@pickelbarrelofficial1256 5 ай бұрын
Managed to find these in a 2E and they are a GODSEND. It is so hard to find running shoes that fit, especially any that are slightly more high performance or that look nice. If I can find another shop in the UK selling them in 2E, I'll be snapping them up in an instant.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Ah good they work for you. Did you try the regular width one (as I have here) and, if so, think were still too narrow for you? Can I ask what your shoe size is? I do wonder if the scaling in the very large sizes (as I take) is a bit off.
@pickelbarrelofficial1256 5 ай бұрын
I didn't get to try the regular ones as the purchase was very much an impulse decision, but I don't think I could go any narrower than the 2E tbh. I have exceptionally wide feet so I don't doubt thay those with slightly more normal proportioned feet might find them too wide, but for me, they are perfect. I'm on the smaller end of size 9, so the 9 on these JUST fit but I would go up to a 9.5 if I was to buy another pair which I almost certainly will. I also had a pair of 880 and 1080s in v12 both of which I had to go 4E extra wide, so its a real relief that the 2E in these fits. Definitely not for everyone but a real breath of fresh air for us hobbits.@@TimGrose
@TheRunningShoeGuru 5 ай бұрын
Agreed, first run in mine yesterday and yes - really wide, not had to pull those laces so close in a shoe for a long time!!
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah all rather curious. Not as if the foam is silly soft and unstable either - well for me at least. Seems a long time ago now since I even picked up an extra narrow NB shoe in the early 90s. The 850 NBX. I had 13 pairs in the end! They largely have given up doing narrow fits these days.
@bev9708 5 ай бұрын
😂😂 I laughed out loud at your little nods to Aubrey and Eddbud!! Those guys do wash their shoes before putting them on air though!!😂 They sure are a good looking shoe imho! Personally I never found the old Fuelcell soft at all, not a fan personally, but was thinking recently I should give them another go now I’ve progressed so much as a runner!! My guess is that these will last longer than the Mach 6 unless Hoka has seriously upped their game this time out!!
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
I need to get some tips on how to clean shoes for sure and I don't even go on a towpath. I think there must be a lot of different FuelCell formulations. TBF it is quite a good "balance" in these Rebels. Yeah Hoka don't tend to last too long for many runners. That said I haven't yet liked one enough to actually "wear out" as it were.
@bev9708 5 ай бұрын
@@TimGrose Yeah you must be right for Fuelcell, seems to vary considerably !! For cleaning, I remove the insole and laces, add a little liquid pure soap (I use liquid Soap de Marseille here in France) to half a bucket of warm water and scrub with a nail brush!
@BenNotley 5 ай бұрын
Loads of mud in the heels there Tim! I bet you went through a whole pack of flash wipes getting those cleaned up! 🤣👍
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Terrible Ben - I had thought these would now be good to join over Martha's or some mud on heels high risk zone. I was "caught" as you saw at start of vid attempting to clean them. Clearly there is a special kind of wipe for more everyday usage that seems to work a whole lot better. Wonder how it is done.
@thewalls7770 5 ай бұрын
I just bought a pair. I LOVE the wide fit. It's exactly what I've been looking for.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Ah good that they are working for you. So presume your feet aren't so wide that need the actual wide version?
@thewalls7770 5 ай бұрын
@@TimGrose Correct. Most shoes taper too much and cramp my toes. Wide versions of most shoes end up being to wide through the midfoot for me. I have a narrow heel, high arch, and a wide forefoot. I struggle to find shoes that fit me.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
@@thewalls7770 yeah i guess it does depend which part of your foot is relatively narrowest. For me I think it is the midfoot so although these Rebel v4 are far too wide for me there "ideally" at least when I pulled in the laces an awful lot, the also roomy toe box is not such an issue as my feet aren't then moving about. That said the wide base of them I feel is just "too much" for me.
@suegrose7698 5 ай бұрын
You said you were going to send them back !!! - you knew they were too wide when you took them out of the box !! ..........arent these the shoes you did not get on with V1 V2 and V3 ..........so why would V4 be any better !!!
@suegrose7698 5 ай бұрын
You are presently on a £4.20 per mile return on those shoes !!
