Dry Mouth on CPAP?? - What causes it and How to Fix it

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Learn what may be causing your Dry Mouth on CPAP Therapy and some tips and tricks for how to fix the dry mouth. We have links below for references in the video.
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@jmpattillo
@jmpattillo Жыл бұрын
This is the number one problem. You don’t know how dry your mouth can get until you wake up with your teeth stuck to the insides of your cheeks
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Yeh no fun there.
@sharondavis3515
@sharondavis3515 Жыл бұрын
Using one month and “then “ started drying out. Why drying out
@Aindriuh
@Aindriuh Жыл бұрын
Or your tongue welded to the roof of your mouth.
@techshabby0001
@techshabby0001 Жыл бұрын
My throat stuck together, closed. I woke up in a fight-for-life panic. Holy moly. It's gotten a lot better now but yikes. I use mouth tape now.
@karlnordinger5968
@karlnordinger5968 4 ай бұрын
Same here .@@sharondavis3515
@marioluque1107
@marioluque1107 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using CPAP for over 20 years. In the last couple of months I have developed dry mouth. I have also lost 35 pounds and the pressure needed to be dropped. With the dr.'s permission I lowered it from 12 to 10 and with a chin strap I was able to solve my problem. The video is excellent, always look for solutions CPAP can save you heart and life! Be safe and healthy out there!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Great info!! Thank you.
@susanenz3400
@susanenz3400 2 жыл бұрын
I've had mine for 8 years havent made it one whole night with it on. It's about the most useless piece of equipment in my house
@TheMightsparrow
@TheMightsparrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway How do I get desalinated water for your resmed10 humidifier? How & where do I get it?
@claybarbieri9909
@claybarbieri9909 Жыл бұрын
@@susanenz3400 there two really good youtube channels that cover details of CPAP use that will help you optimize your machine for you. Also some excellent software that will allow you to see your sleep data, if your machine allows an SD card.
@claybarbieri9909
@claybarbieri9909 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMightsparrow i use distilled water. Baby section of Walmart, but a lot of grocery stores carry it. Also tap water can be used. You just need to soak humidifier in vinegar when you get mineral build up. Once a week worked for me. But got lazy and went back to distilled water.
@susanreschke9056
@susanreschke9056 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks for these videos.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
@mollymiller87
@mollymiller87 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, easy to understand. I'm anxious to try the suggestions pertaining to dry mouth problems.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Good luck!
@earlhayes1916
@earlhayes1916 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding, Clay! You just lowered my blood pressure. Many thanks!😊
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Happy to help.
@ladonnawilliams8933
@ladonnawilliams8933 Жыл бұрын
My dry mouth was so bad I stopped using the c pap for months , started back yesterday because I was always tired or sleepy I live alone thought I'd start back dry mouth and all ,no one to wake me up any more. So now I'm going to order a full face again.thanks for the help.
@BettyS-yh6du
@BettyS-yh6du Жыл бұрын
your videos are always so helpful
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mailav2571
@mailav2571 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very helpful video!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to hear that we could help.
@avilacanario
@avilacanario 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You solved a few of my problems!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help.
@Calicaveman
@Calicaveman 2 жыл бұрын
I Thank You for your information very helpful 👍🏾🙏🏾
@PhishedOff
@PhishedOff 2 жыл бұрын
Thats my biggest issue!! The noise and the extra dry mouth wake me up. Thank you for making this video I never heard of the strips before!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Glad that it was helpful.
@JamesEnTennessee
@JamesEnTennessee Жыл бұрын
Very helpful. I need full face mask. Thanks for sharing!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
You are welcome. Maybe you should check out our info page on full face masks. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7Z1ndqbusXceas.html
@johnniecrawford5451
@johnniecrawford5451 2 жыл бұрын
This was great information!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Steph_Said
@Steph_Said Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I previously used the nasal pillow mask and had all the issues mentioned. That was 8 yrs ago. I have new machine & chose the face mask arriving soon.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
You are welcome. Good Luck!
@loubeaudry5817
@loubeaudry5817 3 жыл бұрын
Look you up to change the air pressure thank you so much very helpful
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@glenneyshiabee8856
@glenneyshiabee8856 3 жыл бұрын
Big help..thanks
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@debilonginetti3676
@debilonginetti3676 2 жыл бұрын
Xylimelts help a great deal. Also running a piece of bandage tape from just under the nose, over the closed lips and onto the chin helps tremendously.
@arlenemurphy804
@arlenemurphy804 2 жыл бұрын
Xylimelts are wonderful for me. Was skeptical but has worked for me💜
@queeniam6477
@queeniam6477 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I had no idea why my mouth was so dry every morning. Thank you!!!👍
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it helpful!!
@smislt
@smislt 3 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway I have an AirSense 10 and I'm using a full face mask. I have the humidity set to maximum (8). I wake up several times a night due to dry mouth. I have heated tubing, but I'm not sure what temperature to set it at. Can you give me some advice?
@johnotto989
@johnotto989 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video! I have actually just recently had my pressure raised to 16, and I wasn't having any issues with my mouth being extremely dry until now. I do wear a full face mask, and my humidity is up to six out of eight on my present machine. And last night it even ran out of water. So I'm kind of at the point where I may actually need a humidifier, but thank you for all the suggestions I appreciate it! May Jesus greatly bless you!
