God damn I laughed at that into

Baldurs gate...aaw yeah

Nostalgia overwhelming.

You must gather your party before venturing forth.

Yes please

I'm just hoping they bring back party in some capacity

Maybe the commander product will have that, where the adventure half is to venture into the dungeon and the creature will somehow have a different ETB effect based on how far you are into the dungeon (maybe it’s +1/+1 counters to represent their adventuring experience, maybe it’s life gain like they’re bringing you provisions, maybe it’s extra scry so you have a better idea of what’s coming up within the dungeon, or maybe it’s a “if you complete a dungeon, copy the last effect” like they are increasing your reward).

They are legal in planeschase >.>.... Idk how you shift planes and remain in the same dungeon but yeah.

I like plainchase too, but it wasnt legal in any other format... dungeons are legal in every format (citation needed)

Well nothing's stopping you from dropping a deck of planeschase and a planar die into a commander game if everyone agrees ;)

@Doom Posterior I ain't heard of em either. Hope it was fun. I have a deck of EVERY planeschase card and use it in commander any chance they will let me xD I also have Bolas Archenemy cards, and been trying to hunt down the rest of the archenemy set... Just really expensive to dig up. Those are fun... Now prepare for, Commander Planeschase Archenemy Vanguard Explorers of Ixalan with Dungeons. Each turn takes an hour.

@Doom Posterior only with my Kenrith deck or my First Sliver deck >.> And ah, makes more sense. You'd think they would learn from that and not make companions but whoops.

didn’t adventures ended up dominating standard for over years or something? if we get anything innkeeper or lucky clover they will for sure see play.

That's a good thing.

@@impendio but Adventures were good in isolation. Brazen Borrower by itself is a good card with no other synergies needed. Lucky clover and Innkeeper just were gravy on top that made them dominating. So far, we have not seen a dungeon card that in isolation is very good.

@@malmasterson3890 agreed, I'd rather have a fun mechanic than a format warping one.

I mean they are a flavour fail in the context of Magic. It's literally just "wink wink, D&D go through teh Dungeon by attacking your opponent". Adventure is broko and Party is shit, but Level Up would have been good to see. The problem with Adventure is it's just absurd card advantage, no one likes playing against it because you feel (quite rightly) that Bonecrusher and Brazen Borrower will just answer anything you have, and get a decent creature to boot.

This reminds me of something Bart would have to write on the chalkboard

@@benhensley3621 It is admittedly, the mother of hindsight built by personally experiencing MTG hype season over and over.

This is a why attitude to have.

its like movies and tv shows.. there isnt enough time in the multiverse to watch all of them. everyone will have their own unique experience.. dabble around and find something that works and focus on being the most effective you can without needing to own every card.

I see it like adventures, if we get a cheap artifact or enchantment that gives you an upside every time you Venture or a top end that makes venture trigger twice, then yeah, for sure these are going to see play, but if Nadeer is the best venture card in the set than, lol… I’m betting on a land that ventures for 4 like Karn’s Bastion and it would be a solid mana sink for control shells and maybe even see play in lands elsewhere.

@@impendio I could imagine some absurdity like a creature with protection from everything as long as you’ve either completed a dungeon or even something similar to what aetherworks marvel was for energy

I run Chains in my Cedh deck and my playgroup always has to take a min to read it like four times each even though they've seen it a bunch of games. Always gives me a chuckle.

My Guess is she's a god, and if powerful enough they can traverse the few different planes of the forgotten realms. I expect we see other DnD gods in this set as planeswalkers.

They needed planeswalkers and they said they chose to use extra planar characters, as in characters that show up on various planes.

They wanted to make some of the really cool ones into Planeswalkers so they felt extra special

Because they wanted the set to have planeswalkers, but they didn't want to connect it to the rest of MtG lore, so they decided to just make some cooler creatures into planeswalkers. (even though DnD already has several canonical planeswalkers, including Mordenkainen, Tasha, and EVERY mind flayer.)

@@sagecolvard9644 you right, and it is early enough in spoilers that I wouldn’t be surprised to see them both in the set, but I think only one of the many plane traveling mages are going to be made a walker. Honestly, only other gods I genuinely think will show up is Tyr or Paelor as the white one.

Maro confirmed precons will not add any dungeons. There will never ever ever be any more dungeons than these three

@@grantpolley never ever is a long time, but appreciate the precon info. ;)

MaRo explicitly confirmed there are just those 3.

This is how Dungeons work in my Zelda set. They have a mechanic (also called venture, go figure) where creatures can tap to add a counter to them, then you can activate an ability and remove counters for some benefit. Representing exploring a place and bringing out treasure or items. I think the downside is the Dungeons feel less like an ordeal, but the upside is there are a lot more you can represent, and some fun interactions with creatures. I didn't think about using DFCs, but it's probably a good idea since people don't like counters on lands.

Oh shit. That makes that plan very bad. I thought it was both players. :(

@@PleasantKenobi pretty sure a large percentage of the internet did as well mate

They have. It's going to be in the set. Just because there are dungeons, it doesn't mean there are not Parties.

@@PleasantKenobi Unfortunately they said on Thursday stream that there are no party related mechanics in this set.

www.twitch.tv/videos/1066493726?t=00h48m56s

@@pytawidmo From what I heard, the dev team for this set got offered the chance to use the party mechanic, and turned it down.

@@PleasantKenobi Hopes Up...

The dungeons are token cards (as indicated by the T right of the number), so the first 19 will probably be normal token cards and emblems

Which makes them kinda like a saga/story you are writing yourself. So I'd say the flavor is on point.

