LYDIA BENNET: What did Meryton want to happen to her? Jane Austen PRIDE AND PREJUDICE novel analysis

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In Jane Austen’s wonderfully sharp novel Pride and Prejudice (1813), what did the gossips of Meryton think should have happened to Lydia Bennet after running off with Mr Wickham? This might shock some people who believe that there is nothing indecorous in Jane Austen’s novels…
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@mjrose9329 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dr. Cox -- I was re-reading Mansfield Park when something perhaps discordant (?) caught my attention. Fanny Price refused to give guidance to Henry Crawford's behavior when he requested it from her, but Fanny gave guidance to her sister Susan's behavior when she thought it would be an advantage to Susan. Fanny also seemed happy with Edmund's guidance towards herself growing up, and thought well of him for giving Tom Bertram guidance when he is recovering / in his sickbed. I think she must admire the practice in general, despite what she told Henry. I don't think Fanny is the sort of character who would just say something convenient to get someone to leave her be, even if that someone is as bothersome as Henry. What makes instructing Henry so different?

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@tedmccarthy4761 2 жыл бұрын

@@mjrose9329 I think that Fanny knows that he is only flirting and is being insincere. She is refusing to be drawn into an intimate and inappropriate conversation with someone whom (or is it "who"?) she cannot bluntly tell to "Buzz off, buster." She does not like or respect Mr. Crawford; she clearly sees his real character. Susan, Edmund, and Tom are beloved family members and it is her right and her duty to help them with her wisdom. Mr. Crawford is a morally corrupt stranger (and a very real and powerful threat to her happiness) and has no such right. She is fighting to remain unmarried to him while not completely alienating her domineering relatives upon whom she and her brothers and sisters are dependent. I think.

@milourose2973 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dr. Cox ,thank you for your very enjoyable videos. I wonder if you could do one on why Mr Walter Elliot sets his sights on Anne Elliot and not Elizabeth. Elizabeth would seem the obvious choice being her father's favourite and gullible. Are there any clues in the novel that could answer this question?

@meredithkoontz119 Жыл бұрын

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@c.w.8200 2 жыл бұрын

From my modern perspective I think I'd be more inclined to gossip about the lack of judgement of the Bennet parents. It always seemed such a negligent decision to me to let a teenage girl go to Brighton with the Fosters who are neither relatives nor close family friends. What did they expect would happen?

@jmarie9997 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there were some smug gossips about the Bennet's failures as parents.

@msbroomstick1 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, across history to this day 15 yo are extremely dumb. I know I was

@ladycharlotte8693 Жыл бұрын

I agree

@marijeangalloway1560 Жыл бұрын

Austen certainly blames them: she clearly faults Mrs. Bennet for flagrantly encouraging Lydia's mad obsession with men in uniform, and Mr. Bennet for not checking these excesses, and for basically abdicating his responsibility as the head of the family purely for his own selfish convenience, because he just doesn't want the hassle of crossing the will of his wife and daughters, even for their safety and well-being. Elizabeth actually pleads with him, to no avail against the wailing of her mother and sister, to prevent Lydia from going to Brighton---a town with a pretty racy reputation at the time thanks to the Prince Regent and his set, which Austen's readers would have recognized. I imagine it was the last place a respectable young lady without proper supervision should have been seen!

@lacyflying6730 Жыл бұрын

@@marijeangalloway1560 Agreed. Austen even has Mr. Bennett blaming himself. When he returns from searching for Lydia and Wickham in London and Lizzy sympathetically speaks of how much suffering he had endured, he says, "Say nothing of that. It is my own fault, and I ought to feel it."

@tricyclebell 2 жыл бұрын

Light and bright as it is, Pride and Prejudice conveys the precarious situation that women of that class and era where in so well.

@janebaker966 Жыл бұрын

Nothing's changed really.

@sarahmwalsh 2 жыл бұрын

I had never thought about the fact that Lady Catherine didn't know how Lydia and Wickham's marriage had been "patched up" - you made such a good point about how she's completely in the dark about Darcy's involvement in it. What's even funnier is that she's forbidding them from getting engaged without knowing he already has proposed unsuccessfully!

@janedoll3237 2 жыл бұрын

She probably only heard about it from Mr. Collins and only knew as much as he did. He’s not the type to be discreet. Plus it made him relieved that Elizabeth refused him.

@harringt100 2 жыл бұрын

@@janedoll3237 How would that make him "relieved that Elizabeth refused him?"

@janedoll3237 2 жыл бұрын

@@harringt100 “They agree with me in apprehending that this false step in one daughter will be injurious to the fortunes of all the others; for who, as Lady Catherine herself condescendingly says, will connect themselves with such a family? And this consideration leads me moreover to reflect, with augmented satisfaction, on a certain event of last November; for had it been otherwise, I must have been involved in all your sorrow and disgrace.” Chapter 48

@angelwhispers2060 2 жыл бұрын

@@janedoll3237 correct the November event is Elizabeth refusing Mr collins. Instead he is only in the situation of being the cousin of this Infamous woman who has done this terrible thing. Instead of her brother by marriage, if Elizabeth had accepted him. If Elizabeth had married Mr Collins it would have been Mr Collins's responsibility to leave his parish and go after Lydia and try to help Mr Bennett recover her in order to avoid Scandal himself for not even trying. But only being a cousin he would not have the same responsibility.

@harringt100 2 жыл бұрын

@@janedoll3237 Ah, I got it. It _has_ been a minute since I read P&P.

@jrpipik 2 жыл бұрын

Another aspect of the gossips of Meryton is that of class. The Bennets are the gentry of the area. People are only too happy to hear about the travails and tragedies of the upper classes. "Those Longbourne girls thought they were little princesses, romping around the town, catching every young man's eye, buying up all the hats. They're not so much." Even today we spiteful common folk love to hear about the trials (sometimes literal trials) of movie stars and pop idols, the closest we Yanks have to a nobility. It's sad but almost universal.

@gbentley8176 5 ай бұрын

200 years ago we were no different than today in our dealings with folk. That is the beauty of Austen's scholarship. Go back further to Shakespeare; same applies. Plato and the Greek texts all have the same nuances.

@pameladwyer2244 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting to know what “Coming upon the town” actually meant! And the “good-natured wishes” certainly sounds rather tongue-in-cheek!

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, _very_ tongue-in-cheek!

@g.moeller308 2 жыл бұрын

I assumed that the most likely outcome for Lydia was prostitution, but was always curious about the phrase "come upon the town." Thanks for the explanation.

