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Trigger warning...

You hit the nail on the cav, daddy

Drummers supporting drummers is a beautiful thing. ❤

Lol what? People like "if my drumset sounded different, I'd have high skill"

Or imagine when the kick pedal was introduced... "That's cheating! You aren't even kicking the drum!!"

I love this. The perfectly pitched wet-blanket on a surprisingly heated non-debate. To explain both sides and then implore people to be more nuanced and considerate in their criticisms. Perfect. Thank you.

I've never understood how anyone could "cheat" at something that's not a game/sport/competition. It's like saying digital art is cheating - the intended result is enjoyment or conveying a thought/idea/message, not who can use paint and bristles best.

Thanks for the mention 💪🏻

It cracks me up when a top-notch technique drummer says, "Use them because if you suck, you'll suck even more."

What most critics don't understand is that even in the studio, most producers/engineers use note replacement (aka samples) for kick drum sounds. As with triggers, it is much easier and quicker to take a proven sample of a good kick sound, replace the subpar original, and immediately make something better. It doesn't take away the performance of the drummer- it isn't "cheating"; it's just taking what you did, and making it sound like you wanted it to. Many years ago, I was with Hellhammer (Mayhem) during a rehearsal with him using triggered kicks. Every hit was clean and audible. A few days later, I was with Frost (Satyricon) at a rehearsal. No triggers. Similar speed... it was more of a rumble instead of individual strokes. I've used triggered kicks for over 20 years (actually 60/40 in the mix), and as Jorge says, with triggers, you hear everything- if you make a mistake, triggers will make DAMN sure it is heard, whereas with just mic'ed kicks, you can get away with cheating because strokes don't sound as defined; a minor screw-up can be missed. In the end, technique and execution create the notes- production delivers it to your ears.

"When you do tuc, it does puc". best explanation I've ever heard. I used to think triggers were cheating, I got that mentality from my old drummer. But once triggers were explained to me properly, I get it. I played electric guitar and love played drums now too. The comparison to electric guitar and changing its sounds is a good comparison. However, with a lot of distortion on your electric guitar, you can hide some mistakes, as well as magnify them. But whatever instrument you play, I use the advice I got from Paul Gilbert, one of the best guitarists ever - imagine your playing is like driving. Your accuracy in playing is your steering, and the speed is the gas pedal. Don't press the gas if you can't steer properly. Nice to see you touch on that as well

This reminds me of Herman Lee of DragonForce responding to people who said that using click tracks live is cheating: "It's not cheating. If you can't play to a click track, then you can't play in time. It's as simple as that."

When I first started using triggers, it actually highlighted how sloppy my kicks actually were (since I could hear each hit clearly) so it greatly increased my accuracy, then came the speed

6:19 "you see a piano? electric piano" Actually... four Queen albums bragged in the liner notes "NO SYNTHESIZERS!"*. Boston, Iggy Pop, Kraftwerk, and Tesla did the same. In the 1970s, synths were getting popular, and music purists said it wasn't "real music", that it was "cheating". This battle between purists/traditionalists and innovators is as old as time. It's not just for drummers. * ok, admittedly Queen did it to get back at a critic who mocked them for their synths - which they weren't using; not because they hated synths.

Wait till these people learn there are whole electronic drum kits.

Same thing happened when digital art became a thing. Painters considered it cheating until they tried it for themselves and realizes how much time is saves even though you still have to be a good artist to use the tool properly.

This is like the moronic discution about bass players: "if he uses his fingers and not a pick is a better player"

Great video!! So glad someone at you level addressed this. And I love how you are trying to bring us drummers together!!

Well put!👍🏻👍🏻 Two big thumbs up on the explination! Clears up so much for everyone!

Bro has achieved drum Jesus status. From being a part of us; to legit saying that we should love one another. Stay strong!

one benefit of triggers are that you don’t need the most expensive drums to sound great. i work in a venue with a capacity of 1000. 95% of the time the drums are just mic‘ed up and like 85% of the time the drums just sound bad because drummers try to replicate these „typical“ fat modern drum sounds where they end up failing and the drums sound shit. a few days ago there was a pop act playing and the drummer had a cheaper kit (under 1000€) but he just got some really nice drum samples and the drums sounded great. so triggers arent only for metal drummers but in general a great buy for anyone who wants to sound great for a low price.

I'm loving your course Estepario! Challenging, but amazing! I'm already a member. I wish existing members got all of this SWAG, not just those who are joining to take the course. Oh well, the course is worth much more.

Muy bonita explicación ❤

The fact that anyone thinks there is "cheating" in music is a testament to how stupid people can be. Music has never been a competition and never will be, its as simple as that. Music is an art, meant to be expressed in any way that the artist chooses. Its not a sport, and people need to stop treating it like one.

Eloy made Slipknot, well played.

Very informative very from the heart thanks man!

Love the explanation 💯 on point! 🎯👌

Well said my friend. Never underestimate the stupidity of people that don't have a f***ing clue what their taking about.

This was interesting for me as a guitarist. Never knew exactly what triggers were until this. Blaming someone for using triggers kinda sounds like blaming a guitarist for using distortion. Yeah it makes it easier to play fast (with power) but that's the point - it opens up possibilities for new music.