@briantimson1397 5 ай бұрын
Ouch
@suegrose7698 5 ай бұрын
Good job I love him to bits !!! - but honestly Brian - even I could see those shoes were going to be hopeless !! ( I might have to put myself back on unboxing duties !!! ) @@briantimson1397
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
I know but I thought I would see how are they and will definitely use them more. So far this is a 1/10 video so most watched out of my last 10 so that might help get the £4.20 return down. xxx
@fabsterun 5 ай бұрын
😬🫣
@justoutlaw6423 5 ай бұрын
Offering shoe this wide in additional wide(er) size is insane :). As my feet are wide, i think I'm going to try them.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah and if by any chance they are not wide enough, you can try the wide version!
@justoutlaw6423 5 ай бұрын
😂@@TimGrose
@movemorenowjames 5 ай бұрын
Sounds perfect!!! 👌 Wide and low ish drop, light and not too soft !
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Ha ha yeah for you and if not wide enough get the wide one! Be fascinated to see who actually needs the wide one. In a way though here it is the very wide outsole I find odd as managed to manufacture an ok lockdown.
@i.p2088 5 ай бұрын
Mach 6 sounds perfect for you 🎉
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
TBH once have sorted out the lacing it is fairly similar kind of shoe. Both that lower 5-6 mm drop and both relatively light and both OK without being "super" as of course the price point suggests.
@elliotendures 5 ай бұрын
I’ve done one session on the track in these they did fine. I’ve got a solid tempo within today’s run, which will be on the road, and I think that’ll tell me more. The marketing gave me serious cause to pause, but I have a wide foot so had to try.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah agree they are "fine". Just not an ideal form factor for me. I got these mostly as a lightweight option for daily miles. I feel that I need a bit more "help" for my faster days.
@richshelley2922 5 ай бұрын
I’ve got new balance filed alongside hoka, brooks, on, UA, and probably a few others as of no interest to me whatsoever and this video has confirmed that once again, thanks
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I do from time to time feel the need to pick up something from those brands (as here) then perhaps wonder why.
@runningwithstelvio 5 ай бұрын
Hi TIm, it looks very wide, so probably not that agile in the turns. I didn't notice that from the website, thanks for the video.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Certainly come up wide for me. At least they don't weigh much so once have made an actual turn at least far from a brick to get going in. Forgot to say I did some high strides in them at the end of one of my runs so far and did a job as it were.
@SagasuRunning 5 ай бұрын
The EddBud sculpting of the midsole that you want to do is what New balance SHOULD have done to this shoe to make it actually a Rebel...
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I can understand the need to offer shoes for runners with wide feet but why the even wider outsole with a foam that, to me at least, is not at all unstable. That seems to be the normal reason cited for this current trend for ever wider outsoles. As you say a "Rebel" and a sort of stability shoe does not seem a great "fit".
@marylandflyer5670 5 ай бұрын
The problem I have with the V4 is that it gives you zero back while running. The really soft cushion seems to have little bounce at all. I’ve run 50 miles in mine and I don’t really care for them even though they are really light.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I kind of found that. In a way though the price point kind of suggests that. New Balance want you to spend pretty much double for the Elite v4 which at least "looks" similar but clearly is meant to be far more "super". I don't find the cushion that soft although I think these days our perception of soft and firm has moved a lot from what it was even 5 years ago. What I did find, as I mentioned, was a bit of ground feel under my toes. That said having worn them for about 30 miles over the last 3 days my legs don't feel any worse (or better for that matter) than they might be after say similar runs in an Endorphin Speed.
@josephgonzalez_ 5 ай бұрын
That’s me done with the Rebel series. The reasons I liked the v2 and v3 are now gone it seems. Well, maybe apart from the lightness. Leaving Torun and heading back home now. An underwhelming Euro champs for me. I guess a calf injury followed by breaking my hand probably didn’t help
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
TBH if you can get over the wide platform they aren't too bad but do feel a bit something and nothing for me. Light yes but just the wrong shape. I'll use them some more but a shoe that may just start to get relegated. As for Torun decent efforts in the circumstances. I've always found it tough when you are against the very best of the best. Kind of have to decide to throw caution to the wind or just try and time trial to a decent performance. TBH if it is a bit like how I feel in the Vets AC 5Ks these days!!!
