine power I.e 180ish bhp or is the full engine + electric motor together at all times ?

@@mraeece Good question, and I think the answer is that the battery is never fully depleted, so you almost always have the full 290 available to you, but in practice you never use 290 for more than a few seconds, and when your foot is off the gas then the battery is being topped up, ready for the next time you call out for 290. But yes, if the battery is properly flat then you only have 180 bhp. Likewise if you've got no petrol then you've only got 110 bhp from the electric motor.

@@nowiplay2 no, you could leave it in hybrid mode permanently and it would run fine, I think some lazy people do that, but that's not using it the right way. You might as well get a toyota self-charging car which does the same thing, but your mpg will be way less than if you plug it in each night, think about 45 mpg vs my 118 mpg. You need to drive as much on electric as possible, so you need a big charge and a big battery, and a petrol engine can't deliver that at the same time as driving the car, it only gives a trickle, so the overnight charge gives the car a massive head start each morning, and the car will do your first 20-30 miles on electric before switching to hybrid. Hope this helps.

Alex McKenna it fits the bill for buyers who are unsure about going fully electric. Once you’ve had a PHEV your likely to get a fully electric car for your next purchase.

@@markgaudie80 only if that PHEV was owned for that reason. The UK government are introducing tax breaks for company car drivers to encourage them into EV which in turn should increase the supply in the used market. At the moment the cost of used EV which meet the needs of a family are few and far between. Leaf is maybe the best option. The Zoe battery rental seems prohibitive against the value of buying used.

Clive Flint yes but that’s a diesel I think your missing the point here. We are trying to get away from diesel.

I thought we were trying to reduce CO2. Getting worse MPG isn’t achieving that

@@SirHackaL0t. moving away from diesel is less about CO2 and more about NOX and particulates.

@@matthewrichardson666 I get that NOx is important but so is CO2 and CO2 seems to now be an 'issue' any more. Yet the world gets warmer.

unlike Tesla or any other EV focused startups that only makes cars for US or europe BMW makes cars for 95% of the world, in case you haven't notice most of those countries still not EV ready yet, probably not for another 10 years, so BMW and other "legacy manufactures" still have time to develop EVs

@@hellmekun I'm not a Tesla fan but your obviously aware that Tesla have a factory in China , soon to have one in Germany ! Teslas software and hardware is years ahead of it competition, they don't advertise ( yet everyone knows the brand) . There quality is known to be continually improving , simply put they are the brand other car manufacturers want to be.

hellmekun .. Sorry but the tesla brand takes over

Amen

@don storm only the early versions. Tesla owners have a very high satisfaction rate. Autopilot, free updates, no emissions, Supercharging network, safest car ever tested, fast, beats BMW by miles

Yes! I could not stand anything past 2004/5

Callusny This design actually pays homage to the e46 (headlights for example)

It’s an option, plug in hybrid could charge their battery via cable or normal driving. So you could a save more on gas if you are only doing short trips.

Mark Gaudie Founder of Northwest England EV Owners it’s under £40k

BHBeckenbauer bonus!!!

A Z pretty sure 316 se comes with the 8 inch screen

Not all engines get the bigger screen as standard. It depends on the country tho. Here everything that isn't a 330e or m340 get the smaller screen and analog dials as standard

Autobahn in India ? Lol

I just bought one and it gives me only 18 miles 😢

Did u see it in cowley road 🤣🤣🤣😂

William Pearce drives really well in pure electric and goes like stink off the line from a standing start! 👍

@@DavidThomas-bv5nz I can second this, its certainly no slouch!

They already have xdrive systems, they just go through the conventional transmissions. If you want a full ev you may find the upcoming i4 a nice alternative, though beware since it isn’t designed from the ground up to be an ev - sharing the same platform as the non-bespoke 4 series gran coupe - it loses out on interior space and practicalities seen in completely bespoke ev architecture.

