As much as I love Part 1 I think it’s a missed opportunity for Denis and WB to not release an extended version especially before releasing part 2. Dune universe is huge and they should’ve learned from the success of LOTR..

My hope is that Villenueve ends up making a ‘super cut’ and combines part 1 & 2 (along with all the deleted scenes) into one film

As you said, they're seeking the largest audience possible, and an R rating would impede that. Villeneuve doesn't need to show gore, blood, or nudity to convey what he wants. He's an absolute master of subtlety.

Honestly, I think it can go either PG-13 or R. The first thing that came to mind that would garner the latter are the scenes with the Harkonnens. They murder, exploit and abuse men, women and children in the book, so if they choose R maybe Denis will push the violence in that way to critique the abuse of power amongst the houses. If they choose PG-13 it'll probably be suggested at like Part One. I personally hope he goes the R route, because the dark nature of the oppression and control over every single planet and their populations is one of Herbert' critiques I really want to see explored.

Just look at Kynes stabbing scene as an example. Not only do they not show the blade, they just show a spray of water from her stillsuit catchpockets. It was a very creative way to get around showing blood, but is almost surreal in its unreality.

I want the higher rating and want to see all the deleted scenes.

Two things: - Beast's decapitations of the Atreides soldiers were blurred out by the fire. The LOTR trilogy had a significant amount of decapitations. - The scene where Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli search for Merry and Pippin in the Two Towers had the Uruks bodies piled up and burned by Eomer and the Rohirrim... And those films are PG-13 (and there are plenty of other scenes that have a lot of brutality in that trilogy). The only R rated sequences I found in this movie were Paul's visions of Duncan's death, Chani's hand drenched, as well as the Sardaukar recruits sacrifice (like you mentioned Rali). So, what I'm trying to say is that Dune part 2 could still be PG-13 but will be as intense as the previous film. I still hope part 1 gets an extended edition. And yes, the scene that I think will be most intense will possibly be Shaddam IV wanting more cowbell. Nice work Rali. Keep it up.

Still waiting to see Alia Atraties.

Pretty sure that the original script for Dune: Part 1 did have a Water of Life sequence, where it was depicted as a general orgy: "The mood is ecstatic, communal. Some Fremen sway in a trance. Others lie staring at the ceiling. Some cling to each other, *erotically*, shedding their robes."

I doubt it will happen, but I would love Villeneuve for all time if he included a super-quick Paul future vision of the God Emperor! 😈

We REALLY need the big time director’s cuts of these movies!!

What you think about Tim Blake Nelson statement he did cameo role in Dune part two...could he be count fanring?

I don't think we even have a PG-15 rating here in the US. It goes from PG-13 straight to R. As long as you make a really good film, you can fill seats in a theater easily. Especially if those films win Best Picture or even get nominated. I've seen intensely violent films like Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, 300, Braveheart and even The Passion of The Christ. And Schindler's List. And The Kingdom of Heaven. Obviously, none of those were meant for the eyes of small children and delicate wallflowers, but they were all extremely powerful, impactful and many won various awards and had major word-of-mouth, theater seat filling power. Now at the end of the day, as an adult who's been an adult for quite some time, I don't need the movies I watch sterilized. I don't want them sterilized. Show me blood in a battle scene. If I watch a war combat scene, I expect that there's going to be blood, it SHOULD have some blood. Not for gratuitous purposes, but for Realism's sake. So yeah, give me an R rated Dune. The teenagers are going to sneak in or come in with their parents or older siblings anyway. I remember seeing Scarface with Al Pacino when I was 18. Now Dune Part Deux doesn't need to be THAT violent of course, but I've got no problems with it being Gladiator, 300 or Braveheart level violent. How many of us visiting this particular KZfaq channel are kids after all? I suspect we're all adults here. As for sex & nudity, I agree with Secrets that an orgy depiction for The Water Of Life scene is Not necessary and not even accurate to Herbert's source material. So leave that out. And once again, I still want an Extended Cut version of Parts 1 & 2 on 4K Blu-Ray.