Thank you for putting this up. I laughed through a lot of it. I currently have a Roland VAD kit so it looks like a real kit. There's people that don't believe that they're electric and when they find out I've gotten the hate and had to explain this very things to them

I can't wait to kick off with you on May 7th. just alone the Q-n-A with you will be so amazing to listen to in real time. You call it, you are objective in your perspective and you work in overdrive to unite us drummers. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

same logic for guitarists who say distortion and effects mask poor playing, it's exactly opposite

Very well stated, a simple way of looking at those who complain like that is just like I learned in sales, those who cannot do better to elevate themselves attack others to tear them down to their level. Their home life sucks so they project their miserable existence on others. The only thing you can do is pray for them and then 'dust your feet and move on'. Well put and very well explained on Triggers, now even I better understand their function and totally agree, they won't help you drum better, just sound better! Good stuff!! Thanks for the informative video!!!

Amen! Many thanks!🙏 peace and love

Thank you very much. Very informative!

Its about the music at the end of the day. Debates about, "Who had to work harder for it," is a waste of time. Great video!

Vocalist: i need autotune✔️ Guitarist: i need to add effect✔️ Drummer: i need to use triggers "Oh hell naw!!!!"

The 30 day drum challenge u just started is awesome , learned so much already thanks 🤘🤘 I missed out on the opportunity to get the pad tho , signed up a couple days too late ⏰

Mi hermano, eres grande! 🙌 Tus videos son estupendos.🔥 Mucho amor de Portugal. 🍻

I can not wait to take your course in Drumeo! So freakin stoked on this! Thank you for everything you do!

Mejor explicado de ahí no se puede... Excelente hermano!!! 💪💪💪

Well done. Love from Greece.

Gran explicación ❤❤👋👋👋👋

Buena aclaracion Estepario!! Good clarification!

Awesome video! Especially when you talked about the Drum Community supporting one another. We need MORE of that! Thank you...

Estepario eres una gran persona!!!! Da gusto ver tus videos!!! Deseo que sigas difundiendo la batería y bateristas. Eres un gran ser humano !!!!! Mi admiración y respetos!!!!!

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Well said and explained - you're the only drummer I follow and the only reason I watch reactions to your videos from other drummers, and I love it, I even didn't know I like drummers until I watched a video from you - keep it on 💪🙏

It's kind of ironic that the same people who play V Kits at home would have an issue with triggers. I mean the tech has come so far. These people didn't grow up with those Cheesy ass Simmon Pads. The other irony, of course, being just how many records have either replaced the or embellished the drums with samples. ( How many albums have the same Steven Slate Kick and Snare samples on them? ) A cool aspect of those trigger is that Charlie Benante can go out and play those Panters shows with Vinnie's drum sounds actually going out to the audience,

Whoa. The spanish subtitles are super useful for improving my Spanish language comprehension. This is cool.

Fantastic points! Well said ✌️

Amen! Triggers only cheat sound and do not cheat stroke. Now, if you are a drummer who is keen on nuances of natural hits and want playing dynamics, then do not use triggers.

Once you get to certain bass drum speeds, you can’t even distinguish the strokes on a normal, untriggered bass drum. People hear it and think it’s just an easy way to sound fast regardless of technique. You can’t even hear the strokes individually 250 bpm and up on a normal kick, so triggers are there to create clarity. Like saying a guitarist using an amp is cheating

Scott Burns who produced so much original death metal at Morrissound Studios in Florida pioneered drum replacement. I think it’s pretty safe to say we’d either not have death metal or it would sound very different had triggering not been invented.

I just wanted to say your English has gotten really good within the last year!

Thank you for explaining triggers for me! I've been playing since 94, I started playing (trying to play) convers of nu metal songs and started hearing about triggers. It has taken to THIS DAY for me to actually know what they are. Well done!!!!

Thank you so much 🙏 unbelievable that this discussion is still „triggering“ so many drummers that have fallen into the trap and misconception that performing music has to be a competition.

another great video, and I am very excited about your Drumeo!

Most recording studios already replace all the kicks in songs to make sure they have the same waveform... this is the same thing... but a live version.

I've always associated Drum Triggers to be kind of like Delay and Reverb with Guitar pedals. Just a tool to accentuate sounds.

Love monitoring with them with Roland Tm2, but never out front as I prefer kick drum sound

My daughter and I are so excited to be able to learn from you!!!!!! Ty for doing this!!!

Well said! The issue is solely quantization and post editing of performances.

You didn't address the issue of using triggers on the bass drum to trigger a sample of 2or even 4 hits for every one hit of the beater. That literally allows you to drum twice or 4 times as fast as you really can.

Stil remember Slipknot's soundcheck at Roskilde in ... 2004? The TAP TAP - TAPPETYTAP of the bass drum, all at one velocity and NO dynamics whatsoever. Sounded good in the final audience mix though!

Amen brother! love the hockey metaphone

Using triggers has absolutely nothing to do with skill and only if you've used them you know. Hating on triggers Is like hating on e-drums.