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck. In some cases we do have customers that have to refill the humidifier reservoir in the middle of the night. Which is no fun, but is an option. Room humidifier may be a better option to start with.
@justaguy1679
@justaguy1679 2 жыл бұрын
I actually reduced my pressure, and dry mouth better.
@lloydcauley4615
@lloydcauley4615 2 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway ok
@mercurym-7904
@mercurym-7904 2 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway I’m getting a severe dry mouth using a full face. 🙄
@JS-te4gz
@JS-te4gz 2 жыл бұрын
@@mercurym-7904 really I thought would help
@Wayz5145
@Wayz5145 Жыл бұрын
I have a full face mask and found the use of Biotene dry mouth rinse to help a lot.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@tonysmooth
@tonysmooth 3 ай бұрын
thank you, only had my machine for less than 30 days and have experienced this severe dry mouth. Having the company send me a full face mask, along with a heated tubing. For now I'll use the chin strap until my other accessories arrive.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 ай бұрын
Good luck. Thanks for watching.
@MrTommyboy68
@MrTommyboy68 Жыл бұрын
Good to know. I have a full face mask, and heated hose. Part of the problem is some of the meds I am on cause dry mouth AND I am a mouth breather by nature. I will set up a humidifier near my CPAP and see if that helps. I live in BFE Montana and it is high prairie/high desert (VERY DRY, people actually use evap coolers up here and the work better than when I was in Phoenix.)
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
BFE Montana sounds awesome. Good luck with the humidity.
@humbertopocasangre5931
@humbertopocasangre5931 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you I’ll try one of those straps
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Good Luck!
@lindaandrews8039
@lindaandrews8039 Жыл бұрын
I didn't have a problem with my mouth opening at night until my pressure was increased. I was using the AirFit N20, and, when my pressure was increased, I used a chin strap briefly, which helped a lot with the dry mouth, but it was bulky wearing the chin strap with my mask headgear over it, so, I switched to a full-face mask, the AirFit F30, which I really like. It's helped a lot with the dry mouth, but, my LIPS still get dry. I'm working on fixing that.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the input. Good Luck!
@mp2892
@mp2892 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all that information but I am the exception to the rule as I have a full face, with all that you suggested and still get the dry mouth .... very challenging indeed.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
I am sorry to hear that. Sometimes it all just isn't quite enough.
@powderpuff3573
@powderpuff3573 2 жыл бұрын
Same for me!
@tikoy1955
@tikoy1955 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Dry mouth happens about once a month or once every two months.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@enoynaert
@enoynaert Жыл бұрын
I was a full facemask user with dry mouth. My problem was that when I would fall into deep sleep my jaw muscles relaxed and I got leaks when my jaw dropped. My solution was a cervical neck brace. I am a side-sleeper with a thick square pillow. The neck brace was surprisingly comfortable to wear, and it supported the back of my jaw.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you for the input.
@qotsafan7638
@qotsafan7638 11 ай бұрын
Which neck brace did you get? I'm having the same issue.
@buddyholly4672
@buddyholly4672 2 ай бұрын
This is the issue i have.
@enoynaert
@enoynaert 2 ай бұрын
@@qotsafan7638 It was just a generic one from Walgreens or CVS.
@Jp22524
@Jp22524 Жыл бұрын
I have extreme dry mouth, and I use a full-face mask. Because I have one nostril that has an impacted airway, it is necessary for me to use the facial mask because I sleep with my mouth open. I also have a heated tube, because the regular tube got full of vapor and set off some kind of alarm. I use dry mouth rinse before going to sleep. Still wake up with a dry mouth. The oral rinse just helps me fall asleep.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
That is tough if you have maxed the humidity settings out already. Good luck.
@ARJ11569
@ARJ11569 Жыл бұрын
O wow. Your situation sounds exactly like mine. I sometimes put a cube of ice and it seems to work better.
@bonniefranklin6097
@bonniefranklin6097 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@jane5053
@jane5053 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This helped a lot! I think I will try the Somnifix tape first. If that doesn't work, then I'll move on to the nose & mouth mask. I tried the chin strap already, but it's not my thing.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad that we could help. Good Luck!!
@proddarunner
@proddarunner Жыл бұрын
You can also try a nasal pillow mask that also goes over your mouth. I use the hybrid #500 for the purpose of the open mouth syndrome. As a side note, I also use a night mouthguard because of my TMJ. This is another situation to use the nasal pillow with over the mouth facemask. The Hybrid mask is good for this situation because it has a built-in chin holder
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@MyBiddie
@MyBiddie 5 ай бұрын
What is the name of the mask manufacturer please ?
@pamelaruigh8185
@pamelaruigh8185 Жыл бұрын
I have done everything you mention. I still have a sahara desert mouth from jaw drop.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Are you using the mouth strips?
@julietbowron1448
@julietbowron1448 2 жыл бұрын
Hi all. Thank you for the video & all your very helpful suggestions.for helping me with my dry mouth My dentist suggests using Biotene solution in the day as mouth dries. And put some Tooth Mousse (pea sized amount she said) to the ALL teeth surfaces with a finger before bed. Reuse both if wake dry. The Biotene keeps mouth wetter & Tooth Mousse prevents dry mouth related tooth decay.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@MaxDance54
@MaxDance54 2 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of tooth mousse before What brand are you using. Thanks
@julietbowron1448
@julietbowron1448 2 жыл бұрын
@@MaxDance54 it’s called Tooth Mousse, in mint and another flavour. Great to protect teeth at night. Good luck! And the am dry mouth is not as bad either.