@Cat_Woods 2 жыл бұрын

Although I had caught before in Austen the fates of women who did not conform to the rules ("dying in a poorhouse," "sinking into sin") and had gathered it had to do with being forced into prostitution, I had no idea this phrase ("coming upon the town") was a fairly explicit reference to the same thing. The layer of horror in Austen -- not due to her going for that, but due to how women and "lower" people were treated as a matter of course -- is omnipresent. I'm glad she at least called out the spite of it. I don't know what else she could have done. It seems to me she was partly warning young women of what the landscape really looked like for them.

@runawaypony429 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought it meant that they would have preferred her come back to town unmarried, because it would be more fun to gossip about. Loved finding out about what this phrase actually meant

@carlbook2051 Жыл бұрын

@@Cat_Woods No, I don't think anyone at that time was under any illusions about women going outside social norms. Austen was just pointing out the hypocrisy in society. The gossips pretended to be saddened by Lydia's misadventure, but were actually delighted in discussing it. And of course were disappointed by the somewhat happy resolution.

@mckayleepugmire9947 2 жыл бұрын

Goes to show how lucky Lydia was while still getting in a terrible situation. She may be married to Wickham, but at least she's still part of society and has access to all it's benefits.

@janebaker966 Жыл бұрын

Exactly,that's the point. And to be honest they seem made for each other!

@eastlynburkholder3559 Жыл бұрын

@@janebaker966 i think she was just a silly girl who read too many novels about love snd romance and was not hard headed and rational enough. Her relatives should have been hard headed and rational for her.

@natashadavies9569 Жыл бұрын

@@eastlynburkholder3559she could have ruined the futures of not only herself but of her sisters too: each of them at this point have no future outside poverty without making a good marriage. Lydia continues to be unabashed and self satisfied after her saving. She is incredibly selfish. I do agree though that she is terribly young and suffers from some pretty poor and neglectful parenting.

@amandasitchin Жыл бұрын

@@eastlynburkholder3559No, that was Catherine Morland. Lydia Bennet has probably never read a single book willingly, disregarding it as an activity more suited for her sister Mary

@elineprince1323 9 ай бұрын

Lydia was like her mother, stupid, greedy to the bones, selfish enough to throw everyone under the bus for her own interest

@katehurstfamilyhistory 2 жыл бұрын

When you think about it, you can almost imagine the gossips of the village quickly moving on from Lydia to covertly criticising the Bennet family as a whole. When Lizzy expresses concern about Lydia being allowed to go to Brighton in Chapter 42, Mr. Bennet (sort of naively) remarks that "Wherever you and Jane are known, you must be respected and valued; and you will not appear to less advantage for having a couple of -- or I may say, three -- very silly sisters", and I like to imagine that he is right in the sense that the people of Meryton would continue to treat Jane and Lizzy with respect, but I can also picture the gossips moving on from "Did you hear this about Lydia Bennet?" to "Well, are you really surprised? My nephew's a stable hand at Netherfield and he told me Mary Bennet showed herself up at Mr. Bingley's ball by playing the piano before she was invited to - and her singing was dreadful!" to "I heard that clergyman cousin of theirs made some ridiculous, boring speech immediately afterwards, you know that one who married the eldest Miss Lucas?" and "Why didn't Mr. Bennet stop them? He's the head of the family" to "You know him, he never disciplines those girls; he just laughs at the stupid things they do!" and "It makes you wonder just how close Lydia was to those militia, doesn't it?" They'd have something to talk about for weeks there, ripping the whole family to shreds in the process . . .

@kirstena4001 2 жыл бұрын

Jane Austen was remarkably open about the types of "scandalous" behavior that happened in her level of society. People think of her as so "proper" and of course she was, but there is plenty of adultery, fornication and illegitimacy in her books. Then as now, appearance was all.

@kirstena4001 2 жыл бұрын

@@londongael414 😅

@tedmccarthy4761 2 жыл бұрын

Mrs. Jennings in "S & S", usually generous and warm-hearted, callously says of marriage to Colonel Brandon: "Two thousand a year without debt or drawback --- except the little love-child, indeed; aye, I had forgot her, but she may be 'prenticed out at a small cost."

@h-di4qd 2 жыл бұрын

@@tedmccarthy4761 I totally missed that

@janebaker966 Жыл бұрын

There is a lot more sex in those 19th C novels than most people realise,mainly as theyve not read them. Even Dickens! I find Trollope engagingly racy and I like him more because he is pretty kind to ugly old spinsters unlike Dickens and Thackeray. Trollope sort of recognises that old spinsters have got a bit of life in em and he quite likes em. But to return to my point they used long winded sentences, they used what I'd term code words and phrases so most people knew what they were saying but if you didn't know it wouldn't harm you. Like how kids laugh at Carry On films before they understand the double entendres because Kenneth Williams,Hattie Jacques,Sid James et al are inherently funny in Carry On mode

@dieterdelange9488 Жыл бұрын

@@h-di4qd One or two paragraphs of "Sense and Sensibility" had to be revised for the second edition because of the reference to "natural daughter".

@freedpeeb 2 жыл бұрын

I think we tend to forget, when reading such escapist novels, or watching the movies made of these novels, about the reason it was so important for young ladies not to stray outside the socially accepted lines. Disgrace meant a life of misery, or even death, and not marrying meant a life of degradation and poverty. Life was very unkind to most women in Jane Austin's day! Thank you for an enjoyable listen!

@debshaw680 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly it often still does even when the person has done nothing actually wrong.

@vorkosigrrl6047 2 жыл бұрын

This is why I have little respect for so called historical fiction that really is just modern sensibilities in costume. In a nutshell, Bridgerton.

@tedmccarthy4761 2 жыл бұрын

@@vorkosigrrl6047 I noticed that the "good" doctors in those shows weirdly refuse to use the standard medical treatments of their day (none of them use leeches or cupping or bleeding, for example), and yet still rise to the top of their profession.

@user-tm4my4jb6d 2 жыл бұрын

Not for me, that was always the interesting part. JA was a savage. Read the other books. The Bennet girl off easy.

@MEA5755 2 жыл бұрын

@@vorkosigrrl6047 The Bridgerton novels had a lot more focus on the acceptable mores of the Regency period and those mores formed importantance to the plots in the novels. The Bridgerton Netflix series has changed many of these, which I think detracts from the series' plots. There seems to be a significant cancel culture in current times to try to cast shame and negativity on the mores of previous times, rather than understand them, even though we might not agree with them now.

@JamesStJake 2 жыл бұрын

As a french speaker, I had no recollection of such a harsh comment. I think the subtility of the real meaning of « coming upon the town » was lost in translation in the french versions, I’ve checked several and it was either edited out or translated by « coming back to her father’s home ». It’s a shame, because I like this glimpse into the dark and vicious nature of people who present themselves as respectable.

@s.o.3753 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think the English meaning is also lost on most modern-day readers. I certainly had no recollection of a reference to prostitution either. Very interesting to know about the French translation too!