I have a Golf GTE and if your on the motorway and in hybrid mode it does do some assistance - for example when braking or slowing down, it cuts the engine and puts charge in the battery. As you start to accelerate back to up speed it uses a bit of the battery to assist before firing up the engine again, all very seamlessly. As for MPG, I can't speak for the BMW, but in my car o the motorway it close to 60mpg. It doesn't sound huge, but add that to round town and short drives I get around 200mpg, it works out to be a very economical car.

@@m.r.a.c.m thanks anton thats v helpful and what capacity petrol engine is your GTE ?

RK SBK it’s a 1.4 petrol.

I've had my 330e for a couple of weeks now. It will accelerate up to 68 MPH on electric only, provided you haven't put your foot to the floor in which case the ICE will kick in. Once over 68 in Standard Hybrid mode, its ICE only although as the other reply surmises, off-throttle it will go into charge mode (severity of which can be managed by manipulation of the throttle, or if you put it in Eco Hybrid it will glide by default rather than charge)). An average day for me, the first 4 miles or so are urban (electric only) then its 30 -40 miles or so motorway / dual carriageway, some of which is quite congested to closer I get to the city, followed by town or city driving until its time to go home (I work in sales, visiting clients). Depending on where I am going, and how long I am parked, I can sometime get the battery charged up at my destination, but more often or not I cant so its the initial overnight charge, and then only what the regenerative breaking can scavenge throughout the day. Fully charged range is currently about 27 miles BUT it has been really cold here (Central Scotland) since I got it so I'm expecting better in warmer weather. I'd say an average day is 100 miles travelled, the car tells me I'm doing about 30-35 miles of those as electric and since I got the car its average MPG is 56. On days when I can get it charged at both end, that come up closer to 80mpg. For comparison, my Merc 220d was getting 53MPG on the same route.

@@KeveeGee awesome reply 👍

Tesla's are trash

Depends on what you're doing, crawling through traffic jams in winter with lights and heater on I only get 18 miles from the battery but on a steady run through the countryside in September I got 34. The computer display is based on your recent driving. Overall I'm doing 75% of my driving on electric and my combined average mpg is 118, which the same as saying 25% of miles on petrol at 30 mpg and 75% on electric at zero mpg. I'm happy with that, and it goes like stink and looks good.

The number depends on the driver habits, AC, weather.... Being a review unit it has probably sern lots of hard driving to test the car, so it will show a lower range because it expects the driver to keep doing it

gokul arjunan it’s got a 2 litre turbocharged engine, so it still needs an exhaust

Yes, she is a bit stiff

The stiffness is nice however because it means it’s actually a review not an actors piece.

The Model 3 is both more expensive and one or two classes below the 3 series. Doesn’t make sense in my opinion.

David Thomas wit till summer and you will see the range increase again

Mark Gaudie Founder of Northwest England EV Owners currently the charge is only 19 miles, considering the reviews all reckon it should deliver 37 miles, that seems to be out of reach on current performance.

U didn't want model 3 tesla!.... Must be similar money

sunsetlights100 wasn’t an option....

David Thomas I'm getting between 38 and 41 km, depending on temperatures. Sometimes the range will indicate 46 km when setting off only to drop by 5 when driving the first km. Battery range indicator is also not linear at all... When I took delivery in September, 45 km real range was not uncommon. I wonder how it will behave in spring.

don’t lie mate

gazz robb yes I feel this is quite low. But I’m pretty positive the battery will be just fine for well over 100k miles and 12 plus years without issue providing it isn’t neglected as used as it should be.

Agreed. Sooooo far behind Tesla

I expect they are not fully convinced about electric cars as the answer, like the rest of us

tubetop123 if anything Tesla’s are sooooo behind BMW, great there electric, the quality and overall interior is poor and the exterior is boring, the Tesla doesn’t do a single thing better than the BMW

@@viperlook4118 that sure explains why the Model 3 sales in 2019 has beaten all models of BMW combined in USA.

tubetop123 yeah In the USA 😂 how about any other country.....

