Drop Zone at OTB Open 2024 |

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Let us know what your thoughts are on this drop zone at Swenson Park at the 2024 OTB Open
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@zarkinfrood
@zarkinfrood 27 күн бұрын
I think a drop zone should be hard, but make-able. The old DDO drop zone was no gimme, was a rare enough make that Wysocki's make was a highlight, but is "safe" enough to give a run. And it is FAR, FAR more interesting and entertaining than 50 layups like we saw with the new dropzone. And yeah, I agree the OTB Open dropzone you're bringing up is way too easy to be properly punishing for an OB play at this level.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
I absolutely LOVED the old DDO drop zone. That Ricky putt was truly electric. We’ll see if Swenson Park makes any changes to that drop before its Champions Cup bid
@BrendenLee-dg
@BrendenLee-dg 26 күн бұрын
I think that the problem lies in the number of players in the event, how many players miss the drive, how difficult the drop zone is and how deep into the night is the tournament going to run if you have so many players laying up? I have been around a number of TDs who will do anything to cut down on time in a tournament that is completely full and is expected to run overtime just by sheer challenge of the course. I don't know if this was the case, I am just throwing this out there. I loved the drop zone at Emporia that Ricky hit, that was incredible. The lay up on the same island hole was boring as hell, but imagine so many players throwing from the old drop zone, that would have eaten up a lot of time. I don't know their time constraints. The OTB Open drop zone was ridiculous, but again, time restraints? I don't know, but I, personally, would have made it much more challenging and still tried to keep it within time restraints, only three players missed the island in the video. I don't know if they expected more or what.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
I’m honestly not sure if time constraints come into play here, but you’re spot on that it can easily become a challenge for a course to take into consideration
@Wiskeiy
@Wiskeiy 27 күн бұрын
Think I agree with you on this one. Moving this drop zone back like in Emporia would work, and could add to the excitement down the stretch but I would maybe prefer to add an additional drop zone near the water and to the left or right of the original teepad. If you miss your tee shot, proceed to this new first drop zone. If you miss the second, proceed to the short drop zone. Maybe that over-complicates the hole, but I like the scoring separation it adds.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
I agree here with your thought process! Thanks for giving your thoughts!
@raveouscarlias4479
@raveouscarlias4479 25 күн бұрын
You're right. For PROFESSIONAL Disc Golfers the drop zones should be much tougher. For us peasants (intermediate players) I'd be okay with that drop zone.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 25 күн бұрын
I think this is the line of thought I’m on right here. I’m an 860/870 disc golfer, but can expect a lot more out of the pro tour players
@bryansans2564
@bryansans2564 25 күн бұрын
perspective for sure. If the wind is up its brutal. If its last round, its brutal, wind or no wind. Drop zones should not punish the player honestly, they are already taking a stroke.
@lowgunn
@lowgunn 25 күн бұрын
I agree. A penalty has already been given. Drop zone should be difficult but achievable.
@garettdissmore7414
@garettdissmore7414 25 күн бұрын
How about this: Get rid of all drop zones, play from where you were last in bounds. apparently there are not that many players on this thread that always get the raw deal. I 100% think drop zones should be makeable. I've lost count of how many times I was OB by INCHES and only FEET from the hole, but now i have to throw a 50 foot drop zone?
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 25 күн бұрын
@garettdissmore7414 On non-island holes, I am not a fan of OB being within a 30ft radius of the basket. I’m okay with foliage and whatnot, but not pure OB. My only caveat is an island hole, which should not be a very common thing. And then at that point, I could be on board with water shots going to Drop Zone, but any shot that passes in bounds around the island being played from the last place in bounds. Obviously lots of nuance we could discuss, but just that same general sentiment.
@Kolossikal
@Kolossikal 26 күн бұрын
DZ's should be half the distance of the hole on par 3's. And the DZ should have imminent danger around the basket.
@ryancockrel6947
@ryancockrel6947 27 күн бұрын
Dont know how this ended up in my feed, but I disagree with you. On any other hole a slightly poor shot will cost you an opportunity to birdie, not guarantee you a bogey.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
I respect the opinion entirely. I think the hole invites risky shots, which I like. Landing on the edge in the water is just a poor shot. Risky attempts to get a birdie. Has played under par overall and as one of the easier holes. Even with 40% OB round 1 and 47% round 2
@bomberboy93_37
@bomberboy93_37 27 күн бұрын
You have a point, however disc golf and golf are two very different sports and treating them the same is not good for the sport. Disc golf is easier and people tend to shoot lower scoring rounds and there are many chances where par 4s get eagle looks and par 5s have eagle tap ins. Having drop zones for 50 ft putts with water behind it is a novelty thay disc golfers like. We like getting birdies and shooting low rounds. If we start changing the sport to be more like golf it wouldnt be as fun. Imagine every course being like noethwood black. I sure as hell wouldnt watch disc golf as much as i do now. I think that once in awhile drop zones like this are good, but if used too often the novelty of saving the hole with a 50ft drop zone will get old.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
I agree with your sentiment that disc golf and golf don’t have to be the same. I have a lot of thoughts about disc golf being too easy (for peak athletes), but those will be for a different time haha. Birdies are very nice to get and make you feel good. I do think I’d enjoy watching a high % of Northwoods type courses, but honestly, to each their own Thanks for the comment!