@hakirby 2 жыл бұрын

what would the eary 19thc french equivalent be?

@JamesStJake 2 жыл бұрын

@@hakirby It would be quite difficult to know exactly what expression would be in use at that time, among that socio-economic class, and in the countryside. If I were to try and translate it, I would probably have the ladies say that Lydia should have joined a « maison », which means « house » but is also a reference to a « maison close », a brothel, as they had been legalized few years prior in Paris and were already multiplying. It could also been interpreted as meaning the household of a wealthy family (implying working as a servant).

@javierwolfle3593 2 жыл бұрын

In any language, it would take a really sharp translator to not miss out that expression.

@hakirby Жыл бұрын

@@javierwolfle3593 it reminds me about that translation of ancient texts meme and how we just don't understand the oldest written joke, because it references a way of life that no longer exists.

@hjpngmw 2 жыл бұрын

When I read "P&P," I knew exactly what the gossips were saying and meant as I live in South Georgia, USA, where "running off to get married" is still treated as a great scandal and sin by the old biddies. It seems to me that little has changed since Austen's day. The little old ladies still relish in discussing the shameful behaviour of young girls and are still privately disappointed if the girls do, indeed, actually marry the men with whom they've eloped (or if they marry later to men with enough sense to ignore the past). At the same time, girls who return from their adventures without husbands are often gossiped about so much that they, themselves, choose to go on long trips or enroll in distant schools just to escape the censure. The difference being, of course, that banishment is not permanent these days nor do most parents completely abandon their daughters so that they're forced into prostitution. Thank goodness for progress!

@debbiericker8223 2 жыл бұрын

We need a psychologist to analyze Mr. Bennett. His joke about making sport for their neighbors even though the rest of the family has been mortified by (and socially damaged by) Lydia is yet ANOTHER time that he showed a complete lack of empathy for the family he is supposed to love.

@EmoBearRights 2 жыл бұрын

I sometimes think he uses it a defense mechanism. What he says to Lizzy about Lydia when things aren't going well shows he knows he effed up.

@v2807 2 жыл бұрын

I think it was just an observation that the neighbors gossip. He wasn’t condoning that they gossip.

@alidabaxter5849 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Bennett has always fascinated me. He is married to a stupid woman whom he clearly despises - perhaps he was attracted to her when she was young and pretty and realised his disastrous mistake too late. He is lazy, he'd rather sit reading in his book room than do anything or make any decision. He clearly loves his two eldest daughters but he does nothing to check his wife's behaviour or that of the three youngest daughters. It's an awful picture of someone who made a bad marriage himself and now simply withdraws.

@rmarkread3750 2 жыл бұрын

It has always seemed to me that Wickham's posting at Newcastle is a sort of banishment. One far more distant than any farm and far more fraught with possibilities for Lydia's ultimate misery. This is not Jane Austen being spiteful or moralistic. She is being clear-eyed about the chances for happiness for Lydia and Wickham's marriage.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

That's a great point. And Mrs Bennet seems to have thought so too - the text in relation to her even uses the word "banish": "And their mother had the satisfaction of knowing that she would be able to show her married daughter in the neighbourhood before she was banished to the North" (ch.50).

@nancybastian817 2 жыл бұрын

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@davidjones332 2 жыл бұрын

@@londongael414 In the last chapter that's exactly what Jane Austen says: Lydia is always scrounging money from Lizzy, she and Wickham are always moving from place to place trying to save money, and outstaying their welcome with the Bingleys, and Wickham's affection for Lydia "soon sank into indifference". He's off carousing in London or Bath (subsidized by Darcy for Elizabeth's sake) while Lydia visits Pemberley, so she is trapped in a loveless marriage with a wastrel -everything the Meryton gossips could desire, had they only known it!

@sircharlesmormont9300 2 жыл бұрын

@@londongael414 I love the phrase you use here, saying that Lydia "resists misery." I always interpreted Lydia's unabashed attitude in the wake of the scandal as evidence not of mere naivete, but an indomitable spirit - an outright refusal to be ground down even a little bit or to even acknowledge the situation's gravity (much to Lizzy's irritation). Austen could not have known that Napoleon would escape and then there would be the hundred days and the epic battle at Waterloo, but, with the benefit of hindsight, I imagine Lydia following the drum to the continent with her dashing officer husband, dancing at Lady Richmond's famous ball (where, indeed, other infamous parties, like Caro Lamb, would be in attendance), wrangling what money and influence she could out of her better-placed sisters, showing off Wickham's war medals, naming her children after their rich aunts and uncles (godparents, certainly), and generally doing a bit of all right for herself on the fringes of society. I always loved the fact that Austen refused to condemn Lydia to a terrible fate and, instead, let her be more or less ok. I actually thought we saw glimpses of her matrimonial future in the marriage of her own parents, whose early affection, born of Mrs. Bennet's reputed beauty, had long sunk into seeming indifference. It would be a tolerable enough existence, surely, and I am glad that Lydia escaped any more serious consequence. She was, after all, only a teenager.

@sircharlesmormont9300 2 жыл бұрын

@@londongael414 Oh, Becky Sharpe! I love her. I sort of wish Becky and Lydia and Wickham could meet on the continent and get into scrapes. I guess Rawdon can come, too. I know that Austen's ending for the Wickhams was less spectacular than that - just scraping by on family charity, whatever spark there was long extinguished - but she didn't know Waterloo was coming!

@vorkosigrrl6047 2 жыл бұрын

I had no idea what “coming upon the “town” meant. I assumed it meant returning home as a single girl, no husband, in shame, and that she would then be shunned from polite society. Did it never happen that girls who had “misadventures” were taken back in by their families? Thanks for the Illuminating video.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

It's my pleasure, Vorkosigrrl. I'm sure that it _did_ happen, but it must not _be seen_ to have happened. It mustn't get out, in other words. Mary Crawford in _Mansfield Park_ for example is more concerned about keeping the rumour of Mrs Rushworth and Henry Crawford secret than anything else: "Say not a word of it; hear nothing, surmise nothing, whisper nothing till I write again. I am sure it will be all hushed up", she writes to Fanny Price (ch.46). Lydia is taken back in by her family - once she is Mrs Wickham, at least. Mr Bennet claims "Into _one_ house in this neighbourhood they shall never have admittance. I will not encourage the impudence of either, by receiving them at Longbourn. A long dispute [with Mrs Bennet] followed this declaration; but Mr. Bennet was firm" (ch.50). Not that firm! Jane and Elizabeth persuade him out of it: "His daughter’s request, for such it might be considered, of being admitted into her family again ... received at first an absolute negative. But Jane and Elizabeth, who agreed in wishing, for the sake of their sister’s feelings and consequence, that she should be noticed on her marriage by her parents, urged him so earnestly yet so rationally and so mildly, to receive her and her husband at Longbourn, as soon as they were married, that he was prevailed on to think as they thought, and act as they wished."