Well... The post-"Water-of-Life" orgy might be a bit much for anything short of an "R" rating (so I doubt they'll go very far down that road...)

My guess is rather than cutting straight to the last battle of the book (blowing the shield wall etc), we'll see some battles added to show the progress of the war leading up to that point.

I feel like we should see a trailer for this movie soon and I can’t fuggin wait!

I am really curious how they plan to show and explain the water of life, properly, in the movie.

Villeneuve, and his editor, say 'seeing the cut scenes is like see the rubble a sculptor leaves behind'. And I agree with this.

Harkonnens are pretty R rated... But I think we won't see their real brutality.

"More blood in Part 2"? Not per se - but if there is to be blood, let us have more of the Villeneuvian take on violence: let it be violence that gives pause, not titillates: that WOULD be in keeping with the tone of Herbert's Dune...

Ok fremen are inspired by arab-speaking and arab-influenced communities. Could you imagine if the spice orgy was chorographed like that ritual dancing that some muslim communities sometimes do? There was even a TED talk about how rythm and and dancing can produce visions and extatic states in people, it would so cool to have this concept intertwined with how spice influences the mind Edit: apparently it's part of sufi tradition, I'd love to learn more about this so if anyone knows more about this please enlighten me!

Great video, as always. I think they will play it safe, given that Dune Part 1 was only mildly profitable. In order for there to be any hope of Denis adapting Messiah in a few years, this one needs to perform as well, or better. That being said, I hope that they push the PG-13 rating to the limit.

I'm pretty confident that Villeneuve can imply a lot of the violence and sexual content without having it being done implicitly onscreen. A lot of it can be suggested and then pick and choose the most important elements shown explicitly onscreen without pushing over the pg13 rating. I would be very surprised if they are aiming for a 15 certificate. Censors can sometimes be more lenient when something is vitally important to the story. Even if they ask for a few seconds here and there to be trimmed.

The American PG-13 rating reason that is given is rather vague on the website: "sequences of strong violence, some disturbing images and suggestive material" In the UK the BBFC provides much more detail for their reasoning for the "12" certificate. Violence Scenes include close-quarters combat with bladed weapons, including slashes and stabbings resulting in brief sight of blood. There is occasional focus on bloodied blades, or blood on hands and clothes. Other sequences depict large scale attacks in which ships and buildings are bombed and explode, and a number of deaths caused by toxic gas. Threat and horror Scenes of threat include characters being pursued and attempting to escape giant worms, flying through a sandstorm, fleeing from explosions, being held at knife point, and being targeted by remote devices that inject poison. A character is left paralysed by poison, and his body is seen naked in a chair as his enemies mock him. There are occasional mild sex references, including in a sequence in which men's comments suggest threatening intent towards a woman. There is use of mild bad language ('ass') and milder terms including 'God', 'hell', and 'damn'. Occasional reference is made to the hallucinogenic properties of a fictional substance. The UK and the US have often varied in which aspects (language, gore, nudity, implied actions etc) are used for rating films. William Castle's horror films were designed for kids in the US, but in the UK the BBFC ratings excluded the target audience.

I know Villeneuve did a Herculean job with the date taco and was able to adapt it for the big screen, but I still feel F Herbert's source material would do better for an HBO series but RATED R and it would be wonderful. I imagine that the Bene Gesserit series will be able to do something similar to what Tony Gilroy could play in Andor

Dune was supposed to be R rated but it couldn't cause it was gonna cause problems at the box office that's why they made it PG-13 but but Part 2 is a possibility that it will be R rated

i doubt it, but here's to hoping

Can you talk about how could they handle the time jump in the book? Im really curious about your thoughts on that

I want to see it as an R rated. Make it how I vision it while reading it.

I have read and re read almost all of the Dune books to date and I cannot recall or find a character called Lieutenant Lamville. Could this be another of Villeneuve's 'changes'? I'd be grateful if anyone could tell me where in the books there is a fight between Beast Glossu Rabban Harkonnen and the Lanville character, thank you.

Spoiler: Pauls first son Leto II the elder is killed by the Harkonens in the book. The miniseries had this happen off screen so they will probably do something similar in part 2, but that could bump up the rating.