@jeppex4686
@jeppex4686 26 күн бұрын
I think comparing discgolf to golf is completely irrelevant, discgolf only shares a tiny proportion of what golf have.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
Totally respect the opinion 🤝
@Thebunholio
@Thebunholio 26 күн бұрын
Kindly disagree
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
Hey, to each their own! What are your thoughts on why you disagree? Always love to hear the other side
@Thebunholio
@Thebunholio 26 күн бұрын
@forgesportsmedia well I didn't watch any life coverage except for lead card reruns. I think the drop zone is pretty risky in it's placement with the slope leading to the water behind. I'm not sure how many, if any players went O.B. again. Because of this. If not that many than I suppose you are right on your view. I just feel that the c1 putts are pretty risky with water behind them.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
@Thebunholio For stats: There were only 6 or 7 double bogeys or worse the entire weekend out of about 125 OB strokes on Hole 12 Unsure if all 6-7 double bogeys were drop zone > water putts
@Schaibs_dg
@Schaibs_dg 27 күн бұрын
I played and completely disagree with you.
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
What reasons make you completely disagree?
@Schaibs_dg
@Schaibs_dg 26 күн бұрын
@@forgesportsmediathe distance is 37 feet, you can see circle 1 clearly. Also percentage wise, turned out to be the most strokes swing hole. You’re entitled to your opinion but from someone who played vs someone who didn’t, I disagree
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
@schaibs_dg I understand the thought that playing the course = a better viewpoint. I’ve gotten to play and visit several pro tour courses. It’s helpful, but doesn’t mean the course can’t be improved or that others can’t see flaws from the TV. If the hole played harder than it did, the stroke swing stat would mean more to me. The MPO field played 3 rounds with an average of 40% OB and still finished it averaging about 0.1 strokes under par, which says everything here. Holes with a far lower OB% played harder vs par. Seems off for an island hole. I respect your opinion and love talking about opposing sides, but would love a bit more clarity on what makes it a reasonable drop zone outside of it still having stroke swing (like any island hole should). Was the landing zone already too small? Were there other factors that make the short drop zone reasonable (you saying 37’ is even shorter than I thought it was).
@Schaibs_dg
@Schaibs_dg 26 күн бұрын
@@forgesportsmedia as a player a 37foot par save with a water drop backdrop isn’t something that easy even if the stats says different. Even the hole it’s self on tv looks far shorter than standing on the tee box with the low untrimmed canopy, 25mph gusting head wind. Muse does a wonderful job of making this course demanding and building on it each year. Playing it the last three years I understand why it is a highly rated course amongst the players
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 26 күн бұрын
@@Schaibs_dg this is very helpful context here. The 330’ tee shot from coverage definitely looks daunting. Every Right hand backhand I see looks like a very risky shot. Always understood the common forehand preference. Wind gust totally makes sense and I could see a lot of the chop. The coverage makes the backdrop behind the drop zone look just a bit longer / more forgiving for misses than I would anticipate. Players opting to miss on the safer left side understandably I definitely appreciate the dialogue!
@skunkked
@skunkked 27 күн бұрын
have you considered not making content?
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
Why make no content when could make content and have a society paid in chicken tendies? Simple
@skunkked
@skunkked 27 күн бұрын
if you care so heavily about saving PAR get better and go on tour. a fair chance at 40' for par is the same for all, land it you get 15ft. seems like you talk before experiencing. learn the game
@treyfoshee8695
@treyfoshee8695 27 күн бұрын
Sounds like you don’t understand how scoring separation works. Good shots should be rewarded, bad shots should be punished. Throwing out of bounds and being GIFTED a 40 footer (which is relatively routine for these players) makes the hole have minimal risk. If you don’t like their content, go elsewhere. This analysis was helpful and no one else is doing it like these guys are!
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
@skunkked I bet you LOVE pitch and putt courses 😂
@jerkwagon
@jerkwagon 27 күн бұрын
@@forgesportsmedia if you want to make it as a creator, you might not want to make fun of 50% of the people comment on your video..
@baseballballer25
@baseballballer25 27 күн бұрын
It’s not about “fair” everyone plays the same course he saying a 40 foot put when you go out of bounds is lame for the players and spectators
@forgesportsmedia
@forgesportsmedia 27 күн бұрын
@baseballballer25 My point exactly 🤝 The lack of excitement for Barela and Orum at OTB shows that it’s not abnormal to hit that 40’ putt. The 2021 DDO shot from Ricky shows an amazing atmosphere.
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