@slianyong7550 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrOctaviaCox And yet, once Lydia returns and her display and lack of consciousness of her 'debacle' makes me wonder, did Austin mean for Lydia to really not know she had acted outside of society's rules or was this a case of Lydia behaving in what we now call cognitive dissonance (the way of Mrs. Bennet's portrayal)? Your videos are so enjoyable 😃

@Nicciolai 2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, in the future, Lydia would have happily become one of those spiteful gossips as she had already proven when she was talking about the young heiress who had turned Wickham down.

@cmm5542 2 жыл бұрын

I've read of employers who took their servant girls back after they had 'got into trouble,' but it was always carefully hushed up so no one knew they kept an 'indiscreet' maidservant - not that the girl herself would have wanted anyone to know! But the level of devotion often expressed by such servants to employers who had 'saved them from disgrace' seems to intimate they hadn't expected it. Or there was a sort of double standard: it may have been considered that the right thing for an employer to do was take the girl back, but no one else would hire her if they didn't!

@jediping 2 жыл бұрын

@@cmm5542 Could also be it was the employer or someone they knew that was the cause of the “trouble.” :/ I find it interesting that P&P doesn’t fall heavily on condemning Lydia. Yes she is not bright, yes she was easy prey, but the fault of that is laid at her parents’ feet, even by Lizzie who wishes her father would have worked to counteract their mother’s carelessness about their upbringing, much as she loves her father. Lydia was 15-16 in the novel, IIRC. Hormones running high, the brain still developing, emotions always at max-and then for her mother to indulge it all and her father just to ignore or even mock her instead of making sure she was well-educated and had things to do besides run after the officers. And there’s shade thrown on Wickham too, who nearly managed to get Miss Darcy, as well-educated and accomplished as she was, to elope with him. And even with his character so thoroughly exposed, he thought he could still make a marriage alliance to solve his money problems, all while continuing to live with Lydia. I don’t know if that’s just his desperation because of his debts or what. And this all really shows Darcy’s character to actually help the man he despises, and a girl who is so careless, both of whom society would condemn to worse fates, all without the certainty that Lizzie would ever change her mind about him. He doesn’t even want Lizzie to be told. It’s just really magnificent.

@jogibson5851 2 жыл бұрын

I always imagined Lydia's potential fate of being 'secluded in some distant farmhouse' to allude to her becoming pregnant by Wickham, but as the comparison with Maria Rushworth (nee Bertram) makes clear, it was a likely outcome even without a pregnancy to cover up. As Mary Bennet says, in those days 'a woman's reputation is no less brittle than it is beautiful...!' I do wonder however what would have happened to the young women not of the gentry class who were seduced by Wickham, who would not have a Darcy coming to their rescue to patch things up. Would they also end up 'on the town' or would less strict standards be brought to bear on them?

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Well, yes, indeed. I suppose that Lydia did at least have Mr Gardiner as a support too. And if absolutely necessarily, then Mr Bennet would presumably have been compelled to do something, if only to protect his other daughters' "brittle" reputations. Mary Wollstonecraft had her first daughter, Fanny Imlay, while she was unmarried - although she and the man in question (Gilbert Imlay) did pretend to have been married. Apart from the very rich who (then as now!) could pretty much get away with anything, I think the pressure to be 'respectable' ran very deep through much of society.

@AuntieDawnsKitchen 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought so, too - particularly given how close “secluded” is to “confined.”

@margarethollis827 2 жыл бұрын

That’s always how I read it. That’s what happened when I was a teen - a girl would suddenly go stay with her aunt in the country, or if her folks were rich, to somewhere vague and rural in Europe. A year later she’d be back, oddly changed (of course she was; a year brings a lot of changes at that age no matter what) and oh the gossip would fly. Austen’s phrase so neatly matched those events that it never occurred to me the seclusion was permanent or that she had been banished, as opposed to hiding in seclusion.

@marthaluc1lle 2 жыл бұрын

It is a reference to an out of wedlock pregnancy, you are correct!

@annettehernandez3985 2 жыл бұрын

Well, Fantine in Les Miserables WAS a poor woman who got pregnant out of wedlock. When her lover left her, she was forced to move out of the place she lived in and had to hide the fact that she was an unmarried mother, lying and saying that she was a widow when asked why she had a child. She was even manipulated by the Tenardiers (the family who was taking care of her daughter) into giving them more money when they found out her child was illegitimate. Unlike in the musical, she was NOT fired from her job because of her situation. Though then again, unlike in the musical, neither her coworkers nor her boss ever found out about her even being a mother. Yet even if there was no risk of her losing her job, if word got out, she and her daughter would still become outcasts, which is why she kept it all hidden.

@michaelodonnell824 2 жыл бұрын

Re the "other pens". It's worth noting that later nineteenth century novelists, especially Dickens and the Brontes DID dwell on the guilt and punishment of their less moral characters. Do you think that any other Nineteenth Century writer would have allowed Lucy Steele Ferrars to have succeeded? For me, Austen's moral ambiguity is something that has always attracted me to her writing.

@BlackCanary87 2 жыл бұрын

I think you'd like Anne Bronte, if you've only read Charlotte and Emily

@michaelodonnell824 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackCanary87 The Tennant of Wildfell Hall is a favorite of mine, and as I said above, Anne doesn't hesitate to punish her less than morally perfect characters!

@larusafox 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful reading, really enjoyed it. I missed the “coming on the town” thing, but remember thinking how matter of fact it was in “Mansfield Park”, my favourite Jane Austen novel, that Sir Thomas could not even think of inflicting such an indignity on the neighbourhood as having Maria come back home after her affair. I’m always amazed at how Jane Austen, in novel after novel, uses her brilliant talent to try and make the world a little kinder to women. When I read her novels with my students (I’m a independent private teacher), I try to point out to them that she is a rare example of a true champion of women. Her word is quite literally deed.

@ashbee350 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! I had no idea 'come upon the town' was such a euphemism. It totally changes the meaning of that sentence. I had always thought it meant that the gossips would have been happier if Lydia was there in town so they could insult her behind her back more directly.

@jmarie9997 2 жыл бұрын

And some readers are shocked that Collins (a cleric) proposed such harsh treatment of Lydia. That was the way people thought. It didn't sound like he found it funny, at least.

@Sillyalways 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for explaining this! I love Jane Austen but so much of the subtlety of her writing is lost to modern readers, as most of us are not familiar with how expressions and language was used by then.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

It's my pleasure, Sillyme. I'm glad that knowing a little more of these details helps your appreciation of the marvellous JA!

