A -9 AC in 1st edition is the equivalent of an AC of 29 in 5th edition.

"Shout out to Demogorgon" lmao you're ganna get us all killed 😂🤣😂

Shoutout to Demogorgon!

You guys should switch roles more often, this was a cool change of pace. Shoutout to Demogorgon 🤘

The shoutout to Demogorgon that ends all shoutouts to Demogorgon.

Give Demogorgon this tag: Psychobabble: When Demogorgon reduces a creature to 0 HP, each creature that can hear the demogorgon must make a DC (let's go 19) Wisdom saving throw or take 3d8 psychic damage as the two heads argue whether to kill the creature immediately Stats for gods can be fun ;) Love the video guys!

Omg it's finally here Demogorgon Edit: wow 100 episodes that's crazy. Congrats guys. I love the show. You guys are great

Shoutout to Demogorgon! And shoutout to you guys! Congrats on your 100th episode!!! After listening to your podcast on my way to and from work for a few weeks you two have inspired me to DM a game of D&D for a group of friends in their first ever campaign of D&D. Your fun and candid content was the first thing I refered the group to in order to get a good grasp on game basics, lore, and flavor in preparation for our own play through of the game.

Nice episode as always... When it comes to 1st/2nd Ed AC you seemed to imply you had to roll low to hit a low (eg -8) AC... The player still would want to roll a high number, back then you had a parameter called THAC0 - To Hit AC 0 - which would start at 20 for a 1st level character, that is one would have to to score a 20 (after adjustment) to hit an AC of 0... The same character would need to roll a 10 to hit a AC of 10 - the natural AC of an unarmored PC w/o bonuses - and would need a +10 to hit mod and roll a 20 to hit an AC -10 which was the supposed lowest... THAC0 would reduce with lvl increase, a fighter every lvl - a 20th lvl fighter has a THAC0 of 1 - whereas a wizard 1 every 3 or 4 lvls....

Next Episode, Brian has an extra head like Demogorgon

HELL YEAH!!! HAIL HAIL!! demogorgon!!! 1:20 what do you know ? You know nothing will snow.

if it was 15", that translate to 150 feet indoors or 150 yards outdoors. the " was confusing when one first started playing AD&D aka 1st edition. If " was used indoors then that number referred to increments of 10 feet and if used outdoors, then it was increments of 10 yards,

Hey Brian and Will happy 100th episode!

Shoutout to Demogorgon

My boi, the official demon lord of the podcast

Shoutout to Demogorgon

Dragon Magazine was great in a few aspects. Articles and gaming news, new spells and gear, free small adventure ideas. I am pretty surprised to hear Dragon Magazine, but to also not see one single comment Dragon Magazine. I would say Dragon Magazine is the equavalent to buying DLC for games, you buy a magazine and it was garrantee to have information for adventures to be used. It was before the Internet so just imagine the difficulty and expense of those books and magazines those days, and and you had to learn on your own research what new books there was, without finding them on the internet. Dragon Magazine was also like a search engine for books, novels, appendixes, and so forth. Yup, pretty much like Google.

200 hp in first edition was huge. A warrior had d8 hp per level. So if you rolled 8 every level you could reach 200 hp at level 25. Clerics had d6 per level, rogues and mages had d4.

Well technically he didn't kill him on his own. He was basically used as an arcane/psionic/divine focus for the entire city of Menzoberranzan so they could magically nuke Demogorgon. It made him go insane though. Shoutout to Demogorgon! Also congrats on the 100th episode.

That probably wasn't fifteen feet of movement speed. That was probably fifteen *inches* of movement speed, since first edition still moved like previous wargames. That would mean that per turn, Demogorgon could move over a foot of real actual table space across the board, and that would be absolutely ridiculously quick. I always thought it was pronounced demo- as in demolition, gorgon. Tripped me up hearing your pronunciation this whole 'cast. EDIT: First edition rogues had to roll percentile any time they wanted to do a rogue skill. Their chance to succeed increased as they gained levels. Both of Demogorgon's heads would get 150 power points to use psionically, since he's got two brains he's got two pools of psychic power. Oof. Second Edit: Nethack is one of the first roguelike games, it is not linear at all. You should give that game a go. It's ridiculously fun and will eat your life like Minecraft. Third Edit: The thing I love about the demon manta rays is that in 3.5e, they were also commonly found as vampires as well. I don't even know how that works!