@nanaobx
@nanaobx Жыл бұрын
@@MaxDance54 a friend recommended GC MI Paste Plus. I got it from a dentist office. Tube was 25.00 but will last a long time. She also recommended Biotene gel to put on tongue. Haven't found that yet but I use the Biotene dry mouth wash before bed and then rub my teeth down with the MI Paste. I also use a chin strap with my nose pillow mask and it all seems to be helping.
@MaxDance54
@MaxDance54 Жыл бұрын
Could you link your tooth mousse product. I found various whitening mouse, but.none for protecting teeth. Thanks so much
@arlenemurphy804
@arlenemurphy804 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using cpap for 3 years. I have dried mouth, have increased humidity. I also haven been experiencing sinus issues, gum and teeth issues. Headaches. Burning in sinus on face. Ent say there are no polyps in the sinus passage. Dentist can find no issues either. Today I am going for a CT SCAN.. I have stopped using cpap in the meantime until issue gets resolved. In addition, the cpap I am using was recalled this week. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ My pulmonary dr just added a chin strap to resolve the dryness but I won’t get this sent until these issues are resolved.. I must say I do sleep so much better WITH the cpap… New info August: Recently been diagnosed with asthma. Not only is Cpap recalled, it stopped working. Doctor is currently trying to get another for me. Has been a disaster.
@PhilVerryChannel
@PhilVerryChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Stopped working, how? Heater? Mine flashed message saying "Heater malfunction."
@nanaobx
@nanaobx Жыл бұрын
It took my husband over a year to get his new machine. Hope you've gotten yours and problems resolved. The hubs also has asthma. I just recently started sleeping with a cpap using the nose pillow mask. Had to use chin strap due to dry mouth. Also using Biotene dry mouth wash and GC MI Paste Plus to put on teeth prior to bed. This seems to be helping.
@judybedayse2317
@judybedayse2317 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. I use a full face mask by reamed. I am having dry mouth and will try some of your strategies. Problem is my mask is on properly at bedtime but somehow shifts during the night.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@justaguy1679
@justaguy1679 2 жыл бұрын
I use mouth and nose mask. ENT suggested pillow mask.
@scottloftin1730
@scottloftin1730 2 жыл бұрын
Also have your electrolites checked. Good vid
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@sandysue202
@sandysue202 3 жыл бұрын
I will try the mouth strips first. I use nasal pillows and have tried chin straps and it didn't help much. Last choice will be the full face mask but I will if I have to.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck. A lot of people do great on the Somnifix mouth strips.
@happy70sgirl
@happy70sgirl 2 жыл бұрын
I like the full face much better than the other ones. It's the only one I can use now.
@julietbowron1448
@julietbowron1448 2 жыл бұрын
I went through several testing masks before my small features found a comfy not leaky FFM. My FFM is a DreamWear FFM & only covers nose & mouth…I had thought the FFM covered ALL the face…..nope! The only model that does that here in Australia was taken off the market. The SEMI! FFM is much less than I worried about.😀
@justinwall6448
@justinwall6448 Жыл бұрын
I use a moisturizing mouth wash before I go to bed. Helps me a lot.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Great tip!
@gremlinn7
@gremlinn7 2 жыл бұрын
I started out with a full face mask but switched after about 1.5 weeks when I was hit with pretty bad pain/weakness in the left arm/shoulder/neck regions that, from my best guess, were from the below-ear strap pinching a nerve in my neck from how tight I had to make the straps to stop any mask leak. So I switched as soon as I could to a nasal mask. The dry mouth issue that brought up is a bit of a hassle to deal with, but the nerve issue was on another level and I don't want to risk going back to that. I found a chin strap to be only slightly helpful, and on my second style of mouth strips (the style that completely covers the lips all the way to the ends) I'm getting *decent* improvement. I might start trying a combination of both strap/tape.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Great info. thanks for the input.
@JS-te4gz
@JS-te4gz 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt a strap pinched the nerve
@JS-te4gz
@JS-te4gz 2 жыл бұрын
Don't use tape you could suffocate if you have a power outage and the valve doesn't open on the mask
@billbucktube
@billbucktube 3 жыл бұрын
In my case I had a rare night where it took me over an hour to get to sleep. While I was waiting my mouth dried out. Mouth was closed with no leakage anywhere else. Humidification set to 4 of 5. Water is preheated. Non-heated hose. I have nasal pillows. I had a sleep study done to determine the cause of the dry mouth. I think the technician was out to prove mouth leakage, so when I had a minor lip leak they stopped monitoring and sent me home. To restate, my mouth dried out with mouth closed waiting to go to sleep. To me it seems that there is a physiological response to "pressurized" air blowing in the nose and I think those responses need to be documented (they might be already).
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I would try adding in a Heated Hose if your CPAP will allow it. Then cranking the humidity as high as you can to see if it will help. Certainly worth a try.
@velmamilagros
@velmamilagros Жыл бұрын
That's what happen to me. My mouth and throat feel dry, even when I am awake with my mouth closed. HORRIBLE!!
@tonyreddy7535
@tonyreddy7535 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Have struggled with high AHI and dry mouth. I actually started wearing a cervical collar and that droppped AHI 70%!! However Phillips recall of Dream Station has caused me to stop using. Then got OK to use with inline bacterial virus filter. But NO humidifier. Terrible AHI again. So I will try somnifix
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
That recall has really affected us all.