@v2807 2 жыл бұрын

An annotated version of Pride and Prejudice helps with that.

@lovescatsthing 2 жыл бұрын

I've often wondered with a character like Wickam, whether he might of ended up " pimping" Lydia out later on as a source of money to feed his gambling habit. It was never his intention to marry her in the first place.

@marianonseq472 2 жыл бұрын

I can't quote, but I got the impression that was hinted between the lines.

@nata3467 2 жыл бұрын

I have wondered about that or him actually just abandoning her at some point ,disappearing on the Continent or United States.

@laurendearnley9595 2 жыл бұрын

With Elizabeth Darcy and Jane Bingley as her sisters? I doubt it. It would have been illegal and utterly immoral. He might have been willing to do it but he must have known Darcy and Bingley would never allow their sister in law to be that badly mistreated.

@angelwhispers2060 2 жыл бұрын

Lydia is kind of pimped out anyway even if not physically because her connection to Jane and Elizabeth is exploited for whatever money he can get out of them. The book says something like, with the bingleys they (Wickham and Lydia) frequently stayed so long that even Mr Bingley's Good Humor was overcome and he went so far as to talk of giving them a hint to be gone. Access to the money sent to them from Elizabeth and Jane as well as Elizabeth saying that whenever they removed two new quarters either Jane or herself was sure of being applied to for some little assistance in discharging their bills. He's basically using Lydia as an emotional manipulation device to get money from her sisters and their husbands which without spreading her legs is still a form of prostitution... At least while she was staying with the bingleys she could be sure that Wickham wouldn't be pimping her out from their house because Bingley would have lost his s*** told Darcy and they would have murdered Mr Wickham and buried him somewhere convenient. Essentially the UK equivalent of an honor killing. If she did sleep with other men it was probably only to get rid of Wickham's gambling debts. But the book is very much not clear and leaves it all to conjecture.

@thegreenmanofnorwich 2 жыл бұрын

@@laurendearnley9595 I agree. Bingley might be gentle by nature. Darcy is warm under it all, but quite capable of making life either unpleasant or short, especially should his wife be enraged, as I suspect she would be.

@ElmerBadly 2 жыл бұрын

Two thoughts: I have always seen Jane Austen as a kind of sociologist, and her novels as thought experiments. Given a particular set of circumstances, e.g., one of five sisters with no inheritance, but with a certain social standing, what options would a young lady (young women of her own social class) have, and what forces would be in play? In Pride and Prejudice, the different possibilities are explored in the person of each sister. The second thought has to do with the gossips of Meryton. The Bennets are not extremely wealthy, but they are among a small group of leading families in the area. I think the implication is that the gossips of Meryton are a notch below the Bennets socially, and the joy they take in Lydia's apparent downfall has an element of envy along with satisfaction that people they have had to look up to were now brought down, which raises their own standing, at least in their own eyes.

@glendodds3824 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the gossips were of lower social rank than the Bennets. Indeed, Mr Bennet's annual income of £2,000 would have dwarfed the incomes of almost everyone in Meryton.

@emilylewis5373 Жыл бұрын

We actually see all of your options in pride and prejudice play out. Your options were a rich man (Darcy) who didn't need to marry an inheritance or connections; a rich man who needs your connections (Bingley, who is middle class btw, whose marriage to Jane does a lot in establishing his rep for making the jump to gentry providing he fully buys a house), a gentleman in clergy ( Mr. Collins, who aside from his inheritance, would be seen as a proper choice), and an officer (seen with Wickham and even Colonel Fitzwilliam).

@TheTrwebster 2 жыл бұрын

And Lydia and Wickham didn't get off easy- they WERE basically banished- to a regiment in the north and later, kept moving about in "quest of a cheap situation". He wanted a place at court, she wanted "Any place... of about three or four hundred a year." That kind of lifestyle couldn't have been easy, esp as they kept outspending their income.

@user-ks5cg5cd7m 2 жыл бұрын

I have been surprised that many people do not recognize sarcasm in print. That she was being sarcastic was clear from her tone, but your elaboration on the historical meaning of phrases Austen uses makes the meaning even clearer. Thank you.

@michellerhodes9910 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. That was a very interesting analysis. I had often wondered how that chapter read in the views of the time. The old word 'ruined' applies here. If, indeed, Mr. Darcy had not come to her rescue, Lydia could never have gone back home; she could never have been seen publicly with her sisters. She could never have openly visited her parents and Lydia's apparent lack of understanding of that shocks her family when she does return to them married.

@mch12311969 2 жыл бұрын

Well, the 1811 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue has just been added to my Amazon list, for inclusion in my collection of dictionaries.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

It's really quite eye opening! - And fun in how ingenious some of the phrases are.

@maishaahmed915 2 жыл бұрын

Do you also have the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows?

@mch12311969 2 жыл бұрын

@@maishaahmed915 I do not

@maishaahmed915 2 жыл бұрын

@@mch12311969 It would be a worthy addition! They have a website with a lot of entries. It makes for a fun read!

@AD-hs2bq 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating and well done. Now I am curious what conversations and circumstances Austen had to politely sit through. These days, people walk away from toxicity without apology. In Austen’s time of obligatory hospitality ( I assume this) I imagine she was astonished at cruel opinions. To our benefit, she was able to color her with what she observed.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, A D. Yes, I wonder that too. An awful lot, I imagine. There is something very truthful in the observation by the narrative voice in _Sense and Sensibility_ when confronted with ludicrous, objectionable company saying daft things (in this case Robert Ferrars): "Elinor agreed to it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition" (ch.36). It also makes me consider just how brutal 'polite' society actually was. The circles in which the Bennets move is supposed to be 'polite', the women are supposed to be genteel and elegant, and yet they know all about 'coming upon the town'... ?

@debshaw680 2 жыл бұрын

That depends entirely on your situation and social stratum or position in the family/work environment. Even your age.

@g.moeller308 2 жыл бұрын

Based on Austen's letters, she was not herself above the occasional spiteful speculation.

@pollyparrot9447 2 жыл бұрын

@@g.moeller308 I agree with you. The infamous dead baby joke suggests that she would have been right in the midst of the discussions, though with more wit and subtlety perhaps than the common gossips.

@gisawslonim9716 Жыл бұрын

@@DrOctaviaCox What a brilliant remark by Jane Austen: "Elinor agreed to it all for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition"....and how utterly true of having a small altercation with someone negligible as being not worth bothering about because the person was so far below one's intelligence as not to be in the same world. He would not even understand what you are talking about.

@hollybrooke322 2 жыл бұрын

I really like that Jane Austen seems to be saying without actually saying that she is not going to sink down to those people’s levels.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly - that she sees through the hypocrisy of such 'moralising'.

