And still a ugly bike😂😂😂

Japanese bikes r much better!

Italian bikes are wayyy sexier

My heart scream Ducati & my brain works it out as Kawasaki...at the end of the day I got both Japanese & Italian 🥰

True ! Lol

Yes is true. But it is like saying a Honda civic (fast and the furious) is more reliable than a Lambo. Or that an SUV is cheaper to maintain than a rocket ship. They are really in a different category. The feeling of riding a Ducati and the sound is so different. Harley riders will never compare a Harley with a Gixxer. It is a completely different experience. I have owned 8 motorcycles, but I am glad I bought a Ducati Supersport 950s before I turned 50. Man that is by far the best bike I have ever ridden. It is not only fast, but its handling and steering feel like telepathy. The bike reads your mind and does what you are thinking. It feels like you are skiing down the highway. Every move and every gesture you make - the bike picks up on. It is just feels like a very obedient and subservient Margot Robbie.

Heated grips you can easily add, but yeah agreed

You wont believe this

This is one of the two main reasons why I decided not to buy a supersport in the end

Is the Ninja 1000 the same bike as the z1000cx?

@@MyscBigdrop no it is not

@@XaeroIFBB well I meant z1000sx ofc and they are the same bike.

Yes, Ducati are not reliable. But they just look and ride great. Given that I ride on roads 99% and on racetrack 1%, I need to ride within speed limits. Ducati also has that flat torque so it feels great and that max torque is actually where you need it and use it daily.

How does it not have Character? Have you taken one out for a spin? All Jap bikes? Have you tried the R1 or FZ10 with the cross plane motor? LOTS OF CHARACTER! Plus, Jap Bikes don't break down and leak oil for unknown reasons. Lots to consider when buying an Italian bike. Only Italian Bike I will probably ever own will be a Tuono.

"Character" Why because it doesn't make fart sounds? Another bullshit hipster catch phrase.

S2000? The Z?

So are their bikes, including the Kawi. Butt ugly.

fred: I agree, and I own one (2017 model). There's a lot to like about the bike; it is reliable, looks good and has good electronics, etc. But it doesn't really have any personality. It's too sterile, too clean. I'm most likely selling mine and buying something else. Maybe a Vulcan S. Only engine config I haven't owned yet is parallell twin and V4 (and 6 cylinder, but they're so rare). I've owned a Hayabusa, so nothing else will ever excite me again in the performance department (had to sell it because my wrists are fucked up). So I'll have to look at other things, like sound and general "feel" of the bike. The Z1000SX has no sound to speak of. And to rectify that you have to strip the whole bloody exhaust and slap on a full aftermarket one. The damn silencer box under the frame takes away anything resembling sound, so it doesn't do much when you change just the muffler. And, this may be because my previous bike was a 190ish hp 1300cc space rocket (GSX-R 1300), but I find the Z1000SX really sluggish and not very exciting. That said, it has plenty of torque all through the rev range, which is great for touring. But they really should have given that bike more than 142 horses; certainly considering the high price of the bike. 160-170 would probably have made a good difference, and put it more around the Yamaha MT-10 performance level. I do not agree with your general statement about all jap bikes and cars though. I also own a second bike; a Suzuki DR-Z 400. I adore that bike, I find it loads more fun than the Z1000SX and will choose that one maybe 8 out of 10 times when I'm going for a ride. It's not fast, it's not pretty, but I can beat the hell out of it and it doesn't complain, and I can ride it absolutely anywhere, from the highway to mountain trails to tractor roads (running 50/50 tires on it). Pretty sad about the Z1000SX. I spent months figuring out which bike I wanted, and unfortunately I chose wrong.

That is stupid, it beats the purpose of the intended design.

Thats what a Pinagale V2 is supposed to be not the CC but the intended design.

so did I!

So did i :D

I've had one for 3 years now absolutely love it. Oh yeah... That's after downsizing from my beloved ZZR 1200 which I still have.

idk why i love you

Eh, I've owned a Supersport S for two years now, and I test rode the 899. They're extremely similar, the biggest difference I noticed is the riding position.

I have done 200 miles on a Ducati Supersport 950 S. And I have done 1300 mile days on BMWs. The Ducati ain't no sport tourer. Anything more than 200 miles, I am missing my BMW.

Totally agree

And no Ohlins

@Sports Good Have you actually rode one ?

Kris-B-Crunch ! And? Thats 35 more hp! And more torque... Funny when people talk about this! When I upgraded my supra to have 20 more hp i felt the difference! Same weight! And thats a car! 3500lbs and 20 hp are noticeable! So 54 lbs on a bike with 35 more hp is still way better!

redboatandrew and?

The point is that a Ducati just feels like a superior product. In the vicinity of a Lambo or Ferrari. Kawasaki is great, but somehow I have always felt a stronger connection to Italian bikes. The rumble of a Ducati is just poetry. I keep my Ducati in my living room. I look at it damn all day.

rondar2 that's the dilemma I ran into myself.

GSX S1000F VFR800 - I think it may be discontinued, but they're easy to get cheap VFR1200- Discontinued Ducati Supersport Ninja 1000/ SX MV agusta Stradale 800 KTM- superduke GT Motus MST BMW-R1200 RS If you want something a little more roomy, but still a little sporty I guess you can choose the BMW S1000XR or Ducati Multistrada..

I don't think the long legged ones are in this same category

Heated grips aren't expensive either. My 2017 Z1000SX came with heated grips from the dealer. Didn't pay much for it. Grips are much better too than the standard ones, which are a bit skinny. Cruise control is an entirely different matter though. And considering what the bike costs, it really should be included.

