That's how you recognize it is a classic

As if it will ever stop rocking! 😎🤘

the best of this fuckin OST )

KRAFTWERK2K6 damn its good

Rockin!!!

Tha Yamaha 88 matches up pretty well tbh

I kinda feel some of the composers might’ve abused the reverb and delay a little too much back then.

I used "chaos midi 8-12mb" midibank with my X-FI card. sounds were much better back then than a poor common midi sounds.

Lee Jackson and Bobby Prince were really the lords of midi music, and I love it.

@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 To me, only Lee Jackson's pieces have some depth and are of enough quality to be nice to listen to. Bobby Prince's tracks are OK during gameplay and often have catching tune but otherwise are very simple and after a while pretty boring and repetitive.

@@Paar86 thats how i feel about the soundtrack as well, for some reason bobby's tracks feel kinda underwhelming and feel more ambient in a way, which is strange considering he made good tracks in doom, despite alot of his music was taken from the popular metal bands playing at that time, he still had plenty of good tracks that wernt ripped off from them,

3d realms/gearbox could make millions on doing this alone. Pair it with a Tshirt and some signed goodies by the original devs and you have literal gold. i'd buy it

+fossilfern The Yamaha DX50 was very good and cheap, and the Gravis Ultrasound was good but expensive

+fossilfern A MIDI driver plus the cheap (and antique) Voice Crystal GM 4MB sound slots nicely between the sound of a GUS and an SC-55. It's a distant relative to the official GUS bank though few sounds are shared.

What a coincidence! Mt friend's Dad who is a sound engineer, producer and singer owned 4 sound Canvas modules plus a Yamaha MU50. Back in the early 90s my friend's Dad owned a Roland SC-55 plus an SD-35 which is basically an SC-7 with a built in floppy disk drive. As a child I often used to be allowed to take the SD-35 home and borrow it to use with my Yamaha PSS-790 and Casio CT-700 keyboards and in the end my friend's Dad let me keep the SD-35 so growing up I had the luxury of being able to play back midi files using my very own Roland Sound Canvas module. Back at the studio was an SC-55 and I was often invited over there to do some song cover backing tracks with my friend Lisa until Lisa's Dad sold the SC-55 in 1996 to buy an SC-88vl. The SC-88vl was also amazing especially for 1996 although I preferred some of the sounds on the SC-55 like the clean guitar, trombone and fretless bass ( many of the SC-55's sounds are based on the Roland U series modules ), I certainly really liked the SC-55 because back in the 90s it was more widely used. Then in 1998 the SC-88vl was sold to buy an SC-88 Pro which seemed a little ahead of it's time but it started becoming more widely used but in 2005 my friend's Dad decided to sell is sound modules and hardware after buying Reason and knew I would like them so he sold them to me and I bought them with some compensation money from when I broke my arm at respite in 2003. Very recently I bought a Roland SC-8850 and at the wekend I'm hoping to place a bid on a Korg 05R/W but I'm also going to buy another SC-55 next time one is listed in my country.

It's not too late to buy a Sound Canvas module if you want one, I would reccomend getting an SC-88 Pro if you can because it has all the SC-88 sounds in addition to another map of new sounds including higher quality pianos, strings and saxophones. The SC-88 Pro is still usable for modern music productions, some producers still use it.

Yeah, going godmode with all weapons feels like you're the (original) Terminator 😅

@R. Abdala True!!

Doesn't work, i tested, its shit, only sc-55 font works

Could you explain

Probably because you used different midi

it was composed on an sc88 though? minus bobby's stuff.

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This one and Departure were the shiz!

​@@johannkuhne1501departure is fucking amazing

+Blaze Rhodon That's by no coincidence; most of these old general MIDI tracks were composed on a SC-55 or an SC-88

@Django Fett I meant synthesizer, now I know that there was many different MIDI synthesizers but most MIDI tracks were written for Roland SC-55 and SC-88 Pro. However today you can easily convert old MIDI files with MIDIPlayer 2 using BassMIDI soundfont with similar sounding like Roland SC-88 Pro.

+Funboringness Winn try that one next.

+Funboringness Hehe, thanks for your support ;)

It uses the MIDI general but it sounds nowhere near as good as the SC-55 or even MT-32.

InfernoDukem : It uses the SC-55 instruments, but samples are badly compressed, and the hardware effects (chorus, reverb....) are not implemented. So it plays the 'flat' samples in low quality.

+Arachnosoft - Maxime Abbey Arachno is my go-to soundfont of choice. Absolutely gorgeous sound. Wish I'd found it before more recently.

You could just load a sound font using bass midi or virtual synth.

True, if only I could find one; I've looked everywhere lol

SpenceDaFence ikr

If I find one I'll be sure to post it here.

@@no.mids.brando6458 8 years late, but here it goes. Google "HiDef (my 4GiB Roland SC-88Pro SoundFont)"

Challenge accepted. Hear from me next year.

i love that after learning Law and order (bobby being a lawyer) he knew how to make music similar to peoples music so close to them, without making it actually plagerized.

Yep, Bobby Prince was more serious with predictable and reliable patterns, Lee Jackson was more eccentric and complex.

Yes, here you are kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9GRdrNzu7qUlWw.html

SC-88 Pro? 🥺

PowerLeef It's because the SC-88 was one of the best MIDI soundfonts to use. It sounds almost like a CD quality track in a way

That's the beauty of MIDI, it sounds as good as your patches. Unfortunately very few had actual good MIDI synthesizers, and with Windows, the Microsoft wavebanks are very poor, to a point where the music becomes laughable.

Most probably the low cost USB/MIDI converters are the problem. I have noticed several very unusual symptoms during recording of both soundtracks. Incorrect or missing instruments are just two of them. The fact is the Yamaha MU-80 is more sensitive, unfortunately I have noticed the missing bass when the recording was already uploaded.