@gnel8021
@gnel8021 2 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway I'm NOT buying this recall BS ! It's all related to the idiots who used some "Ozone cleaner" from all I read. I did not! That's what filters are for. I used my Remstar by Respironics for 15 years, it still works. I bet ANYTHING it's more dangerous to not use the machine than worry about the foam! I bought the INLINE BACTERIAL FILTERS , Amazon 3-pack. Goes between machine and tubing, that's going to show any foam residue. NONE... ZERO ... Only slightly gray after 6 weeks, I bet also you get more carcinogens than what the bacterial filter traps than a commute on the freeway to work in one day. FDA gave Phillips a sh*t deal imo, they still haven't made a settlement w/ FDA. They should come out and say it's the dumb ozone cleaners or whatever. If they approved that, they screwed up. DreamStation2 is not affected by the way. And no, I'm not worried about "gasses killing me from the foam" LOL I'm worried about a stroke from snoring and choking like what my heavy-snorer Dad did, that gave him heart attack eventually.
@wallyfirkins1664
@wallyfirkins1664 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was meant for me. I have been fighting a severe dry mouth and poor results on my Dream Station AVS. I am trying to get a full face mask through a full night as I can't get a good seal and it is driving me nuts. I have tried all of the other options however so I need to persevere. I have to fill the humidifier on my Dream Station twice a night and as I am also on oxygen 24/7, I have water on my liquid oxygen tank. I wish they made a much larger reservoir for water on the Dream Station.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you find some relief on that. Thanks for watching.
@tinabuchanan894
@tinabuchanan894 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered the bleep mask and a chin strap and have done well with that.
@wallyfirkins1664
@wallyfirkins1664 3 жыл бұрын
@@tinabuchanan894 Thank you for your reply. I have another question based on your response. What is a bleep mask? Thanks, Wally
@tinabuchanan894
@tinabuchanan894 3 жыл бұрын
Here is information on the Bleep. I have used it for about two weeks. I get a very good seal with it after I got the hang of putting it on. I still have to use a chin strap to avoid dry mouth issues, but my sleep is so much better than having to wrestle with the mask. You will need to try and position it on your face to suit you. Look it up on KZfaq too.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
@@tinabuchanan894 Thanks for the input.
@fusabue
@fusabue 3 жыл бұрын
I use a thigh part of pantyhose instead of chin straps. It works like mouth tape as well as chin strap. The only down side is to make me feel perverted lol.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
If it works, then it works! Thanks for the input.
@martinbachmann6283
@martinbachmann6283 2 жыл бұрын
Fusabue, your last sentence made me laugh so hard that I started to choke, & then exhaled Pepsi-cola out my nostrils! And another thing with your method; if you gotta go out & rob a gas-station or something, while wearing CPAP..... you're all set for that too! And the "mustache/band-aid" mouth closure approach; this would be pure hell for those of us "real men" that still wear "full mustaches!"
@MissHappiness36
@MissHappiness36 2 жыл бұрын
@@martinbachmann6283 😂 the gas station robbing reminds me of that scene in Raising Arizona, where the old man tells Nicholas Cage, “Son, you got a panty on your head.”
@martinbachmann6283
@martinbachmann6283 2 жыл бұрын
@@MissHappiness36 AhhHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Lady MissHappiness! I had forgotten all about that funny movie-line way back; I found the lil clip on y-tube, watched it once more, & then was laughing so hard + choking that I accidentally blew (drinking iced-tea today) it out my nose AGAIN!!
@buddyholly4672
@buddyholly4672 2 ай бұрын
🤣
@sanfo2003
@sanfo2003 Жыл бұрын
I have full face mask, no leak, heated hose, water tank, humidity level 8 out of 8. Still get dry mouth. I live in the Phoenix area so very dry out here. I have elevated my hose temperature but will try an even higher temp to get the humidty up. If that doesn't work I'm gonna try a cervical collar to keep my mouth shut. I don't like the idea of tape although I heard one idea of cutting vertical slits in the tape to solve the power outage concern.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
You may also want to look in to a room humidifier. Lots of customers have seen big improvements with that. Like the ones used for kids when they are sick.
@colleenmarie6265
@colleenmarie6265 3 жыл бұрын
I was measured for a full face medium mask & was getting real dry mouth. I tried size small mask and it resolved dry mouth. The mask falls under my bottom lip helping to keep my mouth closed.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
That is great. Thank you for the input
@darleneames1634
@darleneames1634 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thank you for the video! I would like to try the lip seal.I couldn't see where to order. I have tried a full face mask ......lol some people drool ..so that didn't work for me.Thank you for your help.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
That is the somnifix. Link to it below. Currently on significant backorder. cpapmyway.com/store/disposable-cpap-parts/cpap-chinstraps/somnofix-mouth-strips
@LuisALeon-ul4ln
@LuisALeon-ul4ln 2 жыл бұрын
Pueden poner una traducción ? Es muy importante para los pacientes que no dominamos el inglés.
