An incredible improvement to druid from the last playtest. This feels like a great compromise of weakening the health buffer of wild shape and instead giving them real AC and damage output in Moon. They're both a better spellcaster and better martial in flavor and uniqueness. Great work!

I'm actually really happy with a lot of the changes to druid in this playtest. Don't care much for the Primal Order, that feels like they ran out of ideas and just did what they did for the cleric. But I like the changes to Wildshape, I like the new Circle of the Sea subclass, and the Land feels better.

Conceptually, this is absolute perfection. I have seen nothing else so far in the playtesting that comes anywhere close to how perfect this is. I don't know if you will need to fine tune the exact mechanics, but you have landed on the exact right mindset. It is everything I could ever want for my favorite class. Thank you so much. I cannot wait to be the true druid, mage of nature, rather than being shoehorned into playing a werebear against my will.

I find it interesting that the "circle of the moon doesn't really make sense, as the name of the wildshape subclass" resulted in "more moon stuff", instead of just a new subclass name... ("circle of (wild)life" was right there 😅😅😅)

I have to read the actual document but i really really love what they came up with!

As a druid lover, this sounds absolutely wonderful. This fixed every issue ive ever had with this class, i love it

This is really awesome play test. I am glad that the passionate response of the community has resulted in this acceptable version of the Druid.

I love the prepared forms list.

Very good for druid continue in this way , great work great work .

These are great changes, good job guys! 🙌

Personally I think that having a number of known forms limits the versatility and adaptability that has always been a staple of the druid.

Druid is my go to for a spellcaster and I love these changes. Feels like a step in the right direction.

Improvements all around. I like the temp hp solution to the lack of extra hit points. Bonus action wildshape is great. The "prepared beasts" just seems like a silly rule to have since i think most people just did that anyway? Did no one ever look through the list of beasts and pick their favorites beforehand? Its not a bad rule, it just seems a little redundant

I’m a big fan of this version of druid. I know the primal order and elemental fury are a lot like cleric, but it fits the archetypes of caster and wild shape druid.

At 11:15 he says that at certain point your best becames a "Moon Beast" and gains Flight movement without wings. That is not in the document they released ! Am I right?

Ok, finally got around to reading the UA and I love it, both the base wild shape rules (keeping the species/feat/class bonuses) and the moon changes (keeping armor) sound super fun and the land is no longer such a bland option (especially love Nature's Sanctuary). Sea is completely unexpected but welcome, it feels more unique than the homebrews I usually see for it so that surprised me :D (although the possible 5d6/round on level 3 is a no-no imo)

A lvl.3 Druid can now wild shape into an ant with 17AC and 9 temp HP Edit: I got some parts mixed up, but I also missed that you retain your HP, so it’ll be an ant with 17AC and ~20HP

They finally hit the mark with the Druid. Excellent job! Limiting the number of wildshape forms was a BRILLIANT move. Providing temp wildshape HP for circle of the moon was a reasonable adjustment that can't be seen as a NERF. The Druid is going to be fun to play again! Bottom line, my faith in WotC and the 2024 rules updates have been restored! Can't wait to play a Druid in 2024!

Wow such great improvements

I would love for there to be a plant based druid that could shape shift into plants and/or summon plant creatures

Did they just forget to make Moon Druids fly? They dont get that ability.

Big improvement to druid. I think the templates would work better if there was a commitment to giving them some invocation esque system, where theyre using spell slots when they wildshape to make it a form with a modular bonus.

Druid player here. I'm loving this version of the druid for the most part, but Wild Shape forms shouldn't be lost on Incapacitation imo. Also, Prepared Wild Shapes should only apply to combat. Outside of combat it should still be unrestricted for versatility/RP scenarios. For Moon Druids, let Moonbeam just be a prepared spell in general, not just in Wild Shapes.

Where's the lunar/shared fly speed? I'm reading through the UA, but I don't see it anywhere. Just the moonlight step and shared moonlight. Edit: looks like that's the circle of the sea, instead.

MOON WOLF!!!! YEAHHHH

land looks better but could use some way to make their spells better then normal by a small bit.

Not %100 perfect IMO but very close, and actually managed to satisfy most of the community.

Ok, I love most everything about this version of the druid, and I really like the new moon druid. But I do have one concern (mentioned by someone I pay attention to). I'm pretty worried about their to-hit chances as the game gets further on. While early in the game, the CR monsters have pretty comparable to-hit chances to that of other classes. Late in the game, though, that drops off pretty heavily. There are two pretty easy fixes to this, that I see. The first is just, at a certain level, give the moon druid the capability of using their spell to hit as their attack roll for their beast form (perhaps as an option, they can choose either to use their own or the beast's natural to-hit in case they dumped wisdom for whatever obscure reason). This shouldn't be a damage boost at the same time, I think their damage is doing fine (from what I see anyways). The other option is just to have more beast options that have better capabilities. I would really love some higher CR versions of my favorite beasts (new kinds of wolves, bears, snakes, hawks, etc.). There should be options with good comparable to-hits at each of the CRs so that, one, I don't have to find a dinosaur to turn into (I never was really a dinosaur kid...sorry), and so that I don't start to feel bad about my transformations when I get past level 10 or 15.