@emilylewis5373 Жыл бұрын

A lot of Austen is not changing the social standard per say, but rather shifting towards what should be proper for society. She doesn't deem on Charlotte for making a practical marriage, and even shows how a practical marriage can work out, but she also shows the other side of Lizzie who wants a love marriage and how that is a fine choice as well.

@CharpyTheHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love your close reading videos. You always unravel the text in ways that I never could and it's absolutely fascinating! Thank you!!

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

It's absolutely my pleasure. I'm so glad that you enjoy my videos. Thanks for watching.

@thesisypheanjournal1271 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think they were hoping for mere banishment. I read the desire to see Lydia secluded in a distant farmhouse as a wish that she is secluded there to hide the fact that she has born an illegitimate child. Think about how in sense and sensibility Colonel Brandon had to send away his ward to a distant farmhouse for her confinement

@jeanetteflood5959 2 жыл бұрын

Great job as usual, Dr Cox. Upon reflection, I wonder to what extent the gossip was additionally fueled by Lydia's behavior even prior to meeting Wickham. Certainly the old ladies of Meryton had previously noticed how outrageous she could be and had already predicted the dire consequences. Perhaps they would have been slightly more compassionate toward another girl who hadn't made such displays.

@ct4533 2 жыл бұрын

My school's copy of Pride and Prejudice, which they kept on a shelf in my 5th grade class, has footnotes and explained the meaning of the phrase. My 10-year-old self was fascinated that the 'genteel' society talked about that kind of thing and was very proud I understood what an Adult BookTM was talking about.

@TristouMTL 2 жыл бұрын

Aaaah... thank you again for such insight! I've read Pride & Prejudice countless times, and thanks to you, I understand more and more of its lovely subtleties.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome, Tristou. A wonderful book! - so layered and textured - it's writing that keeps on giving.

@sopyleecrypt6899 2 жыл бұрын

Your breakdown of the nature of the Meryton gossips made me think of our modern social media communities. The malice, schadenfreude, judgement, and treatment of the misfortunes of others as entertainment is what we see now on Twitter and Facebook comments’ sections. Interesting that, although the structure of our communities has changed since Austen’s day, our nature is not very different.

@quietlycreativeasmr7751 2 жыл бұрын

I am a fairly new subscriber, and I just have to say I have spent the last few weeks bingeing your videos. I love your content, and my favorite videos are these longer analyses videos of classic novels. You have kept me company on many a car ride! Please keep up the amazing work. I watch every video from beginning to end. I love your insight and the fact that you bring to attention all these little details that many of us would otherwise miss. Thank you for taking the time to do what you do, Dr. Cox!

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome! And thank you so much for watching. I love all the little details too. The beauty of close reading, I think, is that it reveals so much more about what's going on in a text, and how much more complex it is technically, than one might realise from an initial reading.

@quietlycreativeasmr7751 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrOctaviaCox Absolutely agree, and it’s my pleasure to watch!

@robertthomson1587 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent textual analysis, as always. Of course Lydia's banishment to an isolated farmhouse would have been the happiest alternative from the gossips' point of view. They would then be freed from the indignity of having constantly to meet and acknowledge as a married woman one whom they considered 'permanently tainted goods'.

@catrinlewis939 2 жыл бұрын

Re: "Coming upon the town," I figured it was either what you mentioned, or that Lydia would be disowned by her family and forced to go to the workhouse. Though I suppose in that case it would be "coming upon the parish." Either way, this points up the depth of the service Mr. Darcy does for the whole Bennet family in arranging Lydia's marriage with Wickham.

@janebaker966 Жыл бұрын

Bit of a shotgun wedding!

@eastlynburkholder3559 Жыл бұрын

Well he wanted to stay in money and therefore he had to pretend to be a good husband to Lydia .

@darthlaurel 2 жыл бұрын

Lydia is so unpleasant, arrogant, and selfish that it is difficult to not wish that she suffer some consequences for her behavior. But in true Austen style, we see very clearly how the improper behavior of people effects those around them.

@elsterslesehoehle 7 ай бұрын

I think it is made clear that Lydia gets some reality check through the years. She ist living quite away from her family with a man that does not really care about her.

@darthlaurel 7 ай бұрын

@@elsterslesehoehle True but she is largely oblivious to what any of that means. Like her mother.

@elsterslesehoehle 7 ай бұрын

@@darthlaurel That's true. The passages when she's telling Jane to walk behind her are especially hard to read. 🙈

@chriscarson7384 2 жыл бұрын

The book says Wickham "meddled" with many of the tradesmen's daughters of Meryton. I have always assumed that meant having sex with them. IF that is the case, what would happen to these young women of lower social class than Lydia?

@cmm5542 3 ай бұрын

Very late reply, but due to the classism of the time, lower-class women would not be judged as harshly for an affair with a man above them in social standing. Aside from the power imbalance, actually getting someone 'above' you interested was seen as a bit of a triumph, a risky but perhaps worthwhile gamble on getting the higher-class guy to marry you. If he didn't, your parents would probably be annoyed it hadn't paid off (or for religious reasons if they were pious), but it was unlikely to prevent most guys of your own station from marrying you - you'd only slept with the guy for a rich present or social clout so it didn't count! And most lower-class jobs - shopgirl, servant, barmaid - expected 'lower morals' than in ladies. Unless you got pregnant (a financial liability) you wouldn't get fired for fooling around with the clientele! Might boost sales! (Yes, it was all very mercenary.)

@stealthmom5712 2 жыл бұрын

First, thank you for producing these wonderful examples of close reading. I teach high school English. You methodical examination of the meaning and significance of words and phrases is what I emphasize to my 9th graders, with whom I've shared these videos. Second, I have always read the reference to Lydia being hidden away at a farmhouse as a euphemism for an unwanted pregnancy. A girl who became pregnant out of wedlock would be sent away to a rural farmhouse until she delivered her baby, after which time, her child would be absorbed into the farm family or its workers. Depending on the young mother's relationship with her family, she may also remain with the yeomanry if cast off by her lover and her parents. Would this reading be valid?

@muscleandhate 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes 'good news' is good because it is juicy and shocking, so it is good for shadenfruede reasons! Great video

@sofiatgarcia3970 2 жыл бұрын

Jane Austen is my hero and in fact my inspiration to write romance. I would never have become a published novelist but for Ms. Austen and I still study every word she writes to help me become a better writer. And thank you for bringing her works to life for us all.

@PrincessofErised Жыл бұрын

This is what stands out when reading Austin, she allows those that made mistakes when falling in love to have her pen redeem them, if not to a higher level of glorified marriage, at least to a neutral position where the reader can close their chapter and focus on the main characters finding love at last. This resolution affords us the ability to say that not all bad horses get whipped. As she says, keep it light and bright. She forgives the characters as good benevolent creators should and thus teaches us that whipping polls should not replace Maypoles.