@Jl-620
@Jl-620 2 жыл бұрын
La boca seca puede ser porque al dormir se te abre la boca y sale el aire. Por eso recomienda que te pongas una banda que te mantenga la boca cerrada, o que uses somnifix u otra cinta adhesive para cerrar la boca (tiene una ranura para dejar respirar). Alternativamente, te recomienda cambiar a una mascara que cubra tanto la nariz como la boca al mismo tiempo. Tambien recomienda usar el humidificador en la maquina de CPAP, y en casos extremos tambien usar un humidificador del aire en tu habitacion. Buena suerte!
@Moveon10001
@Moveon10001 Жыл бұрын
Different medications can cause dry mouth. I use a half face mask that covers the mouth and nose but not the eyes. I get dry mouth a lot. I set my ResMed AirCurve ASV auto to auto tube temperature and auto humidity level. I also keep some ACT lozenges next to my bed to take and help with the dry mouth.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@garyzac9185
@garyzac9185 2 жыл бұрын
Iv tried all that CPAP & air cosintrater machines, plus full face masks, with a still get dry mouth
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. That makes things tough.
@corybutler5261
@corybutler5261 2 жыл бұрын
Hello I’m new to cpap. My dry mouth is only between my upper front lip and my teeth. What causes this ??? and how can I fix ??? Thank you great video
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
That is a tough one. Have you tried any of the video options yet?
@bluethunder2226
@bluethunder2226 3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about how to set up the Bluetooth on a CPAP thank you...
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7idnJuhr9jWYo0.html This is a link to our DreamStation Bluetooth video. Hope this is helpful. Have a great day.
@Rusty6507
@Rusty6507 Жыл бұрын
Chin strap only jammed my jaw toward my neck and caused extreme pain within 5 minutes. And I still had mouth leak. Paper tape with a bit of lip balm to protect the lips solved my issue…taped vertically not horizontally.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@brianbaker359
@brianbaker359 10 ай бұрын
I use a full face mask on Auto BiPAP. I am a bad mouth breather and as a result suffered from dry mouth. I have been using 3M Micropore tape to seal my lips together. Surprisingly I adapted very quickly and every morning I wake up the tape is still adhering and my mouth is sealed shut. Not only no more dirt mouth but my AHI numbers are definitely lower. This morning AHI was 0.0 Certainly worth a try for 2 very good reasons.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for that input.
@pepsik133
@pepsik133 2 жыл бұрын
I have a full mask and severely dry mouth. Adjusted both the humidity and have a heated tube. I was told to take the extra humidifier out of my room as it was messing up the machines abilities to read the room. Now what do I do? Ty
@Jevandtieriel
@Jevandtieriel 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a bit disappointed as I have been through several masks and settled on the hybrid nose/mouth mask has the least leaks around my nose. I tape up my mouth every night using the 3m hypoallergenic paper tape. So no mouth leaks. I’ve been using a cpap machine for around 7 years and was really hoping to find a solution, as the dry mouth is causing repetitive infections. 😢 I’ve already got a heated hose which is way to warm to use on high here in summer as it’s already hot without breathing warm air too. The heated hose hets way hotter to feed it under the bed covers rather than over the top of my pillow. Sometimes I notice the heat makes my throat worse and turning the humidifier down gives me relief, other times turning it higher works.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry that you haven't been able to find resolution. Does not sound fun.
@NestaAstern
@NestaAstern 3 жыл бұрын
Thank yoy!!! 5-9-2021
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome.
@prayingforhealing4039
@prayingforhealing4039 2 жыл бұрын
My Auto Cpap is suppose to detect leaks. Is there anything on the data screen of a resmed 10 that would give me an indication? I don't have a person around to check in on me. I do use a lot of meds that dry my mouth out. Some days, it's even hard to open my mouth, as it is so dry. I am having problems with my teeth do to meds that cause dry mouth and possibly the Cpap. It doesn't happen all the time. Is there any kind of slim mouth guard that could be used. Im frustrated, I need the best sleep I can get and I need to protect my teeth.
@pauldalton1711
@pauldalton1711 Жыл бұрын
Well as you can see by my profile picture I have a full face beard and mustache. I have to use a nose pillow mask. None of the things you mentioned work for me. I have been told about mouth leak but I find that difficult to believe because this has only been a recent problem with the dry mouth. My mouth and lips are glued shut they are so dry and I have to open them carefully to pull my lips apart. The only thing I have found helpful is turning down the air pressure after learning how to hack the settings from another video I have watched.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the input. You certainly can only do so much to help, but if you are interested in a full face options we have found the AirTouch Full face to work well with beards. Link below to that mask. cpapmyway.com/store/cpap-masks/full-face-masks/resmed-airtouch-f20-full-face-mask
@samwarner2668
@samwarner2668 Жыл бұрын
I use a full face mask and still get dry mouth. Even have added a small nightstand humidifier. I am assuming the issue is actually that I take a number of medications, for chronic illness and such, that cause dry mouth. So I started falling asleep with a dry mouth lozenge in my mouth. Those are nice because they melt easily so are less likely to cause choking than some other things. But, I am still looking for things to try to help. This may be an “ask your sleep doc or physician” question but I’m posting in case anyone does have other ideas that help.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
If you have heated tubing and have the humidity all the way up, then it may be as good as you can do short of adding a room humidifier to your bedroom.
@pamelabarrell3153
@pamelabarrell3153 3 жыл бұрын
My CPAP was causing such dry mouth that I woke up thirsty every morning and have increased cavities because of it help!!!! I’m a mouth sleeper and have a full mouth mask.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Are you using a Heated Tube yet?