We need a version of the dune movie with the scene and a version of the whole story for adults

I never got the feeling of the spice orgy being a sexual orgy like one could think either! It never strucked like that.

Good video! It's not about the blood scenes, it's about the "Truth" of the story being told. Zero now-day politics and agendas. I love DUNE! I want DUNE! Complete as you can do, not easy to go from a masterpiece story/books to film. Best efforts are recognized though. Thanks and cheers!

I don't know why/how you would forget it, but in Part-1, _we did see Duncan Idaho _*_take a SWORD into his chest!!_*_ ...And it wasn't a slash, it was a _*_DEEP THRUST: AT LEAST A FULL THIRD_*_ of the blade went _*_INTO_*_ him!!_ _....Otherwise, this video, like all the others, was _*_excellent_*_ and a _*_much-appreciated_*_ treat!_

Im really hoping its a 15 rating, so we get some nice violent scenes as the second part of the book is quite bloody in my imagination. Can't wait and the hype train is beginning........ Cheers Rali bro.💯👊🏾

I hope they make all the books into movies

I actually think Villeneuve should have a mini-sex scene with Chalamet and Zendaya. Imagine how many more normie people would come to watch the movie because of that

absolutely need to see the deleted scenes

You never know. Blade Runner 2049 was rated R.

When violence is sanitised to the extent that it was in part one it becomes unrealistic and silly. They're not meant to be playing pillow fights! It's a violent book and toning the violence down is inappropriate. The Water Of Life scene could also be sanitised for the fact that they're using drugs. Again, that is totally wrong for 'Dune'. The novel was written in the 60s, the drug use is central to the story and Frank Herbert himself was a drug user. If they want to make 'Dune' properly they should make it a 15 cert, and if that means reducing the budget I don't think that would compromise the film.

It’s an adult book telling an adult story and the Film should depict that in all it’s glory and should not be held back by age limits and money but …….I know that’s not going to happen

I will rewrite what I eloquently put in the chat box: ​I need to wait 21 hours????????? ​AAARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I agree that Dune, Part 2 won't be rated R in the USA or 15 in Britain. But one reason for deleted scenes of Dune, Part 1 not being released could well be that there are plans for extended versions of these movies some time after Part 2 has been released on streaming and physical media. If Part 2 and maybe a Dune Messiah movie are great successes, there may be a chance for such extended editions being released which may have an R and 15 rating, respectively. I would welcome such editions of the movie, especially with IMAX aspect ratios.

As long as it's harkonnen blood it's fine.

if they cut it to be PG , they better actually release extended version with the R rating

I’m guessing act 1 of Dune 2 will be about Feyd, sort of like the evil version of Paul

Whatever we get I know it will phenomenal, Denis absolutely crushed it with the fist half

The film MUST include scenes with blood! Moisture is the centermost element in this book/film. If you're going to have battle scenes with knife fighting, there will be lots of throat slashing and abdominal stabbings which will produce blood! And the final knife-fight between Paul and Feyd MUST be bloody! *BOTH MUST BE SLASHED AT LEAST 0NCE! ... IN A KNIFE-FIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET CUT!* Denis Villneuve must RECONSIDER providing us with an EXTENDED/ULTIMATE CUT! *DUNE is NOT JUST A MOVIE ... DUNE IS A LITERARY MASTERPIECE!* *IT DESERVES SPECIAL TREATMENT!*

I noticed that the last of gore didn’t phase me at all when appreciating the production..kinda shows you how unnecessary it can be sometimes and almost shows how talented they are at creating these scenes. Honestly I noticed the minimalism in his work WAY more

When other big film makers like Denis Villeneuve or Christopher Nolan would start to push the production companies behind to their limits or create their projects more like Ridley Scott (one of the greatest producers of all time), we could have movies like Inception, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight etc. at least rated for PG-15 and movies like Blade Runner 2049, Dune etc. as Rated-R. Wouldn't that be awesome? Money always was more important and that's why Dune Part 2 will also be Rated PG-13 and not really bloody. But hey... a Director's Cut would be amazing.