@jspohl 2 жыл бұрын

“Let other pens dwell upon guilt and misery…” may be one of my many favourite Jane Austen quotes along with the words from Mansfield Park: “…We have all a better guide in ourselves, if we would attend to it, than any other person can be…” It tells me how much she was aligned with the universe in spirit and as inspired, groundbreaking and wonderful as her work is that’s no surprise. It’s how consciousness is raised with each new generation. 💖✨

@007nadineL 9 ай бұрын

Maybe she was trying to excuse away her own sinning in real life what if she was a mistress in real life and that's why she was so called single

@cmm5542 3 ай бұрын

@@007nadineLWe would know. The circles she moved in were too gossip-based for such a thing to be kept secret. And she certainly never got pregnant, which was next to impossible to avoid back then.

@BookMD 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I have the video version of Pride & Prejudice practically memorized by now (the Colin Firth version!), so I instantly visualize Lady Catherine de Bourgh in high dudgeon saying, "I know it ALL!" It would require some fortitude to stand up to her, knowing that the truth is indeed disgraceful.

@azdajajeanne 10 ай бұрын

I live my life in the belief that Jane Austen would have been very proud of you, indeed. Anyone can nitpick to death what they don't like, so "close reading" what you do like must be the greatest possible compliment bestowed upon [Austen's] hard work! Surely, the best kind of reader for an author to have is the kind who enjoys their novels even after subjecting them to sincere scrutiny. Thanks again for sharing your analyses with us! =)

@littlebrookreader949 Жыл бұрын

The longer and deeper you take us into the world JA presents, the more grateful I am to you and to Jane. This opens up the human heart - our very own hearts - to contemplation, to honest evaluation. Thank you!

@luniasta 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see you analyze what it was Lydia was hoping for and how she managed to avoid being fully aware of the social peril she was in

@87glassrose 2 жыл бұрын

I always figured the “secluded to a farm house” meant that she was probably pregnant and secluded to conceal the pregnancy. I believe she used a similar wording in sense and sensibility.

@carriep7378 2 жыл бұрын

I’d read P&P many times before I realised what coming upon the town meant. It was only when I read Hallie Rubenhold’s book on the Covent Garden ladies that I understood and then the next time I read P&P thought wow those gossips are worse than I’d realised. The Covent Garden ladies definitely gives an insight into what could have happened to Lydia had Mr Darcy not stepped in.

@EyeLean5280 6 ай бұрын

I highly recommend "Being Mr. Wickham," a play by Adrian Lukis (who played Wickham in the 1995 BBC miniseries) and Catherine Curzon, which postulates the long-term outcome of the marriage between Wickham and Lydia. I saw it online during the pandemic and then live at a New York theater about 18 months ago. I enjoyed it thoroughly and think it's quite brilliant (there's a trailer here on KZfaq you can check out). In the play, the marriage is described as neither blissful nor miserable, but... workable. We never see Lydia, but only hear Wickham's side of their story (sound familiar?). From his monologue, we can assume they quarrel often enough, but are yet both agreeably reconciled to their circumstances and live reasonably comfortably together, despite occasional infidelities and having no access to the sort of leisure Jane and Lizzie enjoy in their lives. If you can find a way to stream it, check it out!

@paulaitchison2470 Жыл бұрын

I was born in 1962 in a village in the Yorkshire Dales. Village gossips saw themselves as the defenders of morality, morality, that is, as defined by them. Objectively, spite and envy were often the main motivation behind their moral crusade against a victim, and cruelty was the deserved punishment. It seems that very little changed regarding the power of the village gossips between 18th century rural Hertfordshire and 20th century rural Yorkshire.

@dzonbrodi514 8 ай бұрын

You are quite correct that the implication of "borne" is that the gossips would have been happier with bad news to communicate, but you miss out half the joke, as another meaning of "bear" is carry . Carrying news or bearing news was a common linguistic trope of the time, so it's a witty double meaning.

@nickwilliams7547 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you (again!) Octavia! It amuses me how society then, as now, revelled in the misfortune of others. People have always loved to be scandalised ...... so long it isn't too close to home!

@helenannedawson3694 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely adore this paragraph, because it's such an accurate, concise and witty criticism, not only of her own society, but of people and communities in general. And it's one of the things that makes Austen such a special writer - the communities and people she describes are so timeless - the love of scandal, the neighbourhood gossips etc. We've all encountered people like that who relish in the misfortune of others and regard it as entertainment.

@MrOnionterror 2 жыл бұрын

Your description of the 'spiteful old ladies' reminds me of those who will hear that a woman's pregnant and immediately- especially if she's a first timer- dig up all the worst pregnancy/labour/cot death stories they can think of. They're not interested in the woman's welfare, or giving her any advice, they just want to chew over old gossip.

@janebaker966 Жыл бұрын

Now they all write opinion columns,they spent the 1960s and 1970s advising people to "if it feels good do it" and now they're dissing and getting jailed all the ones who took their advice.

@caiteliza11 2 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth and pretty much everyone else in the Bennett family understood the ramifications of courtship rules and the consequences of breaking them. Did Lydia truly not understand what would happen or do you think she simply did not care? I know its been mentioned repeatedly of her being a silly girl, but I have a hard time believing she was that ignorant of societal rules.

@cmm5542 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's meant to be a severe reflection on the Bennet's parenting here - Lydia has never really had the 'facts of life' properly explained to her, and she's not clever enough to work it out on her own like Jane and Elizabeth or even Mary. Again, their parents may have spent more time with their older children before they got discouraged by the lack of a son, and now Mrs Bennett is trying to relive her own foolish youth through her younger daughters until she can get the greater vicarious pleasure of seeing them married, and Mr Bennett has given up altogether. After Lizzie, he seems to have had no more concern for or interest in the upbringing of his younger daughters - Mary learned her morals from books. As a teacher, I would say a fifteen-year-old is QUITE capable of understanding the consequences of serious decisions, but she usually needs a responsible adult to explain it to her first and answer her honest questions without making fun of her (this goes for boys too, of course). Some people are smart enough to work it out on their own or humble enough to learn from experience, but on the whole I would say a large percentage of people are like Lydia: if you are ignorant of how the world/your society works at fifteen and no one helps you to learn then, you will be just as ignorant and unrealistic at 40.

@ChrisBrengel Жыл бұрын

That was one vicious paragraph! What an indictment of the "spiteful old ladies of Meryton". Very impressive writing.

@hayebina 2 жыл бұрын

It is always such a pleasure to listen to you! You are opening my eyes on so many things that stayed in the dark when I read these novels.Thank you!