@julietbowron1448
@julietbowron1448 2 жыл бұрын
My dentist suggests using Biotene solution in the day as mouth dries. And put some Tooth Mousse (pea sized amount she said) to the teeth surfaces with a finger before bed. Reuse both if wake dry. The Biotene keeps mouth wetter & Tooth Mousse prevents dry mouth related tooth decay. Pity no one told you.😕 and good oral hygiene ( flossing daily, brushing teeth…) is vital to prevent cavities. Protect your teeth,! Avoid acidic foods like Coke! Sofas, fruit juices ( high in natural sugars). Actual fresh fruit & veg are vital. That matters too. Is there fluoride in your water? If not, at lease use a high fluoride toothpaste. Your dentist should be able to recommend local brands &/or supplements . Good luck!
@The77Game
@The77Game 3 жыл бұрын
I have tried everything except the room humidifier but i don't see how that would help. The air i'm breathing is getting water from the humidifier so what difference would it make that the air going into the machine has a bit more humidity? The machine i use hs the heated hose and therefore i can't chose humidity levels, only temperature levels and then it automatically adds the water. If the air around it was more humid it would just add less itself.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
I understand the question. However, adding a room humidifier has been helpful to others in the same situation. Worth a try if nothing else is an option I would say. Good luck.
@billdonohue2389
@billdonohue2389 Жыл бұрын
Have the full mask, last one you showed, still have terrible dry mouth. Humidity on the machine is not all the way up but almost.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Are you using a heated tube yet?
@frednieman9631
@frednieman9631 Жыл бұрын
Blue masking tape works well, easy to remove, and so far has not irritated my skin.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@Yahoo12
@Yahoo12 2 жыл бұрын
I have a full face mask with the ibreeze. It’s set 4-20 pressure autopap. It ramps up slowly, which I like. My old machine had forceful pressure that inflated my lungs & they hurt. However, 1-2 hours into sleep I suddenly wake up gagging to where I panic, felt suffocated ripped my mask off & pulled the plug to the machine. Sometimes I feel chest pressure & a pounding heart. I can’t get an answer from the nurse tech or my doctor. Do I need a pressure adjustment, get use to the sudden gagging or change masks? I had nasal pillows & a chin strap with no luck. I’m running out of options. What’s happening with the no air flow during the night?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
If there is a mask leak you may have the "auto off" kicking in and turning the CPAP off. That is all that I can think of off hand.
@susanlayton3613
@susanlayton3613 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information. I am brand new to CPAP and the problem I have seems to be air coming through my nose down my throat, into my mouth which bloats my cheeks and air has to escape through my pursed lips (with chin strap). So the inside of my lips literally stick to my teeth. I use the Yuka app in the grocery store and Biotene was rated Bad for Propylparaben an endocrine disruptor. As a breast cancer survivor, this is not an option. I will try the strips or tape. Thanks for all responses.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Good luck. Thanks for watching and for the input
@joypolk3093
@joypolk3093 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for info on Biotene.
@martinbachmann6283
@martinbachmann6283 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done + informative instructional-video for sure. One method I've successfully used in the past to keep mouth closed? Well, since I'm now bald in front, I simply obtain good quality duct-tape, and then starting underneath my chin, I wrap up and around the top +sides of my head VERY tightly..... this works every time.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Well.... that is one way to do it. Thanks for the input.
@orinhirschkorn5112
@orinhirschkorn5112 2 жыл бұрын
For those suffering with dry mouth. Try monitoring your sodium intake. My issues with dry mouth are not near as bad since I have cut back on my sodium intake.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Great input. Thank you!
@Tinyteacher1111
@Tinyteacher1111 2 жыл бұрын
I thought a bit of sea salt or Himalayan salt kept water in your body. No?
@kathrynellison5636
@kathrynellison5636 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@annavasiento6699
@annavasiento6699 3 жыл бұрын
Thank u, I'm on under nose cpap. Having lung disease.im switching.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input. Have a great day and good luck!!
@tracy3066
@tracy3066 Жыл бұрын
When I get dry mouth I suck on a Biotene dry mouth lozenge and that takes care of the issue.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@janicekalain2602
@janicekalain2602 Жыл бұрын
I have a ResMed how would you change . The air flow on it.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
That would depend on which ResMed model that you have. I would definitely consult with the doc before making big changes though. We do have settings videos on our channel for most models.
@krish.5823
@krish.5823 2 жыл бұрын
I use a full face, Death Valley for me. Humidity and heat are my COPD. Try again.
@thomascooper5668
@thomascooper5668 3 жыл бұрын
I have a full mask nose and mouth I get very dry mouth as sometimes I cannot breath threw my nose it is set at 5 what do you think
@sethushan706
@sethushan706 3 жыл бұрын
One question is if my CPAP Machine gives noise can I use it. I have changed everything new humidifier tube Mask all
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. But prob a good time to have it checked out. Repair Blog link below discusses this well. cpapmyway.com/blog
@maryduboispudd4969
@maryduboispudd4969 2 жыл бұрын
I have the full mask like the one you demo with and I still have air leaks and have a blister on my noise. What can I do.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
You may want to try the AirTouch from ResMed to help with the skin breakdown. It is very soft and may help tremendously. Link to that mask below. cpapmyway.com/store/cpap-masks/full-face-masks/resmed-airtouch-f20-full-face-mask
@colleenwagner193
@colleenwagner193 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried all except tape I used my own tape medical tape it was off my mouth by morning. I switched to full mask and it seemed worse . I just had gastric bypass I’m scared it’s stretching my new smaall belly. . Going to order the strips
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck and thank you for the input.