Well, in Spain it costs even more. It starts in 58000€ 😅😢😭

@@DavidGarcia-zv2xr same in Ireland €56000

BMWs were never cheap. Why the fake shock?

MasterOzgun after Brexit, everything will be better! ;)

There are alot of above average people out there.

Exactly

Adaptive cruise control should be standard in all cars. I can imagine that AEB is standard on BMW because legislation forced them. SMH.

No need for fast charging on a PHEV.

disagree. With hybrid I can commute as EV and be able to have a single vehicle that covers my needs. No EV on sale today does that (outside of Tesla Model S or X which are outside my price range).

@@matthewrichardson666 have you considered the base model tesla model 3? its $67k aud where i am, not sure where you reside, but i'll drum up some figures for usa and uk. 38k gbp, 35k usd. when you consider its the same price as a toyota avalon in the usa, and a vw arteon in the uk, and both are not exactly luxury cars, i would consider them middle of the road, ev's are certainly within reach of most folks. 220 miles / 354km range, 0 - 60 mph (100 kph) in 5 secs.

Agreed, but please don't insult the Prius

Agreed, and a Prius shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as an M, unless you simultaneously fart for the Prius

Marinus Antonius it’s hardly a Prius with 288bhp

I wish Tesla fanboys would look at the cars objectively rather than being "omg based elon" all the time.

@@fredfredburger5150 I am looking at the car objectively, and its probably a better car to drive, with nicer interior (the BMW) but if I was paying for it, I would not want to buy a new ICE car now. All I am trying to say is I am annoyed how sycophantic the media is to BMW, MB, VW, etc. They should be saying "this is a half arsed attempt and we know it - you need to do better"

@@reubenmitchell5269 You're not looking objectively. Tesla has some way to go both in terms of car build quality and production/infrastructure before they become a genuinely viable option. I would agree the trend is moving toward electric cars but we're not there yet.

@@fredfredburger5150 Agreed, and I am not necessarily advocating for people to buy a Tesla ( I cannot afford one myself) but any BEV. I'm trying to say, the media should not be praising the car manufacturers for making a lame attempt to reduce CO2 emissions and mostly only because they are forced to. Look at the waiting lists for the Hyundai and Kia BEVs in the UK, people want to buy them but Hyundai and Kia dont want to sell them, because they cant get the batteries.

Yes well said

Er electric cars were around before ICE, even older tech and it still has the 100 year plus problem of range anxiety

@@davidviner4932 No toxic fossil burning has been disingenuous suppressing protecting there global market from 1860 when they own every government on earth 🌎 sad as we all face anthropogenic extinction☠⛽☠. I been interested in electric cars and never had range axietety as I know exactly how far it goes. But we need to build green infrastructure ban sale of toxic fossil lable whith a government health warning ⚠️ fossil number 1 killer on Earth and responsible for most war. Toxic makes lots of cash 💸 money buys P.R and lot of F.UD . future must go green renewable energy made at home and linked to smart grids electric cars used as energy bioderctional storage. Burning toxic going to lead us all to more anthropogenic extinction emergency 🤡☠⛽☠ have a think why all governments in debt 🤔 to toxic a big con.

Realy....I'd suggest Vicky Parrot is one of the most natural presenters on the tube.

Paulthorpe agreed!

Depends on you as a driver.

Tesla is unique but the built quality. Falling apart at the showroom bits fiddly and I have seen these new on road and the headlamps are already mist/foggy inside. One had a line from the rear lights gone. BMW has good built quality I think of Tesla 3 were to match a BMW for quality the price would be insane.

@Lukas Sadly I've noticed the people on this topic don't appear to live in the real world, I easily drive 250 miles in a day and drive a BMW diesel, for me the hybrid option could be better but I will have to evaluate them. Electric simply isn't an option as I would need to buy a petrol generator and mount it in the boot to charge the battery to keep the range, hardly practical is it

I think Bmw reached a dead end on their design... and Zooming the front grill was a terrible mistake and it's not innovative at all.