We're NOT going to see any more of these in the Commander decks accompanying AFR, MaRo has explicitly confirmed that these 3 are all that they're making.

@@matthewyoho5422 Wow, what a fuck-up and a bloody waste of a mechanic then. This is Meld all over again.

Well, if you take a step back it's just a triggered ability that's modal and the dungeons are used to reference what effect you get. They're no less interactable than any other creature with an ETB or activated ability etc, and Magic is already filled with a bazillion ways to win the game once you can repeat an effect infinitely. I don't think there's much to be worried about tbh.

@@Hitzel You are completely right, consider my rant to be a critique of the problematic that can be caused by new zones rather than me saying "Venture is defnitely broken".

@@SWAT6809 Ah gotcha, that makes sense. Future exploration in this kind of direction can definitely be problematic.

(Also unsure of what to do with the Dungeon + venture mechanic in my custom Zelda set that's like 4 years in progress, but it was gonna happen sooner or later)

Mechanics don't need to have room to expand. It's a myth. "Parasitic design" is the buzz word your looking for. People keep saying it, but no one seems to be able to explain what the problem is. Instead of adding more Dungeons, they could instead have a variant of this, like assembling contraptions. That was they don't risk breaking these wide open sometime in the future by accident.

@@PleasantKenobi So do you think the variants would have the same type, "Dungeon?" Idk I know it doesn't really matter, I just think it would be cool to have a bunch of different dungeons for flavor reasons. That's really all that bothers me tbh.

For sure*

It was basically used to recur seals for example, not the wild LED play patterns in legacy. I get it, lotus Lurrus lotus. Strong, but you d it didn't get 90% storm, but fair decks. The fact that now no one plays it says it all. 3 extra mana is not much to combo out with it, while for fair decks it is indeed

I dont want to come across as too harsh here, but your statement comes across a little arrogant. I am interested though, how wpuld you improve it?

@@PleasantKenobi To be fair, fun and flavorful is my opinion, but I can see how that statement would read. I pondered on either tying progression to the party mechanic/composition (When X type of creature enters the battlefield, advance to the next chamber) and/or having them be a subset of sagas which would allow for some form of interaction. If I was designing these things, and I knew I was only getting 3 (Personally, I think they could've done at least double that, if not more), I'd likely do the Demonweb Pits (With Elf and Spider anthem paths) which ties to old school D&D stuff and Lolth, Castle Ravenloft (Undead support with a side path to snag/create a Sword or like, board wipe black cards or something) since Curse of Strahd is the most popular 5e module, and I unno, Crenshenibon the Crystal Shard or something (Blue effects centering around mind control) for that distinctly Forgotten Realms dungeon and then you set it up so that progression not only produces different effects, but leads to nicer rewards, and successful completion also like produces a treasure every turn (Because you should get some loot for completing a dungeon) or it makes an emblem that produces a unique thematic effect for the dungeon's successful finish. I also would've been interested in dungeons as curses that inflict conditions on your opponent and how they built their deck affects how they progress through, with them receiving a reward at the end for successfully completing the dungeon you've imposed on them. Now granted, these could be set in a way to be broken, but I think if the cards actually took up deck space and/or could be interacted with, that would balance that a bit. As it is, I feel like they played it too safe with the design on this one.

These will be oversized cards which will be in EVERY single prerelease kit, if i recall correctly

@@gabrieljalbert6026 Three foil double-sided Dungeon cards in the Prerelease Pack, the Bundle Box gets the three oversized cards...

They are token cards, so I think it would be fine to just print them yourself. Or print them on a playmat if you want.

@@robinp40 tbh we should all just proxy secret lairs

Three _that have been revealed so far._ Note also there three shown here had Red, Green, and Black colors in them, respectively. It seems unlikely there wouldn't be White and Blue colored dungeons, to complete the color pie.

Why? Triggering it three times to get the effects doesn't seem easy, and taking the "shortcut" costs a lor

Nope, you can go back into the same dungeon an infinite number of times per game of Magic, if your deck can generate infinite venture triggers - the only upper bounds is the number of "different" dungeons you can complete (because there's only these 3).

We're barely into spoiler season, my guess is that we will.

@@Eric_The_Cleric Unfortunately they announced alongside the mechanic announcement that these will be the only 3 dungeons at least from this set, and you will have all 3 dungeons available at all times. the all 3 kinda cuts off opportunity for it- but there's no doubt we'll see some strahd characters and maybe a Barovia land or something.

@@TheTunaSaladin well then that's a bit of BS ngl. Beggars can't be choosers though, I guess. I'm just excited to see how the dungeons we are getting play ngl. Theyre flavorful and seem pretty fun, even if there are only three max.

@@Eric_The_Cleric Oh hard agree, insanely hyped for the dungeons, just unfortunate- maybe in dndset 2: this time it's personal

@@TheTunaSaladin *looks at DnD set pt. 2 electric boogaloo* this is getting out of hand, now there are two of them! Joking aside, though, I think I am going to design myself up a few dungeons to play alongside decks for full flavor value. Maybe I'll be able to just outright create a full dungeon delving deck for the memes and have plenty of dungeons to choose from. Of course they're not going to be allowed in constructed competitive play, but 1. I don't think dungeons are meant for that and 2. the mechanic is too flavorful not to have that kind of fun with. More official dungeons would totally be dope.

It's literally just a saga emblem. We've always had complicated mechanics that are super confusing. The phasing & banding of yesteryears to the mutate & companions of today.

Sounds like a Modern Horizons 3 card.