@barbarakennedy7956
@barbarakennedy7956 3 жыл бұрын
I will try a humidifier . I have a full mask but I have such dry mouth that I use bottles of dry mouth spray. I wake up two and three times a night and spray. Tried chin strap, to tight. Plus I wear a teeth splint for tmj. I hope the humidifier will help me.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Good Luck! Thanks for the input
@josephcampese5347
@josephcampese5347 2 жыл бұрын
Micropore tape. Way cheaper, more effective. Cut to your specific length and/or double up to cover thicker lips.
@paulastrow4520
@paulastrow4520 Жыл бұрын
I use a nasal cushion mask with a heated tube, chin strap and XyliMelt tablets. My humidity setting is high and my CPAP indicates I have good mask seal but I still have very bad dry mouth. I am fairly certain I could not sleep with a full facemask. I'd like to try the mouth tape but I have facial hair. Will the tape stick to give me a good seal and not painfully pull out my facial hair when I take it off in the morning?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
The mouth tape is worth a try for sure. It should not pull your hair too bad. We have others with beards that use them.
@fookutube501
@fookutube501 2 жыл бұрын
Sugar and acid free lollie all way work for me (15 years now).I bite them first and hide them under my lips or in my cheeks, it stimulate saliva .This work better with full mask,not so well with nosal mask . Chocolate work ,but its kinda messes
@fookutube501
@fookutube501 2 жыл бұрын
Got to mention.It doesn't stop the dry mouth it only prevent you from getting up and drinking water|(if you're lazy like me lol).Once you taste the lollie/sweets it start stimulating saliva,well for me it does
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the input on the dry mouth.
@jeannesullivan5392
@jeannesullivan5392 3 жыл бұрын
I have had horrible trouble with dry mouth in the morning, I have tried everything. I recently got the heated hose, but I have a so clean attached to my cpap and with the piece that hooks into the water reservoir from the so clean , the heated tubing cannot be plugged into the machine. I have the dream station..... I also have a humidifier in my room.....do you have any recommendations? Up until a couple months ago, I was using the amara clear view for years....... any help would be appreciated....thank you, jeanne
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
This DreamStation/SoClean adapter should help with the connection issue. You may also want to consider a full face option if you have continued dry mouth. SoClean/DreamStation Adapter: cpapmyway.com/store/dreamstation-socelan-adapter Full Face Mask options: cpapmyway.com/store/cpap-masks/full-face-masks
@user-hr3xw5es5b
@user-hr3xw5es5b 9 ай бұрын
What should humidity be set at
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 9 ай бұрын
Different for everyone. Best to start in the middle, then turn up if you are dry in the morning or turn down if you have excess condensation.
@annettebittman2683
@annettebittman2683 Жыл бұрын
I’m afraid to tape up for fear of choking on it sometime in the night.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@vintagedrumcollector
@vintagedrumcollector 3 жыл бұрын
Full face mask is 100% air flow through the mouth drying it out nonstop
@m.n.3490
@m.n.3490 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Full face mask, with humidifier & heated hose, and I usually get very bad dry mouth all night. I even refill the water level about 4 hours into my sleep time, so I know the water/humidity is being sent through the tube to the mask. Does anyone have an ACTUAL SOLUTION?
@headpump
@headpump 3 жыл бұрын
@@m.n.3490 Tape your mouth. Dermal tape at pharmacy. Cheap, works great.
@gigglybeast
@gigglybeast 2 жыл бұрын
Full face mask is the sure route to dry mouth.
@pouremilee
@pouremilee 2 жыл бұрын
Full face is even worse for dry mouth. That's my issue right now and I can't stand it.
@JamesTisch-pk9fd
@JamesTisch-pk9fd Жыл бұрын
Does this unit come with both a full face mask and a nose mask.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
It can for sure.
@alkafelts
@alkafelts 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the content provided. Unfortunately it couldn’t really help me since I don’t have a cpap. Just out of tonsillectomy and surgery for my nose and I can only breath out of my mouth. The worst pain ever.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. Good luck on a speedy recovery.
@MavMin
@MavMin Жыл бұрын
Even with the full mask and chin strap I have trouble keeping my mouth closed enough to avoid dry mouth.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
You may want to consider the mouth strips. Link below. They are really helpful and easy. cpapmyway.com/store/hush-mouth-strips
@debrascott4033
@debrascott4033 Жыл бұрын
The humidifier best to get and where? What is a good setting for humidity level on the ResMed Air Sense 11 do I use? It has been hard to adjust and I get terrible dry mouth during the night
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the auto setting with a climateline heated tube?
@janicedudley8594
@janicedudley8594 Жыл бұрын
Can I pay difference to get new station2 and my recalled machine?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
I do not think so. You can always buy a DreamStation 2 once they are available again.
@mikeg8022
@mikeg8022 Жыл бұрын
I was given a full mask set up. I have the humidity setting one notch below where there was moisture building up. Because I’m an extreme mouth breather i still get a terrible dry mouth as well as swollen a lot of the air getting bloated. Any suggestions?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
We are testing out a new resolution to this. Stay tuned. If it works well we will get a video out on it very soon.