Love most of this, but losing elementals makes circle of the moon scale really badly, need a way to scale the hit chance of your wild shapes. Everything else looks really good

druids looking alot better then monk right now

Espero que no livro 📖 tenha assuntos pra personagens acima do level 20. Tô precisando. 👀

The main thing i dont like about the moon druid is the temp hp as temp hp cant stack and cant heal just seems a bit meh. The flight thing i think is just the teleport thing they get. I also think the damage boost should be all attacks not just 1 but that may be op not sure

after reading the Monk, I find it under whelmingbut ok! the four elements new version is missing the versitile nature that I would expect to see! if I want to hurl a bolder or ignite objects or even levitate something, where is that? the druid looks good so far but I want the Moon druid to get more options for their forms! otherwise, its seems ok!

Love the idea of choosing wild-shapes, big difference of playing with 3 small cards with features instead of playing with the entire bestiary to speed up the game!

Riddle me this Jeremy: AC is at maximum 18 for Wildshape, which for a frontliner especially at later level is simply poor. Plate + Shield + Fighting Style Defense + Being a Warforge/Simic Hybrid and/or Artificer/Forge Cleric can easily outpace that without being limited by really bad to hit-modifiers. Keep in mind most beasts will lack 2-3 to hit behind regular characters. Since most of the forms also do not get a multiattack option that means: - Moon Druids have low/lower chance to hit. - If they hit they deal significantly less damage as they lack multiattack( Cannot use GWM/PAM/SS or alike. Nor wield any magic items like flame-tongue ) - Their Healthpool scales of a d8 contrary to most dedicated frontliners such as fighter, paladin, ranger and barbarian. Making their hitpoint total already lower. - The Temporary HP is at best 3xDruid Level, which is simply not even gaping the aforementioned HP differential - Druids AC is terrible, 18 vs potential 21-24 AC ( depending on magic items, races and class features ) - All Druids can over other martial/melees is teleport around and cast Abjuration spells in short: The moon druid is still a joke and needs a reason to play it. Moon Druids are druids that dedicated their LIFE to becoming good at being in melee and wreaking havoc with their forms. However they deal pitiful damage ( that is IF they hit ) and can take less of a pounding than a normal fighter. Hell with Paladin having now a bonus-action heal they are just play worse than a paladin in ALL aspects. If I wanted to play a caster druid, I definitely not choosing moondruid. If I want to wade into melee, moondruid is worse even than monk. So Jeremy and WotC please tell me how a supposed expert can be that bad at the thing they are supposedly good at?

Picking circle of the moon means i want the entire monster book to choose from. Mix this iteration and the prvious one and stop putting limits on creativity

So I dont need to start as a level 1 Fighter with two-weapon fighting style?☺

the sea druid is porlly my favorite new druid.

Druids better still be good

Circle of the Moon Druid are even worse than the last revision. It's like they ruin it, just to focus on the word Moon. I choose that subclass because I wanted to transform into elementals. If they want to improve that circle add new elementals, like a lightning elemental

Aren't monstrosities just sci-fi/mythical beast? Why not includes monstrosities at some point? 😢

I really liked the template idea. I'm sorry that it's gone. Challenge Rating is a tool for the DM, it's wasn't designer for the players in mind and it don't really work for the players. I was really hoping that Challenge Rating would be kept out of the 2024 Players Handbook. In the 2014 Players Handbook Challenge Rating isn't even explained. You get to the Druid then read that you can Wild Shape into a Challenge Rating X or lower beast with no explanation of that Challenge Rating is. You don't have a clue then you look in the index, but nothing there. Beast is not really explained either, templates is just so much easier to understand for a new player and just a better idea overall in my opinion.

LIT

But can you turn into an owlbear?

Very happy with this druid, the limited known wildshapes is literally the best way to solve the problem, all the druids, in general, use their 3-4 favorite shapes, that's a very good fix. I also agree on hit points becoming temporary, it comes with a lot of other advantages like retaining your skills, class futures and feats in your wild shape

Sounds interesting. But will druids now be able to use heavy metal armor? That is so off putting to me

A lot of things improved here. But I have to disagree with everyone else here. This is not a good direction for the druid wildshape. Templates were much much better, if they had just been done better. This current version is still going to have moon druids completely OP for a couple of levels. And then slowly fall off, until they actually just become spell casters and forget about their forms entirely at high levels. I have a druid player in my campaign, and the number 1 thing she hates the most, is she knows she really should look over her spell list, and reprepare every time a long rest is taken, and it drives her insane that she has to know all these spells. Now you want her to also know all these wild shapes? Templates was a much better option, they should just have been done proper, in fact there should just have been 1 template. Firstly with HP and AC similar to what you will get with these stat blocks. Secondly, a list of enhancements that you could pick from, such as bonus damage, bonus move speed, alternative movement modes (eg. swim, flight etc.). Classic abilities like pack tactics, and pounce. Then boom, you are there. Moon druids get to apply more enhancements at once than the regular druid. This way the team can actually work to get the scalling right, so a moon druid will not break the game at level 3, and forget that they ever used wild shapes in combat by level 15.