@RunMissouri 5 ай бұрын
they run slightly longer than other NB as well. I have a narrow foot. they are are bit wide. Mostly extra upper but I don't have to tie them super tight. Now if you like lots of room in your toes, like it appears Tim does, then I can see where it will be a big problem. Especially with narrow feet as well. For reference I wear 12 US for Rebel v4 and 12.5 for the 1080 v13. Length about the same but Rebel has a looser fitting upper. It's light but feels like daily trainer only to me. Bit softer and more enjoyable than the Novablast 3 for that category.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Part of the problem for me is that I get no half size options so these are a US 14 but a US 13 would definitely be too short. I tend to like my midsole completely locked down but don't mind a slightly roomier toe box but most important thing is the length. I did wear a US 13 for years and in hindsight realised were too small although with older age I also think my feet have effectively lengthened as well.
@hawaiifranke7637 5 ай бұрын
You say nor the Mach6 nor the Rebel v4 nor the Speed v4 is one of your favourites ... but you also have the Novablast 4 so use that one as your daily trainer.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
All got pros and cons. TBH I struggle to really like any "daily trainer" as am happier going faster in race shoes but can't do that every day.
@viCoN24 5 ай бұрын
I found the upper uncomfortable around the ankle and stiff all around. Foam under arch was very stiff and felt intrusive. Why would you increase the width/footprint so much as to match the experience to premium trainers without providing a premium experience? Stiff upper that needs to be tamed by lacing quite hard, wide base with hard foam and stripped back ankle collar. This doesn't make sense to me but I guess I'm just not the target for this shoe. I had Novablast 4 to compare them to and Novablast 4 feel as stable/wide but at a completely different level in terms of comfort. Once I'm done with my trainers, I'll probably move on to Novablast 4. I have Novablast 3 and Rebel 3 - they feel completely different and nice for their own separate use cases. To me Rebel 4 right now feels like a cheaper version of Novablast 4. It's like New Balance tried to match the experience of Novablast while at the same time trying to keep it somewhat similar to Rebel line and failing completely at either of these tasks. For the same price, I'll get plush but decently breathable upper, good ankle hold and very stable base with a foam that has some give. There are other shoes for fast stuff so I don't feel I need that from a daily trainer. Also, I don't understand New Balance sizing or rather the shape of the foot they use as a reference. To me they feel short and wide in standard width when TTS based on their size guide. Their fit is even model-based like in the case of SC Trainer V2 where in my case the toe bumper likes to collapse inward and that makes it effectively even shorter. If I size up to get more length, New Balance shoes get even wider so lacing has to counteract that and I get the feeling that my feet move around which causes ankles to push against the ankle collar. I've had this experience in SC Trainer v1, More v4 and even Rebel 3 but at least Rebel broke down a bit and conformed to my feet. Even if I somehow resolve it, I feel that upper starts to bunch up and then I feel defeated. Sorry for the rant, I've been really hyped about new releases from New Balance but after my experience with Rebel V4 adding on top of their other models, it seems this year goes to their competition. Cheers!
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah can understand the frustration. A shoe great on paper with such low weight but so wide and then they do an actual wide version. I was certainly a bit wary of my ankles in them but maybe just such an odd shoe shape although not sure one I want to get used. Novablast more obvious easy day shoe. I thought that was a bit wide but nothing on these.
@viCoN24 5 ай бұрын
@@TimGrose I really hope they release 4E as that would be the first shoe wider than longer. Thanks for great content, stay injury free and smash some PBs this season. Cheers!
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
@@viCoN24 ha ha on the 4E. Back in the early 90s NB did a shoe sort of like this for its time not only in narrow B but even extra narrow A. I had 13 pairs between the two. Don’t think will be getting another Rebel v4. Narrow shoes seem a thing of the past which is a bit of a problem if you don’t have wide feet.
@JS-Treadmill-Running 5 ай бұрын
Great video 👍
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Thanks - any interest in these ones?