I think it's rupees, the currency in India

It's South African Rands. They live in South Africa.

The z1000sx is a bike for people looking for an actual sports tourer.

I can. If you're that concerned about close corners then it's unclear why you purchased a sports tourer?

Hari haran but thats personal preference ...

sudeep ok - Test Ride Sudeep, try before you buy. You'll probably end up with the Triumph, they really are a nice place to sit, all their bikes are really comfortable, and the list of official optional extras is huge. but yeah, test ride and see which works better for you because buying a bike is a lot like marriage, it's better to be happy than unhappy, and end up lose half your money in the divorce 😉

RSA Jay, that's a god answer. But I would add that, Sudeep, you are talking about two completely different motorcycles that fulfill completely different roles, so the choice will be even more difficult. It all depends on what riding you are thinking of doing. I'm not sure I'd like to do a 1000km trip on the Triumph but then again, around town on a Z1000SX would not be as much fun.

I would, for a good set of reasons: 1 - MUCH more power, 2 - MUCH more torque, 3 - fairing, 4 - traction control, 5 - power modes, and (this is personal) 6 - MUCH more beautiful. Still, take our friend RSA Jay's advice and test ride them. You will only know if you like the bike after you've ridden it. Peace, man!

and not to mention overheated hydraulic fluid in the shock affect its performance too.

Which one you talkin' about?

Ducati Supersport S

Thanks, I've taken a liking to the Z1000SX so I hoped it wasn't the one you were talking about.

theres still fluid in the shock. its the fluid in the shock that controls its movement

Depends how far you want to travel, i rode 1600 km in a week with my Daytona 675 3 years ago, 2 weeks ago i did the same trip with trip with my second bike, a cbr1100xx blackbird. Quite a big difference on how many breaks i had to take, how fresh i felt upon arrival and the time it took getting there. The first 800km was more than 3 hours faster on the Blackbird, much more comfortable and better windprotection. Didn't stop for more than gas and a fast snack.

Look at the guy making that comment. Huge gut.

They are for me!

Hope your wrists enjoy the long ride :D

That's interesting actually - I've a MY2016 Z1000sx and it is extremely buzzy around 7k-8k rpm (probably the level you're at with 160kmph in 6th). Anything that negates this buzzyness would transform the bike. Also, no mention of the tyres. The OEM tyres on the previous version were awful... No wait, awful is too kind a word, I mean super terrible. I've never had a set of tyres I've hated so much on a bike before and I know from forums and friends that I am certainly not alone. Hope they changed those too...

Have the same 2016 model and have never noticed any buzziness that people keep talking about. As for the stock tires, I've had several front end slides in the rain that gave me a scare. Love the bike, but it could lose about 50 pounds and gain about 30-40 horsepower to make it more exciting and competitive.

Maybe the previous commenter did not break-in the engine properly?

Mine was from new, and run in properly, so no previous owner effect there. Spoke to the dealer about it who said "yeah, that happens, just ride through it"...

The tires on the 2017 model are horrendous as well. I ordered mine with a Metzeler Roadtec front tyre, as I heard lots of negatives about the stock one. Front tire is still great, but the rear tyre was basically destroyed after 4-5000 kms. So now I've changed the rear tyre as well.

Treat them both like you’re renting them!

No. Kawa puts out 0,60 hp pr kg and 111 Nm of torque - Ducati puts out 0,53 hp pr kg and 96,7 Nm of torque. Quite the difference. Still, I'm sure the Ducati is fun to ride, but I'd still take the Kawa (I actually own a 2017 model). I will say that the Ducati is a bit sexier though, and has better sound stock. Edit: and the engine on the Kawa is about 100 cc's bigger.

Thomas Evers balls have gone weak lol

Yep, there's weight... and they didn't even mention it.

I just sold a vfr that i enjoyed for years and now have a Ninja 2015 1000 abs US, the difference is night and day between the two, the Kawi is way more fun to ride, the v4 honda is smooth all day long, but so is the ninja, the ninja can be buzzy but that happens in the higher range of the rpms

by then your going way over legal US speed limits

larry I bought 2014 VFR looks great, drives even better, engine is not punchy at lower revs, vtec is something you have to get used to, i am waiting for power commander to arive, maybe it will give this smooth engine a bit edge

Dennis M You can get hard luggage for the Supersport, I know this because my mate has just brought a Duke and got the panniers last week.

Did you mean Duc? HA! I thought you meant KTM Duke. I got confused there! SO if the Ducati has a hard bag option that is cool. Thanks for the clarification. I would still take the Kawi, but the bags make the Supersport much more useable on the road for sure. Thanks for sharing!

The hard luggage for supersport is, unfortunately, crappy. That was one of the reasons I've went with z1Ksx. The Ducati so-called "hard" luggage uses zippers to lock. Yep, the ones you can open up with a ballpoint pen. Oh, and you have to install the frames that look ugly when panniers are off the bike. With kawa it's so much nicer - just two clicks and you removed the panniers and the tail looks quite tidy.

That is unfortunate. I did manage to see a picture of them installed on a bike and I was not impressed. They are smallish and look pretty much like an afterthought. I did not realize that they were that cheesy, though. At least the luggage system I have on the GSX1250FA are Full-on OEM'd Givi V35 bags with a provision to add a top case, so I can go on the road and really go on the road! And the structure doesn't look too bad when the bags are off the bike either. Not to mention this beautiful beast of an under-stressed engine! Loststylus, Congrats on the Ninja 1000. I think you made a great choice.