Pless add a fighter update

So what I don't understand is why they told us that the Druid is the least played class, most likely because it requires looking through Monster stat blocks whenever you reach a level where you can turn into new shapes. So they decide to make the new version one that requires looking through Monster stat blocks potentially every long rest? Whether or not you liked the template structure (nobody ACTUALLY liked the templates themselves), that actually solved the problem. This didn't. I suspect if this is the final version, this will still be the least played class.

Please at least bring out a druid subclass that uses an improved (not nerfed AF) template system for those that want it. Circle of the moon with a lycanthrope feel to it (rather than lunar teleporting which is not that great) would work well thematically. Make the current improved wildshape subclass wildlife as others have suggested.

For me, this Druid changes was mehh... The Druid feels like the Cleric... The changes was a lazy work. The new Moon Druid is a mess. So many concepts in one subclass. The Circle of the Sea is also a mess. The power of the sea combines Thunder, Lighting, Cold and also flying abilities... Is at minimum weird.

Still some odd interactions with the druid, like being able to turn into a tiny creature with the same HP, while turning into a bear doesn't make you tankier so you might as well turn into an animal that does more damage. You'd be better off having a few standardised animals that can be flavour texted in their appearance or commit to regular druids only turning into non-combat animals. 300ft thorn whip is also broken!!! But there is a lot to like. Having commune with nature and speak with animals and constants is really good and thematic. I really like the primal strike features though, they really would fit my current druid character. Land's aid is neat, I like healing/damage attacks, nice to see that One DnD is trying to make healing more dynamic.

Why are we getting rid of the elemental wildshapes? At this point make 2 subclasses circle of the moon and circle of the wild/beast. Add the moon and were theme to the moon and then go full wildshape for the beast circle. Some of the ideas are good but I really don’t like them taking the tank aspect out of wildshape. Some groups don’t have a designated tank and the moon druid was able to pickup that role.

Better from last playtest, still not enough. Many focus on the extremist cases where u break the game. I think the average druid still sucks. I like the limited number of forms but i would have wanted a bit more option like 3-5-8 instead of 3-4-5. I like wild resurgence, i don't like elemental fury or commune with nature, they should get rid of features that only give spells prepared without the option to use it one time for free on long rest, improved elemental fury is all the same, pretty underwhelming, and archdruid basically has just the longevity feature. My only hope is that the primal spell list will be so fire to balance it out

Oh good, instead of getting knocked out of wildshape I’ll just die lol

The druid has been un-murdered? Awesome. The monk has been stomped on? Why you do that? I don't play monk, but those poor lads. They were already the weakest.

This version of Wild Shape is strictly worse than 2014 and the previous playtest. In fact, the whole class is. Sad.

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A little sad they folded on Wild Shape templates, but I guess that was just a bridge too far for some people. Sea Druid seems dope.

Should have stuck with templates and made them better. Moon Druid makes zero sense now, messy messy.

Can we talk about how better is the monk now?

Cool, now a moon druid, assuming it fully commit to wild shape, 1200 extra hp if they use all of their wild shape and spellslots of 5th or lower level for it instead of an unlimited number, that will solve that problem. Also wasn't the reason they put stat block to avoid having players and GMs to seek over many books, limiting the number per long rest how does it solve that ?

I liked the premade stat blocks and i don't like this

This class is still garbage, you're providing little to no reason to choose this druid over a 2014 version. - 2014 - Unlimited Animals to choose from as long as fits your CR. One DnD 3-5 depending upon level and also must fit your CR. - 2014, Any Druid gets temp HP based on the animal they change into. One DnD, Only Circle of Moon get Temp HP and it's the lower of 3x your Druid level or the animal. - 2014, Moon Druids can heal themselves as long as they have spell slots. One DnD, you can have a medium armor AC and use abjuration spells, oh that's right, Druids don't get Shield.... As I stated before, if your goal is to drive interest for playing a new class, you're doing a horrible job at it. Not many people are going to be excited about playing a neutered version of a class when they can just play the 2014 version and enjoy all the benefits. This isn't WoW where blizzard can nerf a class and people have to just eat it up or quit the game. This is DnD. DnD's reputation has been quickly falling into the toilet, and the last thing you need is to release a "5.5 version." of DnD where most people will just avoid it since it's nothing more than a balance patch.