It’s only fitting that the Demogorgon episode is episode 100

It takes away 95% of your dmg away from all spells on him or anything you cast on his is reduced by 95% or at least that's how my older brother used to run it.

I’ve just gotten into this pod and you two are the best! I just started a planescape campaign and your pod has taught me a lot about the planes! Shout out to demogorgon!

Congrats on 100 episodes. Been years and I am phone typing this but let me give it a shot: AC -9 In the first and second edition armor class descended so unarmored is AC 10 but if you wore plate you have AC 2. And Demigorgon is -9. Yes that is really hard to hit. Hit points - yes over 200 is big but not too big. PCs stopped getting hit point dice at level 9 and then typically got 2/level after that. (So your fighter is at dice max 90 + con bonus at level 9). So we used lots of healing and healing potions and looked for the regeneration rings under every rock when you are looking at taking down 200 points and -9 ac demon. Far from an impossible enemy but a serous threat. Magic Resistance MR was for everyone to learn at first but if you had to fight Drow you learned it really quick. And it was different in 1 and 2 e by just a bit. Keeping it short (without going into rules too much), MR makes your spell as it is being cast fizzle/fail on the target. Now in some readings and materials, the more powerful you are casting a spell (higher your level) the less the target can resist negating the spell on them. So a mage at high level may still get the spell off but a lower level mage has greater chance of the spell fizzling. It was a crazy complex thing to run but it is a nice long topic that has been lost to 5e and no one is unhappy to see it go - except Evil Drow...and demons..and you get it. Magic the Gathering and D&D They have a troubled history beyond the players and the creators. I recommend you do a podcast on it and how the two games and their companies TSR and WotC interacted from the very beginning and how they affected each other. Really interesting stuff.

Congrats to you guys on the 100th episode👍🏼👍🏼💯

Great episode guys

AC -8 is numerically equal to an AC of 28 on 5th edition. Because it was harder to get bonuses to hit, it is probably closer in "feel" to an AC of 30-32 unless you were fighter type class, in which case it was actually pretty easy to hit (1st edition basically had the attack progression in 3.x, just presented differently). The hard cap in 1st ed was AC -10 so he was ALMOST max. It would be much higher in 3.X because of all the ways to get modifiers in that edition, probably closer to 40-50 or something. 15 inch (not feet) movement is listed because the game was originally played with miniatures. A normal human could move 6 inches, so the 5th ed equivalent is 75 feet. To this day, a 1 inch square is equal to 5 feet of movement - it still goes back to 1st edition that way. 200 HP is a LOT for 1st edition. Dragons in 1st ed did not have that many HP, usually ending in the 90-100 range. Fighters at 20th level topped out at under 90hp (depending on stats) and wizards at 20 level topped out at roughly 35-45 if they rolled VERY well. A 5th ed translation would probably be closer to 450-500 HP. 95% magic resistance is the chance for it to nullify an effect from a 9th level caster. For every caster level lower than 9, it was 5% better (so 8th level casters always bounced) and it was 5% worse for each caster higher than 9th (so a 28th level caster had no chance to fail - yes, you could get that high in level). You might recognize this as the exact formula used in 3.X (just presented differently). In 3.X, that is an SR of 29 but in 1st edition you had no way to raise caster level (no items, no spell penetration, no bonuses to caster level from feats or class features...just raw caster level) so would actually be harder to punch through. SR 30-35 would likely be a closer equivalent. +2 special defenses - back in the day, you needed to have a magic weapon of a certain plus bonus to even affect it. In 3.x terms he basically had Magic +2\- against weapon attacks. So, if you had a normal or a +1 weapon it dealt no damage at all, no matter how hard you hit it. A +2 weapon would bypass it, no matter how lightly you hit it. Sorry for the necro, it was just interesting to me. Also, shout out to NetHack!!!

Demogorgon's consort is Malcanthet demon queen of succubi

Demogorgon wants to kill everything, and if anyone else his dead, his heads would kill each other. That's how Mordenkainen describes him.