@JS-Treadmill-Running 5 ай бұрын
@@TimGrose I think I will listen to a wise man I know. It is better to pay a higher price and use the shoes a lot (Elite V4) than to buy a pair of shoes you know you will not use very much. Maybe not the right wording. But I hope you know who I'm thinking of😉. I think it's simply too firm for my head🤔. But otherwise a really exciting shoe. Again a really good video👍💪
@brianreiter5572 5 ай бұрын
Would love a follow-up after you cut the sides down. Maybe a dremel?
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe I will give them a bit longer using them "properly" and if find I am more reaching for the Speed 4 or Mach 6 (which think is likely) might then be time to try. I don't own a dremel though!
@brianreiter5572 5 ай бұрын
Clearly you will need to invest in tools to grow your channel. 😳
@NiscayaKurus Ай бұрын
I currently using hoka clifton 9 wide, size EUR 43 1/3 and it fits me perfectly. Do i need to upsize to EUR 44?
@TimGrose Ай бұрын
I don't feel the Rebel v4 comes up "short" so I would first try your standard EUR size in the Rebel v4. If the standard one is not wide enough see if you can get the actual wide one. A standard Hoka (I recently tried the Mach 6) isn't typically overly wide so a wide Hoka may well equate to a standard Rebel v4 because, as I mentioned, it is incredibly wide for me - more so than anything else I have.
@NiscayaKurus Ай бұрын
@@TimGrose all right, thanks man
@JohnBirtchetSharpe 5 ай бұрын
It has been said that NB has exclusive contract with the folk in 'The Shire' for fittings .. obviously ents just have to get with the program. 😉
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
I know! Some reviewers do seem to look at shoes and think ooh, nice and wide - this will be stable. I kind of think then reverse - if got shoes too wide I might trip up on them :)
@hamoudalnasser 4 ай бұрын
Well @johnbirtchetSharpe we need at least one brand catering to us. Us Hobbits are a large underserved community.
@DerisHopePilipinas Ай бұрын
@@hamoudalnasser exactly. I dont think people realize how hard it is to find a good wide shoe. It would be a dream to have a regular width foot, so i can have the option to wear a lot of the nice running shoes available out there as well
@robin29991 5 ай бұрын
The base of these looks so wide, I would actually fear I might trip over my own feet while running. Otherwise quite promising shoe with the low weight and Peba/Eva blend though I think
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah when I first set off in them, I did have that feeling. Have you got these then?
@robin29991 5 ай бұрын
@@TimGrose No, I got the Mach 6 about 2 weeks ago and am already at 110km in it. I am considering this one for sometime in the future maybe. I could probably get on with the fit as my foot.is normal to wide but the super wide base is a bit off putting...
@stubestrong 5 ай бұрын
sizing jp/cm then you dont have a issue.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yes 32 cm shoes are what I need which in UK sizes can be UK 13 or UK 13.5 as I mentioned. Us Brits do tend to only think in UK sizes however!
@i.p2088 5 ай бұрын
Hoka Cielo X1 might surprise you. You can probably get 2 feet in one shoe 😂
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
I did wonder on that front! Problem is with shoes like that which are twice the price of these Rebels that is twice the money wasted if they are that unsuitable for me. Just don't see a use case for me for them. Rocket X2 fit me well enough but haven't worn them for a while.
@brianpires8411 5 ай бұрын
Have you tried making your foot wider?
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Ha ha I did think of wearing 4 pairs of socks but then i might as well as just get a heavy plodder.
@hawaiifranke7637 5 ай бұрын
Put them in the dishwasher!
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Think would get trouble with Sue for doing that!!!
@61js 5 ай бұрын
Your fingers have either got the grip of a hyenas jaw or that foam in the forefoot is seriously soft.
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
I tend to find foams compress like that a lot more than you actually feel on foot. I wouldn’t actually call this FuelCell formulation overly soft by modern day standards. Also as the stack at the front is “only” 24mm then not overly “high” these days.
@charlesjolley700 5 ай бұрын
This shoe is a huge disappointment, it is not comfortable at all. It feels like I am running on cardboard
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Yeah perhaps does show that weight isn't always everything although my legs felt OK after more or less 3 10 miles runs in consecutive days to test them out. What shoe(s) have you got on better with?
@fabsterun 5 ай бұрын
First
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
Back on it!
@richardrendell9363 5 ай бұрын
Hey
@TimGrose 5 ай бұрын
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