@alittleofmeisallyouneed314
@alittleofmeisallyouneed314 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a mouth breather. I do use the tape shown across my mouth it does hold but expensive. I wish my med res took note of how many times my mouth dropped down as I would interrupt my sleep to check it when I check my nose seal. Thank you for addressing mouth breathing. It is the real cause of sleep apnea for me I realize on my own and is hardly mentioned. Until I breath through my nose and not my mouth I feel I cannot get a good night's sleep. Please advise me on that.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
You may want to switch it up to a full face CPAP mask. Many customers are really happy with that decision when they discover that they are mouth breathers.
@liebermb
@liebermb 2 жыл бұрын
You also need to consider the fact that some medication’s side effect is dry mouth.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly could be something to consider as well.
@Appregator
@Appregator 2 жыл бұрын
Flonase was recommended for me but I'm not sure if may have side effects after a while.
@mercurym-7904
@mercurym-7904 2 жыл бұрын
@@CPAPmyway I tried everything you mentioned and I still get severe dry mouth. 😫 Even the room humidifier clogs up the filter on my CPAP and doesn’t run properly and can potentially suffocate at night. I can’t win no matter how I try.
@jabroski69
@jabroski69 Жыл бұрын
Nope not at all
@lisal77
@lisal77 2 жыл бұрын
I have a full face mask and my mouth is completely dry. The humidity is all the way up. I have a dream station. What level should I start the heated tube at?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone is so different. The Tube temp should be adjusted as needed to keep moisture out of the tubing as you increase the humidity setting.
@blkluvla
@blkluvla Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yeah, in many cases the full mask is not the solution to dry mouth.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input.
@grh7399
@grh7399 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using the nasal mask forever with a chin strap and add oregano or eucalyptus in my water reservoir to open up my nasal passage. I would like to try the somnifix strips but I have a mustache.
@PhilVerryChannel
@PhilVerryChannel 2 жыл бұрын
My doctor told me upon start up, DO NOT do this. It is going into lungs.
@jenaccess4luv
@jenaccess4luv Жыл бұрын
Your not suppose to anything in the c pap reservoir. Only distilled water
@grh7399
@grh7399 Жыл бұрын
@@PhilVerryChannel I think that's pretty obvious, but I don't do this every night. What would the difference be if you used an inhaler (vicks) if your nasal passages are plugged up.
@grh7399
@grh7399 Жыл бұрын
@@jenaccess4luv I only use distilled water but sometimes when my nasal passages are blocked, I'll add 2 drops of eucalyptus oil. It opens up my nasal passages. I also drilled a hole in my water reservoir to pour the water through a small funnel. The reason for doing this is over time of filling it up with water night after night my machine started whistling because the water reservoir would become looser and looser over time. It got to be a fight to wiggle it around so it wouldn't whistle. So now I TAKE THE RESERVOIR OUT once a week and wash it good with dawn dish soap. I put a small cork in the hole I drilled and problem solved. When you wear a mask for over 20 years, you learn a few tricks to eliminate problems.
@Bigfishfun333
@Bigfishfun333 2 жыл бұрын
Chin strap works 100% for me.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
That is great. Thanks for the input.
@kathywright6947
@kathywright6947 3 жыл бұрын
Why does my humidifier go off every time I set it to on ?
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
I am really not sure. Doesn't sound right. I will say that the modern heated humidifiers will adjust on their own due to your homes humidity and temp if they need to. So that could be the reason.
@janetcully5732
@janetcully5732 3 жыл бұрын
can you use the so clean machine with the dream station 2. the water chamber is closed and does not allow you to put the hose directly in the chamber? I have used it for years with the past cpap machine. Please let me know if there is a way.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can. We have a video that will drop today on that. Stay tuned.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 3 жыл бұрын
Here is the video for SoClean and DreamStation 2 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fK2Aiad2sJjPm4k.html
@cjn6156
@cjn6156 2 жыл бұрын
I recently tried a Resvent CPAP machine. When using that machine I had a serious problem with dry mouth. I did NOT have the problem when using the DreamStation. When I switched back to the DreamStation, the problem with the dry mouth stopped. The medical supply company is trying to tell me that the problem could be 'mouth breathing' ... as you described in your video. Logically, I don't think I that explains the problem since the dry mouth only happens with the new machine. Do you think my logic is faultly? Is it possible that the machine is causing me to breathe through my mouth? Note: I have tried adjusting the 'humidity' level on the Resvent machine .... even went to the highest setting (8) ...... still had a problem with dry mouth.
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
One downside on the iBreeze is that there is not a heated tubing option. A heated tube will allow more humidity to be delivered. So it may be the system restricting the humidity due to your ambient conditions. You may be correct.
@jxprez
@jxprez 2 жыл бұрын
I recently started using a resvent cpap machine with a full face mask and am getting dry mouth, lips and throat. I have raised the humidity level and I believe there is a heating element under my water case. I do live in the Midwest where it’s humid this time of year. My house is normally temp locked at 69 degrees. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
@terrymccorkle1674
@terrymccorkle1674 2 жыл бұрын
I have been wearing a full face for years and still have dry mouth and it has a heated tube
@CPAPmyway
@CPAPmyway 2 жыл бұрын
There are times where people have a tough time no matter what.
@Champsvisions3d
@Champsvisions3d 2 жыл бұрын
I have very bad dry throat. My mouth is closed humidity never get really work 1-5 it is the same
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