Congratulations on your 100th episode.

Friend of the pod Demogorgon

Your 1st edition knowledge is pretty spot on. 👍👍

I think the kids from Stranger Things played BECMI's expert rules. If I remember correctly in early season 1 Will's mom buys him the expert Set which was new in 83 which was the time setting of the first season.

24:25 to skip the short rest

I've always pronounced it Demm-owe-gore-gun Hearing the long in the beginning always sounds strange to me

Shoutout to Demogorgon I couldn’t help it

I know this is 5 years late, but a round was 60s in 2e and 6s in 5e. Magic resistance worked differently between 1e and 2e, but I'm pretty sure he had 95% in 2e which means he was resisted any spell unless you rolled 96-100. There was a spell "lower resistance" that could reduce that, but honestly, if you were facing something like demogorgon, you better not be counting on beating it with spells.

While the lower ac being better is correct, you would not need to roll a 1. In fact, you want to roll high to hit still, but the number you need to hit is based off attacker level and the ac of the attacked enemy. For percentile you would roll that for picking doors, pickpocketing, spell shock survival, resurrection survival, and I am sure I am forgetting something. DM uses d100 (2d10 one for tens one for ones place) whenever they need to do fumbles, criticals or other misc charts. It all depends on what books you draw from at the table, at the end of the day. Great content guys.

Shoutout to Demogorgon! The most hp even Greater Gods had in 1st edition AD&D was 400. Best AC was -10. Demogorgon and demon lords like Orcus, Lolth, etc had Lesser God status.

I am playing Ad&d and in order to hit someone with -8AC you have to take a look on your THAC0 (To Hit Armor Class 0) For example. A fighter is 10th level and has a THAC0 of 11. In order to hit a monster with - 8AC the fighter needs to roll a 19 or higher (11 + 8). So you need to roll HIGH and not LOW.

in 1st edition all dice were used. It was less a d20 system than a d-everything system.

I have to correct you on the -8 AC in todays 5E it would = AC 28 , in old 1st edition the higher the AC the lower the number , but you still needed to roll high to hit AC - 8 . Remember THAC0 . That term was created in 2nd Edition. But used the same to hit table as 1st edition.

Yes I play 1e and 2e d&d and it is a percentage roll for magic resistance and yes 200hp is really good

Shout out to demogorgon

Stranger Things characters are playing AD&D 1st Edition. Their Demogorgon is from the original Mobster Manual. The Eldritch Wizardry is a supplement from OD&D edition [O for Original]. This is three pamphlets turning ChainMail tabletop war game into the birth of RPG in 1974.

I’m showing my age here having played primarily with advanced D&D 1st edition. BUT In 1st addition rules to hit a negative AC(-8) you would have to roll something like a 20 plus 9- I no longer have my 1st edition dungeon master screen but you’d have to still roll high but you are correct in that the lower the armor class was the harder they were to hit. Anyway great Channel!

Shoutout to another 100

Shoutout to demigorgon!!!!!

Gygax loved percentile dice for wandering monster charts.

No Angels do not die in their home plane. They do die everywhere else.

Now that we have The Forgotten Realms MTG Series I'm sure there's a Demo card now but I'd have to look it up

Shout out to Demogorgon!!!!!

Oh, woof. That description of how to hit an AC -8 was rough for me to hear. Guess they never had to calculate THAC0.

With psionics you had points and you could use attacks or defenses and you could spend them on abilities it was also an optional rule and it wasn’t abilities you spent points to use special magical skills

Yes on magic resistance Not quite on THAC0. You still want to roll high.

Watching this today and it's so funny to hear about Ravniva coming to d&d after adventures in forgotten realms set for mtg

The abyss is basically 'the cube' but with demons instead of shitty traps you're not supposed to beat.

Okay, the example of combat in AD&D if off. Ärmour Class is better the lower it is and To Hit rolls need to be above the To Hit number for your class against the targets AC. The AC for Unarmored player races is 10. Armour lowers AC with less p lowest being negative ten. Plate Mail and Shield is 2, Leather is 9. The minimum To Hit is listed in a chart

I need this Driz'zt episode! I got the feeling we agree on a lot there.