news flash, Dune is R rated... if it isn't its not Dune

so bizzare, you can have a sex change but can't see blood lol

Will it actually make a huge financial difference if it is released as an R? Kindergarten kids come in to school talking about watching SAW!!! Some watch far worse. So yes, they might loose a small number at the box office but download sales would not be hindered. In fact, by raising the controversy in news might actually increase online sales. I like the idea releasing a newer, possibly R rated "directors" version of Part One. Honestly, there needs be a reintroduction of the story to some degree and I would hope that DUNE 2 does NOT waste time recounting Part One. In fact, I've always thought that theaters should play Part One prior to showing the new release of DUNE 2.

Blood, blood. and more blood. Bring it. I'm sooooo excited either way....Fury Will Rise!!!!!!

I want it to be rated whatever it needs to be rated to tell the best story they can. The audience will be there if the story is compelling, and in my opinion, what’s left to tell from Dune is THE most compelling parts.

I want to see it w/the movie cast

It may be difficult to maintain the films integrity over the source material without allowing the rating to jump. However we have top filmmakers involved to im not going to lose too much sleep over these concerns.

I'm still disappointed in the decision to cut out the erotic mudbath scene with Piter and the Barron from the first movie.

We need rated R because that’s what the book calls for

Yep, not nearly violent or nasty enough! Lynch's version was properly nasty, and with it a much greater sense of threat and danger

the water of life isn't a narcotic, but more of a psychedelic or entheogen, no?

The funny thing is that the movie wasn’t even that violent compared to the lord of the rings for example

Do you think they might rerelease Dune 1 in theaters before they release Dune 2 ?

Makes me think why Frank Herbert describe the water of life ceremony as an orgy?

Galactic Core Sanctuary Blessings.

Hopefully they go 15, so what if you need a parent or trusted family member to share it in secret with. I loved football, heard emmit Smith talking about AGS (r rated) my friends and I still talk about it (my dad brought us) this movie is going to miss just like the first one bc it isn't (real enough) to imagine being part of... Sometimes it's better not having a bunch of laughing 13 year olds when you want to be part of something real.

My favorite movie !

"Sci-fi action violence includes lots of fighting, both on the battlefield and one on one, with guns, knives, and other weapons. There are also beheadings and explosions, and characters are stabbed and/or cut open, poisoned, and eaten by worms. A little bit of blood is shown, and characters die." - The official wording behind the PG-13 rating for Dune part 1. What the hell else is required ? Do I have to watch entrails rape and torture for people to consider it worthy of their attention?

Dune 1 should have shown gore, it didn't feel real

It will definitely have sexual content because they've hired an intimacy coordinator for lea seydoux who plays lady fenring and she has a love scene with Austin butler

holy fuck the timothy clip is cut so fucking horribly!

I love philosophical Science Fiction. I would not want Dune to fall in same direction as Game of Thrones; excessive violence, needless carnage and sex for sake of ”Edgy and Dark”. That is NOT the point! But I understand such deep mental topics would fall lost in mind for casual audiences.

I always interpreted Spice orgy has drug denentheogens-psychoactive substances applied in religious or shamanic contexts not sexual

Personally, I can do without extra blood or sex scenes. I think it could take away from the main story, that I think is good enough on its own.

Im not a prude by any shot, but I always prefer movies or shows can the sex scenes; especially in sci-fi fantasy. They rarely add anything

No to more blood.

Even tho lord of the rings is PG-13 The head being chop off and disgusting scenes there is R-rated enough

Just to have blood for effect is not necessary, they can use a faded red or the knife going in but no blood yet and switch to when they are dead, blood on the ground. I don't think seeing blood is that important it's the over all story that gives the auience entertainment. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OVER ALL STORY and having an R rating would ruin it.

Is 15 = R?

This version of Dune should have a rating of "F" for FAIL. It SUCKED. Frank Herbert is spinning in his grave over the butchery to his masterpiece.

Personally I'd like a 18 rated Blue Ray/ DVD extended version made available in early 2024