Would getting a Roland MIDI/USB cable for an SC-D70 fix the issue?

WRONG. Duke Nukem 3d was really popular also. I remember all the BBS sites running Duke tournaments and stuff.

In retrospect, I consider Duke 3D much better game than Quake, even though it's still 2.5D engine. Still, nothing tops Doom.

Quake is a really grim and depressing game. The only weapon that’s actually fun is the nail gun and ammo for that is like hen’s teeth.

The idea that some art become obsolete because something more high-tech comes out is the definition of stupidity. Never heard of ION FURY? DUSK? AMID EVIL? Duke Nukem Forever was going to be bad by the way, because too much influenced by the ultra boring Half-Life. PHANTOM FURY will be Duke Forever done right.

And BLOOD is still one of the best FPS of all time: build engine - 1997.

sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom Duke is there too.

No by 1996 Lee Jackson bought a Roland SC-88. But before that Lee Jackson used various computer sound card synthesizers when he composed the music for Rise of the triad. He even made his own custom soundbank for Adlib Sound Blaster which is based on the Creative Music Synth patches.

+ゴンザレスアレハンドロ Make sure channel 10 is not in percussion mode or using bank 127. Just reset the Sound Canvas. (I am late, I know!)

Nope, it is supposed to have a synth brass drone patch. The sawtooth you mention that is played on the MIDI file normally without extra modification is extra patches meant for the OPL FM Synth.

You're right! I went in and made edits to the MIDIs and it sounds better when I remove tracks that have "FM" at the start of their title (and one unnecessary track titled "GUS Bass" in "Stalker").

Second.

SpaceMarineITA Hi, no. It was recorded directly from running game.

+SpaceMarineITA *late ass response. Just listenin' to nostalgia.* The SC-88 has twice the ROM (8MB) of the SC-55 Mk-II and many of the default GM patches are modified or replaced with the new waves. Each newer model adds non-GM patches. The SC-88 Pro has 40(?)MB and many more patches still are replaced. IMO the quality of many patches went down but it was possible to switch back. This model did introduce a lot of new features and some pretty sweet ethnic and pad sounds. The SC-8850 has 64MB and sounds good but unbalanced in classic games. The SC-8820 lacks the 8850's new pianos and stereo strings...not that they were good anyway (compared to pro Roland gear). For classic gaming I would stick to the SC-55 MkII. It has a few more voices and an improved ROM (4MB vs 3MB) over the SC-55 or SC-50. Most importantly it is the General MIDI that almost all game developers wrote their GM tracks on. Duke Nukem 3D is one of a very few games that used something newer. But admit it: For DOS games it's FM, AWE or bust. That's what most had. XP #Dork

How hard would it be to find a SC55-88 ?

MultiGuy Not too hard. They appear on eBay somewhat regularly. I recommend the SC-55 Mk-II if you're going for the 'pure' sound DOS musicians used. The SC-88 and newer have modified ROMS even in compatible mode and different effects. Unfortunately you should expect to pay as much as $200 after shipping to get one. Alternatively the MU-80, MU-100 and MU-128 from Yamaha will all provide you pretty much the exact same sound as a DB50XG would.

Wasn't the Mark2 also 18-bit and had better DACs?

Hi, interesting. I also noticed different instrument on channels A04 and A05. Can you check its name? Try to reset the module to GS, maybe some advanced midi file changed some settings. "INST EDIT" + "INSTRUMENT ->" pressed together. Confirm with ALL.

Sorry for the late reply, I ended up getting this fixed. Thanks for the help.

***** I understand that. The difference in quality is what I was getting at. MIDI is MIDI technically, but the difference between MIDI on a PC using "SoundBlaster compatible" harware (or software emulation) compared to this actual MIDI hardware is not something you can say "It's the same thing". It's technically the same. If I bought sheet music and read the notes out loud, it's technically the same as a composer using an orchestra to play the notes. That is to say, it's not at all the fucking same.

No, I got you. I didn't word it very well myself to begin with anyway (I do this alot..), calling them different "versions" when they really are one in the same. MIDIs make me think of classical music, where everyone is playing the same sheet music, but it might still sound a little different at each performance. I'd call it different versions, others would say it's still the same song. I wanna call it a potato/potato issue, but I am pretty off about it anyway. Incedentelly (or not, I forgot I was replying to DN3D and not DooM), from what I've heard the SNES version of DooM really is a different version. Someone with a better ear for it than me said the SNES one has slightly different arrangements and timings on some tracks.

+Borris G (Totally Goatally) You can actually install software synths and wavetables on Windows that are far better than the crappy included one. Just compare the default "MS Wavetable Synth" so something like the one on some recent soundblaster cards (like an Audigy 2). You can actually switch mid-playback on most software players. (Im currently using the SGM V2.01 Wavetable and its like awakening in a totally different world compared to the Microsoft one)

+Borris G (Totally Goatally) I go with the AWE because it is the best I can afford and was common in the era. I just use the 1MB ROM supplemented with the official synthgs 512K so I get the extra drum kits. It sounds like complete shit and therefore perfect. x3 Of course, an AWE/SB32 (mine) will load the 8MB Creative and 4MB Voice Crystal banks.

Exactly. You should have called it OPL or FM or something along those lines. :)

THE BIGGIE Z Only for some tracks, since this game had two composers, the man who composed DOOM and Lee Jackson. Lee Jackson uses newer tech, but the DOOM composer used SC-55

@@theobserver4214 Oh! I didn't know that! That DOES explain why some tracks have seemed to sound better on one module than the other.

Wtf! I dont get it! You mean the second Level, MUSIC = Stalker ?