James and Steve sample an experiment of a 15-Minute Saison recipe comparing T-58 and Belle Saison dry yeasts.
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@donosborn6 жыл бұрын
Really fun idea to be able to do a blind triangle test on yourself. Congrats on being able to pick the odd one out. Thanks for sharing.
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Don!
@BeerReview6 жыл бұрын
Nice experiment. I think everyone that is making beer should do stuff like this to find out what yeast can do. Cheers
@allnet1356 жыл бұрын
You guys crack me up, good video and thank you for your time and effort doing these videos.
@RayBilyk6 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on getting 'em! LOL! I really want to try this experiment also! Thanks for the inspiration!!! Happy Festivus!
@redpiper16 жыл бұрын
I made your 15 minute the week your video came out and had to use the belle yeast because I couldn't get the rustic yeast here. That batch fermented like a volcano. Went absolutely nuts. Wonderful beer and without a doubt it'll be one of my regulars. But yes, that belle yeast really likes sugar :-) Another great video and thanks!
@charliezielinski53346 жыл бұрын
damn that's a high final gravity for Saison!
@BeerByTheNumbers6 жыл бұрын
Interesting experiment, you can even see some difference visually in the glass. Cheers!
@shorttermhobbyist6 жыл бұрын
the beard is looking good james. grow strong!
@andyo08376 жыл бұрын
Great video! Cheers!
@MH-sp7te6 жыл бұрын
Another great and interesting episode, guys! I’ve got an update borne out of your past episode on the Count Chocula stout; I decided to take up the challenge of a stout brewed with Lucky Charms cereal, and here are my results: Extract brew based on Northern Brewer’s “Irish stout” kit. OG - 1.057 FG - 1.010 ABV - 6-6.5% Specialty grains - 1lb roasted barley Malt bill - 6lbs gold LME, 1lb golden light DME, both added at start of boil. Hops - 2oz Cluster at start of boil. Additions - 1 entire box of Lucky Charms cereal at end of boil, steeped for 30 minutes as wort cools. Yeast - Wyeast 1084. Procedure - primary 7 days, secondary 14 days, bottled 2 weeks. End result - Tasty variation on the classic dry Irish stout. *Super* dry, medium mouthfeel, notes of licorice (surprising to me) and dark fruit on the palate. Black as night with moderate head retention and no discernible lacing. All in all, more reminiscient of a RIS than a true-to-style Irish stout.
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I would have thought you'd have to mash the cereal, but it sounds like it turned out well without it. Thanks for the update! - James
@xsdev6 жыл бұрын
Love these kind of experiments! How hard are those 3 gallon primo water bottles to clean post fermentation? I would think the handle area would be a nightmare.
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
Very easy to clean. I mix a scoop of automatic dishwasher powder with very hot water in the fermenter and fill it to the top. After soaking overnight, all of the gunk is dissolved. I rinse very well afterwards. There is no smell or any other evidence of the soap. You can also use PBW. - James
@epswen6 жыл бұрын
Fermentis released a new saison yeast earlier this year. Safale BE-134. I would be interested to see what your thoughts are on that yeast. In my opinion, it is better suited for Saisons then the T-58.
@philipsl19836 жыл бұрын
I made an experiment with belle saison vs. be-134 a month ago or so had interesting results . I sent James a message about it didn't have a reply from him. My homebrew club had interesting conclusions. be-134 if much more fruitier but less peperish notes. I not a fan of saison beers but the be-134 is great.
@ShortCircuitedBrewers6 жыл бұрын
Great episode. One question. Should you use opaque glasses so you do not have visual cues on differences?? The 1 triangle test I have done with a group was done with opaque glasses. I have used the Belle Saison recently, I did not get a lot of "Saisony" character either. More "Belgiany" than any "horse blanket" or spicy flavors. Cheers!🍻
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
If we were trying to isolate flavors and aromas, using opaque glasses might help, although the difference in head retention would still have been very evident. I was wanting to do a total sensory comparison, including appearance as well. In this way, the Belle Saison's retention characteristics were clearly shown, which may be a factor in choosing which one to use. - James
@ShortCircuitedBrewers6 жыл бұрын
basicbrewing yep I get it.. Great video
@hivepa1906 жыл бұрын
I know a retired brewer that makes the best saisons that I’ve ever had and he swears by cranking up the temperature. Do you think fermenting at 80 instead of 70 would make a greater distinction between yeasts? It also seems like there are a lot of “new” saison and farmhouse strains becoming available. It would be neat if you presented a list across brands of similar (same) strains.
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
Increasing the temperature might accentuate differences. This may be an experiment to revisit in the summertime. - James
@FornitzKyllin6 жыл бұрын
How did you manage to not ferment belle saison bone dry? All my experience is that it will end around 98-04
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
FornitzKyllin It might have something to do with the fermentability of the extract. -James
@danst.pierre13686 жыл бұрын
So you both didn't have a preference but you both picked up #3 at the end lol cheers
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
We may have been drinking beer. :-)
@spinzwood82906 жыл бұрын
Wow.. chinny whiskers.. Now a true brewer LOL
@JoeyDoingThings6 жыл бұрын
Banana notes? That’s not appropriate for a saison. I’d suggest a lower starting temp, and ramp up the heat a few days into it. You shouldn’t get that banana note that way.
@basicbrewing6 жыл бұрын
The banana notes were very subtle. The spicier notes were more prominent. I fermented at room temp (around 70F) and let the natural fermentation take over. - James