@bboo1688 2 жыл бұрын

I've always been curious if there would be any consequences on the Fosters due to Lydia being in their custody during the elopement?

@cassiemontgomery45 2 жыл бұрын

I've thought about this over the years too. Lydia went to Brighton as Mrs Forster's "particular companion ", therefore, Mrs Forster was responsible for her as she would be of anyone in her entourage. I think Lydia's family overlooked the Forster's culpability due to focusing their time and energy on locating Wickham and Lydia and getting the marriage done.

@bboo1688 2 жыл бұрын

@@cassiemontgomery45 I always thought this is why Colonel Forster was willing to pay off Wickhams debts in Brighton ( why else would he pay his debts). But I wonder is there were social/military(work) consequences they has to ensure due to association.

@LifeOfCin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this close reading! I always learn so much and appreciate your analysis.

@gabyv8 2 жыл бұрын

I always learn something new from your videos. Thank you SO much for explaining these texts/paragraphs/sentences for us!

@sarahjardine904 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos and analysis. I learn something each time.

@TheDisasterPuppy 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and analysis, as always!! :)

@nikitakekana5095 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible as always!

@tdh6666 7 ай бұрын

I actually would be pretty frustrated that Lydia got off without punishment and she was blissfully unaware of her behavior, even bragging about it to others. I didn't realize that she would be punished in other ways for the time (social isolation and gossip). I also didn't know and find it super interesting that Jane Austen didn't punish Lydia because she felt the society was too harsh and wanted a lighter novel. That's actually pretty admirable and helps me understand the story more. Great video!

@arielmyers4028 2 жыл бұрын

As always great Video. I love your deep dives

@thomassmith6232 Жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought of it, but Mr. Bennett's words show just how callous his attitude was toward his daughter.

@trishayamada807 Жыл бұрын

Always a delight to listen to you.

@SuperMila1986 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loving your videos! Thank you so much for all the work you do💜 greetings from Helsinki

@glendodds3824 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings from the north of England.

@baerlauchstal Жыл бұрын

Your stuff is always great, but I loved this one especially. Thank you!

@s.o.3753 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating video as always - Thank you Dr. Cox!

@mesamies123 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent feminist analysis of a section of this great novel--especially about Mr. Bennett. BRILLIANT! Thank you!

@Happyheretic2308 2 жыл бұрын

Oh please, not the “feminist” angle. Spare us this.

@caiteliza11 2 жыл бұрын

Can we appreciate the tact of wording for the time period? It's so much easier to outwardly diss someone, but to gossip harshly with hidden polite phrases really does take some skill and mutual understanding.

@claireconolly8355 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for pointing out some things I never knew!

@milourose2973 Жыл бұрын

My interpretation of 'secluded from the world, in some distant farm house' is that it was a practice of hiding from the world while being pregnant with an illegitimate baby.

@daenathedreamy9053 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Great video. I never thought about this before.

@SharkFreak79 2 жыл бұрын

I've read Pride & Prejudice many times, and I learn so much every time I click on a video of yours! Thanks for the great & educational content.

@heathermariehiggins2901 2 жыл бұрын

another great video thank you queen

@buffysummers7887 2 ай бұрын

Just wanted to say thank you for your perspectives & historical analyses! I've had a few of your videos saved in my Watch Later for a while now & finally had some time to enjoy them! Cheers 🩷🩷

@craftyartcorner3656 2 жыл бұрын

I wish for more videos from you on pride and prejudice my most favourite novel by far - thank you for another enjoyable video - cheers from Australia 🥰

@nyckolaus 2 жыл бұрын

Magnificent, Dr. Cox, as always.

@ahelenazampa 6 ай бұрын

I've being in love with your channel. Really, what nice suprise. I'm brazilian and LOVE Jane Austen and wanted to study more about her and I found you. 🖤

@chocsal 6 ай бұрын

Enjoying some of the comments here, on an excellent video. Yes, Lydia got off lightly, it seems, which is in the spirit of this novel and a reflection of the responsibility for her downfall being shared by her parents. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the danger to Lydia (and any children of the marriage) of 'social diseases', given Wickham's past and his return to old habits, as mentioned in the final chapter.

@cg13456 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Great information. Thank you

@edenzamora7571 2 жыл бұрын

Love your insights! You’re my “go-to”Austen expert 🙌🏼 if you ever decide to start a close reads Austen podcast, I would follow IMMEDIATELY🥰

@jennifercockrill6356 2 жыл бұрын

I love your analysis, Dr. Cox.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jennifer!

@mariawrites2941 3 күн бұрын

This was such brilliant analysis. Thank you for posting this video!

@scottshepard2895 10 ай бұрын

Lydia's reputation would of course been cleansed or perhaps erased by Darcy's marriage to Elizabeth, and secondarily, by Bingley's to Jane. That's two status families accepting/bringing in the recently tainted Bennets. Bingley doing so on his own would not have been enough really, because he's of merchant wealth. Although Lydia could use the comfort of that wealth to soothe the wounds. But Darcy is beyond reproach. If Darcy accepts the Bennets then a family scandal can be endured or even re-interpreted. Darcy knows this and Caroline Bingley would grasp it too. Now Darcy owes it to them, but lots of powerful men have failed in what they owed. So a shout out to Mr Darcy, for rescuing Lydia's social position. Ironically, rescuing Wickham's too, which Darcy wouldn't want.

@lisakilmer2667 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice deep dive into a passage! I have always enjoyed Austen's use of irony. It is nice to have elucidation on the phrase "to come on the town". Thank you!

@bethanyperry5337 2 жыл бұрын

Once again, another dimension to a book I thought I knew inside out! Thank you!

@MorganJ 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for very clearly breaking down and explaining what "on the town" meant in its historic context. This has helped me to better understand this chapter!

@cynthiaannfreeston7929 Жыл бұрын

Found your channel today, read about your new opportunity in education today, godspeed Dr. Cox

@curtandoscar 2 жыл бұрын

Your videos win the internet, and win KZfaq. These deep dives are such an extraordinary pleasure for this 30+ year lover of P&P. Thank you so much. What a joy.

@ruthmckittrick6279 9 ай бұрын

These talks are brilliant, so much reading of these novels than I could have ever taken out of it alone.

@tsilsby888 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent job, as usual.

@DrOctaviaCox 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Teri!

@blackwell754 4 ай бұрын

I absolutely love your close reading videos. I’m trying to get my teenage daughter to read Jane Austin and it would be great is you did a series aimed at the younger mob.

@bonniehoke-scedrov4906 9 ай бұрын

So interesting. Thank you so much!

@ayanimea4537 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos. English is my second language and I had so much trouble understanding Pride and Prejudice. Now, I get to learn more about Austen's novel AND about English language.