Thieves abilities were all based on percentile dice rolls. Also even though a lower armor class was better you still wanted a high attack roll at least in 2nd edition advanced dungeons and dragons. can't recall the mechanics. but a natural 20 was a critical hit

In first edition, 95% magic resistance meant if he didn't make the saving throw then he would resist 95% of the damage rolled.

Last night, my players in Out of the Abyss just experienced some of Demogorgon's glory. They were scared as shit and haven't stopped talking about it.

Rule of 3 for comedy!!!

Episode 100!!!!!!!!!

Ep: 100 Of Course. YES!!!

Dagon comes from Babylonian mythology, originally

take a shot everytime you hear demogorgon

Wasn't movement in first and second movement stored in yards?

I thought of the upsidedown more like the shadow fey, a dark and drab mirror of oir world

Thought you already did him. I am now confused.

Are you sure the movement isn't 15 inches? OD&D was based on tactical games (war games where you measure instead of being on a grid). I think regular movement was 30 feet, or 6 inches

Igwilv is one of Tasha’s aliases

Shoutout to Demogorgon and all but I'm still looking forward to them doing Fraz-urb’luu

Shiny Demogorgon.😆😆

I think a D&D themed MTG block could work. Just like how D&D has multiple settings, or spheres in the case of spell-jammer, MTG visits a different plane of it's multiverse with each block. Now that a plane from MTG is becoming canon in D&D I don't see why it couldn't happen the other way around. They could use magic items as artifacts, obviously the monster manual could be configured into creature cards, and different spells could become sorcereys and instants. They'd never be able to start calling MTG the "D&D trading card game" without a huge outcry though, MTG just has too much deep seeded lore of it's own and I think the community would resent it

D & Mogorgon

Damn skippy demogorgon

Great video guys but Brian.. Why did you use an old stat block for Demogorgon? His 5th edition stat block is in Out of the Abyss and Mordenkainens. It would've been much easier for you guys and viewers to use the 5e stats.

I think it's 2e they're playing in stranger things, Ive never seen the show but I think it's about the right point in the timeline.. Anyone know for sure? Just weirdly curious

Skip to minute 28, it's where they start talking about Demogorgon

did we have to roll low in prebious editions? Im confused.

Where can I find that Rozvanki character? i’ve been looking it for an hour and couln’d find it

Orcus? Graz'zt? C'mon, you got to talk about these bad boys in detail before too long, if you haven't already.

Shout-out to demagorgon

There are Stranger Things than Demogorgon :)

But what's he aboutttt orcus is undead nihilist, grazzt is pleasure boy, frazzrbluu is a crazy deceiver, what is demagorgon about?

#Demogorgon

Actually you'd have to get a 96% or better

movement speed of 15 means 150

I would feel pretty great about a demogorgon card. It really wouldn't be that terribly big for mtg

Typhoon is demongoron

Do *HELM*

Demo-gorgon, not Deemo-gorgon. Yeesh this gave me an aneurysm.

In 2e, you would roll percentile dice for a bunch of stuff, but most commonly for saving throws. After that, things became more d20 focused, to the point where now nearly everything is rolled on the d20 except damage and hp.

Was I the only one irked by how they pronounced the Demogorgan? I've always heard it as Deh•Mu•Gore•Gun not •Di•Mo•Gore•Gun

You didn't know Dragon magazine was a thing, and yet you have a d&d podcast. Fucking... whaaat??!

Love you guys, but your explanation of Attack rolls and AC in Basic, 1st, and 2nd ed is off: to hit an Armor Class the higher the To-Hit roll the better, even if Armor Classes get better the lower they go. The only time in 2nd ed you want to roll low on a d20 is when you are making Proficiency checks. Yeah, it was counterintuitive, which is why they changed it in 3rd ed to what we have now. Magic Resistance is a % roll, and you got that right. 95 or less, the spell just doesn't work on Demogorgon.

Does demogg have anything to do with gorgons in the traditional (I guess Greek) myth? Was it misspelled and possibly referencing a demagogue? This guy is like a hot mess of confusion...on purpose?

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Christian and pagen culture has akways been blending. You'd be surprised how much of Christianity is taken from classical philosophy.