On one hand, triggers expose terrible timing, on the other hand they mask your crappy dynamic control

Spot on and well said!

I LOVE Drumeo - looking forward to your course. Woohoo!! 🥰👑💜🥁

As a sound engineer triggers are great for live, because sometimes the drummers kit might not translate well on a live venue stage, or there’s no time to tune the actual drums.

"I heard Dave Grohl can't actually play distorted guitar riffs naturally, he has to use an overdrive pedal. I want my money back!"

One of your best videos

El you are a god. Thank you for imparting your wisdom. Thank you for giving to us all! Much love from Dallas.

Not to mention that most of the shit above 210 bpm sound like shit on PA. Too much air moving inside the kick to have a define and precise kick.

This immediately reminded me of the song Archangel by Kevin Sherwood. For that song he went out of his way to not use preprogramed/MIDI drums but instead reached out to death metal drummer Darren Cesca to write and play the drum part, and it's some of the fastest drumming I've heard. You can watch a video of the guy playing through the song and see the beaters are barely moving more than between like ten and fifteen centimetres. Without triggers or some amazing mixing for those bass drums, that song could not have sounded the way it did.

You Sir, are like the Anatoly of drumming... Beers & Cheers from Straya'

Thank fuck...this is a PSA sooooo many mouth-breathers need.

Been triggering kick since the 80's. The man speaks the truth! Love what you do bro, keep on keeping on!

I wish i could have that one.. Informative! Idol,El Estepario♥️🤘

Estepario I really hope you make a trigger MasterClass in Drumeo. If you do, I will join Dumeo immediately!

comment section swallowed the clickbait 😅😂

"Be a grown man. Don't be a Bitch". I love it!!!😂😂😂

Great class.

This guy is a gem!! What a badass!

One big reason bands use triggers live is because it makes the live mixing so much easier. The lower frequencies are the hardest to control when it comes to the kick and especially when bands play different locations every time with different location shapes, acoustics, the audio engineer would have to reshape the sound every time they play. It also saves time on drum kick setups, especially bands who use 2 bass drums as you'd have to match the tuning or else it'll just sound very off.

As a person who codes, when I hear the phrase “Drum ‘trigger’” it brings up an understanding that a trigger is something which, upon being activated, causes a separate customizable action to be performed in response. SO that would be like hitting a snare, and then a trigger goes off which plays the sound of that same sampled snare hit after a delay of 0.5 seconds. IN this case it would be a bit like cheating because literally the timing of your hits could be creating a hit that literally never existed, and technically could be programmed to make a variety of sounds form a variety of percussion instruments if tweaked enough. Don’t know how to play triplets, just code a trigger that samples your hit in a given tempo range and make a single hit automatically turn into a triplet through the speaker or recording software. 4:43 I don’t know why they are using the word “trigger” when filter, both accounts fits. Legit if it was a trigger, then by my initial understanding and reasoning it WOULD change what you play, you could play a slow rhythm and everyone would hear twice the notes out of it. Legit calling it something which doesn’t have such a loaded connotation, especially to people who don’t know what it is, would go a long way here.

This is really a fantastic video. Very intelligent

Shitting on triggers would be like guitarists shitting on compressor pedals.

Guitarist: dude check out my new pedal that has this crunchy distortion. That's awesome!!!!! Drummer: dude check out my new trigger, I can change what the drums sounds like CHEATER LOSER SKILLESS

Well said brother. Loved the video.

¡Que grande eres Estepario!, gracias por este aporte 😊

I think triggers aren't cheating because music isn't a competition, but it is an artform, and triggers are a tool to enhance one's drumming And I like this analogy There's digital drawing and then there's the classical drawing Some people prefer digital while some prefer the classical way, and there are some advantages to digital drawing, if you make a mistake, you can easily rectify it, but digital drawing doesn't make your art skills better, if you are a bad artist your drawings will be bad, similarly triggers are like that it solves the problem of going fast and keeping dynamics, but if you play bad everything will sound bad as estepario said

I'm glad distortion pedals for guitar didn't get hated on like drum triggers do.

In line to start the course with you today ! Id like to know your take as well on edrums

You are incredible ❤️. Questions most don't ask. Can you play slow with finesse? Do you play any Jazz? You blast the tripple bass and your snare. Always loud and kick ass. I'd like to hear something with multiple time signatures and some soft hits.

I agree with almost everything you say. However, i think a lot of the trigger hate comes from the place of exactly what you say triggers help with. If you hear a drummer on a full acoustic set that is barely touching the heads, he would never be able to play and be heard. If you take away all the physically demanding arm movement to create an audible hit, you arent having to work as hard, therefore not playing like a real drummer. If you are a boxer and barely hit your opponent 100 times faster, are you actually a good fighter in a real fight?

To anyone still complaining about triggers in 2024: - Set your click track above 220bpm. - Play 16th notes on the kick drum with the sound that modern metal music REQUIRES you to have. When you can do it, come back to the internet and reprise your complaining.

Hey man, I appreciate all of your videos. Your skill vids, vlogs, theory, practice and get better. Thank you for keeping it real and proving the worth of dedication.